chapter one overview of marijuana and hemp

[Rokerijdude11]

Chapter 1
Overview of the History of Cannabis Hemp

For the Purpose of Clarity in this Book:

Explanations or documentations marked with an asterisk (*) are listed at the end of the related paragraph(s). For brevity, other sources for facts, anecdotes, histories, studies, etc., are cited in the body of the text or included in the appendices. The facts cited herein are generally verifiable in the Encyclopaedia Britannica, which was printed primarily on paper produced with cannabis hemp for over 150 years. However, any encyclopedia (no matter how old) or good dictionary will do for general verification purposes.

Cannabis Sativa L.

Also known as: Hemp, cannabis hemp, Indian (India) hemp, true hemp, muggles, weed, pot, marijuana, reefer, grass, ganja, bhang, "the kind," dagga, herb, etc., all names for exactly the same plant!

What's in a Name? (U.S. Geography)

HEMPstead, Long Island; HEMPstead County, Arkansas; HEMPstead, Texas; HEMPhill, North Carolina; HEMPfield, Pennsylvania, among others, were named after cannabis growing regions, or after family names derived from hemp growing.

American Historical Notes

In 1619, America's first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia, "ordering" all farmers to "make tryal of" (grow) Indian hempseed. More mandatory (must-grow) hemp cultivation laws were enacted in Massachusetts in 1631, in Connecticut in 1632 and in the Chesapeake Colonies into the mid-1700s.

Even in England, the much-sought-after prize of full British citizenship was bestowed by a decree of the crown on foreigners who would grow cannabis, and fines were often levied against those who refused.

Cannabis hemp was legal tender (money) in most of the Americas from 1631 until the early 1800s. Why? To encourage American farmers to grow more.1

You could pay your taxes with cannabis hemp throughout America for over 200 years.2

You could even be jailed in America for not growing cannabis during several periods of shortage, e.g., in Virginia between 1763 and 1767. (Herndon, G.M., Hemp in Colonial Virginia, 1963; The Chesapeake Colonies, 1954; L.A.Times, August 12, 1981; et al.)

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew cannabis on their plantations. Jefferson,3 while envoy to France, went to great expense - and even considerable risk to himself and his secret agents - to procure particularly good hempseeds smuggled illegally into Turkey from China. The Chinese Mandarins (political rulers) so valued their hempseed that they made its exportation a capital offense.

The United States Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp "plantations"* (minimum 2,000-acre farm) growing cannabis hemp for cloth, canvas and even the cordage used for baling cotton. Most of these plantations were located in the South or in the border states, primarily because of the cheap slave labor available prior to 1865 for the labor-intensive hemp industry.

(U.S. Census, 1850; Allen, James Lane, The Reign of Law, A Tale of the Kentucky Hemp Fields, MacMillan Co., NY, 1900; Roffman, Roger, Ph.D. Marijuana as Medicine, Mendrone Books, WA, 1982.)

*This figure does not include the tens of thousands of smaller farms growing cannabis, nor the hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of family hemp patches in America; nor does it take into account that well into this century 80 percent of America's hemp consumption for 200 years still had to be imported from Russia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Poland, etc.

Benjamin Franklin started one of America's first paper mills with cannabis. This allowed America to have a free colonial press without having to beg or justify the need for paper and books from England.

In addition, various marijuana and hashish extracts were the first, second and third most prescribed medicines in the United States from 1842 until the 1890s. It's medicinal use continued legally through the 1930s for humans and figured even more prominently in American and world veterinary medicines during this time.

Cannabis extract medicines were produced by Eli Lilly, Parke-Davis, Tildens, Brothers Smith (Smith Brothers), Squibb and many other American and European companies and apothecaries. During all that time there was not one reported death from cannabis extract medicines, and virtually no abuse or mental disorders reported, except for first-time or novice users occasionally becoming disoriented or overly introverted.

(Mikuriya, Tod, M.D., Marijuana Medical Papers, Medi-Comp Press, CA; Cohen, Sidney & Stillman, Richard, Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana, Plenum Press, NY, 1976.)

World Historical Notes

"The earliest known woven fabric was apparently of hemp, which began to be worked in the eighth millennium (8,000 - 7,000 B.C.)"

(The Columbia History of the World, 1981, page 54.)

