The denial´ problem

[Rafael Norma]

The Denial problem

An advise for free to United States Citizens

When I was young, (long time ago) I had to visit my shrink, and he gave me an invaluable advise:

He told me: "When you deny something without being asked about, then you have a problem you got to solve."


U. S. problem with Latin America is the same. The United States always have acted as Latin American countries doesn't exist at all.

When the U. S. feel is in danger, then you say AMERICA IS IN DANGER.

That's a problem you will have to cope and solve; of course only if you are really interested in improving your relations with Latin American countries :D :D :D :rolleyes:

You are welcome

[drippinhun]

I have no problem improving relations with Latin America. I just don't want Latin Americans coming here illegally.

[vyo476]

I'm just curious - why exactly do we have to do this? There isn't much of anything Latin America could do to hurt us if we don't - except encouraging more people to come to America illegally.

I'm all for improving things down there because it'd go a long way towards solving America's illegal immigration problem, and yeah, it'd be nice if we started treating other countries on an equal footing, but don't think for a minute that we're required to do any of that. You have your countries, we have ours, and ours just happens to be on the world stage at the moment.

You should be thanking your lucky stars that when we say "America is in danger!" it doesn't include you.

[lipmonkey]

Well Rafael, may I suggest getting a new shrink.:)

It's pretty hard to ignore Latin American countries when their citizens are flooding our borders. Mexicans for example, seem to think we owe them a living and free access to our country. I disagree. I owe them nothing.

You are correct in stating it is a problem, but if it's a problem for them it's just as big of a problem for us. Latin American countries seem to be blaming us for their problems. I'm thinking they just might have brought some of their problems on themselves.

[Rafael Norma]

Ugh, I forgot that It seems that it's not only Latin America...

http://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/kungfu/world/world-usa2003.gif

...but only the whole world, being ignored by the U. S., since long time ago!!!!

At least we should feel relieved!!!! :oops: :rolleyes: :P

P. S. I would like also to point out that even this map shows how AMERICA ( the U. S.) sees the world!!!

[Rafael Norma]

Well Rafael, may I suggest getting a new shrink.:)

It's pretty hard to ignore Latin American countries when their citizens are flooding our borders. Mexicans for example, seem to think we owe them a living and free access to our country. I disagree. I owe them nothing.

You are correct in stating it is a problem, but if it's a problem for them it's just as big of a problem for us. Latin American countries seem to be blaming us for their problems. I'm thinking they just might have brought some of their problems on themselves.Well, you have remarked the problem. For example, One mexican president, Lázaro Cárdenas took over foreign oil companies that were operating in Mexico. He also took over the haciendas that were owned by wealthy farmers, (who supposedly were the bad guys), without paying them a cent, giving the soil to the "ejidatarios" Those "ejidatarios now go to your country because they dont know how to exploit the land given by Lazaro Cardenas; or they lease "their lands" to the drug cartels

Now in Mexico we have to import gasoline and a lot of grains.

[top gun]

[QUOTE=Rafael Norma;10912] Ugh, I forgot that It seems that it's not only Latin America...

http://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/kungfu/world/world-usa2003.gif

...but only the whole world, being ignored by the U. S., since long time ago!!!!

At least we should feel relieved!!!! :oops: :rolleyes: :P

P. S. I would like also to point out that even this map shows how AMERICA ( the U. S.) sees the world!!![/QUOTE

OK!!! I am very upset about this colorful map that you've presented. You have no right to break into the White House and steal President Bush's world schematics. These are classified documents and I demand that you return them to the administration immediately!:D

[Castle]

I'm just curious - why exactly do we have to do this? There isn't much of anything Latin America could do to hurt us if we don't - except encouraging more people to come to America illegally.

I'm all for improving things down there because it'd go a long way towards solving America's illegal immigration problem, and yeah, it'd be nice if we started treating other countries on an equal footing, but don't think for a minute that we're required to do any of that. You have your countries, we have ours, and ours just happens to be on the world stage at the moment.

You should be thanking your lucky stars that when we say "America is in danger!" it doesn't include you.
WOAH! :eek: I agree with you! good post and very well said.

-Castle

[Cheshire Cat]

Ugh, I forgot that It seems that it's not only Latin America...

http://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/kungfu/world/world-usa2003.gif

...but only the whole world, being ignored by the U. S., since long time ago!!!!

