What Every REAL American Should Know

[Justinian]

To my Americans,

I am an avid follower of politics and have been for multiple years now; but, ironically, I never officially decided on a President I could call my thorough admirer and personal advocate. I thought about Reagan, having great qualities I agreed with and admired and I thought about Andrew Jackson, having the same integrity but with different considerations. It was not until I discovered this speech Theodore Roosevelt gave, which, persuaded me to conclude he was my favorite of all time. This does not mean he is our most important past president or most accomplished (even though I would argue his candidacy how ever falling short of others) but I argue he is the American Icon. The voice of the true American in its entirety and the man with the virtues I most closely follow.

As for this speech, the reason why I thought it was important for every American to read it is because it performs as 'The American's Bible' on Who an American is and How an American should live. It is probably the most inspiring, aspiring, sober, decisively correct speech I ever read an American President write. Reading it gives you the impression Roosevelt knew what the hell he was talking about and how much of a cut-to-the-chase no-nonsense kind of man he was. I also posted it to remind us Americans who are wise enough to read its entirety of who we are and what we stand for. I posted it to inspire amd reinforce the wavering man and give him the courage and reason to denounce other Americans who are misled into the trap of hopelessness, disillusionment, immorality and paranoia.

I hope this speech has impressed its virtues on at least one of you and if it did, this short un-repliable post would then have been not all for nothing.

For the Home of the Brave,
Paul Kenneth Merring

[Segep]

What speech? How can we read it if you don't tell us which one it is?



Jackson? lol. Unsurprising.

[Justinian]

IN speaking to you, men of the greatest city of the West, men of the State which gave to the country Lincoln and Grant, men who preeminently and distinctly embody all that is most American in the American character, I wish to preach, not the doctrine of ignoble ease, but the doctrine of the strenuous life, the life of toil and effort, of labor and strife; to preach that highest form of success which comes, not to the man who desires mere easy peace, but to the man who does not shrink from danger, from hardship, or from bitter toil, and who out of these wins the splendid ultimate triumph. A life of slothful ease, a life of that peace which springs merely from lack either of desire or of power to strive after great things, is as little worthy of a nation as of an individual. I ask only that what every self-respecting American demands from himself and from his sons shall be demanded of the American nation as a whole. Who among you would teach your boys that ease, that peace, is to be the first consideration in their eyes - to be the ultimate goal after which they strive? You men of Chicago have made this city great, you men of: Illinois have done your share, and more than your share, in making America great, because you neither preach nor practise such a doctrine. You work yourselves, and you bring up your sons to work. If you are rich and are worth your salt, you will teach your sons that though they may have leisure, it is not to be spent in idleness; for wisely used leisure merely means that those who possess it, being free from the necessity of working for their livelihood, are all the more bound to carry on some kind of non-remunerative work in science, in letters, in art, in exploration, in historical research - work of the type we most need in this country, the successful carrying out of which reflects most honor upon the nation.


We do not admire the man of timid peace. We admire the man who embodies victorious effort; the man who never wrongs his neighbor, who is prompt to help a friend, but who has those virile qualities necessary to win in the stern strife of actual life. It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. In this life we get nothing save by effort. Freedom from effort in the present merely means that there has been stored up effort in the past. A man can be freed from the necessity of work only by the fact that he or his fathers before him have worked to good purpose. If the freedom thus purchased is used aright, and the man still does actual work, though of a different kind, whether as a writer or a general, whether in the field of politics or in the field of exploration and adventure, he shows he deserves his good fortune. But if he treats this period of freedom from the need of actual labor as a period, not of preparation, but of mere enjoyment, even though perhaps not of vicious enjoyment, he shows that he is simply a cumberer of the earth's surface, and he surely unfits himself to hold his own with his fellows if the need to do so should again arise. A mere life of ease is not in the end a very satisfactory life, and, above all, it is a life which ultimately unfits those who follow it for serious work in the world.

In the last analysis a healthy state can exist only when the men and women who make it up lead clean, vigorous, healthy lives; when the children are so trained that they shall endeavor, not to shirk difficulties, but to overcome them; not to seek ease, but to know how to wrest triumph from toil and risk. The man must be glad to do a man's work, to dare and endure and to labor; to keep himself, and to keep those dependent upon him. The woman must be the housewife, the helpmeet of the homemaker, the wise and fearless mother of many healthy children. In one of Daudet's powerful and melancholy books he speaks of "the fear of maternity, the haunting terror of the young wife of the present day." When such words can be truthfully written of a nation, that nation is rotten to the heart's core. When men fear work or fear righteous war, when women fear motherhood, they tremble on the brink of doom; and well it is that they should vanish from the earth, where they are fit subjects for the scorn of all men and women who are themselves strong and brave and high-minded.

As it is with the individual, so it is with the nation. It is a base untruth to say that happy is the nation that has no history. Thrice happy is the nation that has a glorious history. Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat. If in 1861 the men who loved the Union had believed that peace was the end of all things, and war and strife the worst of all things, and had acted up to their belief, we would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, we would have saved hundreds of millions of dollars. Moreover, besides saving all the blood and treasure we then lavished, we would have prevented the heartbreak of many women, the dissolution of many homes, and we would have spared the country those months of gloom and shame when it seemed as if our armies marched only to defeat. We could have avoided all this suffering simply by shrinking from strife. And if we had thus avoided it, we would have shown that we were weaklings, and that we were unfit to stand among the great nations of the earth. Thank God for the iron in the blood of our fathers, the men who upheld the wisdom of Lincoln, and bore sword or rifle in the armies of Grant!


