Do you believe in aliens?

[Everylyric]

Do you believe that there are aliens who are more advanced than us?

Or do you not even believe in aliens at all?

[vyo476]

More advanced? Who knows.

Aliens at all? I believe they exist because of a little something called the Drake Equation, which basically says that chances are really, really, really slim that Earth is the only planet in the entire universe that can support life.

Of course, there is that tiny possibility that we really are unique. Better or worse? Who knows?

[Grounded]

More advanced? Who knows.

Aliens at all? I believe they exist because of a little something called the Drake Equation, which basically says that chances are really, really, really slim that Earth is the only planet in the entire universe that can support life.

Of course, there is that tiny possibility that we really are unique. Better or worse? Who knows?

That's pretty close to what I believe.

I don't know if the aliens are more advanecd than us, but I do believe that they exist.

I don't think we're that unique in the universe to be the only living thing.

[Dave]

Yeah, I'd say I do believe in alien life. Its a pretty arrogant attitude to think that we are the best thing in all of creation.

[9sublime]

I think that alien life has to be out there, even if it is in a form we hardly recognize. Personally I think if you don't think there is a chance of it then you are really arrogant and brainwashed.

[n0spam4me]

Do you mean the
ILLEGAL ALIENS?

or possibly the Aliens who have the high powered lazers that distroyed the WTC towers?

to quote Rummy ... "WHO KNOWS"

Question
EVERYTHING!
.

[Fonz]

Life out there, whether its intelligent or not, is pretty much a certainty. However I do not beileve in UFO's or little green men. Or any of that nonsense. Given the size and scope of the universe, the odds of any other lifeform finding another lifeform are astronomical, especially when you factor in the idea of time.

[The_Giver]

The closest I can come to a religion is the belief that this world is a computer simulation and we are the creation of some "higher being". In a sense then aliens would exist and they would of course be more "advanced" than us.

[Sgt Schultz]

I believe that it's entirely possible that there is life elsewhere in the universe.

[zerorelations]

Do you mean the
ILLEGAL ALIENS?

or possibly the Aliens who have the high powered lazers that distroyed the WTC towers?

to quote Rummy ... "WHO KNOWS"

Question
EVERYTHING!
.

LOL. :p

n0spam4me is too funny.

[PLC1]

The aliens are out there, I tell you, I saw them on the news just tonight!

They were marching and demanding immigration reform (read amnesty for illegals), and carrying flags around.

Seriously, are we alone? Why in the world would this little planet on the edge of a minor galaxy be the only one with intelligent life? There are billions of galaxies, after all, and billions of stars in each one.

Will we ever make contact with an alien civilization? Doubtful, given the enormous distances involved. Do we really want to anyway? Just look at what happened to the civilizations in the new world after the aliens arrived from Europe.

[vyo476]

Will we ever make contact with an alien civilization? Doubtful, given the enormous distances involved. Do we really want to anyway? Just look at what happened to the civilizations in the new world after the aliens arrived from Europe.

I think that someday it'll be more feasible, but then again I've been reading science fiction for my whole life. I just can't imagine that we won't ever figure out a way to travel faster than light without all those nasty relativistic consequences.

[PLC1]

I think that someday it'll be more feasible, but then again I've been reading science fiction for my whole life. I just can't imagine that we won't ever figure out a way to travel faster than light without all those nasty relativistic consequences.

Perhaps. Humans have, after all only experienced three of the many dimensions of the universe. There is a whole lot we don't understand.

[Dave]

Actually, I think we're pretty close to deep space travel. Scientists have had a lot of success reducing the effects of gravity using north/north or south/south magnets. In theory, if you get rid of 100% of the effects of gravity you can go faster than the speed of light with very little energy being used.

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Some say that Aliens are actually Demons.

[vyo476]

Some say that Aliens are actually Demons.

Uh huh.

Some people juggle geese too. What's your point?

[vyo476]

Actually, I think we're pretty close to deep space travel. Scientists have had a lot of success reducing the effects of gravity using north/north or south/south magnets. In theory, if you get rid of 100% of the effects of gravity you can go faster than the speed of light with very little energy being used.

Once again we're treading on something I know very little about. Still, I was always given to understand that the problem isn't really getting up to the speed of light (which is theoretically possible) but the relativistic side-effects of doing so. In that regard I don't believe we've made any progress.