At least we should feel relieved!!!! :oops: :rolleyes: :P

P. S. I would like also to point out that even this map shows how AMERICA ( the U. S.) sees the world!!!

Nice to know that the only people that think a silly cartoon map to describe the USA don't all reside in the USA. Thank you for proving that idiots are global.

[vyo476]

Nice to know that the only people that think a silly cartoon map to describe the USA don't all reside in the USA. Thank you for proving that idiots are global.

Come on, we knew that idiots were global. How else do you explain Russia?

[Justinian]

I hate it when a foreigner thinks he can come on to one of these stupid international forums and thinks he has an opinion on American politics, let alone understands ours. My friend, you have no idea what you're talking about. None what so ever.

[lipmonkey]

I like to hear what they have to say myself. There is two sides to this issue and I want to hear what they have to say.

Rafael isn't saying anything I haven't heard from other people south of the border.

Stupid international boards huh?:D

[Rafael Norma]

[QUOTE=Rafael Norma;10912] Ugh, I forgot that It seems that it's not only Latin America...

http://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/kungfu/world/world-usa2003.gif

...but only the whole world, being ignored by the U. S., since long time ago!!!!

At least we should feel relieved!!!! :oops: :rolleyes: :P

P. S. I would like also to point out that even this map shows how AMERICA ( the U. S.) sees the world!!![/QUOTE

OK!!! I am very upset about this colorful map that you've presented. You have no right to break into the White House and steal President Bush's world schematics. These are classified documents and I demand that you return them to the administration immediately!:DYou made my day!!!:lol::lol::lol:

[9sublime]

I hate it when a foreigner thinks he can come on to one of these stupid international forums and thinks he has an opinion on American politics, let alone understands ours. My friend, you have no idea what you're talking about. None what so ever.

Do you actually like debating? And the only reason you don't like a foreigners viewpoint is because it differs from yours as they are seeing things from the outside.

[jb_1430]

[/B]When the U. S. feel is in danger, then you say AMERICA IS IN DANGER.

That's a problem you will have to cope and solve; of course only if you are really interested in improving your relations with Latin American countries :D :D :D :rolleyes:

You are welcome


SCREW Mexico. Let the Chinese assemble our products and grow our own vegetables and fruit. Latin America poses no danger to the US that a chain link fence and a few hundred snipers couldnt handle.
Have you seen the news clips of the Mexican audience booing the Miss USA contestant. What pathetic people, booing a representative of our country because we wont give them an opportunity to leave their hell hole country. Screw them. Live with what you have created. MARK

[OPGhostdog]

I half way agree with what I have read here, but I think that all foreigners
that's from the outside should be stopped, and until then the United Snakes
will be flooded with immigrates from all over the world.

So why cry about people from the South of the border. When the gov
allows people from the Middle East to flood cities like Chicago,Detroit,
New York,Boston, and other major US cities. Mexicians want to come
to America like others who wannabe free, and yet once they get here its
a complete different ballgame. I feel that if the Mexicians isn't allowed
here. Stop letting people from Iraq into America.

[ArmChair General]

I like this one better:

http://www.toughpolitics.com/world-usa2007.jpg

[USMC the Almighty]

I like this one better:

http://www.toughpolitics.com/world-usa2007.jpg

I'm a fan.

[Rafael Norma]

SCREW Mexico. Let the Chinese assemble our products and grow our own vegetables and fruit. Latin America poses no danger to the US that a chain link fence and a few hundred snipers couldnt handle.
Have you seen the news clips of the Mexican audience booing the Miss USA contestant. What pathetic people, booing a representative of our country because we wont give them an opportunity to leave their hell hole country. Screw them. Live with what you have created. MARK

Here in Mexico we say "The truth isn't a sin, but how it hurts!":D:D:D:p


Regards to all my brothers and sisters

[Think for myself]

I hate it when a foreigner thinks he can come on to one of these stupid international forums and thinks he has an opinion on American politics, let alone understands ours. My friend, you have no idea what you're talking about. None what so ever.

Just as we have opinions of the actions and politics of other countries, so do non Americans have opinions of our actions cs. Unless we adopt an extreme form of isolationism, we are tied together both economically and morally.

[drippinhun]

I have no problem with others expressing opinions about anything. If it's a political forum, that's what it is for. But tied together morally, this I do not believe.