Let us, the children of the men who proved themselves equal to the mighty days, let us, the children of the men who carried the great Civil War to a triumphant conclusion, praise the God of our- fathers that the ignoble counsels of peace were rejected; that the suffering and loss, the blackness of sorrow and despair, were unflinchingly faced, and the years of strife endured; for in the end the slave was freed, the Union restored, and the mighty American republic placed once more as a helmeted queen among nations. We of this generation do not have to face a task such as that our fathers faced, but we have our tasks, and woe to us if we fail to perform them! We cannot, if we would, play the part of China, and be content to rot by inches in ignoble ease within our borders, taking no interest in what goes on beyond them, sunk in a scrambling commercialism; heedless of the higher life, the life of aspiration, of toil and risk, busying ourselves only with the wants of our bodies for the day, until suddenly we should find, beyond a shadow of question, what China has already found, that in this world the nation that has trained itself to a career of unwarlike and isolated ease is bound, in the end, to go down before other nations which have not lost the manly and adventurous qualities. If we are to be a really great people, we must strive in good faith to play a great part in the world. We cannot avoid meeting great issues. All that we can determine for ourselves is whether we shall meet them well or ill.

[Justinian]

In 1898 we could not help being brought face to face with the problem of war with Spain. All we could decide was whether we should shrink like cowards from the contest, or enter into it as beseemed a brave and high-spirited people; and, once in, whether failure or success should crown our banners. So it is now. We cannot avoid the responsibilities that confront us in Hawaii, Cuba, Porto Rico, and the Philippines. All we can decide is whether we shall meet them in a way that will redound to the national credit, or whether we shall make of our dealings with these new problems a dark and shameful page in our history. To refuse to deal with them at all merely amounts to dealing with them badly. We have a given problem to solve. If we undertake the solution, there is, of course, always danger that we may not solve it aright; but to refuse to undertake the solution simply renders it certain that we cannot possibly solve it aright. The timid man, the lazy man, the man who distrusts his country, the over-civilized man, who has lost the great fighting, masterful virtues, the ignorant man, and the man of dull mind, whose soul is incapable of feeling the mighty lift that thrills "stern men with empires in their brains"—all these, of course, shrink from seeing the nation undertake its new duties; shrink from seeing us build a navy and an army adequate to our needs; shrink from seeing us do our share of the world's work, by bringing order out of chaos in the great, fair tropic islands from which the valor of our soldiers and sailors has driven the Spanish flag. These are the men who fear the strenuous life, who fear the only national life which is really worth leading. They believe in that cloistered life which saps the hardy virtues in a nation, as it saps them in the individual; or else they are wedded to that base spirit of gain and greed which recognizes in commercialism the be-all and end-all of national life, instead of realizing that, though an indispensable element, it is, after all, but one of the many elements that go to make up true national greatness.


No country can long endure if its foundations are not laid deep in the material prosperity which comes from thrift, from business energy and enterprise, from hard, unsparing effort in the fields of industrial activity; but neither was any nation ever yet truly great if it relied upon material prosperity alone. All honor must be paid to the architects of our material prosperity, to the great captains of industry who have built our factories and our railroads, to the strong men who toil for wealth with brain or hand; for great is the debt of the nation to these and their kind. But our debt is yet greater to the men whose highest type is to be found in a statesman like Lincoln, a soldier like Grant. They showed by their lives that they recognized the law of work, the law of strife; they toiled to win a competence for themselves and those dependent upon them; but they recognized that there were yet other and even loftier duties—duties to the nation and duties to the race. We cannot sit huddled within our own borders and avow ourselves merely an assemblage of well-to-do hucksters who care nothing for what happens beyond. Such a policy would defeat even its own end; for as the nations grow to have ever wider and wider interests, and are brought into closer and closer contact, if we are to hold our own in the struggle for naval and commercial supremacy, we must build up our power without our own borders. We must build the isthmian canal, and we must grasp the points of vantage which will enable us to have our say in deciding the destiny of the oceans of the East and the West.


So much for the commercial side. From the standpoint of international honor the argument is even stronger. The guns that thundered off Manila and Santiago left us echoes of glory, but they also left us a legacy of duty. If we drove out a medieval tyranny only to make room for savage anarchy, we had better not have begun the task at all. It is worse than idle to say that we have no duty to perform, and can leave to their fates the islands we have conquered. Such a course would be the course of infamy. It would be followed at once by utter chaos in the wretched islands themselves. Some stronger, manlier power would have to step in and do the work, and we would have shown ourselves weaklings, unable to carry to successful completion the labors that great and high-spirited nations are eager to undertake.


The work must be done; we cannot escape our responsibility; and if we are worth our salt, we shall be glad of the chance to do the work—glad of the chance to show ourselves equal to one of the great tasks set modern civilization. But let us not deceive ourselves as to the importance of the task. Let us not be misled by vainglory into underestimating the strain it will put on our powers. Above all, let us, as we value our own self-respect, face the responsibilities with proper seriousness, courage, and high resolve. We must demand the highest order of integrity and ability in our public men who are to grapple with these new problems. We must hold to a rigid accountability those public servants who show unfaithfulness to the interests of the nation or inability to rise to the high level of the new demands upon our strength and our resources. 8
Of course we must remember not to judge any public servant by any one act, and especially should we beware of attacking the men who are merely the occasions and not the causes of disaster.


