Are we to weak for Revolution?

[Irishone21]

Why is there no source on the internet where one can watch and observe current presidential speeches and government action? We are becoming foreigners to our government, as most of us only have time to learn only increments of information about the government and only after something big happens. This is causing people to either divert their attention from politics, allowing the government to carry on corruption, or go crazy exposing corruption, after it fades out of the minds of the majority. The government could have prevented the tragedies on September 11th, and many believe contributed to some of the destruction.

My brother recently added information on my MYSPACE about the NWO, an impending police state, and the weakening of our economy and instinctively I erased it because all the shocking corruptions of our government almost seemed like scam. It was so astonishing, that it almost puts you in denial.

If we remain ignorant and fall a victim to the seemingly patriotic, conservative persona, we will lose our identities, and our influence will rapidly diminish. Although most already know about this, if you would like to learn the other side to our government refer to Alex Jones, or the revolutionary Jay Mick to become enlightened. You can also go to infowars.com. If anyone else knows a better site to go to, I would appreciate it if you inform me.

The point being is high tech security is using terrorism as an excuse, exploiting the weakness of society that resulted from the downfall of democracy, where technology helped weaken the influence of the people. By no means should we remain supportive of a government that is anything but virtuous. If our mentality is fooled by the majority opinion, we are abdicating to a dishonorable force. If you are conscious of the dangers of increasingly enhancing security, where your personal life is no longer an option, then you to would begin to fight for a revolution. Many of you fear you have more to lose then gain by a revolution, but I assure you, you are wrong, as long as we put our personal lives aside, resurrect the American spirit and unite, there is no way we will lose, or be denied.

I realize every individual must be convinced for we are not tied together as people of an aristocracy are, but the more we unite, the easier it will be to suppress the tyrannical majority. Subconsciously, people don’t believe in the war, but considering we are in denial that the provokers of terrorism are the American government, we refuse to actively voice our opinion, standing against the government.

The republicans are sincere about stressing the importance of security for we have embarked on dangerous missions, like stationing troops and acting offensively in regards to force, where we should be acting offensively in regards to diplomacy. Now, the conservative government fears that it is too late to change action, for their military mistakes have left them at a point of no return.

The only way we can get out of this historical error in administration is by uniting and fighting for a revolution, which doesn’t have to be violent. We need to separate ourselves from the conservatives who fear they are due for revenge. With that being said, have courage, focus on the Revolution and join the fight against the empire.

www.myspace.com/zmcbride

[michaelr]

It is unfortunate that you have to bring this up. People today simply believe that their gov is corrupt, and rightfully so. Problem is, they think that they cannot do anything about it. We are used to our news served up by agenda pushing pukes that have sold their integrity for their 8 pieces of silver, the situation room in the case of Adolf Blitzer. Politics is a mere 30 second plip vert on the way to or from one of their jobs.It's a cleaver plot that has been played on the American people for a long time. They made the women in this country that only by joining the work force can they become more than a second class person. Hell, now if they don't work families suffer. They make it seem that keeping up with the Jones isn't good enough. We must borrow more and more just to survive. Homes are now mansions, where I live, an upper middle class neighborhood, homes are selling for around 500K. Thats nuts! Cars are more than transportation, there a 15~60 thousand dollar loan. Collages are a whole other mess. Today we are involved with wars and a failing foreign policy that is costing trillions. Still people look at a blue sky, green grass, and care a less about the state of their country. Time for a revolution, I would say were past that time.

[Irishone21]

Thank you

[Irishone21]

If we still had the spirit to unite, we could successfully appease our government, making them more compliant to the needs of the people. Might as well start gathering people online as that has become the last hope for democracy, despite it taking part in its downfall.

[michaelr]

If we still had the spirit to unite, we could successfully appease our government, making them more compliant to the needs of the people. Might as well start gathering people online as that has become the last hope for democracy, despite it taking part in its downfall.

Here is an article that I bumped into. I think that you may enjoy it.
LEADERLESS RESISTANCE (http://www.louisbeam.com/leaderless.htm)
Please let me know what you think.

[chad750]

Only when the people as a whole have nothing due to gov actions will their be revolution. Hell even then there may not be one.

[Irishone21]

What makes you not want to join the path to a more virtuous government that is able to unite the states rather then the military desiring war, and the citizenry desiring peace? It is up to citizenry to demand peace before their influence completely diminishes.