The body of literature (i.e., archaeology, anthropology, philology, economy, history) pertaining to hemp is in general agreement that, at the very least:

From more than 1,000 years before the time of Christ until 1883 A.D., cannabis hemp - indeed, marijuana - was our planet's largest agricultural crop and most important industry, involving thousands of products and enterprises; producing the overall majority of Earth's fiber, fabric, lighting oil, paper, incense and medicines. In addition, it was a primary source of essential food oil and protein for humans and animals.

According to virtually every anthropologist and university in the world, marijuana was also used in most of our religions and cults as one of the seven or so most widely used mood-, mind-, or pain-altering drugs when taken as psychotropic, psychedelic (mind-manifesting or -expanding) sacraments.

Almost without exception, these sacred (drug) experiences inspired our superstitions, amulets, talismans, religions, prayers, and language codes.

(See chapter 10 on "Religions and Magic.")

(Wasson, R., Gordon, Soma, Divine Mushroom of Immortality; Allegro, J.M., Sacred Mushroom & the Cross, Doubleday, NY, 1969; Pliny; Josephus; Herodotus; Dead Sea Scrolls; Gnostic Gospels; the Bible; Ginsberg Legends Kaballah, c. 1860; Paracelsus; British Museum; Budge; Ency. Britannica, "Pharmacological Cults;" Schultes & Wasson, Plants of the Gods, Research of R.E. Schultes, Harvard Botanical Dept.; Wm EmBoden, Cal State U., Northridge; et al.)

Great Wars were Fought to Ensure the Availability of Hemp

For example, the primary reason for the War of 1812 (fought by America against Great Britain) was access to Russian cannabis hemp. Russian hemp was also the principal reason that Napoleon (our 1812 ally) and his "Continental Systems" allies invaded Russia in 1812. (See Chapter 12, "The (Hemp) War of 1812 and Napolean Invades Russia.")

In 1942, after the Japanese invasion of the Philippines cut off the supply of Manila (Abaca) hemp, the U.S. Government distributed 400,000 pounds of cannabis seeds to American farmers from Wisconsin to Kentucky, who produced 42,000 tons of hemp fiber annually until 1946 when the war ended.

Why Has Cannabis Hemp/Marijuana Been So Important in History?

Because cannabis hemp is, overall, the strongest, most-durable, longest-lasting natural soft-fiber on the planet. Its leaves and flower tops (marijuana) were - depending on the culture - the first, second or third most important and most used medicines for two-thirds of the world's people for at least 3,000 years, until the turn of the century.

Botanically, hemp is a member of the most advanced plant family on Earth. It is a dioecious (having male, female and sometimes hermaphroditic - male and female on the same plant), woody, herbaceous annual that uses the sun more efficiently than virtually any other plant on our planet, reaching a robust 12 to 20 feet or more in one short growing season. It can be grown in virtually any climate or soil condition on Earth, even marginal ones.

Hemp is, by far, Earth's premier, renewable natural resource. This is why hemp is so very important.

Footnotes:

1. Clark, V.S., History of Manufacture in the United States, McGraw Hill, NY 1929, Pg. 34.

2. Ibid.

3. Diaries of George Washington; Writings of George Washington, Letter to Dr. James Anderson, May 26, 1794, vol. 33, p. 433, (U.S. govt. pub., 1931); Letters to his caretaker, Williams Pearce, 1795 & 1796; Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson's Farm Books, Abel, Ernest, Marijuana: The First 12,000 Years, Plenum Press, NY, 1980; M. Aldrich, et al.

[Rokerijdude11]

shall we begin at the beginning mr rider? are you up to it?

[Rokerijdude11]

we can take it one chapter at a time with all the footnotes and all the substantitive data



so have you proven anything in this chapter as WRONG? if so please show us where and how if your able to do that of course?

[Rokerijdude11]

as i thought youd rather snipe from the sidelines of the other posts

[palerider]

as i thought youd rather snipe from the sidelines of the other posts


Get some updated material. As you can see, what you have provided here is at least 30 years old.

And I am sure that you have little, if any interest in growing hemp or seeing hemp grown in this country unless, of course, you think that you could hide some marijuana plants in with your "hemp" crop;.

[Rokerijdude11]

Get some updated material. As you can see, what you have provided here is at least 30 years old.