Let me illustrate what I mean by the army and the navy. If twenty years ago we had gone to war, we should have found the navy as absolutely unprepared as the army. At that time our ships could not have encountered with success the fleets of Spain any more than nowadays we can put untrained soldiers, no matter how brave, who are armed with archaic black-powder weapons, against well-drilled regulars armed with the highest type of modern repeating rifle. But in the early eighties the attention of the nation became directed to our naval needs. Congress most wisely made a series of appropriations to build up a new navy, and under a succession of able and patriotic secretaries, of both political parties, the navy was gradually built up, until its material became equal to its splendid personnel, with the result that in the summer of 1898 it leaped to its proper place as one of the most brilliant and formidable fighting navies in the entire world. We rightly pay all honor to the men controlling the navy at the time it won these great deeds, honor to Secretary Long and Admiral Dewey, to the captains who handled the ships in action, to the daring lieutenants who braved death in the smaller craft, and to the heads of bureaus at Washington who saw that the ships were so commanded, so armed, so equipped, so well engined, as to insure the best results.


But let us also keep ever in mind that all of this would not have availed if it had not been for the wisdom of the men who during the preceding fifteen years had built up the navy. Keep in mind the secretaries of the navy during those years; keep in mind the senators and congressmen who by their votes gave the money necessary to build and to armor the ships, to construct the great guns, and to train the crews; remember also those who actually did build the ships, the armor, and the guns; and remember the admirals and captains who handled battle-ship, cruiser, and torpedo-boat on the high seas, alone and in squadrons, developing the seamanship, the gunnery, and the power of acting together, which their successors utilized so gloriously at Manila and off Santiago. And, gentlemen, remember the converse, too. Remember that justice has two sides. Be just to those who built up the navy, and, for the sake of the future of the country, keep in mind those who opposed its building up. Read the "Congressional Record." Find out the senators and congressmen who opposed the grants for building the new ships; who opposed the purchase of armor, without which the ships were worthless; who opposed any adequate maintenance for the Navy Department, and strove to cut down the number of men necessary to man our fleets. The men who did these things were one and all working to bring disaster on the country. They have no share in the glory of Manila, in the honor of Santiago. They have no cause to feel proud of the valor of our sea-captains, of the renown of our flag. Their motives may or may not have been good, but their acts were heavily fraught with evil. They did ill for the national honor, and we won in spite of their sinister opposition.


Now, apply all this to our public men of to-day. Our army has never been built up as it should be built up. I shall not discuss with an audience like this the puerile suggestion that a nation of seventy millions of freemen is in danger of losing its liberties from the existence of an army of one hundred thousand men, three fourths of whom will be employed in certain foreign islands, in certain coast fortresses, and on Indian reservations. No man of good sense and stout heart can take such a proposition seriously. If we are such weaklings as the proposition implies, then we are unworthy of freedom in any event. To no body of men in the United States is the country so much indebted as to the splendid officers and enlisted men of the regular army and navy. There is no body from which the country has less to fear, and none of which it should be prouder, none which it should be more anxious to upbuild. 10

[Justinian]

Our army needs complete reorganization,—not merely enlarging,—and the reorganization can only come as the result of legislation. A proper general staff should be established, and the positions of ordnance, commissary, and quartermaster officers should be filled by detail from the line. Above all, the army must be given the chance to exercise in large bodies. Never again should we see, as we saw in the Spanish war, major-generals in command of divisions who had never before commanded three companies together in the field. Yet, incredible to relate, Congress has shown a queer inability to learn some of the lessons of the war. There were large bodies of men in both branches who opposed the declaration of war, who opposed the ratification of peace, who opposed the upbuilding of the army, and who even opposed the purchase of armor at a reasonable price for the battle-ships and cruisers, thereby putting an absolute stop to the building of any new fighting-ships for the navy. If, during the years to come, any disaster should befall our arms, afloat or ashore, and thereby any shame come to the United States, remember that the blame will lie upon the men whose names appear upon the roll-calls of Congress on the wrong side of these great questions. On them will lie the burden of any loss of our soldiers and sailors, of any dishonor to the flag; and upon you and the people of this country will lie the blame if you do not repudiate, in no unmistakable way, what these men have done. The blame will not rest upon the untrained commander of untried troops, upon the civil officers of a department the organization of which has been left utterly inadequate, or upon the admiral with an insufficient number of ships; but upon the public men who have so lamentably failed in forethought as to refuse to remedy these evils long in advance, and upon the nation that stands behind those public men. 11


So, at the present hour, no small share of the responsibility for the blood shed in the Philippines, the blood of our brothers, and the blood of their wild and ignorant foes, lies at the thresholds of those who so long delayed the adoption of the treaty of peace, and of those who by their worse than foolish words deliberately invited a savage people to plunge into a war fraught with sure disaster for them—a war, too, in which our own brave men who follow the flag must pay with their blood for the silly, mock humanitarianism of the prattlers who sit at home in peace. 12
The army and the navy are the sword and the shield which this nation must carry if she is to do her duty among the nations of the earth—if she is not to stand merely as the China of the western hemisphere. Our proper conduct toward the tropic islands we have wrested from Spain is merely the form which our duty has taken at the moment. Of course we are bound to handle the affairs of our own household well. We must see that there is civic honesty, civic cleanliness, civic good sense in our home administration of city, State, and nation. We must strive for honesty in office, for honesty toward the creditors of the nation and of the individual; for the widest freedom of individual initiative where possible, and for the wisest control of individual initiative where it is hostile to the welfare of the many. But because we set our own household in order we are not thereby excused from playing our part in the great affairs of the world. A man's first duty is to his own home, but he is not thereby excused from doing his duty to the State; for if he fails in this second duty it is under the penalty of ceasing to be a freeman. In the same way, while a nation's first duty is within its own borders, it is not thereby absolved from facing its duties in the world as a whole; and if it refuses to do so, it merely forfeits its right to struggle for a place among the peoples that shape the destiny of mankind. 13