Circular logic is used to deter revolutions. As internet has become the prime source for association, people are assigned a job that targets revolutionaries and strives to divert the attention of the masses from the reality of the possibility.

If we still had the spirit to unite, we could successfully appease our government, making them more compliant to the needs of the people. We may as well start gathering people online as that has become the last hope for democracy, despite it taking part in its downfall.

The NWO seeks to augment the power of the government, thus decreasing the power of the people. That is why I express liberality because; liberals tend to want to expand the rights of the people more than conservatives. Some are so content with America that they become apathetic about the government, assuming that the government will know how to handle things, which in turn gives the government room and time to hide their fault, making imperfection in our government less discernable for those that suspect usually stand against the majority, which is content.


In times of war, in democratic societies, people become fond of centralized government, for it is more capable of acting quick.

Considering the equality of condition, men in America are powerless as individuals. Individuals are weak, and considering they can't find assistance from their fellow citizens, they look to the government, whether deceptive or honest, supporting them unconditionally.

This is what the government loves, for it strengthens their power, making us subjects left to be manipulated by a protracted illusion of the majority, to which if we oppose, we encounter great condensation.

We refuse to commit to Revolution because we are so caught up in our own personal affairs that we will do anything, even become precarious, sacrificing our rights for tranquility, to protect our property, and preserve our liberty, to which as a result of war, we are losing.

We need to become aware that our government is putting us at risk for prolonged warfare in which will disturb this tranquility we so aptly hold onto. If we don’t separate ourselves from the government, we will become subservient to a tyrannical force, causing us to lose our crowns to which we handed over in order to protect our wellbeing from being jeopardized.

In America there are the apathetic, the Revolutionaries (and/or leaders), the rulers, and the sheep to which the rulers strategically use to their own advantage, distorting their opinions with patriotic vernacular, and condemning (to that of the Muslim world) journalism and behind the scenes reprogramming, such as evoking the hatred in soldiers, prior to war.

Our rulers are no worse than theirs… Although they brainwash people into violence, we brainwash people into ignorance. Both are opposite sides to the cave. The peacemaker, and/or, the son God, the aspiring candidate of peace, is where the solution is to be found, however, the arrogance of the American rulers and the resent of the Muslim rulers (the so-called terrorist) prevents both sides from confiding in the neutral middle man, who is free of hatred, thus keeping both sides of the cave diverging from the light in the middle, to which is the only way out of the cave. This is a war in the dark, and only a middle man can unite both sides, leading both sides to Glory... Peace is the pinnacle of Victory... Without an appropriate and neutral middle man victory is made impossible, as tragedy is made inevitable.

We don't need an ambassador of America; we need a ambassador of God... I am fit for proper negotiation.

[9sublime]

I DON'T want an ambassador of God, and I'm sure millions of other people don't either.

I don't believe you have divine powers, and if you do, I don't believe its the Christian God you are talking to.

Religion is man made, religion can be abused AS A TOOL, and in todays world it is abused as a tool. It's one for doing exactly what you are trying to rebel against, keep people down, brainwash them, make them follow, stop revolution because of fear of not going to hell.

If you want people to break their shackles of any kind, doing it through religion is simply absoloute hypocrisy and irony.

[Justinian]

I DON'T want an ambassador of God, and I'm sure millions of other people don't either.

I don't believe you have divine powers, and if you do, I don't believe its the Christian God you are talking to.

Religion is man made, religion can be abused AS A TOOL, and in todays world it is abused as a tool. It's one for doing exactly what you are trying to rebel against, keep people down, brainwash them, make them follow, stop revolution because of fear of not going to hell.

If you want people to break their shackles of any kind, doing it through religion is simply absoloute hypocrisy and irony.

This is one of your more honest posts Sublime and seemingly speaks from the heart with good intentions. I'm not going to beat you over the head with the bible etc. like what's happened before but I will level with your point of view and try and reason with you as well as everyone else.