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Uh huh.

Some people juggle geese too. What's your point?

Once again we're treading on something I know very little about. Still, I was always given to understand that the problem isn't really getting up to the speed of light (which is theoretically possible) but the relativistic side-effects of doing so. In that regard I don't believe we've made any progress.

The point is no one knows what aliens really are.

Hope the geese don't get dizzy.

[vyo476]

The point is no one knows what aliens really are.

Hope the geese don't get dizzy.

Don't worry about the geese. They'll be fine.

As far as our understanding goes, "aliens" are quite simply any organism not native to Earth. I understand that you aren't necessarily saying that the whole demon thing is your perspective on it, but still. This came out of left field and I'm still left wondering why you felt compelled to post the idea.

Do you believe in aliens?

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Don't worry about the geese. They'll be fine.

As far as our understanding goes, "aliens" are quite simply any organism not native to Earth. I understand that you aren't necessarily saying that the whole demon thing is your perspective on it, but still. This came out of left field and I'm still left wondering why you felt compelled to post the idea.

Do you believe in aliens?

I haven't decided yet. If you have proof, I'd like see it.

[vyo476]

I haven't decided yet. If you have proof, I'd like see it.

No, no proof. If there was proof I wouldn't be asking if you "believed" in aliens but rather if you'd heard that they really exist. Belief in this regard has to do with whether or not you "believe" (once again absent any actual proof) that it is possible that Earth, one tiny little planet in an enormous universe, is the only place where life can be found.

[KeepOurFreedoms]

No, no proof. If there was proof I wouldn't be asking if you "believed" in aliens but rather if you'd heard that they really exist. Belief in this regard has to do with whether or not you "believe" (once again absent any actual proof) that it is possible that Earth, one tiny little planet in an enormous universe, is the only place where life can be found.

Of course, anything is possible. Maybe there will be a load of them on that 10th planet that is coming near.

[vyo476]

Of course, anything is possible. Maybe there will be a load of them on that 10th planet that is coming near.

Wouldn't it be "9th" now? In light of Pluto's demotion, that is.

Besides, the "Planet X" theory was discounted years ago.

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Wouldn't it be "9th" now? In light of Pluto's demotion, that is.

Besides, the "Planet X" theory was discounted years ago.

In my eyes, Pluto will always be a planet.

I haven't heard that it has been discounted. Let's wait until it gets here and see.

[vyo476]

In my eyes, Pluto will always be a planet.

I haven't heard that it has been discounted. Let's wait until it gets here and see.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

There's a section on Planet X there. Don't be fooled by the subtitles and all that - scroll down to the bottom of the Planet X page and they discredit every bit of evidence ever presented for the existence of Planet X.

Actually, if you're paranoid that's a pretty good site to keep in your bookmarks anyway.

[Dave]

In my eyes, Pluto will always be a planet.

I haven't heard that it has been discounted. Let's wait until it gets here and see.

I hope you aren't one of those that still listens to Nancy Lieder. I'll be the first to jump onboard with 90% of the ufo/alien conspiracy stories out there, but this lady is just a psycho.

[Rokerijdude11]

nice treatment of a new member !! and a Girl at that !!!you all cry we want girls here, then you attack them when they come? dosent make sense?

[KeepOurFreedoms]

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

There's a section on Planet X there. Don't be fooled by the subtitles and all that - scroll down to the bottom of the Planet X page and they discredit every bit of evidence ever presented for the existence of Planet X.

Actually, if you're paranoid that's a pretty good site to keep in your bookmarks anyway.

I'm not paranoid, thank you. Thanks for the site.

[KeepOurFreedoms]

I hope you aren't one of those that still listens to Nancy Lieder. I'll be the first to jump onboard with 90% of the ufo/alien conspiracy stories out there, but this lady is just a psycho.

Never heard of Nancy. Tell me more.

[Dave]

Never heard of Nancy. Tell me more.

She was one of the main people behind the idea that Planet X was going to pass by Earth in 2003 and cause cataclysmic events. She says she got this information from an alien race from Zeta Reticuli. She claims the "Zetas" communicate telepathically with her, and she even does interviews in which they talk through her. In short, she put her entire reputation on the line saying that Planet X was going to pass by Earth in 2003, and even went as far to say that if it didn't happen then she would have no reason to expect anyone to believe a word she said ever again. Of course, when it didn't happen, she started making excuses, and even claims that people have taken pictures of Planet X without actually knowing it. She runs the website http://www.zetatalk.com. I would urge you to check her site out and make up your own mind about her, but my personal view is that there really is nothing behind her claims.