In the West Indies and the Philippines alike we are confronted by most difficult problems. It is cowardly to shrink from solving them in the proper way; for solved they must be, if not by us, then by some stronger and more manful race. If we are too weak, too selfish, or too foolish to solve them, some bolder and abler people must undertake the solution. Personally, I am far too firm a believer in the greatness of my country and the power of my countrymen to admit for one moment that we shall ever be driven to the ignoble alternative. 14
The problems are different for the different islands. Porto Rico is not large enough to stand alone. We must govern it wisely and well, primarily in the interest of its own people. Cuba is, in my judgment, entitled ultimately to settle for itself whether it shall be an independent state or an integral portion of the mightiest of republics. But until order and stable liberty are secured, we must remain in the island to insure them, and infinite tact, judgment, moderation, and courage must be shown by our military and civil representatives in keeping the island pacified, in relentlessly stamping out brigandage, in protecting all alike, and yet in showing proper recognition to the men who have fought for Cuban liberty. The Philippines offer a yet graver problem. Their population includes half-caste and native Christians, warlike Moslems, and wild pagans. Many of their people are utterly unfit for self-government, and show no signs of becoming fit. Others may in time become fit but at present can only take part in self-government under a wise supervision, at once firm and beneficent. We have driven Spanish tyranny from the islands. If we now let it be replaced by savage anarchy, our work has been for harm and not for good. I have scant patience with those who fear to undertake the task of governing the Philippines, and who openly avow that they do fear to undertake it, or that they shrink from it because of the expense and trouble; but I have even scanter patience with those who make a pretense of humanitarianism to hide and cover their timidity, and who cant about "liberty" and the "consent of the governed," in order to excuse themselves for their unwillingness to play the part of men. Their doctrines, if carried out, would make it incumbent upon us to leave the Apaches of Arizona to work out their own salvation, and to decline to interfere in a single Indian reservation. Their doctrines condemn your forefathers and mine for ever having settled in these United States. 15


England's rule in India and Egypt has been of great benefit to England, for it has trained up generations of men accustomed to look at the larger and loftier side of public life. It has been of even greater benefit to India and Egypt. And finally, and most of all, it has advanced the cause of civilization. So, if we do our duty aright in the Philippines, we will add to that national renown which is the highest and finest part of national life, will greatly benefit the people of the Philippine Islands, and, above all, we will play our part well in the great work of uplifting mankind. But to do this work, keep ever in mind that we must show in a very high degree the qualities of courage, of honesty, and of good judgment. Resistance must be stamped out. The first and all-important work to be done is to establish the supremacy of our flag. We must put down armed resistance before we can accomplish anything else, and there should be no parleying, no faltering, in dealing with our foe. As for those in our own country who encourage the foe, we can afford contemptuously to disregard them; but it must be remembered that their utterances are not saved from being treasonable merely by the fact that they are despicable. 16


When once we have put down armed resistance, when once our rule is acknowledged, then an even more difficult task will begin, for then we must see to it that the islands are administered with absolute honesty and with good judgment. If we let the public service of the islands be turned into the prey of the spoils politician, we shall have begun to tread the path which Spain trod to her own destruction. We must send out there only good and able men, chosen for their fitness, and not because of their partizan service, and these men must not only administer impartial justice to the natives and serve their own government with honesty and fidelity, but must show the utmost tact and firmness, remembering that, with such people as those with whom we are to deal, weakness is the greatest of crimes, and that next to weakness comes lack of consideration for their principles and prejudices. 17


I preach to you, then, my countrymen, that our country calls not for the life of ease but for the life of strenuous endeavor. The twentieth century looms before us big with the fate of many nations. If we stand idly by, if we seek merely swollen, slothful ease and ignoble peace, if we shrink from the hard contests where men must win at hazard of their lives and at the risk of all they hold dear, then the bolder and stronger peoples will pass us by, and will win for themselves the domination of the world. Let us therefore boldly face the life of strife, resolute to do our duty well and manfully; resolute to uphold righteousness by deed and by word; resolute to be both honest and brave, to serve high ideals, yet to use practical methods. Above all, let us shrink from no strife, moral or physical, within or without the nation, provided we are certain that the strife is justified, for it is only through strife, through hard and dangerous endeavor, that we shall ultimately win the goal of true national greatness.

[lipmonkey]

With all due respect I don't really care how someone else wants me to think.:)

[Segep]

I meant post a LINK not the whole SPEECH


But thanks

[Segep]

Their doctrines, if carried out, would make it incumbent upon us to leave the Apaches of Arizona to work out their own salvation, and to decline to interfere in a single Indian reservation.

Letting people run their own lives? What a dangerous concept!

[Justinian]

Letting people run their own lives? What a dangerous concept!

Who gives a f- what you think you Pelosi-Backing, Fudge-Packing faggot. Besides, this speech will not start a debate; it was never its intention to start a debate. Be foolish cowardly morons if you want folks but this is one of the Great American speeches and it's as true today just as it was when it was written.

[lipmonkey]

Why do we have to listen to this hate spewing prick?

[qalam]

Teddy, huh? Look at a pic of him--that speech fits him--long winded. How does he know who supports who, did he ask? Sorry, if I missed the important stuff.