You see, man is imperfect and rebellious by nature. All debates to the side, even IF (and that's a big if) ALL religion was not divinely inspired and purely an invention of man, by the same reasoning so is government however both are needed. You see, on a secular point of view religion in a nation is good (that is mono-religiously) because by its own moral nature and doctrine it keeps the government in check by capitalizing on "the honor system" so to speak. In a strongly religious community, government is comparitively small even in totalitarian countries because religion works to the advocacy of the government and, I believe, works to the benefits of its people. People need a doctrine of belief. Governments know this. They know people MUST be conditioned to obey the federal law one way or another. If religion is eliminated, the government will without a doubt grow and interfere with the affairs of the people through necessity. It never works as well however and cannot work as well because the very people then that are enforcing the law are half-heartedly principled themselves.This leads to the whole system beginning to decay, sucking in more and more money to sustain itself and clean up after its failings. The irony about this is religious morality was not founded by the government but government law is almost universally based on religion. So both depend and benefit the other. I can see how you believe that religion is brainwashing but to be honest with you, everyone is brainwashed. Brainwashing is a natural part of life unfortunately. People always cry free thought when they themselves are conditioned by their environment and personal experience to believe whatever they do. Brainwashing is usually used in a negative way which usually refers to involuntary brainwashing. Voluntary or unspoken brainwashing takes on other terms like propogation, education, training, etc. It's all personal influence towards a means whether you are aware of it or not. This has been understood by people for thousands of years. This was what we had in the very beginning, the base human thought with no strings attached. All different perspectives with different outlooks being fed by different environmental conditions. However even then, there were universal understandings such as loyalty to your kind, defend your home and family, defend your land, etc. Eventually through trial and error, people all over the world began to conclude various things through generations and generations of trial and error which started the original basis of morality. We are brainwashed into believing in morality because of our trust of the collective work and study of our ancestors, the people before us which is why we voluntarily digest things we read and hear. When morality merged with spiritualism, we arrived at religion. Religion fixes the problem which is successfully arising again by religion's undoing which is to create a societal understanding of virtue creating a homogenous society of brethren. It's almost like creating an expanded family of your whole nation. What we're witnessing today in the West is not the new ideology of science, liberalism, secularism, intellectualism (or whatever else you want to call it) but the actual undoing of civilized accomplishment bringing us backward closer to our uncivilized, unprincipled, barbarous base nature. Not only does religion accomplish this but it also creates a community of souls and the understanding of history from your knowledge of the character and accomplishments of your ancestors as well as the admiration and preparation for your future descendants. It's almost like a universal beating of the human heart. So you see, religion is not really a bad thing. Religion is one the fundamental pieces of community, moreover nationalism. To simply argue that religion is bad because it can start or participate in war is ignorant and silly because if a people have no principle, they will not fight and if they will not fight, in one form or another they will be subjugated. If anything, religion acts as a protector and massive service to a people. So what I'm saying is it's like raising a child. You can teach the kid to believe anything, so why don't you teach him things that are good and will only add to your neighborhood and he/she's becoming of an adult. Does that make sense to you or are you too far out? :confused:

[9sublime]

I understand your post Justinian, and I think where we disagree then is on this:

a) I believe without religion, the government wouldn't need to intefere more. Religion is more a spiritual thing than a behavioural thing. I am not religious, nor are most of my friends, neighbours here in Britain. Most of them live honest lives like the next Christian. And we all know of Christians who lie, cheat and steal...

b) I hate to say it, because I want the government to be small and to retain my individual rights. But I would rather have a slightly more intrusive government and no religion because people shouldn't live under the lie of organized religion.

b) I would probably prefer a little more government

[drippinhun]

A strong moral code of conduct does not require a belief in organized religion or a god.

[9sublime]

Couldn't agree more. In fact, it makes people spend more time dealing with the problems of earth than their passage to heaven.

[drippinhun]

Couldn't agree more. In fact, it makes people spend more time dealing with the problems of earth than their passage to heaven.

Ah, but the latter surely satisfies our natural greed instinct more. ;)

[OPGhostdog]

I have always believed that while we're here on earth.
We must step outside of our self-centered self in
order to be prepared for our next form of life.

Which in most cases our lives is carried on through
our children, and their childrens..children. Thereforth
that makes us automatically a part of the up-coming
revolution (which many of us may never see). BUt in
this life we are preparing to contribute something to
making the differences in the future.