And I am sure that you have little, if any interest in growing hemp or seeing hemp grown in this country unless, of course, you think that you could hide some marijuana plants in with your "hemp" crop;.

actually you know very very little about me then i am for the complete legalization of hemp .....hemp can save the world
NO what is happening here sir is we are starting at the beginning of it all to go through all of the different things that have been done surrounding prohibition of both HEMP and Marijuana......

the historical data is in support of of what did happen and is relevant to the story...now are you willing to go through this ? or is it above your head?

at this point you have yet to bring anything here.i dont need updated material anyone paying any attention knows that i am simply laying out ALL of the details for thr readers who may or may not know these things

we are to start here can you?

so lets go with chapter one friend where is it that Jack or myself are wrong in what he wrote and what we believe?
are you able in chapter one to prove any of what is written wrong? pick the point in chapter one youd like to start with


My recreational use of marijuana has NOTHING to do with my belief in legalizing hemp or marijuana i have a excellent job i go to Amsterdam regularly its not an issue for me buddy?


and contrary to you opinion or belief i DO WANT TO SEE HEMP GROWN AGAIN in this country...Food Fuel Fibre medicine....some of the basic qualities of the plant

and illl clear the air right now i do not spend all of my activist energy on either medicinal marijauana legalaization or hemp legalization....I have been around long enough to see the futility in "Hiding" behind another causes champion

while im active in ALL areas mentioned I as well do petition and give time to the legalization of marijuana for recreational use by adults

i dont Hide under the hippy umbrella i dont have to i know what time it is

now starting here chapter one have you/can you prove any of this wrong?

[palerider]

actually you know very very little about me then i am for the complete legalization of hemp .....hemp can save the world
NO what is happening here sir is we are starting at the beginning of it all to go through all of the different things that have been done surrounding prohibition of both HEMP and Marijuana......

Your interest doesn't lie in hemp. Your interest lies in getting high without the fear of getting arrested and as such, founding your arguments on hemp is disingenuous.

I became involved in the discussion after you made the claim that smoking marijuana was harmless. I proved my point with up to date medical research which you were unable to counter. You offered up an uneducated doper's opinion which I believe actually included serious reference to mad magazine. It seems that you resent being so easily put down so you switch the topic to hemp in an attempt to prove something (?) to yourself.

I have no problem with hemp. I am fine with continuing to import both the raw plant and products made from it as it provides a meger living to a very large number of people in the 3rd world who grow it for export to the US who would otherwise have nothing.

[Rokerijdude11]

Your interest doesn't lie in hemp. Your interest lies in getting high without the fear of getting arrested and as such, baseing your arguments on hemp are disingenuous.
Exactly who th F&ck are you........to tell me where MY interest lies? what an Arrogant supposition something you are quite famous for. Im NOT basing my argument on HEMP am I? I CLEARLY STATED SO in my last post which you obviously havent bothered to read.
And as i stated I have a GOOD JOB i go to Amsterdam to get high.....i dont need to "live in fear of being arrested" as you seem to believe. you are the MASTER of PROJECTION.............I champion ALL areas of marijuana and hemp legalization as i stated earlier......I dont need to use HEMp as a crutch....we are here to start at the beginning to lay out my points apparently you are UNABLE to go any further in the conversations as you seem to be stuck on stupid right now.........

Im not basing My arguments on hemp.............PROHIBITION of marijuana was Induced BECAUSE OF HEMP they are related the ENTIRE STORY must be told in order to show how i am correct...im sorry that you want a readers digest version.its not availible pale....Now ill ask you again HAVE YOU OR CAN YOU PROVE ANYTHING IN THIS POST WRONG?


WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE OPENING POST............
EITHER PUT UP OR SHUT UP AND WE MOVE TO CHAPTER 2
WITH THE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU WERE UNABLE TO PROVE ANY OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AS WRONG.......

EITHER GET IN THE GAME OR STFU




I became involved in the discussion after you made the claim that smoking marijuana was harmless. I proved my point with up to date medical research which you were unable to counter.







