View Full Version : Bush like Hitler, says first Muslim in Congress
KingBall
07-16-2007, 08:12 AM
Since he and the people he supports are more like Hitler, is this supposed to be a compliment?
America's first Muslim congressman has provoked outrage by apparently comparing President George W Bush to Adolf Hitler and hinting that he might have been responsible for the September 11 attacks.
Addressing a gathering of atheists in his home state of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, a Democrat, compared the 9/11 atrocities to the destruction of the Reichstag, the German parliament, in 1933. This was probably burned down by the Nazis in order to justify Hitler's later seizure of emergency powers.
"It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that," Mr Ellison said. "After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it, and it put the leader [Hitler] of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted."
To applause from his audience of 300 members of Atheists for Human Rights, Mr Ellison said he would not accuse the Bush administration of planning 9/11 because "you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box - dismiss you".
Vice-President Dick Cheney's stance of refusing to answer some questions from Congress was "the very definition of totalitarianism, authoritarianism and dictatorship", he added.
Mr Ellison also raised eyebrows by telling his audience: "You'll always find this Muslim standing up for your right to be atheists all you want."
A convert to Islam who was previously linked to the extremist Nation of Islam, Mr Ellison, 42, has cultivated a moderate image since being elected last November, concentrating on issues such as health and education.
He is an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq. But he angered his own anti-war supporters by voting for a budget bill that aims to end the war over the next 18 months. His followers want an immediate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.
After his speech was reported, Mr Ellison said he accepted that Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. But his demagogic comments threaten to plunge him in controversy.
Mark Drake, of the Republican party in Minnesota, said: "To compare the democratically elected leader of the United States of America to Hitler is an absolute moral outrage which trivialises the horrors of Nazi Germany."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/14/wbush114.xml
steveox
07-17-2007, 12:40 PM
Why arent Republicans demanding he should resign? Remember James Trifficant? Why cant Republicans go after Congressman Ellison like they did to James Trafficant?
ganja
07-17-2007, 07:21 PM
There are similarities between the policies of our administration and those of Hitler, but that doesn't mean Bush is Hitler. These statements are outrageous.
Why arent Republicans demanding he should resign? Remember James Trifficant? Why cant Republicans go after Congressman Ellison like they did to James Trafficant?
They want after Traficant because he was palpably corrupt. Ellison is, at worst, a sleazy bit-player in the game of identity politics.
Although if they wanted to investigate him, they could start with his questionable ties to radical Islamic organizations.
jb_1430
07-18-2007, 07:34 AM
There are similarities between the policies of our administration and those of Hitler, but that doesn't mean Bush is Hitler. These statements are outrageous.
Riiiight-
Vice-President Dick Cheney's stance of refusing to answer some questions from Congress was "the very definition of totalitarianism, authoritarianism and dictatorship",
Yeah, Dissolving Parliament so you could fill it with Nazis and then vote themselves into irrelevance is just like Cheney refusing to answer questions. What a freakin joke.
Or were you, like ellison, suggesting that 9/11 was a false flag operation like the Reichstag fire?
Fun historical fact:
Dwight Eisenhower was the first President to refuse to release documents to Congress on the basis of executive privilege, to the delight of Congressional Democrats. Why? Because the documents he refused to release would've benefitted that old redhunter Joe McCarthy (who warned that Eisenhower's executive order effectively put a permanent end to the ability of the legislative branch to investigate the executive branch).
steveox
07-18-2007, 11:13 AM
They want after Traficant because he was palpably corrupt. Ellison is, at worst, a sleazy bit-player in the game of identity politics.
Although if they wanted to investigate him, they could start with his questionable ties to radical Islamic organizations.
Why dont they investigate him on ties to terrorist organizations like he might be involved with Al Queda or Hezbollah? He might been involved with IRAN too.
All he has is connections to CAIR, which itself has some connections to (I think) Hamas. He doesn't have personal direct connections to any terrorist organizations that I know of.
At worst he is sleazy, unethical, and unpatriotic. There is plenty of room for criticism of that kind. But he's definitely no Traficant.
michaelr
07-18-2007, 05:41 PM
Oh yes the evil Muslim, must be AQ, Hezbolla, AQ in Iraq, EVIL EVIL....You people make me want to puke, HOW ABOUT THIS,, BUSH is EVIL, not unlike Hitler...
michaelr
07-18-2007, 05:50 PM
There are similarities between the policies of our administration and those of Hitler, but that doesn't mean Bush is Hitler. These statements are outrageous.