So maybe the question is......Are we affaid to get
prepared for the revolution, but the word weak can
be taken in many ways, and to me that would depnds
on a person's mindframe. (Just my opinion)

[Rokerijdude11]

this post was NOT about Religion or GOD although it was mentioned briefly in the second post by the O.P you all have hi-jacked the thread

wht the original poster posted was Excellent. the reader witness first hand the ugliness of discovery.the point at which you realize hey.....wait a minute

what he says in large part in his post is true.a revolution? one only needs to read the responses made by many in posts on this forum to see that answer....a majority of Americans are as you say.....percieving themselves as Patriotic Americans


when in reality the need to be American Patriots a vast difference.in the keep up with the jones's mentality we have bred.......the patriotic americans arent interested in Politics or the government. they are instead interested in Hot tubs, soccer,television, and of course OUTDOING thy neighbors friends and families


Americans have LOST direction and the understanding that this is ALL theirs.......they control it all but have lost site of that and therefore hav lost the power to do that.they blindly allow the custodians of Government do theyre work behind closed doors

there are a VAST number of American Patriots in this country but the number of dumbed down patriotic Americans is easily 10 times the amount........when push comes to shove.............American Patriots will lead the charge........the large question is how many will succumb? and how many will eventually wake up and convert?

[jb_1430]

I have always believed that while we're here on earth.
We must step outside of our self-centered self in
order to be prepared for our next form of life.

Which in most cases our lives is carried on through
our children, and their childrens..children. Thereforth
that makes us automatically a part of the up-coming
revolution (which many of us may never see). BUt in
this life we are preparing to contribute something to
making the differences in the future.



The Palestinians are reall good at that. Training their children to do what the adults are not willing to do. MARK

[9sublime]

That was uncalled for, and its not Palestinians, its the hard core of the Palestinian fighters, not everyday people.

Roker, threads change, morph, the topic changes. I don't see the problem.

[drippinhun]

The Palestinians are reall good at that. Training their children to do what the adults are not willing to do. MARK

So I guess because the indoctrination of hatred taught to Israeli children carries over into adulthood, they have risen above whatever you are talking about?

[jb_1430]

So I guess because the indoctrination of hatred taught to Israeli children carries over into adulthood, they have risen above whatever you are talking about?

Im not aware of this "indoctrination of hatred" taught to Israelis, you speak of. MARK

[Rokerijdude11]

That was uncalled for, and its not Palestinians, its the hard core of the Palestinian fighters, not everyday people.

Roker, threads change, morph, the topic changes. I don't see the problem.

I was Putting it back on topic thanks

[Rokerijdude11]

So I guess because the indoctrination of hatred taught to Israeli children carries over into adulthood, they have risen above whatever you are talking about?

Funny all the Israelis i have met havent had any issues with me and hating me? actually they seem to be drawn to me ?

[drippinhun]

Funny all the Israelis i have met havent had any issues with me and hating me? actually they seem to be drawn to me ?

I didn't know you were Palestinian.

[Justinian]

A strong moral code of conduct does not require a belief in organized religion or a god.

You must be advocating the increasingly secular justic system. On a side note, did you know they took out the ten commandments from the lobbies of many court branches which many of the judges opposed and refused? And your thoughts about the private practice and enterprise of killing born and unborn children? What makes you think our laws are and are still being made under moral principle? They're not because the people that write and introduce them are becoming increasingly immoral and unprincipled. If you are not advocating the justice system, then from where do you derive your discriminant code of morals and how do you suggest we implement it and preserve it into the minds of the public, smart guy? And who will believe in them if they're not somehow handed down from a higher intelligence? The fact is there is no alternative to "Divine Law" because no one will believe or be thorougly restrained by "Natural Law".

[jb_1430]

If you are not advocating the justice system, then from where do you derive your discriminant code of morals and how do you suggest we implement it and preserve it into the minds of the public,

By adopting much the same code because it is beneficial to society as opposed to because it is commanded by God. MARK

[vyo476]

I always thought the justice code was supposed to be derived from our morals, not the other way around. That's why our laws can be changed.

That's how I always looked at the matter.

[drippinhun]

You must be advocating the increasingly secular justic system. On a side note, did you know they took out the ten commandments from the lobbies of many court branches which many of the judges opposed and refused?

The Ten Commandments belong to who? Many of us don't buy into that scheme.

And your thoughts about the private practice and enterprise of killing born and unborn children?