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Thanks. I'll check it out.

[vyo476]

I'm not paranoid, thank you. Thanks for the site.

I was not attempting to imply that you were. I am sorry if I offended you.

[r0beph]

I guess a better question would be, do you believe in exoplanetary life (though the possibility that life exists in some form on mars, microbiological I'd assume, I don't think that was the idea of this thread) and I do believe it is very likely. What form does it have, what advancements over us has it achieved? Who knows. It's a fun discussion but debating it to any extent would be as educational or enlightening as beating each other over the head with those foam stress bats from the 90s.

Someone mentioned multi-dimensionality, here's a link for ya. One of the newer ideas in dimensional physics is the 6 dimension theory. Where we have XYZ as the spatial dimensions, and Space-time and two time like dimensions. This is currently one of the more likely theories. http://www.physorg.com/news96027669.html
Not really sure if that's really relevant to anything space-travel anytime in the near future, but I suspect we won't go FTL in my lifetime.

Let me avoid threadjacking by submitting this for you're viewing pleasure. It may increase your faith in the likelihood of exoplanetary life. Earthlike exoplanet discovered. (http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2311&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0)

enjoy.

robf

[Coyote]

As a long time sci fi fan, I find the possibilities of alternate dimensions fascinating...unfortunately I lack the mathmatical sense to fully understand it.

[r0beph]

As a long time sci fi fan, I find the possibilities of alternate dimensions fascinating...unfortunately I lack the mathmatical sense to fully understand it.

They're not as exciting as sci-fi would say. It's not like altered reality, but rather part of reality. I doubt there's truly any likelihood of xenodimensional life or such. Basically it's like say ya got a big building. You could live your whole life in an apartment there and never have to know of the steal beams that hold it up, or the insulation that keeps the heat in, it's just there. That's like those other dimensions, they're not directly observable, but once we determine which theory is right and get this stuff unified and all wrapped up, we'll know bout the girders and insulation that hold reality together, or apart as it may be.

Coyote ya may wanna check out the book Warped Passages: Unraveling the Mysteries of the Universe's Hidden Dimensions by Lisa Randall, a very good layperson book about multidimensions. It's not the 2T dimension of the article but just the same it gives insight, and once reading it, the stuff may make more sense in other theories. (if nothing else, she's hot for a physicist)
http://img.timeinc.net/time/time100/2007/images/lisa_randall.jpg

[Coyote]

Thanks rObeph - I'll check it out! :)

[r0beph]

Thanks rObeph - I'll check it out! :)

no prob, I like to think of that book as Brane Theory for Dummies. Good times.

[invest07]

Fonz, it may be pretty much a certainty to you but why no concrete proof?
The more we investigate into the rules of the universes, the rarer life seems to become. The specific conditions present on earth are highly specialized to support the maximum variety of life. The gravity is ideal. The magnetic field deflects UV light which is fatal to life in sufficient quantities. The mix of sea area to dry land has been demonstrated to be ideal. The distance from the sun and sun's output are ideal. The axis tilt and rotation create day/night and seasons. The atmosphere is a perfect mix and just the right thickness and density.
I could go on an name at least 50 other conditions that our earth provides that are ideal for life.
I don't think there is any level of certainty that life exists outside earth.
Arrogant? I don't think so because our conditions are too ideal to be present elsewhere.

[Dave]

Fonz, it may be pretty much a certainty to you but why no concrete proof?
The more we investigate into the rules of the universes, the rarer life seems to become. The specific conditions present on earth are highly specialized to support the maximum variety of life. The gravity is ideal. The magnetic field deflects UV light which is fatal to life in sufficient quantities. The mix of sea area to dry land has been demonstrated to be ideal. The distance from the sun and sun's output are ideal. The axis tilt and rotation create day/night and seasons. The atmosphere is a perfect mix and just the right thickness and density.
I could go on an name at least 50 other conditions that our earth provides that are ideal for life.
I don't think there is any level of certainty that life exists outside earth.
Arrogant? I don't think so because our conditions are too ideal to be present elsewhere.