[jb_1430]

Here in Mexico we say "The truth isn't a sin, but how it hurts!":D:D:D:p


Regards to all my brothers and sisters

"How it hurts" you is of no concern whatsoever to me. MARK

[Rafael Norma]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7913/immigrationbillt600ch6.jpg

[vyo476]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7913/immigrationbillt600ch6.jpg

Here's a clue. We don't want your people coming here illegally. At all. We have legal ways of immigrating and if you really want to come to America, we'd like it if you made an attempt at following our laws. We like the whole Rule of Law thing here and it's just getting off on the wrong foot if you violated our immigration laws just to get here.

The more you piss us off, the (far) less likely we'll be to want to help your country dig itself out of the socio-economic mess it's gotten itself into. We have our own issues to deal with - don't think for a minute that just because we're already American citizens that our lives are completely grand.

I'm just curious, Rafael. Why is it that you think the United States of America owes you and your people anything?

[baldar]

I wonder how Mexicans would react if the US were to carry out immigration laws and actions that Mexico has?

My advice, clean up your own house before complaining about your neighbors.

[baldar]

The US does not ignore Latin America. As a regional controller in the area and Vice President of Finance, I can tel you that Latin America is very much on the mind of the US. Especially Mexico.

For instance, questions are asked,

Why is Mexico so corrupt?
Why do Mexican citizens risk their lives in order to leave the country of their birth?
What is Mexico doing to improve its status in the world.

Mexico as a member of OPEC has as many riches per capita as the US does, and yet it squanders them and seeks the blame the US for its own corruption. And believe me, Mexico's problems are due to Mexico's actions and no one else's.

The US plays a minor part in Mexico's corruption, it allows Mxicaqn citizens to illegally enter the US which acts as a pressure release, rather than force the government to reform and meet the needs of its people.

No other Latin American country has such a wonderful option.

The biggest debates in America today deal with Latin America, they also did in the past.

One wonders at the presumption of the picture given the ignorance of many people in South America and even Mexico of the United States (and yes, they tend to be most ignorant).

One also wonders at the presumption of many Latins as to why countries like Mexico can have harsh and even human rights abuses built into their immigration, but expect the US to have an open door policy?

Latin America is not ignored, but one wonders if Latin America will ever really reach the potential that its own people can reach if unfettered from their "benevolent" governments. After all, I am sure Chavez, Castro and so many others are only controlling the media for the country's own good. :wink:

[Rafael Norma]

Here's a clue. We don't want your people coming here illegally. At all. We have legal ways of immigrating and if you really want to come to America, we'd like it if you made an attempt at following our laws. We like the whole Rule of Law thing here and it's just getting off on the wrong foot if you violated our immigration laws just to get here.

The more you piss us off, the (far) less likely we'll be to want to help your country dig itself out of the socio-economic mess it's gotten itself into. We have our own issues to deal with - don't think for a minute that just because we're already American citizens that our lives are completely grand.

I'm just curious, Rafael. Why is it that you think the United States of America owes you and your people anything?With all due respect [i] where did I said that the U. S. owes us a thing? I ´ve only said that [i]the U. S. has a complete disregard towards Latin American countries. And that is
a fact That´s all

Regards my bros and sis :D:D:D:P

[baldar]

I disagree with your belief that you call a fact.

[Cheshire Cat]

The US does not ignore Latin America. As a regional controller in the area and Vice President of Finance, I can tel you that Latin America is very much on the mind of the US. Especially Mexico.

For instance, questions are asked,

Why is Mexico so corrupt?
Why do Mexican citizens risk their lives in order to leave the country of their birth?
What is Mexico doing to improve its status in the world.

Mexico as a member of OPEC has as many riches per capita as the US does, and yet it squanders them and seeks the blame the US for its own corruption. And believe me, Mexico's problems are due to Mexico's actions and no one else's.

The US plays a minor part in Mexico's corruption, it allows Mxicaqn citizens to illegally enter the US which acts as a pressure release, rather than force the government to reform and meet the needs of its people.

No other Latin American country has such a wonderful option.

The biggest debates in America today deal with Latin America, they also did in the past.

One wonders at the presumption of the picture given the ignorance of many people in South America and even Mexico of the United States (and yes, they tend to be most ignorant).

