The New US Plan For Iraq

[qalam]

It seems that arming the Sunni insurgents to fight al-Qaeda is part of the new plan in Iraq. Maliki is sweating.


WASHINGTON (AFP) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki warned that US troops sometimes create new militias by arming Iraqi tribes, urging that such decisions be left to his government, in comments published Saturday.

"Some field commanders make mistakes ... by arming tribes sometimes, and this is dangerous because this will create new militias," Maliki said in an interview put out on Newsweek magazine's website.

"I believe that the coalition forces do not know the backgrounds of the tribes. It is a job of the (Iraqi) government," he added.

The premier said his administration seeks "to arm some tribes that want to side with us, but on the condition that we should be well aware of the tribe's background and sure that it is not connected with terror."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070617/wl_mideast_afp/usiraqmilitarymaliki_070617010709;_ylt=Au2jiIM0cJd TAHUKP5gVdVxX6GMA

[lipmonkey]

"I believe that the coalition forces do not know the backgrounds of the tribes. It is a job of the (Iraqi) government," he added.

That's an accurate statement. IMO. In our rush to war we have made a lot of mistakes because we didn't understand the tribal mentality of Iraq.

I hope this isn't another miscalculation.

[drippinhun]

That's an accurate statement. IMO. In our rush to war we have made a lot of mistakes because we didn't understand the tribal mentality of Iraq.

I hope this isn't another miscalculation.

I'm sure our regime will let the Iraqi semi-puppet government try it their way. Bush and Co. will do anything since with their overabundent brain trusts and think tanks coaching, they have screwed it up with every inch of the way with their hare-brained schemes. But stayed tuned boys to your Sunday chattering yack news shows. Those same pathetic cymbal clashing windups will be enlightening you with their know-it-all wisdom. Why some of you may be able to regurgitate it on these boards!

[qalam]

Well, let us ay that they, the Sunnis, defeat al-Qaeda, who do you think willo be the next logical enemy for them to deal with? This is ma dreadful idea.

[drippinhun]

Well, let us ay that they, the Sunnis, defeat al-Qaeda, who do you think willo be the next logical enemy for them to deal with? This is ma dreadful idea.

Who? The warmongering Bush group or the Sunnis?

[qalam]

Sorry, I was unclear--the Sunni.

[jb_1430]

Sorry, I was unclear--the Sunni.

Sooo when "the Sunnis, defeat al-Qaeda, .... the next logical enemy for them to deal with" will be the sunnis???? And what make the Sunnis an "enemy"? Are you shiite? It's still a little cloudy. MARK

[jb_1430]

That's an accurate statement. IMO. In our rush to war we have made a lot of mistakes because we didn't understand the tribal mentality of Iraq.

I hope this isn't another miscalculation.

I think we didnt understand Al Qaeda's willingness to blow to bits as many Shiites as they could. MARK

[vyo476]

Qalam, correct me if I'm wrong, but you meant that once the Sunnis are done putting down Shiite death squads, they'll turn on us - right?

That idea seems to have gotten mixed up in here.

[jb_1430]

The New US Plan For Iraq

It seems that arming the Sunni insurgents to fight al-Qaeda is part of the new plan in Iraq. Maliki is sweating.



"US PLAN"??? From the article


The premier said his administration seeks "to arm some tribes that want to side with us, but on the condition that we should be well aware of the tribe's background and sure that it is not connected with terror."



I dont see anything indicating that its anything other than Maliki's plan, or that its new. MARK

[top gun]

Hello... It's a CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: That's what happens in CIVIL WARS... especially if you deny there even is one.

[Bunz]

I have just read two different articles one from time, the other from NBC, the NBC one is reporting that violence is down so far in June which is a good thing, and the Time piece is saying that more time needs to be given before the September report card that is due concerning the effectiveness of the surge.
All this being said, I find it sadly laughable that Al-Maliki is telling the US what its role should be when it is the Iraqi government that is totally inept. If Maliki had any balls when he took office some of this mess probably could have been avoided. Before anyone starts in on the fact they are a puppet regime I will agree with them. But at the same time, Al-Maliki has time and time shown his true colors in not being interested in putting an end to the violence that rips his country apart.
One major flaw the US made from the outset of the war was to give huge rebuilding contracts to American countries and have US and western contractors over there making a ton of money doing jobs the Iraqi people could have been. For instance someone such as an American who drives a truck can make $90k a year in Iraq. Meanwhile the Iraqis who could just as easily do the job are left to look at being police force members which is highly dangerous for them, being a militia member, and at the same time we could have saved a boatload of money giving the Iraqis jobs for much more reasonable money than the inflated wages westerners are getting for working in a dangerous area. Bottom line is that the only thing that will end the violence is economic development and opportunities available to the average Iraqi for a fair wage and working conditions. When one has a job, they dont want to fight.