Why would you assume that other life would need the same things we need here on this planet? Maybe life on this planet needs these things because life on this planet evolved to fit its surroundings. For all we know, life on other planets could evolve to breathe methane and live in conditions much colder than we have here.

[invest07]

Dave
I don't assume that life on another planet must resemble life on earth. But life, whether based on carbon or silicon or even a metal, must still be highly complex. One of the simplest living organisms on Earth is EColi. It has 4,000,000 base pairs in its DNA and requires 1,000 enzymes to function. By comparison, humans and most of the higher mammals have 3 billion base pairs in the DNA. So whether life is carbon, silicon or metallic based, it must be highly complex. Even the "simplest" life form is far more complex than our most complex machines.
Life on Earth exists in an oxygen/nitrogen atmosphere that is precisely the correct mix for life to flourish. If life on another planet breathed methane, it would be subject to similar requirements. The temp would have to be within a certain range, the atmosphere would have to have a certain depth and composition, the planet's gravity would need to fall within a range of tolerance for that life, etc, etc, etc.
We have requirements for life on this planet that are quite precise. If there is life with a different basis on another planet, it would also require quite precise conditions.
It is my opinion that life on other planets is most likely quite rare and may very well be non-existent. The conditions necessary to support any life on any planet life must be incredibly precise and there are many requirements for any life. The probabilities just don't add up to me.

[Lindsay]

“The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us.”--Bill Watterson

[Fred]

Yes Aliens destroyed the twin towers and aliens control the government they live underground

[Cheshire Cat]

Do you believe that there are aliens who are more advanced than us?

Or do you not even believe in aliens at all?

Read some history. The Sumerian's were the first world culture to establish religion. All other religions evolved from theirs, they worshiped aliens. If you believe in god, you have to believe in aliens.
Not necessarily the other way around though.

[Lindsay]

Read some history. The Sumerian's were the first world culture to establish religion. All other religions evolved from theirs, they worshiped aliens. If you believe in god, you have to believe in aliens.
Not necessarily the other way around though.

That's amazing.

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Read some history. The Sumerian's were the first world culture to establish religion. All other religions evolved from theirs, they worshiped aliens. If you believe in god, you have to believe in aliens.
Not necessarily the other way around though.

Do you have a link to a copy of the Sumerian texts?..in English?

[Abraxis Axis]

nobody believes in aliens?

[Rokerijdude11]

apparently not? we have tried in vain to get this subject moving.........they all are too good to lower themselves academics and all you understand

[Lindsay]

nobody believes in aliens?

I do.

[Abraxis Axis]

you should read the area 51 post then

[Castle]

More advanced? Who knows.

Aliens at all? I believe they exist because of a little something called the Drake Equation, which basically says that chances are really, really, really slim that Earth is the only planet in the entire universe that can support life.

Of course, there is that tiny possibility that we really are unique. Better or worse? Who knows?

Do aliens exist, I can't imagine that logic would conclude anything other than yes. In all the billions of stars in each of the countless galaxies that make up the universe as we understand it, there must be life more advanced and less advanced than we are. You roll the galactic dice enough, you must get the right combination more than once. Heck, in this case, MUCH more than once.

Have we been visited by extraterrestrials? I would consider it a remote possibility but not impossible.

-Castle

[Dave]

I do believe in extraterrestrial life. Its hard for me to not to believe that some form of advanced life has visited earth. I understand that many of the sightings reported can be explained by more terrestrial explanations, but the ones that really get me thinking are the reports filed by pilots, military personell, air traffic controllers, police officers and other people that have been trained to closely observe their surroundings. Of the hundreds of thousands of reports out there, if even one of them is true, then it doesnt matter how many of them are false.

[Rokerijdude11]

So then do you ever entertain the notion that the technological advances we have experienced over the last 25 yrs may in part be due to our ....possible collabaration with E.T beings?

Myself i think it does lend some .....margine of credebility, which makes it worthy of looking at. We have laser technology, we have stealth technology.
Many new things have happened in the last 25 yrs


I do think.....that there are not only ets, but they have visited earth for as long as it has been here. long into the beginnings of recorded history, there have always been reportings, drawings, sketches religions, all centered on et's....

I find it a bit arrogant of any human being to think that they ARE the ONLY superior being....... we are always eveloving and learning.......why is it that there could not be any other intelligent life than us?