One also wonders at the presumption of many Latins as to why countries like Mexico can have harsh and even human rights abuses built into their immigration, but expect the US to have an open door policy?

Latin America is not ignored, but one wonders if Latin America will ever really reach the potential that its own people can reach if unfettered from their "benevolent" governments. After all, I am sure Chavez, Castro and so many others are only controlling the media for the country's own good. :wink:

Bump.

[Rafael Norma]

Bump.I like your smiling cat icon it´s funny

[Rafael Norma]

returning to the theme, I would like to state one suggestion: if you reallly want to get rid of such brown, disagreeable, ignorant and smelly people inside the U. S., and your hatred contempt is so big toward them, why you don't invest some of your U. S: dollars in such a despicable countries, creating jobs, instead of wasting them in a useless & senseless war in Irak, so you can be free from such disgusting people? :D:D:D:p

[top gun]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7913/immigrationbillt600ch6.jpg

I have a suggestion my friend. Don't be fooled by the fact President Bush is for this immigration reform bill. He's only one guy that soon will have absolutely no power at all. Look at the rhetoric. Look at which political side is railing against immigration reform.

Then ask all of your friends that live in America and can legally vote in the United States to vote for the Democrats. If you think things look bleak now... think what will happen if the Democrats don't continue to win.

[vyo476]

With all due respect [i] where did I said that the U. S. owes us a thing? I ´ve only said that [i]the U. S. has a complete disregard towards Latin American countries. And that is
a fact That´s all

Regards my bros and sis :D:D:D:P

So you think the USA has a complete disregard for Latin America, huh? Well, that does kinda beg the question...what, exactly, do you expect us to do about it?

I mean, in the early 20th Century, when TR came out with the Roosevelt Corollary, the complaints we were getting from south of our borders were, "You're violating our sovereignty! Get the **** out and don't come back!" Now here we are one hundred years later, and the complaints are, "Give us attention! Don't ignore us!"

You'd think we'd closed the borders and shot all your diplomats. That's hardly true. Wanna see what's true?

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/latin_america_caribbean/

[OPGhostdog]

[quote=Rafael Norma] why you don't invest some of your U. S: dollars in such despicable countries, creating jobs, instead of wasting them in a useless war in Irak, so you can be free from such disgusting people?

Invest???? Why invest when the government is taking our tax dollars,
and using them the way they want to do. Other Countries? That's our
damn problem. We are investing money everywhere but where it should
be invested.

True for the past five (soon be six) years our government has wasted
our tax dollars in the Middle East peroid. Yeah one can be free from
such people by impeaching them, and taking our government back.

We are the government, and these bozos is suppose to be working
for us...not we working for them.

[baldar]

returning to the theme, I would like to state one suggestion: if you reallly want to get ride of such brown, disagreeable, ignorant and smelly people inside the U. S., and your hatred contempt is so big toward them, why you don't invest some of your U. S: dollars in such a despicable countries, creating jobs, instead of wasting them in a useless & senseless war in Irak, so you can be free from such disgusting people? :D:D:D:p

I don't recall anyone using that language here. Are you sure you aren't projecting?

In fact the second largest investment into Mexico, the second largest income going into Mexico outside of its petroleum is wire transfers from Mexicans working in the US. Indeed hundreds of millions each year come into Mexico and still the country can't seem to get its act together.

Still, you haven't answered the questions so I will ask them again.

The US does not ignore Latin America. As a regional controller in the area and Vice President of Finance, I can tel you that Latin America is very much on the mind of the US. Especially Mexico.

For instance, questions are asked,

Why is Mexico so corrupt?
Why do Mexican citizens risk their lives in order to leave the country of their birth?
What is Mexico doing to improve its status in the world.

Mexico has as many riches per capita as the US does, and yet it squanders them and seeks the blame the US for its own corruption. And believe me, Mexico's problems are due to Mexico's actions and no one else's.

The US plays a minor part in Mexico's corruption, it allows Mexican citizens to illegally enter the US which acts as a pressure release, rather than force the government to reform and meet the needs of its people.

No other Latin American country has such a wonderful option.

The biggest debates in America today deal with Latin America, they also did in the past.

One wonders at the presumption of the picture given the ignorance of many people in South America and even Mexico of the United States (and yes, they tend to be most ignorant).