[jb_1430]

Hello... It's a CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: That's what happens in CIVIL WARS... especially if you deny there even is one.

As no one has even mentioned civil war, afraid I dont know what you are ranting about now or what it is that "happens in CIVIL WARS". MARK

[Bunz]

Um yeah a bunch of people have refered to the situation in Iraq as civil war, including Colin Powell among others. The President hasnt referred to that, mostly because I think he sits there with Bose noise cancelling headphones on, with Cheney tapped into them whispering that the situation on the ground is better than expected, it is just the media bias, and your approval rating is going up.

[USMC the Almighty]

Clever.

[top gun]

As no one has even mentioned civil war, afraid I dont know what you are ranting about now or what it is that "happens in CIVIL WARS". MARK

Original post:

The New US Plan For Iraq

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It seems that arming the Sunni insurgents to fight al-Qaeda is part of the new plan in Iraq. Maliki is sweating.


WASHINGTON (AFP) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki warned that US troops sometimes create new militias by arming Iraqi tribes, urging that such decisions be left to his government, in comments published Saturday.

"Some field commanders make mistakes ... by arming tribes sometimes, and this is dangerous because this will create new militias," Maliki said in an interview put out on Newsweek magazine's website.

"I believe that the coalition forces do not know the backgrounds of the tribes. It is a job of the (Iraqi) government," he added.

The premier said his administration seeks "to arm some tribes that want to side with us, but on the condition that we should be well aware of the tribe's background and sure that it is not connected with terror."

My observation to that original post:

Hello... It's a CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what happens in CIVIL WARS... especially if you deny there even is one.

Does the connection now seem clearer as you see both statements together?

[OPGhostdog]

Boy oh Boy, You people do not believe in facts do you?
In Iraq its a Holy War. How many of you know right off
the bat (without) looking up what is a Holy War?

The Republicians is calling the wars in the Middle East
civil wars, and others who believe in the Holy Quran
is calling it a Holy war.

Holy Wars (means) A war waged by religious partisans to
propagate or defend their faith.

A Civil War (means) A war between opposing groups of
citizens of the SAME country.

However the Middle Eastern conflicts was holy wars until
it became a oil control issue (Thanks to the Western world),
and now its a comination of both Wars.

The New US plan for Iraq? Damn when will the American
government ever sit their asses down to discuss peace?
The more and more I read about this bs that the American
government is pulling makes me want to throw up.

The world won't be at peace until every country gets in
a World War situation, and this will be the last war that
we will know about. Because of the powerful weapons
and bombs that will be used.

Its sad to say but I do not believe that homeland security
is all that tight, and IF we was ever hit by terrorist it would
be in a unexpected way. You think that the Power Blackout
that damaged all the northern and some of the midwest was
a incident? Well you better look at the situation again, and
to me it was a test. By whom I do not know, and I am on
my self alert.

If we can't trust the United States government who can we
trust, and we are suppose to be the government?

[jb_1430]

Original post:

Hello... It's a CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what happens in CIVIL WARS... especially if you deny there even is one.[/COLOR]

Does the connection now seem clearer as you see both statements together?

"field commanders make mistakes" and militias are created in all kinds of wars, civil or international. MARK

[ArmChair General]

It seems that arming the Sunni insurgents to fight al-Qaeda is part of the new plan in Iraq. Maliki is sweating.


WASHINGTON (AFP) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki warned that US troops sometimes create new militias by arming Iraqi tribes, urging that such decisions be left to his government, in comments published Saturday.

"Some field commanders make mistakes ... by arming tribes sometimes, and this is dangerous because this will create new militias," Maliki said in an interview put out on Newsweek magazine's website.

"I believe that the coalition forces do not know the backgrounds of the tribes. It is a job of the (Iraqi) government," he added.

The premier said his administration seeks "to arm some tribes that want to side with us, but on the condition that we should be well aware of the tribe's background and sure that it is not connected with terror."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070617/wl_mideast_afp/usiraqmilitarymaliki_070617010709;_ylt=Au2jiIM0cJd TAHUKP5gVdVxX6GMA


not new....