[PLC1]

Given the number of planets there must be, it seems highly unlikely that the Earth is the only one with intelligent life, and, if there are civilizations that have been progressing for the past ten thousand years the way we have been for the past hundred, it's quite possible that they could visit us. Would it be a good thing? Review the results of more technologically advanced earthly cultures meeting up with less advanced cultures, and you might be glad they are keeping their distance, if they do exist.

[Dave]

So then do you ever entertain the notion that the technological advances we have experienced over the last 25 yrs may in part be due to our ....possible collabaration with E.T beings?

Myself i think it does lend some .....margine of credebility, which makes it worthy of looking at. We have laser technology, we have stealth technology.
Many new things have happened in the last 25 yrs


I do think.....that there are not only ets, but they have visited earth for as long as it has been here. long into the beginnings of recorded history, there have always been reportings, drawings, sketches religions, all centered on et's....

I find it a bit arrogant of any human being to think that they ARE the ONLY superior being....... we are always eveloving and learning.......why is it that there could not be any other intelligent life than us?

I don't really subscribe to the theories about alien technology being the source of our current tech levels. If any UFOs have been back-engineered, I don't think we've seen the results yet.

[ArmChair General]

Theres no such thing as UFO's or Alien Visitors.

The myth was promulgated by the CIA especially during the Cold War. What better way to spy on other countrys than to make our high tech aircraft look 'alien'. If some hick commie farmer spots the UFO, all he can think of is Aliens. when its really a spy plane.

The same here in the states. If some hick redneck farmer sees a plane in a training flight, all they can think of is UFO. Its a great way to disguise Top Secret programs.

[Dave]

Theres no such thing as UFO's or Alien Visitors.

The myth was promulgated by the CIA especially during the Cold War. What better way to spy on other countrys than to make our high tech aircraft look 'alien'. If some hick commie farmer spots the UFO, all he can think of is Aliens. when its really a spy plane.

The same here in the states. If some hick redneck farmer sees a plane in a training flight, all they can think of is UFO. Its a great way to disguise Top Secret programs.

Thats all fine and good if all you want to talk about is stories that have one or two witnesses that have no knowledge of aviation. How do you explain when hundreds of people see a large, slow moving craft in the sky in Phoenix in 1997? Many eye witnesses were experienced pilots, and said that the craft was moving far too slow for any aircraft to stay in the air by conventional means.

Of course I don't have anything to back this up without giving out names over the internet (which I won't do), but I've personally heard the tales of a retired Air Force Colonel that was pulled out of bed in the middle of the night because the air traffic controllers at the base he was stationed at needed to know what to do about 3 unidentified crafts hovering over the base's nuclear silos. He went up to the control tower, saw the crafts, and saw them dart away just before he could give the order to scramble jets. He was an extremely experienced that flew in several aircrafts when they were in the experimental stages, but he had no idea what these things were.

[ArmChair General]

Thats all fine and good if all you want to talk about is stories that have one or two witnesses that have no knowledge of aviation. How do you explain when hundreds of people see a large, slow moving craft in the sky in Phoenix in 1997? Many eye witnesses were experienced pilots, and said that the craft was moving far too slow for any aircraft to stay in the air by conventional means.

Of course I don't have anything to back this up without giving out names over the internet (which I won't do), but I've personally heard the tales of a retired Air Force Colonel that was pulled out of bed in the middle of the night because the air traffic controllers at the base he was stationed at needed to know what to do about 3 unidentified crafts hovering over the base's nuclear silos. He went up to the control tower, saw the crafts, and saw them dart away just before he could give the order to scramble jets. He was an extremely experienced that flew in several aircrafts when they were in the experimental stages, but he had no idea what these things were.


Well I know people who can attest to personally making aircraft looking "alien" so they could spy on Iran a few years back. You can actually find articles in papers attesting to the fact that the UFO sighting in Iran whent up like a few hundred percent when we were doing it too.

The case your speaking about could be anything. Maybe another countrys spy plains as well.

Seriously, unless I can see some positive proof with my own eyes, and not just something I cant explain, your going to have a hard time convincing me that its anything other than terrestrial aircraft or just some natural phenomenon..like a meteor or something.