One also wonders at the presumption of many Latins as to why countries like Mexico can have harsh and even human rights abuses built into their immigration, but expect the US to have an open door policy?

Latin America is not ignored, but one wonders if Latin America will ever really reach the potential that its own people can reach if unfettered from their "benevolent" governments. After all, I am sure Chavez, Castro and so many others are only controlling the media for the country's own good. :wink:

[Rafael Norma]

One thing I can't understand is why the U. S. has allowed dictators such as Fidel Castro and his recent pupil, Hugo Chávez They have destroyed their countrymen´ lives

They have lost democracy. Their countries are managed by one man.

Even that, the U. S. still buys oil from Hugo Chavez. If you want to destroy such a nuisance, don’t say you do not have alternative oil supplies.

Even here in Mexico, on last year presidential elections we were on a blink to get a dictatorship as bad as in Cuba or Venezuela. Mr. Felipe Calderón won the elections only by less than 240,000 votes.

A scoundrel as Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the leftist candidate ( I don't know why the prestigious New York Times gave space in their editorials to such person.)

He divided Mexican people: the fuel and the engine of all his political campaign was of hatred and resentment beetween Mexicans, the poor against the middle class and the rich, everything against the law, against democracy

And when he knew he lose, with Mexico City new mayor unconditional support, Mr. Marcelo Ebrard, he organised a mob to take the main street in Mexico City: ( the same man that Mr. Bill Clinton has backed in less than two weeks)

”Leftist” demonstrators took Paseo de la Reforma Avenue [I]during six weeks, because his idol Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador didn´t win the presidential election in México, on July 2006, causing $300 million dollar losses on main hotels and restaurants in Mexico City

Many workers lose their job as time passed. The same persons that Mr. Lopez said he liked to help.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/Rafael_Norma/Mxico_Partido_en_Dos.jpg

[Rafael Norma]

One thing I can't understand is why the U. S. has allowed dictators such as Fidel Castro and his recent pupil, Hugo Chávez They have destroyed their countrymen´ lives

They have lost democracy. Their countries are managed by one man.

Even that, the U. S. still buys oil from Hugo Chavez. If you want to destroy such a nuisance, don’t say you do not have alternative oil supplies.

Even here in Mexico, on last year presidential elections we were on a blink to get a dictatorship as bad as in Cuba or Venezuela. Mr. Felipe Calderón won the elections only by less than 240,000 votes.

A scoundrel as Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the leftist candidate ( I don't know why the prestigious New York Times gave space in their editorials to such person.

He divided Mexican people: the fuel and the engine of all his political campaign was of hatred and resentment beetween Mexicans, the poor against the middle class and the rich, everydthing against the law, against democracy

And we he knew he lose, with Mexico City new mayor unconditional support, Mr. Marcelo Ebrard he organised a mob to take the main street in Mexico City: ( the same man that Mr. Bill Clinton has backed in less than two weeks)

”Leftist” demonstrators took Paseo de la Reforma Avenue [I]during six weeks, because his idol Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador didn´t win the presidential election in México, on July 2006, causing $300 million dollar losses on main hotels and restaurants in Mexico City
Many workers lose their job as time passed. The same persons that Mr. Lopez said he liked to help.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/Rafael_Norma/Mxico_Partido_en_Dos.jpg

[baldar]

My questions remain unanswered

[ArmChair General]

One thing I can't understand is why the U. S. has allowed dictators such as Fidel Castro and his recent pupil, Hugo Chávez They have destroyed their countrymen´ lives

They have lost democracy. Their countries are managed by one man.

Even that, the U. S. still buys oil from Hugo Chavez. If you want to destroy such a nuisance, don’t say you do not have alternative oil supplies.

Even here in Mexico, on last year presidential elections we were on a blink to get a dictatorship as bad as in Cuba or Venezuela. Mr. Felipe Calderón won the elections only by less than 240,000 votes.

A scoundrel as Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the leftist candidate ( I don't know why the prestigious New York Times gave space in their editorials to such person.)