[lipmonkey]

Who gives a f- what you think you Pelosi-Backing, Fudge-Packing faggot. Besides, this speech will not start a debate; it was never its intention to start a debate. Be foolish cowardly morons if you want folks but this is one of the Great American speeches and it's as true today just as it was when it was written.

That speech is nothing but bull**** and and you wouldn't know a good speech if you had to wipe your ass with one. The best part of you brain run down your mothers leg and I'm getting sick of your ****.Grow up.:mad:

[Segep]

Who gives a f- what you think you Pelosi-Backing, Fudge-Packing faggot. Besides, this speech will not start a debate; it was never its intention to start a debate. Be foolish cowardly morons if you want folks but this is one of the Great American speeches and it's as true today just as it was when it was written.

What makes you think I listen to Pelosi?

[Segep]

eh. Like water off a duck's back.


I've got kindergarteners who come up with better insults than that.

[lipmonkey]

Who gives a f- what you think you Pelosi-Backing, Fudge-Packing faggot. Besides, this speech will not start a debate; it was never its intention to start a debate. Be foolish cowardly morons if you want folks but this is one of the Great American speeches and it's as true today just as it was when it was written.

And furthermore, you are an embarrassment to what a real American stands for.

[Justinian]

Why do we have to listen to this hate spewing prick?

Ah HA HA HA HA HA. I'm the hate spewer? You showed contempt for something you haven't read yet. Who would ever listen to someone who hastily and blatantly shows a contemptuous lack of character like you. Who? No one. I will of course reserve my complete opinion on yourself but so far you have not shown me to be someone who is very wise but only someone so arrogant as to pass judgement on something before it is even posted. You are on the defense for something you have not read yet. Anyhow in case you didn't know, your own thoughts are only the products of others which you have inherently encapsulated into your own. Of course this is a base truth of human nature and is how we judge what we do and moreover become who we are. In other words, you cannot think anything unless you are given information to conclude with and entrench your own opinion. But this is not about how people learn and how pathetic a behavior that is. This post was not meant to start a debate and I did not post this brilliant unequalled speech to become another base meaningless piece of dribble on the conveyor belt of criticism. This speech is the true explanation of what American greatness really means and TR was absolutely right. If you don't think so and believe you are wiser than Teddy Roosevelt, the very man that crafted and guided America into a World Power and a true residence of virtue and great people, you are not a REAL American but just another new protagonist against the true American way of life that designed and built this country out of nothing from the very beginning.

[Justinian]

What makes you think I listen to Pelosi?

Well, my hat off to you if you don't. But she HAS always been the advocate for homo-sexuals.

[Justinian]

eh. Like water off a duck's back.


I've got kindergarteners who come up with better insults than that.

I'm not surprised you have homosexual fortitude. It's required to publically live your life.

[qalam]

JUst--you take someone elses thoughts and then accuse others of doing the same. Must be great being a superior being.

[lipmonkey]

I forgot more than you will ever know justinian.You don't like a taste of your medicine do you? Other than click and paste you haven't had an original thought since I started reading your 3rd grade structured sentences.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Get a life.;)

[qalam]

I'm not surprised you have homosexual fortitude. It's required to publically live your life.

Do you get paid to spout hate?

[Segep]

OK, I'll bite.

What's homosexual fortitude? Not using lube?

[Justinian]

Qalam, lipmonkey and Segep. Three cloistered stooges. I'm starting to get an idea of who the despicable players are on this forum. I suggest to Lipmoney and Qalam to read this speech and use your brains. I don't think any of you have a clue to what in a country is inherently valuable and worth fighting for. If Americans will refuse to understand the sacraid institutions of this country, then like TR said, we cannot by that same fact be capable to indefinitely lead and defend this country with and against the nations of the earth. That's the truth of it and TR is completely right 100%. I don't say that because I'm advocating the opinion of one president but I write this because it's the truth and what is used to design and build great nations that helps to make life worth living. If you don't agree, it's simply because you've voluntarily or involunatarily been conditioned to believe otherwise through some poor despicable souls richer and more influential than yourself whom are looking to recruit believers to further expand their BS decietful agenda for their own personal gain. It is not for the benefit of yourself or the nation's. Believe what you want to narrowmindedly believe. But there's only one truth and everything else is misleading BS.

[Justinian]

Do you get paid to spout hate?

Everything I say on this forum is derived from politics and has more meaning than you think. I am not one the sheep that hates homosexuality but isn't smart enough to know why. I am one of the people that reaffirms to those by illustration how their prejudices were right.

[Segep]

there's only one truth and everything else is misleading BS.

"That is why you fail"
-Yoda

[qalam]

First of all, Bubba, you do not know me for anyone else. Second I do think for myself I do not need some half-witted pee brain to quote me a backstabbing prick and tell me it is the truth. A cloistered stooge--that one must have burnt a few brains cells trying to come up with, believe you cannot spare them.

[lipmonkey]

Qalam, lipmonkey and Segep. Three cloistered stooges. I'm starting to get an idea of who the despicable players are on this forum. I suggest to Lipmoney and Qalam to read this speech and use your brains. I don't think any of you have a clue to what in a country is inherently valuable and worth fighting for. If Americans will refuse to understand the sacraid institutions of this country, then like TR said, we cannot by that same fact be capable to indefinitely lead and defend this country with and against the nations of the earth. That's the truth of it and TR is completely right 100%. I don't say that because I'm advocating the opinion of one president but I write this because it's the truth and what is used to design and build great nations that helps to make life worth living. If you don't agree, it's simply because you've voluntarily or involunatarily been conditioned to believe otherwise through some poor despicable souls richer and more influential than yourself whom are looking to recruit believers to further expand their BS decietful agenda for their own personal gain. It is not for the benefit of yourself or the nation's. Believe what you want to narrowmindedly believe. But there's only one truth and everything else is misleading BS.