Hell it could of been our own aircraft. If we can fool our own people then we sure as hell can fool the Iranians or the Chinese. Not everyone has the same security access to information.

Occams Razor! The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

[Dave]

Well I know people who can attest to personally making aircraft looking "alien" so they could spy on Iran a few years back. You can actually find articles in papers attesting to the fact that the UFO sighting in Iran whent up like a few hundred percent when we were doing it too.

The case your speaking about could be anything. Maybe another countrys spy plains as well.

Seriously, unless I can see some positive proof with my own eyes, and not just something I cant explain, your going to have a hard time convincing me that its anything other than terrestrial aircraft or just some natural phenomenon..like a meteor or something.

Hell it could of been our own aircraft. If we can fool our own people then we sure as hell can fool the Iranians or the Chinese. Not everyone has the same security access to information.

Occams Razor! The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

How about the sightings documented by Christopher Columbus and Alexander the Great? How do you account for the many many sightings recorded before mankind ever gained the ability to fly?

[ArmChair General]

How about the sightings documented by Christopher Columbus and Alexander the Great? How do you account for the many many sightings recorded before mankind ever gained the ability to fly?

Meteors, natural phenomenon. Remember, these same people believed in Mermaids and Witches and all other kinds of things that went bump in the night.

Its modern science that gave actual meaning to natural occurring phenomenon.

[9sublime]

I think that the chances of alien life existing is almost definite, but the chances of them having the capabilities to reach Earth are much smaller.

These slow moving aircraft easily could have been experimental planes, I think a huge amount of stuff is kept secret. I'm not one for conspiracies, but I think that there is a lot of technology that is kept heavily under cover.

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Meteors, natural phenomenon. Remember, these same people believed in Mermaids and Witches and all other kinds of things that went bump in the night.

Its modern science that gave actual meaning to natural occurring phenomenon.

Start here and then try some searching on your own.

http://www.veling.nl/anne/templars/ancientaircraft_nf.html

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm

[ArmChair General]

Start here and then try some searching on your own.

http://www.veling.nl/anne/templars/ancientaircraft_nf.html

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm

Did the Ancients not have imaginations? Could they not create story's for entertainment?

Come on KOF...fer realz!:D

[Dave]

Meteors, natural phenomenon. Remember, these same people believed in Mermaids and Witches and all other kinds of things that went bump in the night.

Its modern science that gave actual meaning to natural occurring phenomenon.

The problem here is that you are going into the question already knowing the answer you are going to propose. If it happened before people invented airplanes, it must be human stupidity. If it happened after, it must be experimental secret aircraft. If you aren't going to keep an open mind about what they may be seeing, there is no way to debate what is happening. Your explanations don't really explain the Christopher Columbus sighting. In 1492 people had a very good understanding of meteors, and the way he describes it, it was certainly no meteor. He reported a light that moved up and down, changed directions, disappeared and reappeared numerous times over the course of the night. As for Alexander, there were reports of 2 silver craft that dove at his armies until the war elephants panicked and refused to cross the river this happened at. They were described as "great shining silvery shields, spitting fire around the rims... things that came from the skies and returned to the skies." Doesn't really sound like natural phenomenon to me.

[ArmChair General]

The problem here is that you are going into the question already knowing the answer you are going to propose. If it happened before people invented airplanes, it must be human stupidity. If it happened after, it must be experimental secret aircraft. If you aren't going to keep an open mind about what they may be seeing, there is no way to debate what is happening. Your explanations don't really explain the Christopher Columbus sighting. In 1492 people had a very good understanding of meteors, and the way he describes it, it was certainly no meteor. He reported a light that moved up and down, changed directions, disappeared and reappeared numerous times over the course of the night. As for Alexander, there were reports of 2 silver craft that dove at his armies until the war elephants panicked and refused to cross the river this happened at. They were described as "great shining silvery shields, spitting fire around the rims... things that came from the skies and returned to the skies." Doesn't really sound like natural phenomenon to me.

The problem with UFO weirdos is exactly the same problem with Religious IDiots, we can't explain it, therefore [insert asinine idea] is the reason.

[Dave]

The problem with UFO weirdos is exactly the same problem with Religious IDiots, we can't explain it, therefore [insert asinine idea] is the reason.