He divided Mexican people: the fuel and the engine of all his political campaign was of hatred and resentment beetween Mexicans, the poor against the middle class and the rich, everything against the law, against democracy

And when he knew he lose, with Mexico City new mayor unconditional support, Mr. Marcelo Ebrard, he organised a mob to take the main street in Mexico City: ( the same man that Mr. Bill Clinton has backed in less than two weeks)

”Leftist” demonstrators took Paseo de la Reforma Avenue [I]during six weeks, because his idol Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador didn´t win the presidential election in México, on July 2006, causing $300 million dollar losses on main hotels and restaurants in Mexico City

Many workers lose their job as time passed. The same persons that Mr. Lopez said he liked to help.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/Rafael_Norma/Mxico_Partido_en_Dos.jpg




Your government???

IF you care so much about them, grab your pack and your gun and go and liberate them.

The American Governments Job is to protect the inherent rights of Americans, not Cubans or venezuelans or Iraqi's.

If you wanna go save the victims in some far of place, go do it. Don't make me pay for it. Because I sure as hell don;t.

[lipmonkey]

Rafael

You seem to be some sort of activist but your claim that Latin American countries are being ignored isn't the case, as you suggested in your previous posts. IMO.

A look into foreign aid to the countries in Latin America shows how much we actually contribute, if you care to look it up.

Besides foreign aid from our government, cash transfers to Latin American countries shows that more than $60 billion goes to LA countries and Mexico alone receives around $23 billion

Foreign remittances now rank along with oil and tourism as Mexico's biggest foreign currency earner.

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6465297.stm)

If you feel ignored, I'd say get in touch with some of your family members who have travelled north to get a piece of the American dream.;)

[Rafael Norma]

Why is Mexico so corrupt?


Unfortunately, I have to recognize that is true, and I don´t have an answer.

Why do Mexican citizens risk their lives in order to leave the country of their birth?


Lack of any opportunity in their own land.

What is Mexico doing to improve its status in the world.


Well at least, I think ( and hope) that with Mr. Felipe Calderón in office things will begin to improve, as I believe he is a man of good faith

Regartds.

[baldar]

Appreciate the answers and I agree for the most part with what you have to say regarding the problems facing Mexico.

[jb_1430]

One thing I can't understand is why the U. S. has allowed dictators such as Fidel Castro and his recent pupil, Hugo Chávez They have destroyed their countrymen´ lives

They have lost democracy. Their countries are managed by one man.



Because if we as much as express our disagreements with these leaders we are accused of being imperialist, for meddling in the affairs of foreign nations.

MARK

[Rafael Norma]

Rafael

You seem to be some sort of activist but your claim that Latin American countries are being ignored isn't the case, as you suggested in your previous posts. IMO.

A look into foreign aid to the countries in Latin America shows how much we actually contribute, if you care to look it up.

Besides foreign aid from our government, cash transfers to Latin American countries shows that more than $60 billion goes to LA countries and Mexico alone receives around $23 billion



Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6465297.stm)

If you feel ignored, I'd say get in touch with some of your family members who have travelled north to get a piece of the American dream.;)

Dear Lipmonkey:


I 've no family working or living in the States.

Regards

[Rafael Norma]

However I think we Mexicans had good luck as Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador couldn´t reach the Presidency, because he was a real danger for democracy in Mexico:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/Rafael_Norma/Mr_Lopez_as_agoat_in_a_glass_shop.jpg

[Justinian]

Hey Mexican, I got news for you pal. The tide is turning and many of your dumb friends are looking to be packing their bags. Don't forget, you're a Goddamn Mexican. When I said you have no idea what you're talking about, it meant you have no f-ing clue to what the hell it is to begin to talk about America, little man.

[marilynj55]

Hey Mexican, I got news for you pal. The tide is turning and many of your dumb friends are looking to be packing their bags. Don't forget, you're a Goddamn Mexican. When I said you have no idea what you're talking about, it meant you have no f-ing clue to what the hell it is to begin to talk about America, little man.

I'm so sick of reading your racist crap. Are you for real?

[lipmonkey]

Hey Mexican, I got news for you pal. The tide is turning and many of your dumb friends are looking to be packing their bags. Don't forget, you're a Goddamn Mexican. When I said you have no idea what you're talking about, it meant you have no f-ing clue to what the hell it is to begin to talk about America, little man.

You know, you are the most ignorant prick I have met on a board and yet allowed to post. You are a true idiot.

[vyo476]

Hey Mexican, I got news for you pal. The tide is turning and many of your dumb friends are looking to be packing their bags. Don't forget, you're a Goddamn Mexican. When I said you have no idea what you're talking about, it meant you have no f-ing clue to what the hell it is to begin to talk about America, little man.