YOU PROVIDED INCONCLUSIVE DATA AND A HOST OF IFS ANDS AND POSSIBLYS None of your data had conclusive proof that marijuana when smoked is harmful to all who use it......
your information was littered with" in some cases ",and things like "it could cause ",or" it might cause in certain cases" None of your data comes out and flatly says if anyone smokes marijuana it will be harmful to them becuase of these reasons:

in short your data was easily shot down as propoganda.or Inconclusive data, .....or,,,,,studies that are presently still ongoing and have yet to come to final analysis ........its easy to see where you misconstrued this information as conclusive but it simply wasnt.....



NOW BACK TO THIS POST AND THE DIRECTION WE ARE HEADED CAN YOU PROVE ANY OF THE OPENING POST WRONG A SIMPLE YES OR NO IS SUFFICIENT

CAN YOU ARE YOU ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? IF NOT WE WILL SIMPLY CONCLUDE THAT NO YOU CANNOT AND THEREFORE WE MOVE TO CHAPTER 2


You offered up an uneducated doper's opinion which I believe actually included serious reference to mad magazine.
AGAIN WITH THE ARROGANT POMP OF A STRETCHED SPINCHTER SO DO YOU ALWAYS INSULT POSTERS HERE? IT DOES INDEED LOOK THAT WAY ALWAYS MR RIDER HAS TO RESORT TO INSULT HE HIDE IT FAIRLY WELL AT TIMES.......but fact remains it always resorts to this ....and the uneducated doper remark well mr rider the doper has a chapter in front of you ...........can you prove him wrong? should be easy hes uneducated and you are so superior your education will surely allow you to prove the opening post wrong then? put up or shut up


prove any of it wrong ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i understand really i do YOU CANT so instead you have drilled us with another one of your direction twisting rants that diverts all attention away from the subject at hand

ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVE ANY of the opening post wrong

answer the question Unless of course your unable to muster an answer? then we move on to chapter 2

It seems that you resent being so easily put down so you switch the topic to hemp in an attempt to prove something (?) to yourself.

il will this last time explain it for your slow learning self ok?.................I am laying out ALL of the details and reasoning behind the PROHIBITION OF MARIJUANA why is HEMP involved in the story? had you EVER bothered to read any of the material you of course would know this answer................Marijuana was USED as a scapegoat in order to OUTLAW INDUSTRIAL HEMP
both were legal in this country one was used to eradicate the other.theyre story is inescapably intertwined.......apparently your simple mind will not allow you to grasp this concept though..........we are STARTING AT THE BEGINNING you sir have NO CLUE to the reality of Marijuan and Hemp prohibition that is clear by your uneducated responses

I have no problem with hemp. I am fine with continuing to import both the raw plant and products made from it as it provides a meger living to a very large number of people in the 3rd world who grow it for export to the US who would otherwise have nothing.
Im glad you have no problems with hemp........thats fantastic Hemp can save the world .....it can save trees ,farmers, many many things.food fuel fiber medicine


HEMP was outlawed by USING marijuana as the catalyst

you continue to talk about 60 yr old information

the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has BASED THEYRE ENTIRE Drug war against Marijuana on the EXACT 60 YR OLD
information you complain of?

the FEDS have based ALL of theyre marijuana rhetorics on what happened in 1937 and you all eat it up like ice cream

[Coyote]

http://www.mydogella.com/popcorn.gif

...this thread is too good to pass up....

you have to admit though....the insult referencing mad magazine was kind of funny :D

[Rokerijdude11]

it only goes to prove he is outmatched in this debate

we have moved onto chapter 2 as it is OBVIOUS palerider is UNABLE to prove any of this information to be wrong

[vyo476]

http://www.mydogella.com/popcorn.gif

...this thread is too good to pass up....

you have to admit though....the insult referencing mad magazine was kind of funny :D

You beat me to it.

[Coyote]

You beat me to it.

I can share:)

[USMC the Almighty]

You beat me to it.

Just roll with the jumbo box of Buterfinger BB's.

[vyo476]

Just roll with the jumbo box of Buterfinger BB's.

I already picked up some ice cream, it was a good idea though.

[Coyote]

Butterfingers?

No way.


Jellybabies and peanut m&m's.

[vyo476]

Butterfingers?

No way.


Jellybabies and peanut m&m's.

I was always fond of nonpareils and Mike and Ike's.

[USMC the Almighty]

Mike and Ike's are solid but Jellybabies are just downright nasty.

[Coyote]

Mike and Ike's are solid but Jellybabies are just downright nasty.