Oh I'm open to other explanations if you actually want to give a believable explanation. The problem is that there have not been any valid explanations for the vast majority of these sightings. When you get millions of reports claiming that there are crafts coming in from outerspace, including video of UFOs from NASAs own cameras mounted on our craft, its hard to say that these things arent coming from outer space. Couple this evidence with the abduction phenomenon and tons of physical evidence collected through the years, and youve got a pretty solid case that we've got something extraterrestrial here.

[ArmChair General]

Oh I'm open to other explanations if you actually want to give a believable explanation. The problem is that there have not been any valid explanations for the vast majority of these sightings. When you get millions of reports claiming that there are crafts coming in from outerspace, including video of UFOs from NASAs own cameras mounted on our craft, its hard to say that these things arent coming from outer space. Couple this evidence with the abduction phenomenon and tons of physical evidence collected through the years, and youve got a pretty solid case that we've got something extraterrestrial here.

The account with Alexander, actually fits in well with the Hindu version of creation. Its all rather long, but interesting. Since it was INdian historians that we get this account from, im not too surprised that something like this would be in their.

I remember reading a while back about a place in India, that had the remains of a city, and was actually radioactive. Supposedly, the history of the place sais there was an atomic bomb dropped their like 8000 years ago..

hah..found it..
http://www.rense.com/general3/8000.htm

Assuming thats true...what would you make of it?

[Dave]

The account with Alexander, actually fits in well with the Hindu version of creation. Its all rather long, but interesting. Since it was INdian historians that we get this account from, im not too surprised that something like this would be in their.

I remember reading a while back about a place in India, that had the remains of a city, and was actually radioactive. Supposedly, the history of the place sais there was an atomic bomb dropped their like 8000 years ago..

hah..found it..
http://www.rense.com/general3/8000.htm

Assuming thats true...what would you make of it?

Not quite sure. What exactly are you suggesting happened here?

[FRYandBENDER]

I haven't really made up my mind if there are or are not aliens that visit this planet. I could easily seeing being a real possibility, and easily see it as being absurd. I do wonder why there are so many seemingly reputable pilots, air traffic controllers, etc. that have come out and given their statement that they have seen things and were told to be quiet about it. There is this thing called the disclosure project, you can check the videos out on Youtube, where many Airforce officers, nasa employees, and the like are petitioning the government to release the information they have on extraterrestrials that they "know" they are keeping secret. I give it about as much thought as videos claiming that 9/11 was an inside job, but they are definately more interesting. They even claim that we have communicated with them and that "they" are worried about our use of nuclear weapons. They fear that we will either destroy ourselves, or use them on the aliens. Who the hell knows?

[RadicalActor]

Can you give us links to those videos?

[Segep]

I haven't read the entire thread, but I don't always let that stop me.:)

I think it's arrogant to assume we're the most highly evolved creatures in the Universe. And scary, too. If it took 5 billion years of evolution (or 5000 years of Creation or whatever) to produce Windows Vista and the DMV then I'm just pissed.

[FRYandBENDER]

Can you give us links to those videos?

Sure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmgncYEuIXk

Here is a link to the search results page.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+disclosure+project&search=Search

And here is their website.
http://www.disclosureproject.org/


I've only watched a handfull of them. Like I said, the videos do not really sway my opinion on the topic, but they were at least interesting to watch.

[KeepOurFreedoms]

Did the Ancients not have imaginations? Could they not create story's for entertainment?

Come on KOF...fer realz!:D

Stories are interesting........and so are these........
http://www.ufoevidence.org/AncientAstronauts.htm

[Moderator]

Sure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmgncYEuIXk

Here is a link to the search results page.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+disclosure+project&search=Search

And here is their website.
http://www.disclosureproject.org/


I've only watched a handfull of them. Like I said, the videos do not really sway my opinion on the topic, but they were at least interesting to watch.

MmgncYEuIXk

i posted your video for you.

they seem pretty interesting.

[Rokerijdude11]

OHHHHHH

hold the phone!!!!!!!

wait a second....here it is



I said that there is a possiblity that we are not the ONLY intelligent life in the solar system........!!!

OMG

a conspiracy!!!!!!!!!

[steveox]

Yes i do belive in aliens. But there is another world just like earth its about 10 solar systems from us. If we are smart enough to build the technology creating computers and the internet were smart enough to build a starship like the USS Enterprise.

[9sublime]

I'm sorry, how old are you??