I have to say, this is a new low for you.

[Segep]

I have to say, this is a new low for you.

I doubt it. More like it's just a group he hadn't gotten around to hating on yet.

[MarkVI]

Justinian, that was really uncalled for.

You are only proving your own ignorance at understanding other cultures and others' situations.

Please be respectful to all members, treat your fellow members as you would like to be treated.

[top gun]

Hey Mexican, I got news for you pal. The tide is turning and many of your dumb friends are looking to be packing their bags. Don't forget, you're a Goddamn Mexican. When I said you have no idea what you're talking about, it meant you have no f-ing clue to what the hell it is to begin to talk about America, little man.

Just how do you rationalize that spitting out ridiculous, bigoted hatred like this helps your cause. You're making the religious arguments you usually love to preach look even more fake and hypocritical than usual.:eek:

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! BANG!!!!!!!!!!

[Lawless168]

I just don't want Latin Americans coming here illegally, and this is the problem that must be addressed like the thread starter stated, "by denying that you have a problem" and it should be addressed ... lol

Why would Mexico want a bunch of US citizens in Mexico illegally or any country for that matter?

[OPGhostdog]

Its a damn shame to read some of the negative comments
concerning the mexicians coming to America. Why is most
of you against people (south of the border) coming into the
USA, but people from all over the world is welcome to come
to America.

These people come through a phoney program that's set up
by our government called student exchange. This allows a
foreign student to come over here tax free. Learn to live the
American way, consume knowledge through our educational
system, and then a few thousands of dollars later they return
home.

The people are dying while crossing the Rio Grande trying to
make it to the so-called land of the free. Yet once they do
reach the American side, they are shot and killed, and some
is sent back to Mexico..

Justianian's post is waay out of order, and its people like him
who keep using other screen names to get back on sites like
this one. I have to agree with lipmonkey calling you a prink,
and I think that anytime a PUNK like you get rude with some
one that you don't know...you have a serious mental problem.

Keep Justinian banned, and if he's banned how is he still posting on HOP?

[Castle]

concerning the mexicians coming to America. Why is most of you against people (south of the border) coming into the USA, but people from all over the world is welcome to come to America.
I have no issues with Mexicans coming to America, just those who slither in illegally including those from other countries. I would assume that the focus is on countries like Mexico and Cuba for obvious reasons. I've never had a problem communicating in South Florida or Southern California because I didn't speak Russian.

The people are dying while crossing the Rio Grande trying to make it to the so-called land of the free. Yet once they do
reach the American side, they are shot and killed, and some is sent back to Mexico.
Interesting how you place absolutely no blame on the Mexican government for creating the conditions that push them to take those risks in the first place.
Interesting indeed.

-Castle

[USMC the Almighty]

I've never had a problem communicating in South Florida or Southern California because I didn't speak Russian.

Exactly! The only group that we make excuses for is the Spanish. That's the only group of "immigrants" that the U.S. has ever had to cater to with this bilingualist "press 2 for Spanish" BS.

All throughout American history, immigrants have been expected to and have largely succeeded in assimilating to the American way. All, except the Spanish.


Interesting how you place absolutely no blame on the Mexican government for creating the conditions that push them to take those risks in the first place.
Interesting indeed.


Of course not. It's always America's fault. One thing that GhostDog ignores is that the U.S. is the land of the free for those who are willing to abide by this country's doctrine of the rule of law. Those who are crossing the Rio Grande attempting to illegally gain access to this country are breaking this country's laws.

The real solution is stock the Rio Grande with hundreds of gators and crocs.

[TruthAboveAll]

Its a damn shame to read some of the negative comments
concerning the mexicians coming to America. Why is most
of you against people (south of the border) coming into the
USA, but people from all over the world is welcome to come
to America.

I've no problem with anyone wanting to come to the United States of America. We have long held the position as the preeminent land of opportunity. It's what my great-great-grandparents were seeking when they arrived, and it's what many are still seeking today.

The "south of the border" people, as you put it, is only a problem because they are taking full advantage of the geographic location, and not showing any respect to our borders. (We could have the same problem with the people "north of the border" but Canada has, for the most part, held the same opportunity and ideological freedoms we enjoy here.) Mexicans and other Latinos are welcome here, and I extend every invitation to them. JUST LEGALLY!