Get down off the box before you hurt yourself numbnuts.I've set back and watch you drive every international poster off this board with you hate speeches when they actually had something worth listening to for comments.

Instead we are stuck with your babbling nitwit views of what you think a white America should look like. We can do without people like you with your racist views. You are the type of person we should be deporting.

[Segep]

Cloistered? Who's the one who likes to hang out with "Anglos"?

[lipmonkey]

Qalam, lipmonkey and Segep. Three cloistered stooges. I'm starting to get an idea of who the despicable players are on this forum. I suggest to Lipmoney and Qalam to read this speech and use your brains. I don't think any of you have a clue to what in a country is inherently valuable and worth fighting for. If Americans will refuse to understand the sacraid institutions of this country, then like TR said, we cannot by that same fact be capable to indefinitely lead and defend this country with and against the nations of the earth. That's the truth of it and TR is completely right 100%. I don't say that because I'm advocating the opinion of one president but I write this because it's the truth and what is used to design and build great nations that helps to make life worth living. If you don't agree, it's simply because you've voluntarily or involunatarily been conditioned to believe otherwise through some poor despicable souls richer and more influential than yourself whom are looking to recruit believers to further expand their BS decietful agenda for their own personal gain. It is not for the benefit of yourself or the nation's. Believe what you want to narrowmindedly believe. But there's only one truth and everything else is misleading BS.

And for the record you have no right to quote anything Theodore Roosevelt ever said.:p

[mustardayonnaise]

I really don't see why everyone has to bash Justinian so much, it's obvious to me that he's here so everyone else can verify their own sanity by comparison to his posts...is "despicable" his new word for the week or something?

[lipmonkey]

Justinian is getting taught a lesson on how other posters feel when he attacks them.;)

[Justinian]

Get down off the box before you hurt yourself numbnuts.I've set back and watch you drive every international poster off this board with you hate speeches when they actually had something worth listening to for comments.

Instead we are stuck with your babbling nitwit views of what you think a white America should look like. We can do without people like you with your racist views. You are the type of person we should be deporting.

Good comeback. It's easy to attack the person who initiates a political stance than make one of your own and wait to defend it. You make me sick. You haven't said one damn intelligent thing so far and yet profess yourself to be of higher moral intelligence when it's really a bunch of bs crafted into a mechanism to discredit my carefully though-out opinions you wouldn't even dare inquire about. And what exactly do you mean by international? Are you insinuating non-American citizens have a valid opinion of our history and domestic affairs? I never intended on attracting, let alone listening to non-american voices regarding national history and politics. Why don't you actually try writing someone with even half-hearted intelligence for others to comment on than denouncing REAL opinions in a stupid elementary way. I am already close to being convinced you really have no political knowledge, let alone opinion which is why you continue with these brainless statements at attacking me which is what ignorent people on these impersonal forums do.

[Segep]

Are you insinuating non-American citizens have a valid opinion of our history and domestic affairs?

Classic! :D

Thanks for the laugh Justinian.

[Justinian]

Cloistered? Who's the one who likes to hang out with "Anglos"?

Yeah, are going to come out and try and attack the Anglican American way of life which IS the American way of life and heritage? Is that's what's around this anti-national, anti-american debate? Are you going to suggest I don't have the right to choose who to hang out with or should compromise or abandon the Anglican lifestyle I lead because of this disconcerting tide of foreigners that wish to destroy the very founding fabric of my beloved country and brainwash our children to do the same? I'm just asking because I know you're a homo-sexual but am now wondering if you're one of them too. You probably are because you're also a teacher which leads me to believe until further communication that YOU ARE a FLAMING liberal which is of course naturally part of the core of our internal national threat. Lets face it kiddies, you're attacking the very people whom not only represents America's true founding spirit but the people with the very upbringing and understanding that defend this country. Like he said, "Deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, You Want Me On That Wall, You Need Me On That Wall.

[Justinian]

Classic! :D

Thanks for the laugh Justinian.

A perfect illustration of one of the core reasons I detest people like this. Segep, I don't know what field you teach but I've talked with many teachers and I've learned that most although educated and to little fault of their own, don't understand a goddamn thing about American history and American historical and present politics. In fact, it's moron intellectual teachers who've used American history as a propoganda tool in our classrooms. I've seen it, I've debated them and won, case closed.

[lipmonkey]

Justinian

I refuse to have a war of wits with an unarmed man.:)

You didn't ask me what I thought, you tried to tell me how I should think in regards to being a real American when I know damn well you don't know what one is to start with.

You and your views represent a lot of social problems our country is facing and I have no respect for your racist, white supremacist views. Sorry. There isn't anything you have to say that I care to consider. I'll look elsewhere on the board for intelligent conversation.

[Justinian]

I forgot more than you will ever know justinian.You don't like a taste of your medicine do you? Other than click and paste you haven't had an original thought since I started reading your 3rd grade structured sentences.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Get a life.;)

Oh please, I've said the same regurgitated crap. Except I actually make and defend an argument; you do neither and are completely worthless and actually not apart of this discussion. I could just argue that you probably know nothing or very little about politics but that's only slander and something I cannot know for sure. I won't do that but I will inquire and put you on the defense of how it is you can possibly know or reason my thoughts are not mine? In any case like you already read, at this point in history very little is your own thoughts but only borrowed ones from previous or current philosophers and theologists that one has agreed to claim as his own.