I like the licorice ones :cool:


I kill for M&M's.

[USMC the Almighty]

I kill for M&M's.

Hahahaha.

[Rokerijdude11]

Your interest doesn't lie in hemp. Your interest lies in getting high without the fear of getting arrested and as such, baseing your arguments on hemp are disingenuous.
Exactly who th F&ck are you........to tell me where MY interest lies? what an Arrogant supposition something you are quite famous for. Im NOT basing my argument on HEMP am I? I CLEARLY STATED SO in my last post which you obviously havent bothered to read.
And as i stated I have a GOOD JOB i go to Amsterdam to get high.....i dont need to "live in fear of being arrested" as you seem to believe. you are the MASTER of PROJECTION.............I champion ALL areas of marijuana and hemp legalization as i stated earlier......I dont need to use HEMp as a crutch....we are here to start at the beginning to lay out my points apparently you are UNABLE to go any further in the conversations as you seem to be stuck on stupid right now.........

Im not basing My arguments on hemp.............PROHIBITION of marijuana was Induced BECAUSE OF HEMP they are related the ENTIRE STORY must be told in order to show how i am correct...im sorry that you want a readers digest version.its not availible pale....Now ill ask you again HAVE YOU OR CAN YOU PROVE ANYTHING IN THIS POST WRONG?


WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE OPENING POST............
EITHER PUT UP OR SHUT UP AND WE MOVE TO CHAPTER 2
WITH THE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU WERE UNABLE TO PROVE ANY OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AS WRONG.......

EITHER GET IN THE GAME OR STFU




I became involved in the discussion after you made the claim that smoking marijuana was harmless. I proved my point with up to date medical research which you were unable to counter.







YOU PROVIDED INCONCLUSIVE DATA AND A HOST OF IFS ANDS AND POSSIBLYS None of your data had conclusive proof that marijuana when smoked is harmful to all who use it......
your information was littered with" in some cases ",and things like "it could cause ",or" it might cause in certain cases" None of your data comes out and flatly says if anyone smokes marijuana it will be harmful to them becuase of these reasons:

in short your data was easily shot down as propoganda.or Inconclusive data, .....or,,,,,studies that are presently still ongoing and have yet to come to final analysis ........its easy to see where you misconstrued this information as conclusive but it simply wasnt.....



NOW BACK TO THIS POST AND THE DIRECTION WE ARE HEADED CAN YOU PROVE ANY OF THE OPENING POST WRONG A SIMPLE YES OR NO IS SUFFICIENT

CAN YOU ARE YOU ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? IF NOT WE WILL SIMPLY CONCLUDE THAT NO YOU CANNOT AND THEREFORE WE MOVE TO CHAPTER 2


You offered up an uneducated doper's opinion which I believe actually included serious reference to mad magazine.
AGAIN WITH THE ARROGANT POMP OF A STRETCHED SPINCHTER SO DO YOU ALWAYS INSULT POSTERS HERE? IT DOES INDEED LOOK THAT WAY ALWAYS MR RIDER HAS TO RESORT TO INSULT HE HIDE IT FAIRLY WELL AT TIMES.......but fact remains it always resorts to this ....and the uneducated doper remark well mr rider the doper has a chapter in front of you ...........can you prove him wrong? should be easy hes uneducated and you are so superior your education will surely allow you to prove the opening post wrong then? put up or shut up


prove any of it wrong ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i understand really i do YOU CANT so instead you have drilled us with another one of your direction twisting rants that diverts all attention away from the subject at hand

ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVE ANY of the opening post wrong

answer the question Unless of course your unable to muster an answer? then we move on to chapter 2

It seems that you resent being so easily put down so you switch the topic to hemp in an attempt to prove something (?) to yourself.

il will this last time explain it for your slow learning self ok?.................I am laying out ALL of the details and reasoning behind the PROHIBITION OF MARIJUANA why is HEMP involved in the story? had you EVER bothered to read any of the material you of course would know this answer................Marijuana was USED as a scapegoat in order to OUTLAW INDUSTRIAL HEMP
both were legal in this country one was used to eradicate the other.theyre story is inescapably intertwined.......apparently your simple mind will not allow you to grasp this concept though..........we are STARTING AT THE BEGINNING you sir have NO CLUE to the reality of Marijuan and Hemp prohibition that is clear by your uneducated responses