These people come through a phoney program that's set up
by our government called student exchange. This allows a
foreign student to come over here tax free. Learn to live the
American way, consume knowledge through our educational
system, and then a few thousands of dollars later they return
home.

You cite a problem with "student exchange." That program(s) is for high-school age students. The "exchange" part of your description is exactly that: our youth go to, say, France, and a youth from France comes here. They stay for a pre-determined time, usually in the 3-6 month range, sometimes a school year. Please don't confuse issues. They may gain advantage from us, but our students gain also. Or perhaps you are referring to higher-education students?

The people are dying while crossing the Rio Grande trying to
make it to the so-called land of the free. Yet once they do
reach the American side, they are shot and killed, and some
is sent back to Mexico..

These people are illegal. If someone breaks into my house, it doesn't matter how nice, caring and sharing a person I am. I'm going to do whatever I can, whatever it takes, to protect myself, my family and my property. Yet you say that we should just say "Fine, come right on in?" I don't think so. And you grossly exagerate, with the "once they do....they are shot and killed" statement.

Justianian's post is waay out of order, and its people like him
who keep using other screen names to get back on sites like
this one. I have to agree with lipmonkey calling you a prink,
and I think that anytime a PUNK like you get rude with some
one that you don't know...you have a serious mental problem.

Something we agree on, 100%. Anyone condemning Justinian's posting behavior is absolutely correct. This conduct is totally disgusting. I know that we are supposed to be able to say what we want, but there are some things, or some people, that are just.... well.... lower than a snakes belly! And Justinian, YOU'RE it!! I'm with ghostdog, et al, you've a serious problem. See your shrink and check your meds!

Keep Justinian banned, and if he's banned how is he still posting on HOP?

Again, wondering about that myself....:confused:

[TruthAboveAll]

I have no issues with Mexicans coming to America, just those who slither in illegally including those from other countries. I would assume that the focus is on countries like Mexico and Cuba for obvious reasons. I've never had a problem communicating in South Florida or Southern California because I didn't speak Russian.


Interesting how you place absolutely no blame on the Mexican government for creating the conditions that push them to take those risks in the first place.
Interesting indeed.

-Castle

Oh, so true! Why is it always the bad ole' U.S.? We have to take the blame, too. We've let it go on for so long, with barely a whimper. Now I fear that we'd better find our voices and find them fast. Another vote in the Senate tomorrow is going to push us closer to multiplying this fiasco to an unimaginable degree. Truly, we'd better fight for the U.S. while we've still got it to fight for!

[bokile]

The Denial problem

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U. S. problem with Latin America is the same. The United States always have acted as Latin American countries doesn't exist at all.


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That is why you can speak Spanish/ press numero uno :D :D any time I call anywhere:D

[r0beph]

While I'm usually distinctly liberal, and for some reason the support for illegal immigration seems to be thrust as a liberal ideal, I myself find hardship in accepting this. I don't care personally where you come from. If you sneak in illegally from russia, norway, thailand, or mexico, it is illegal and you should be deported. Go through the correct process do it like everyone else and stop being such a pain and strain on the country. Perhaps these illegals want to come because it's "so much better here" but yet, they do their part in tearing down the very (attempted) organized structure of law and order. I am ALL for 15 million LEGAL immigrants a year, I'm all for 20 million, I'm all for HOWEVER MANY LEGAL immigrants can make it here to call it home. I for one would welcome the new workforce ready to raise the overall taxable incomes in our country. But seriously, if you're not here legally, by virtue, you are IN VIOLATION OF THE VERY LAWS WHICH MAKE THIS PLACE SO GREAT [supposedly, and often times inversely, but just the same...]

[USMC the Almighty]

You obviously don't realize the kind of strains that such an influx of immigration would put on our education and healthcare systems, not to mention the familiar problems Social Security and Welfare.

[r0beph]

You obviously don't realize the kind of strains that such an influx of immigration would put on our education and healthcare systems, not to mention the familiar problems Social Security and Welfare.

Oh sure I do. But I also understand that strain already exists due to current illegal immigration. I seriously doubt it would be much different sadly. At least we'd have a better grip on the problem rather than letting it run rampant with no checks.