Isn't this a different topic? I personally abhor abortion but understand there are as many situations that are not for me, and especially the government, to be engaged in unless we are willing to commit to supporting that every child is properly feed, clothed, housed and given health care. Are you ready to pay that price? Or better yet, are you frothing to start beheading all those who fail to meet your "moral standards?"

What makes you think our laws are and are still being made under moral principle? They're not because the people that write and introduce them are becoming increasingly immoral and unprincipled. If you are not advocating the justice system, then from where do you derive your discriminant code of morals and how do you suggest we implement it and preserve it into the minds of the public, smart guy?


I find your Old Testament to be savage and brutal and would not care to live under such Talibanish-type rules. Though the Taliban took some counsel from that same book.


And who will believe in them if they're not somehow handed down from a higher intelligence? The fact is there is no alternative to "Divine Law" because no one will believe or be thorougly restrained by "Natural Law".

I don't subscribe to goobygook open to interpretation. And I definately am not going to allow some black or white, Divine vs. Natural Laws become the parameters of defining justice, practicality and necessity when it comes to my country's and my family's existence and survival.

[michaelr]

Americans Unready to Revolt, Despite Revolting Conditions
By Joel S. Hirschhorn

06/16/07 "ICH" -- -- The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal national poll results vividly show a population incredibly dissatisfied with their nation’s political system. In other countries in other times such a depressing level of confidence in government would send a signal to those running the government that a major upheaval is imminent. But not here in the USA. Why?

First, here are the highlights of the poll that surveyed 1,008 adults from June 8-11, with a margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points.

A whopping 68 percent think the country is on the wrong track. Just 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction - the lowest number on that question in nearly 15 years. And most of those with the positive view are probably in the Upper Class.

Bush’s approval rating is at just 29 percent, his lowest mark ever in the survey. Only 62 percent of Republicans approve, versus 32 percent who disapprove. Take Republicans out of the picture and a fifth or less of Americans have a positive view of Bush.

Even worse, only 23 percent approve of the job that Congress is doing. So much for that wonderful new Democratic control of Congress. Bipartisan incompetence is alive and well.

On the economic front, nearly twice as many people think the U.S. is more hurt than helped by the global economy (48 to 25 percent). Globalization does not spread wealth; it channels it to the wealthy, making billionaires out of millionaires.

I have long asserted that Americans live in a delusional democracy with delusional prosperity and these and loads of other data support this view. There is a super wealthy and politically powerful Upper Class that is literally raping the nation. Meanwhile, the huge Lower Class continues to lose economic ground while their elected representatives sell them out to benefit the Upper Class. Yet no rational person thinks that a large fraction of the population is ready to rise up in revolt against the evil status quo political-economic system that so clearly is not serving the interests of the overwhelming majority of Americans. Why not?

For a nation that was built on a revolt against oppressive governance by the British, something has been lost from our political DNA. We apparently no longer have the gene for political rebellion. It has been bred out of most of us. And those of us that urge a Second American Revolution are seen as fringe, nutty subversives.

Part of the genius of our contemporary ruling class elites is that they have engineering a state of political and economic oppression that paradoxically is still embraced by the Lower Class. The rational way to understand this is that ordinary, oppressed Americans are in a deep psychological state of self-delusion. Despite all the empirical, objective evidence of a failed government, they fail to see rebellion opportunities. Many still believe they live in the world’s best democracy. But across all elections considerably less than half the citizens even bother to vote anymore. Yet, as the new NBC/Journal poll results show, people are cognitively aware of just how awful the political-economic system is. Yet they are not feeling enough pain to seriously consider rebellion. And it is visceral pain that must drive people to the daring act of rebellion.

Why is there insufficient pain for revolution? This is a deadly serious issue. What is historically unique about America is that even the most oppressed and unfairly treated people are distracted by affordable materialism, entertainment, sports, gambling, and myriad other aspects of our frivolous, self-absorbed culture. Even failed school and health care systems do not drive people, paying enormous sums to fill up their SUVs, to rebellion. So, Americans are aware of their oppression, but the power elites have successfully drugged them with a plethora of pleasure-producing distractions sufficient to keep them under control. We are free to *****, but too weak to revolt. The Internet has provided a release valve for some pent up anger and frustration. But it too has mostly become another source of distraction, rather than an effective tool for rebellion.