[Segep]

I've said the same regurgitated crap.

And that is the most truthful thing you've ever posted.

[Justinian]

And that is the most truthful thing you've ever posted.

Name one Damn thing I've posted that is an irrefutable lie. That's a funny thing anyway coming from a homosexual teacher because teachers are known to lie professionally all the time. Name one thing.

[Justinian]

What speech? How can we read it if you don't tell us which one it is?



Jackson? lol. Unsurprising.

I have no problem with someone commenting from a different opinion but in playful defense, is your face on a dollar bill? Or is any person that was previously a teacher on a dollar bill? What next, you going to attack masonry?

[Justinian]

Justinian

I refuse to have a war of wits with an unarmed man.:)

You didn't ask me what I thought, you tried to tell me how I should think in regards to being a real American when I know damn well you don't know what one is to start with.

You and your views represent a lot of social problems our country is facing and I have no respect for your racist, white supremacist views. Sorry. There isn't anything you have to say that I care to consider. I'll look elsewhere on the board for intelligent conversation.

I've posted numerous posts just like this one from my own point of view which leads me to suspect that you may have an inkling of intelligence or you're just foolishly arrogant. Either way, don't you think for a Goddamn minute I'm another arrogant fool like these other puppets and don't know what the hell I'm talking about. You cannot refuse to at least inquire of the amount and depth of my own inteligence and then claim I am ignorant when you never said a damn thing to back up your ramblings that directly attacked me to begin with. Don't bother responding; I'll honor your wish. I never intended this thread to be pursued at all, let alone so inanely.

[9sublime]

Who gives a f- what you think you Pelosi-Backing, Fudge-Packing faggot. Besides, this speech will not start a debate; it was never its intention to start a debate. Be foolish cowardly morons if you want folks but this is one of the Great American speeches and it's as true today just as it was when it was written.

You don't debate Justinian, you just post other peoples stuff and long rants about what you stand for and you're great message, with a load of homophobia and racism too.

Why do we have to listen to this hate spewing prick?

You don't, I'm doing something about it now. I'm the only mod that seems to have seen this, and I don't like it at all. He's already been given a warning for multiple abusive posts to certain groups of society.

[Justinian]

You don't debate Justinian, you just post other peoples stuff and long rants about what you stand for and you're great message, with a load of homophobia and racism too.

There's no one to debate. This whole forum itself is just a big brainless rant with little intelligent discussion at all. I try to challenge and communicate to other minds but too many are entrenched in their own mostly stupid opinions without the basic conceptual knowledge of why.



You don't, I'm doing something about it now. I'm the only mod that seems to have seen this, and I don't like it at all. He's already been given a warning for multiple abusive posts to certain groups of society.

I've tried to write to you in several cases honestly and with good intentions but you are a Goddamn atheist hell bent on a social war with God. I haven't the time nor comical motive to explain and defend myself from people like you any further.

[Coyote]

There's no one to debate. This whole forum itself is just a big brainless rant with little intelligent discussion at all. I try to challenge and communicate to other minds but too many are entrenched in their own mostly stupid opinions without the basic conceptual knowledge of why.

I'm not sure that bludgeoning someone with a 2x4 is exactly "communicating" or "intelligent discussion". You might consider fine tuning your message a little.

[Justinian]

I'm not sure that bludgeoning someone with a 2x4 is exactly "communicating" or "intelligent discussion". You might consider fine tuning your message a little.

Point taken. Understanding I only meant the best with this initial post which was attacked before it was even finished (as you can plainly see) I'm always for a respectful intelligent debate which this forum scarcely provides.

[9sublime]

Well then leave Justinian. Nobodys keeping you here. If you don't want to be here, then it would probably be better you left.

[Justinian]

I keep my hopes up for the best. Besides oh humble moderator, there are other paleoconservatives here who are probably inept with the rest of the silly spectrum. In other words, perhaps it is wiser for me to defend the classical American fashion than try and remind people of it and instill it in them which usually leads to a fight rather than a debate anyhow. It would be nonsense for me to leave.

[n0spam4me]

Do we have ...

You can do ANYTHING except what is prohibited by LAW.....

OR

You may do only the things that you have PERMISSION from the GOV to do.

WHAT?
.

[USMC the Almighty]

Do we have ...

You can do ANYTHING except what is prohibited by LAW.....

OR

You may do only the things that you have PERMISSION from the GOV to do.

WHAT?
.

Come again...

[9sublime]

People very rarely agree with you Justinian, ever noticed that? And we have a broad range of political thinkers.

[Coyote]

Point taken. Understanding I only meant the best with this initial post which was attacked before it was even finished (as you can plainly see) I'm always for a respectful intelligent debate which this forum scarcely provides.

I found a pretty good, intellegent debate with Palerider and that was only on the first try....maybe I'm just lucky that way;)

[Justinian]

People very rarely agree with you Justinian, ever noticed that? And we have a broad range of political thinkers.

No. Perhaps you think so being my most adamant aversary because you have not argued with other members of the same opinion but there are at least three members of my class on this forum. Whether they adamantly debate people like you has nothing to do with me. But like I said, who cares about your own righteous opinion because you are an atheist and the system you advocate to be built is based on atheist principles. It's people like you I've heard argue that religion is uncivilized and atheism is yet it is the atheist doctrine that undoes and creates people uncivilized.