I have no problem with hemp. I am fine with continuing to import both the raw plant and products made from it as it provides a meger living to a very large number of people in the 3rd world who grow it for export to the US who would otherwise have nothing.
Im glad you have no problems with hemp........thats fantastic Hemp can save the world .....it can save trees ,farmers, many many things.food fuel fiber medicine


HEMP was outlawed by USING marijuana as the catalyst

you continue to talk about 60 yr old information

the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has BASED THEYRE ENTIRE Drug war against Marijuana on the EXACT 60 YR OLD
information you complain of?

the FEDS have based ALL of theyre marijuana rhetorics on what happened in 1937 and you all eat it up like ice cream

[palerider]

it only goes to prove he is outmatched in this debate

we have moved onto chapter 2 as it is OBVIOUS palerider is UNABLE to prove any of this information to be wrong

You are engaging in nothing more than some self serving mental masturbation here roker. As I said, I don't, and never have had a problem with hemp. I don't think, however, that we should be putting third world paupers out of buisness by growing it here.

I got involved in the original conversation because you said that smoking pot was harmless. I stepped in, proved that you were wrong and that was the end of my interest in the discussion. Sorry you are unable to deal with losing a point so decicively. That is, however, your problem. Not mine.

[palerider]

I like the licorice ones :cool:


I kill for M&M's.

Jordan Almonds. The only snack worthy of the theater.

[Rokerijdude11]

You are engaging in nothing more than some self serving mental masturbation here roker. As I said, I don't, and never have had a problem with hemp. I don't think, however, that we should be putting third world paupers out of buisness by growing it here.

I got involved in the original conversation because you said that smoking pot was harmless. I stepped in, proved that you were wrong and that was the end of my interest in the discussion. Sorry you are unable to deal with losing a point so decicively. That is, however, your problem. Not mine.

that was Proof? hahahaha

ok bud admit it your unable to continue....this isnt about hemp its about whos right you or jack Herer and you claim its you.Now you seem to have changed your tune as well a few post back it was "DRUGS" now your coming around
what i had said was Marijuana.

You claim to have proven defenitivly that smoking pot IS harmful to anyone whom may use it. I say thats a Phallacy
as the information you provided cleraly only indicated that its POSSIBLE to be harmful


im sorry Possible is not defenitive so again back to Jack the uneducated doper

im trying to help you here collect 100 grand you crawdad with the best of em chief your proof that smoking pot IS HARMFUL TO people is inconclusive hardly any concrete proof now was there?

chapter 2 or admit you are not up to the task

[Coyote]

Jordan Almonds. The only snack worthy of the theater.

ohhhh...I forgot about them....it's been ages. Yes, those might rate a placement next to M&M's.

Licorice twists?

[USMC the Almighty]

Licorice twists?

Suck.

[Rokerijdude11]

I got involved in the original conversation because you said that smoking pot was harmless.


You had better Re-visit the thread my smart alecked friend.....

As that is NOT how it transpired you keep changing it slightly

but I did not say it was harmless and then you joined in .....

your not recalling it correctly there mr rider

[palerider]

You had better Re-visit the thread my smart azzed friend.....

As that is NOT how it transpired you keep changing it slightly

but I did not say it was harmless and then you joined in .....

your not recalling it correctly there mr rider

You just keep walking into doors with your eyes wide open don't you? Why do you keep doing this to yourself?

I entered the thred after you said:

http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3795&postcount=34

"what a CROCK of CRAP fed to you by those who Villanized Mj in order to once again lie to the people and profit what you postsed isnt true at all that is Government rhetorics plain and simple

Now for some real truth we will start here

If you think you can PROVE ANY of what i post on this as WRONG.... feel free to go to the author that i am getting my research from, and collect 100,000,.00 cash IF you can PROVE ANY of it wrong that is........"


You said this in response to a post by Interestedparty" who was pointing out studies that found negative effects associated with marijuana use.

You followed that statement with a small selection from:

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Drug Enforcement Administration
In The Matter Of MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION
Docket No. 86-22

which was an attempt to distract from the studies posted by Interestedparty by pointing out that other drugs cause problems as well. A logical falacy called poisoning the well.