Though these new poll statistics make news, those in control of the political-economic system are not afraid that the population is on the verge of retaking their constitutionally guaranteed sovereign power and take back their nation. Thousands of people like me keep writing books and articles and creating protest groups and events. Those in power just find new, ingenious ways to keep the population distracted – if not through pleasure, then certainly through fear of terrorism. Growing economic insecurity also contributes to self-paralysis, as do never-ending political lies.

What a system.

Even as the population has growing awareness of the dire condition of their nation, the move by the politically powerful on the right and left continues to seek a new immigration law that will solidify the selling out of America. Business interests want more of those fleeing Mexico and other nations to keep wages low. Instead of Mexicans rising up in rebellion against their oppressive government and economic system they escape to the USA. But Americans have no such viable escape solution. Though global warming will certainly make Canada increasingly attractive.

So what do Americans have – other than a terribly bleak future? Where is hope in our dismal world?

In a bizarre twist of history that further illustrates just how impotent Americans have become, virtually all citizens are either unaware of or unreceptive to the ultimate escape route that the Framers of our Constitution gave us. They anticipated that Americans could become quite dissatisfied with the federal government. They feared that the political system could become incredibly corrupted by moneyed interests. They were right.

So here we sit over 200 years after our nation was created unwilling to use what is explicitly given to us in Article V of the Constitution – the option to have a convention outside the control of Congress, the President and the Supreme Court to make proposals for constitutional amendments. Do we really believe in the rule of law? If so, then we should understand that the supreme law of the land – what is in our Constitution – is the ultimate way to obtain the deep political and government reforms to restore true democracy and economic fairness to our society.

Make no mistake: an Article V convention has been stubbornly opposed by virtually all groups with political and economic power. This is most evidenced by the blatant refusal of Congress to obey the Constitution and give us an Article V convention, even though the single explicit requirement for a convention has been met. This fact alone should tell rational people that they are being screwed and oppressed. The rule of law is trumped by the rule of delusion. Our lawmakers are lawbreakers.

Come learn more about the effort to get an Article V convention at www.foavc.org and become a member. Do not keep witnessing the unraveling of American society, voting for lesser evil candidates, and believing the propaganda that putting different Democrats or Republicans in office will actually improve things for most of us. Choose peaceful rebellion by using what our Constitution gives us. Fight self-delusion.

[Joel S. Hirschhorn is the author of Delusional Democracy ( www.delusionaldemocracy.com ); and a founder of Friends of the Article V Convention ( www.foavc.org ).]

[drippinhun]

We were "educated" to be compliant and our bellies are too full to get up in arms to stop a non-responsive government. Next, that government, owned by the billionaires, has already created defenses against a rebellious population that would shock the average person's sensibilities as to how ruthless they will be dealt with.

If after our democracy was blatantly stolen in the 2000 election and not more than a ***** fest occurred, that should have tipped anyone off to whether revolution is in our lifeblood or long lost.

[Irishone21]

If we followed true moral principle, we wouldn't put druggies in prison, nor would we put anyone who is not violent in a prison... The law of our country is like the law of the pharisees, in that in places unbearable restrictions on human life... No can be fully held responsbile for such tyranny, so we don't really do anything about it... We accept the law, as if it is divine, when it is anything but.

[michaelr]

A litle propaganda!!!!!
tCmirt2_eMU

[Abraxis Axis]

We were "educated" to be compliant and our bellies are too full to get up in arms to stop a non-responsive government. Next, that government, owned by the billionaires, has already created defenses against a rebellious population that would shock the average person's sensibilities as to how ruthless they will be dealt with.

If after our democracy was blatantly stolen in the 2000 election and not more than a ***** fest occurred, that should have tipped anyone off to whether revolution is in our lifeblood or long lost.


BullShat

American Patriots are alive and well in this country. these azzholes are scared to death of American Patriots......what the article in large said was all TRUE wake up people the most startlingly true part of what he wrote?
Part of the genius of our contemporary ruling class elites is that they have engineering a state of political and economic oppression that paradoxically is still embraced by the Lower Class. The rational way to understand this is that ordinary, oppressed Americans are in a deep psychological state of self-delusion. Despite all the empirical, objective evidence of a failed government, they fail to see rebellion opportunities. Many still believe they live in the world’s best democracy. But across all elections considerably less than half the citizens even bother to vote anymore. Yet, as the new NBC/Journal poll results show, people are cognitively aware of just how awful the political-economic system is. Yet they are not feeling enough pain to seriously consider rebellion. And it is visceral pain that must drive people to the daring act of rebellion.