[ArmChair General]

"US PLAN"??? From the article


I dont see anything indicating that its anything other than Maliki's plan, or that its new. MARK

Its not new. But its not Maliki's plan.

[qalam]

not new....

WHY? I like short posts make your total look really good.

[top gun]

"field commanders make mistakes" and militias are created in all kinds of wars, civil or international. MARK

We have no disagreement on that. However I would go much further and say a total lack of understanding of the dynamics of the region that led us to this point came from the administration and our field commanders are now just living that out first hand.

I'm glad that like the Pentagon we are now at least recognizing that Civil War and not just a war against the West does exist in Iraq. It's a start.

[jb_1430]

Soooo what is IT that "happens in civil wars". MARK


We have no disagreement on that. However I would go much further and say a total lack of understanding of the dynamics of the region that led us to this point came from the administration and our field commanders are now just living that out first hand.

I'm glad that like the Pentagon we are now at least recognizing that Civil War and not just a war against the West does exist in Iraq. It's a start.

[qalam]

I realize it jhas been stated in the past, but the tribal mentality and the lack of knowledge of the thinking has led to the present civil war and if you do not like that term, then holy war.

[jb_1430]

I realize it jhas been stated in the past, but the tribal mentality and the lack of knowledge of the thinking has led to the present civil war and if you do not like that term, then holy war.

I believe that Al qaeda is responsible for bringing about the present level of sectarian conflict, civil war, holy war or whatever it is you want to call it.
MARK

[USMC the Almighty]

I believe that Al qaeda is responsible for bringing about the present level of sectarian conflict.

There's nothing to "believe". That is undeniable fact. There wasn't nearly as much sectarian violence until Zarqawi's bombing of the Samarra Mosque back in Feb of '06.

[top gun]

Soooo what is IT that "happens in civil wars". MARK

In Civil Wars you have a previously sovereign country that splits along some definable line. In this case Shiite and Sunni. They battle each other for overall control of said country.

This is not to say that is the only war going on in Iraq... far from it. You also have people from many different internal and external groups that fight against the US being in the Middle East or based on any Muslim soil.

None of that extra action makes the Civil War going on not a Civil War and it certainly doesn't make our position being there stronger. In fact it makes it much worse.

[rmbarron]

Hello... It's a CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: That's what happens in CIVIL WARS... especially if you deny there even is one.

This is not a civil war. What you have in Iraq is anarchy.

[rmbarron]

There is no definable Sunni/Shiite political divide fighting over the country. What you've got is the fabric of Iraqi society splintering along tribal lines. And why shouldn't it? The Iraqi people have not had self rule since 900 BC! Since Babylon fell!! Since then it's been one empire after another. The tribes are now the only indeginous politcal force left in the country. One of them will emerge dominant enough to pacify the country, but it won't happen without excessive blood-shed.

In Civil Wars you have a previously sovereign country that splits along some definable line. In this case Shiite and Sunni. They battle each other for overall control of said country.

This is not to say that is the only war going on in Iraq... far from it. You also have people from many different internal and external groups that fight against the US being in the Middle East or based on any Muslim soil.

None of that extra action makes the Civil War going on not a Civil War and it certainly doesn't make our position being there stronger. In fact it makes it much worse.

[Chip]

There is no "new" U.S. plan for Iraq.

The U.S. plan all along for Iraq was to invade and occupy as long as necessary to secure our continued receipt of their special light, sweet crude oil, thereby preventing Saddam (or his successors!) from diverting it to China as Iraq threatened in the fall of 2002 to do as soon as the sanctions against Iraq choosing new trading partners came to an end, and those sanctions were about to come to an end ... when we "suddenly" invaded.

That is the original and only U.S. plan for Iraq.

[Beetle Bailey]

There is no definable Sunni/Shiite political divide fighting over the country. What you've got is the fabric of Iraqi society splintering along tribal lines. And why shouldn't it? The Iraqi people have not had self rule since 900 BC! Since Babylon fell!! Since then it's been one empire after another. The tribes are now the only indeginous politcal force left in the country. One of them will emerge dominant enough to pacify the country, but it won't happen without excessive blood-shed.

This is what comes of a glaring, puposeful ignorance of history combined with obvious agenda. Pretty funny. As if the petty semantics of what you think constitutes civil war has any relevance to reality on the ground.