You then followed with a post about hemp:

http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3797&postcount=35

and followed that post with another two posts claiming that marijuana was not harmful.

http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3798&postcount=36
http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3800&postcount=37

At which time I entered the conversation with a clip from the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, that I followed with these publications that resulted from actual scientific research as opposed to the data you were submitting from Jack Herer who apparently gleaned his research from Mad Magazine.

Fligiel SEG, Roth MD, Kleerup EC, et al. Tracheobronchial histopathology in habitual smokers of cocaine, marijuana and/or tobacco. Chest 1997; 112: 319–26.

Robison LI, Buckley JD, Daigle AE, et al. Maternal drug use and the risk of childhood nonlympholastic leukemia among offspring: an epidemiologic investigation implicating marijuana. Cancer 1989; 63: 1904–11

Fried PA. Behavioural outcomes in preschool-aged children exposed prenatally to marijuana: a review and speculative interpretation. In: Wetherington CL, Smeriglio CL, Finnegan L, eds. Behavioural studies of drug exposed offspring: methodological issues in human and animal research. NIDA Research Monograph 164. Washington DC: US Government Printing Office, 1996.

Sridar KS, Raub WA, Weatherby NL, et al. Possible role of marijuana smoking as a carcinogen in the development of lung cancer at an early age. J Psychoactive Drugs 1994; 26: 285–88.

Caplan GA, Brigham BA. Marijuana smoking and carcinoma of the tongue. Is there an association? Cancer 1989; 66: 1005–06.


http://www.cannabisclub.ca/articles/...l_lancet_1.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/1999/...pot991217.html

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/c...act/90/16/1198

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/con...ract/8/12/1071

http://bja.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/83/4/637.pdf

Why do you lie so blatantly when it is so easy to prove you wrong. It must be true that one can only come up with a plan that is good enough to fool oneself. Did it never occur to you that the words are still there just waiting to be brought here verbatum to prove you wrong?

[Rokerijdude11]

UMMMMMMMM excuse me? where Did "I" say it was harmeless there squiggy?
i posted articles from jacks book? so where did I say it was "HARMLESS" or where did JACK say it?



i read the whole thread 4 times i NEVER SAID it was harmless? i posted information from jacks Book

so once again you CLAIM to have proven something wrong when in reality you are WRONG




your a friggin azz

you have been outed again and yet you squirm away like a worm on a hook

you as usual are WRONG AGAIN

[Rokerijdude11]

EXACTLY




i mean EXACTLY

what part of what i wrote have you proven wrong? you have yet to be able to answer that you keep citing posts that i made but they are FILLED with points which points EXACTLY have YOU proven wrong



BTW all of what i posted came from the book I NEVER ONCE SAID IT WAS HARMLESS AS YOU ARE PROJECTING

you sir are a LIAR plain and simple

[Rokerijdude11]

glitch

[USMC the Almighty]

What does this have to do w/ the current topic?

[Rokerijdude11]

i dont know what happened there? sorry

[Rokerijdude11]

UMMMMMMMM excuse me? where Did "I" say it was harmeless there squiggy?
i posted articles from jacks book? so where did I say it was "HARMLESS" or where did JACK say it?



i read the whole thread 4 times i NEVER SAID it was harmless? i posted information from jacks Book

so once again you CLAIM to have proven something wrong when in reality you are WRONG






you have been outed again and yet you squirm away like a worm on a hook

you as usual are WRONG AGAIN

bumpity

[palerider]

BTW all of what i posted came from the book I NEVER ONCE SAID IT WAS HARMLESS AS YOU ARE PROJECTING

you sir are a LIAR plain and simple


From your posts:

"More than 100 years have passed since the 1894 British Raj commission study of hashish smokers in India reported cannabis use was harmless and even helpful. Numerous studies since have all agreed: The most prominent being Siler, LaGuardia, Nixon's Shafer Commission, Canada's LeDain Commission, and the California Research Advisory Commission."

When U.S. government sponsored research prior to 1976 indicated that cannabis was harmless or beneficial, the methodology of how each study was done was always presented in detail in the reports; e.g., read The Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana (1976) and you will see exactly what the methodology of each medical study was.


Why do you keep doing this to yourself roker? There is a liar here and now twice I have brought your own posts forward to prove that it is you. You keep bringing a knife to an intellectual gunfight.