Why is there insufficient pain for revolution? This is a deadly serious issue. What is historically unique about America is that even the most oppressed and unfairly treated people are distracted by affordable materialism, entertainment, sports, gambling, and myriad other aspects of our frivolous, self-absorbed culture. Even failed school and health care systems do not drive people, paying enormous sums to fill up their SUVs, to rebellion. So, Americans are aware of their oppression, but the power elites have successfully drugged them with a plethora of pleasure-producing distractions sufficient to keep them under control. We are free to *****, but too weak to revolt. The Internet has provided a release valve for some pent up anger and frustration. But it too has mostly become another source of distraction, rather than an effective tool for rebellion.


what we need to do is wake up the herds of sleeping americans who have been drugged by the trppings mentioned in this article. this article is superb it tells it as it is american wake up

also pay attention to what drippinhun said you all should have know it was time for revolt in 2000 when the Fokcs stole the elections americans really do need to wake up it is spiraling out of control and it is "WE THE PEOPLE" who are ultimaty responsible to correct it

we do have the power granted to us both by the decleration of independence and article 5 of the constitution michaelr thanks for posting this it is dead on right...

[michaelr]

The Patriots
By Dr. Bob Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret.
The United States is in trouble. We're in danger of becoming a fascist dictatorship where big government and big business combine to rule, and where the people are considered just a source of labor. The marriage of government and the investor class has succeeded in exporting our jobs, importing illegal aliens to provide a pool of cheap labor, and thus driving down wages for all American workers and destroying the middle class. Their foreign and military policies have led us into unnecessary wars of aggression to gain raw materials and enhance profits of the global robber barons. Their trade policies have resulted in capital flight, job loss, trade deficits, and the ownership of much of our infrastructure by foreign interests.

We've gotten into this fix because our presidents, of both parties, have been servants of the global investors, and because our representatives in Congress, again of both parties, have abdicated their Constitutional responsibilities and subjected themselves to an imperial presidency.
A "patriot" is defined as one who loves, supports, and defends his country. The Latin and Greek roots refer to "father." If, for a moment, we ignore the sexist nature of the ancient civilizations giving birth to the word, it is clear that to be a "patriot" is to have a parental love for the people of one's tribe or nation. One cannot have a "patriotic love" for the corporations in one's country or for its military-industrial complex, only for its people. Clearly then, those in our government who have served their corporate masters to the detriment of the people are not patriots, and have no claim to the word. The vast majority of Americans love our country in ways that equate to service to the people. We are the patriots.

Our Declaration of Independence and Constitution make it clear that the whole purpose of government is to serve and protect the people.. Ours is a government designed to be "of the people, by the people, and for the people." We, the Patriots, have a right and a duty to demand and to secure such a government. If those in power will not fulfill their Constitutional duty to serve the people, then we must remove them and replace them with those who will.

We, the People of the United States of America , deserve better than we have been getting.

We must demand a government which
(1) follows the Constitution,
(2) honors the truth, and
(3) serves the people.

We Patriots can bring about such a government by electing Patriots to Congress and recruiting Patriots already in government to our cause. It is always tempting to start yet another political party, but our system makes such a course futile. Until we have instant runoff voting (IRV), proportional representation, real campaign finance reform, re-regulation of the media, and debates involving all political parties, no third party can win the presidency or more than a handful of seats in Congress.


Accordingly, "The Patriots" is not a political party, but a nonpartisan organization of patriotic Americans seeking to return our country to Constitutional government based on truth and in service of the people. For now, we operate as a project of the non-profit Institute for Space and Security Studies, a 501c(3) organization. Our immediate mission is to educate the American people on the issues. In the future, we may form a "Patriot PAC" to support candidates for public office and to promote specific legislation. We also intend to form a Patriot Caucus including members of Congress from all political parties. However, for now we are concentrating on public education.

The first question usually raised is, "Is this organization conservative or liberal?" The answer to that question is, "Yes." We have both conservative and liberal members, and both conservative and liberal ideas. But mostly, we are just patriotic Americans embodying the best of both conservatism and liberalism in the service of the American people. Few Patriots will agree with all of the following positions, but all ascribe to the basic devotion to Constitution, truth, and service to the people. That is what is important. The specific policy positions below are mine alone. I see them as a good basis for further discussion. They are all anathema to those currently in power.