[9sublime]

Prove this statement that atheism unravels society with some solid proof, not assumptions, or religious beliefs in the supernatural, or stop saying it.

I also love the way the right accuse the left of being poncy, believing in naive things that will never work and are not solid and real. But then they love religion, a belief in demons, angels, higher beings, other realms. Its nut this world, it really is.

[Coyote]

No. Perhaps you think so being my most adamant aversary because you have not argued with other members of the same opinion but there are at least three members of my class on this forum. Whether they adamantly debate people like you has nothing to do with me. But like I said, who cares about your own righteous opinion because you are an atheist and the system you advocate to be built is based on atheist principles. It's people like you I've heard argue that religion is uncivilized and atheism is yet it is the atheist doctrine that undoes and creates people uncivilized.

So...are you saying you only find value in debating with like minded people?

[Justinian]

So...are you saying you only find value in debating with like minded people?

It depends what you mean by that. This is obviously another attempt to discredit me by verbal maneuvering which I've done a hundred times myself but I've learned several things about these forums. Not wanting to go into the whole thing, the forums by their nature have forced me to evolve into participating in political discussions mainly of more likeminded people, giving the opposition their breathing space. There's something you can't argue on this board which is entrenchment which sally-forths everyone's agenda. I myself am also entrenched but being politically entrenched, by right or wrong, means nothing.

[Justinian]

Prove this statement that atheism unravels society with some solid proof, not assumptions, or religious beliefs in the supernatural, or stop saying it.

I also love the way the right accuse the left of being poncy, believing in naive things that will never work and are not solid and real. But then they love religion, a belief in demons, angels, higher beings, other realms. Its nut this world, it really is.

Did you ever think that since you are not religious, you are by your very nature uncapable of understanding it and the people that openly practice religion? I bet you politically favor homo-sexuals over christians. I bet, I bet, I bet. That's part of the basic core of why I hate out-spoken atheists. They can't understand religion, why people practice or still practice it yet they are adamantly against it thinking its removal is beneficial. Hypocricy?

[Coyote]

Did you ever think that since you are not religious, you are by your very nature uncapable of understanding it and the people that openly practice religion? I bet you politically favor homo-sexuals over christians. I bet, I bet, I bet. That's part of the basic core of why I hate out-spoken atheists. They can't understand religion, why people practice or still practice it yet they are adamantly against it thinking its removal is beneficial. Hypocricy?

What if they're homosexual Christians?:confused:

[Justinian]

What if they're homosexual Christians?:confused:

I was adressing Sublime unless you two are attached at the head.

[Justinian]

Prove this statement that atheism unravels society with some solid proof, not assumptions, or religious beliefs in the supernatural, or stop saying it.

Perhaps I will.

[qalam]

A witty saying proves nothing.

[mysteryman]

What is going on?
Did TR's speech really deserve this much attention?
I thought it was a good speech,and I dont understand whay all of the vitriol and hatred is now occurring.

If you disagree with either the speech orJustinian,thats fine.
But is all of the name calling and childishness really needed?

[Segep]

It is an OK speech, but in the hands of someone who is skilled at turning everything into a battle between whites and non-whites, it's not even worth reading.

I didn't start this. I believe the declaration of war began with "Shut your faggot face, you faggot" (http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12852&postcount=19).

For the most part I just ignore him and everything he says, unless it is so ignorant and/or offensive that I just can't let it pass. When I interrupted him in the second post, I didn't realize he wasn't finished posting yet. I honestly wanted to know what speech he was talking about.

[Justinian]

Segep, calling it an OK speech has me relaxed.

[qalam]

What is going on?
Did TR's speech really deserve this much attention?
I thought it was a good speech,and I dont understand whay all of the vitriol and hatred is now occurring.

If you disagree with either the speech orJustinian,thats fine.
But is all of the name calling and childishness really needed?


That is an excellent question. Just read some of Justinians comments about people who do not agree with him. He is vile and deserves vile in return.

[Justinian]

That is an excellent question. Just read some of Justinians comments about people who do not agree with him. He is vile and deserves vile in return.

Wrong wrong wrong, It is sublime that is vile and souless. I am the advocate of religion which there are people here that think that is essentially a bad thing or not necessarily a good thing. You poor ignorant fools.

[lipmonkey]

Do you want some more you little prick Justinian? I'll haunt your ass until one of us gets the boot.;)

At this point it doesn't really matter.:)

[Beetle Bailey]

Point taken. Understanding I only meant the best with this initial post which was attacked before it was even finished (as you can plainly see) I'm always for a respectful intelligent debate which this forum scarcely provides.

Yes, of course. Respectful, intelligent debate. As you clearly demonstrate for all the godless Philistines on this thread. If only more people had your judicious sense of fair play and intellectual honesty. I admire how you never resort to childish invective or specious argument for distraction. Your posts embody all the attributes of high minded, ethical debate. Thank you for setting such a high standard for all the ingrates who frequent this forum. You are a model and an inspiration for us all.

[vyo476]

Shut your faggot face you filthy faggot.

What a completely trivial difference one adjective makes.

Don't you have anything even a little bit better to do with your time...?

[Vlad]

Posts were deleted and Justinian was banned for 3 months.

We are sorry for any inconvenience.

[vyo476]

Posts were deleted and Justinian was banned for 3 months.

We are sorry for any inconvenience.

I knew I should have started taking bets as to when you guys were going to ban him.