[Rokerijdude11]

From your posts:

"More than 100 years have passed since the 1894 British Raj commission study of hashish smokers in India reported cannabis use was harmless and even helpful. Numerous studies since have all agreed: The most prominent being Siler, LaGuardia, Nixon's Shafer Commission, Canada's LeDain Commission, and the California Research Advisory Commission."

When U.S. government sponsored research prior to 1976 indicated that cannabis was harmless or beneficial, the methodology of how each study was done was always presented in detail in the reports; e.g., read The Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana (1976) and you will see exactly what the methodology of each medical study was.


Why do you keep doing this to yourself roker? There is a liar here and now twice I have brought your own posts forward to prove that it is you. You keep bringing a knife to an intellectual gunfight.
what part of that was posted from jacks book dont you understand?


I didnt say that The BOOK did get past it


and it dosent say it is harmless NOW does it? no it clearly says that a study in 1894 concluded it was harmless.....................and then states that since then severl reports have agreed...............


then it goes on to say that the US Governement said it was harmless in 1976 clearly not 100 years ago and clearly not ROKER saying it

and so then are these the points you clain to have proven wrong?

these two here this is your argument ? where you mopped the floor with me?

[palerider]

what part of that was posted from jacks book dont you understand?

Your intelligence in serious question here roker. Shucking and jiving, dodging and weaving. Just like you did the last time that I proved decicively that you were a liar.

You said:

"but I did not say it was harmless and then you joined in ....."


Clearly you posted information that claimed that pot was harmless. Unless you are now claiming that you didn't really believe the information when you posted it.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Then you started the shuck and jive starting to claim that you didn't say it, jack said it and it just found its way into your post but you really didn't mean it:

"i read the whole thread 4 times i NEVER SAID it was harmless? i posted information from jacks Book "

As if posting information from a source that says a particular thing does not constitute "you" saying the thing. You are pathetic roker. You have already been proven to be a liar once, and everyone knows it, and here it has happened again and you still aren't man enough to admit that you have been caught. What is wrong with you?

When you cut and paste information to a thread in an attempt to prove whatever point you are trying to make, you have said whatever you have posted in an attempt to prove your point.

Now that you are caught, you are making the claim that unless the words are an original thought of yours, you didn't say them? That is easy since most of your arguments are in tje form of cut and paste, it is highly doubtful that you have ever had an orginal thought worth writing here.

You are pathetic.

[Rokerijdude11]

MY MY MY


How angry and pissy Mr rider gets when he is wrong. which you are ......end of story . you never proved a thing....the readers can read the information you posted for themselves it is inconclusive there was no decisive "victory" on your part? only a percieved victory

and at this point its quite clear you have been palyed out as you continue to fail to move on in the subject. we can only ascertain it is due to the fact that you are Unable to continue as you have been exposed




and for the 50th time


EXACTLY what points have you so decisevly proven wrong..............not a blanket or general statemen CAN YOU PRODUCE THE EXACT POINTS YOUVE PROVEN WRONG?

many of us have told you you could simply end this by providing this information..........at this point buddy all the shuck and jive is on your part..............

look hes taken to using crayons in his posts!!!!!!!

If they harken you back to your crayon days, then by all means use them. But then dopers really don't ever leave their crayond days behind...do they?

I guess not huh doper?


Finito

see you in chapter 4 if your up to it




ooooowwwweeeeee he called me pathetic ..im telling


again in case you had fogotten this post was place several pages after you percieved win

[Rokerijdude11]

yes this was said some 12 pages later after nothing but continual insults and misdirects which i can also prove by posting further comments

I think that although Roker is stubborn and slightly provocative in this issue, Palerider just talks absoloute arse that he has just looked up on some government website in the last five minutes.

Palerider just attacks the way people debate this issue, and doesn't address the fact that Roker is actually defeating him in it at every turn of this discussion.

apparently your memory of how it went is wrong

so farewell till chapter 4 finito you have been exposed

here readers start at page 3 work till page 16 you will see for yourselves

end game

check and mate

this is the LAST post Ill make in chapter one we have skipped to chapter 4 that is if your Up to it


20yyKTN5Gu0

[palerider]

Sorry roker, You lost and either aren't man enough to admit it or aren't smart enough to realize it. I will leave it to you to say which. You have a nice day now.