We Patriots are "conservative" inasmuch as we are devoted to the Constitution, to limited government, and to fiscal responsibility.
As conservatives, we oppose NAFTA, the WTO, and the SPP /NAU as being contrary to our sovereignty, antidemocratic, and against the interests of the American people. We support the 2 nd Amendment right of the people to bear arms in order to deter and, if necessary, resist tyranny. We oppose illegal immigration and "amnesty" as means by which the corporate elite exploit immigrants and depress the wages of all working Americans. We oppose the intrusion of government in our religious and private lives. We oppose our nation becoming entangled in foreign military ventures not essential to our national security.

As conservatives, we define "national security" narrowly, meaning the protection of our nation, our borders, and our people - and excluding the financial "interests" of multinational corporations and global investors. This is not isolationism, for we support international law and the creation of international institutions which serve the needs of humankind by promoting cooperation on global issues such as disease, pollution, and warfare which do not respect national boundaries. We want the United States to be a responsible, respected member of the family of nations. But we will not seek imperial expansion through aggressive wars to make client states. Nor will we surrender our sovereignty to "trade organizations" like the WTO seeking to turn us into a third world country.

As conservatives, we support our military, including our veterans who have served and survived. We insist that our government fully fund the VA and fulfill its responsibility to care for our veterans and their families. We also are determined that our government honor promises made to veterans and our retired military members. To make thousands of disabled veterans in corporate wars and then refuse to take care of them is unacceptable, unconscionable, and un-American. We believe that history has shown that combat veterans govern better than draft dodgers and chicken hawks. Those who have experienced the horrors of combat are less likely to send our sons and daughters off to fight wars for the oil companies.

As conservatives, we will not tolerate "borrow and spend" government, which saddles our grandchildren with trillions in debt and gives China the ability to bankrupt us at will. We demand a return to balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility.

As conservatives, Patriots oppose a closed, manipulative, and secretive government, and demand the truth from our elected officials. We will not tolerate " Gulf of Tonkin " incidents as excuses for war. We reject the deceptions which involved us in the first Gulf War under George H. W. Bush and in the rape of Yugoslavia under Clinton . We abhor the lies about WMD, "yellow cake," and "mushroom clouds over New York " which got us into the 2 nd Iraq War and its interminable and disastrous occupation.

As conservatives, we call for a "Sunshine Law" which will make conspiratorial meetings like that between Dick Cheney and Ken Lay on energy policy impossible (or at least illegal). We reject as totally inadequate the Kean-Hamilton-Zelikow 9/11 Commission Report which admittedly contains perjured testimony, refrains from assigning responsibility and accountability for our defense's failures, and fails to even address dozens of unanswered questions and obvious flaws in the Bush Administration's official story. We therefore demand a new and truly independent investigation of 9/11. We demand an investigation of the cover-up which followed 9/11 involving the confiscation and destruction of evidence, lying to investigators, and obstruction of justice. Finally, we demand an investigation of the exploitation of the 9/11 tragedy to launch unnecessary wars against Afghanistan and Iraq under false pretenses.

The rest of the article (http://thepatriots.us/)

[jb_1430]

"impending police state"
"shocking corruptions of our government"
"the downfall of democracy"
"the tyrannical majority"
"our news served up by agenda pushing pukes that have sold their integrity for their 8 pieces of silver"
"delusional democracy with delusional prosperity"
"powerful Upper Class that is literally raping the nation".
"a state of political and economic oppression"
"oppressed Americans are in a deep psychological state of self-delusion"
"failed government"
"failed school and health care systems"
"the power elites have successfully drugged them with a plethora of pleasure-producing distractions sufficient to keep them under control"
"dire condition of their nation"
"the selling out of America"
"a terribly bleak future"
"like the law of the pharisees"
"unbearable restrictions on human life"
"danger of becoming a fascist dictatorship"
"destroying the middle class"
"an imperial presidency"
"imperial expansion through aggressive wars to make client states."
"WTO seeking to turn us into a third world country."



Let me guess. You want to be more like France. MARK

[michaelr]

Keeping the thread alive....