Only Hitler can be Hitler. The same can be said about the commander in question.....:eek:
michaelr
07-18-2007, 05:55 PM
Bush is a nice guy and one who obeys the laws of this once great country..
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Castle
07-18-2007, 06:46 PM
Wow! Bush is guilty of....... (fill in the blank with anything you desire)
Isn't it about time that the leftist controlled Congress begin impeachment proceedings with this mountain of evidence against Bush? Maybe they can't afford to let their approval ratings slip lower than it already is. Yes....it is lower than Bush's approval rating.
-Castle
michaelr
07-18-2007, 06:54 PM
Wow! Bush is guilty of....... (fill in the blank with anything you desire)
Isn't it about time that the leftist controlled Congress begin impeachment proceedings with this mountain of evidence against Bush? Maybe they can't afford to let their approval ratings slip lower than it already is. Yes....it is lower than Bush's approval rating.
-Castle
Hell, if they did their job then tings would not be so bad. These pathetic pukes who try to look like their in charge of congress are no less criminals than Bush.
We truly live in trying times....
vyo476
07-18-2007, 07:22 PM
Hell, if they did their job then tings would not be so bad. These pathetic pukes who try to look like their in charge of congress are no less criminals than Bush.
We truly live in trying times....
No, we live in the real world. You want "trying times" look at 1860 or 1929.
Castle
07-18-2007, 08:05 PM
Hell, if they did their job then tings would not be so bad. These pathetic pukes who try to look like their in charge of congress are no less criminals than Bush.
We truly live in trying times....
Well that's just it isn't it! What is their job? We all have different opinions of what we think they should be doing but the fact is they are doing NOTHING. Nothing except attempting to gain my favor and yours by constantly searching out failure in current US policy. Do we need them for that? Do I want them for that?....No! I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm quite capable of drawing my own conclusions about where mistakes have been made. I require suggestions for solutions that benefit and protect our country and it's citizens. At least from this point we can decide who we support. I see none of that in this Congress. They are all too happy to criticize Bush and his mistakes while offering little more than petty rhetoric as an alternative.
-Castle
Burning Giraffe
07-19-2007, 03:59 AM
Why arent Republicans demanding he should resign? Remember James Trifficant? Why cant Republicans go after Congressman Ellison like they did to James Trafficant?
Because Republicans shouldn't be like the Democrats and activists. They shouldn't try to force someone to resign because of something that they said. The people in his state or district, that is who should vote him in or out. Not that they ever do, but Republicans should hold themselves to a higher standard.
KingBall
07-19-2007, 04:38 AM
Keith is unfit to be in Congress, He's a racist and a supporter of terrorists.
Ellison's activities on behalf of the Nation of Islam continued well beyond any 18-month period, he was familiar with the Nation of Islam's anti-Semitic views, and he himself mouthed those views.
Ellison was born Catholic in Detroit. He states that he converted to Islam as an undergraduate at Wayne State University. As a third-year student at the University of Minnesota Law School in 1989-90, he wrote two columns for the Minnesota Daily under the name "Keith Hakim." In the first, Ellison refers to "Minister Louis Farrakhan," defends Nation of Islam spokesman Khalid Abdul Muhammad, and speaks in the voice of a Nation of Islam advocate. In the second, "Hakim" demands reparations for slavery and throws in a demand for an optional separate homeland for American blacks. In February 1990, Ellison participated in sponsoring Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael) to speak at the law school on the subject "Zionism: Imperialism, White Supremacy or Both?" Jewish law students met personally with Ellison and appealed to him not to sponsor the speech at the law school; he rejected their appeal, and, as anticipated, Ture gave a notoriously anti-Semitic speech.
Ellison admits that he worked on behalf of the Nation of Islam in 1995. At a rally for the Million Man March held at the University of Minnesota, Ellison appeared onstage with Khalid Abdul Muhammad, who ran true to form: According to a contemporaneous Star Tribune article, "If words were swords, the chests of Jews, gays and whites would be pierced."
Even in 1995, Ellison's work on behalf of the Nation of Islam extended well beyond his promotion of the Million Man March. That year, he dutifully spouted the Farrakhan line when Qubilah Shabazz, the daughter of Malcolm X, was indicted for conspiring to murder Farrakhan. Ellison organized a march on the U.S. attorney's office in Minneapolis demanding that Shabazz be released and alleging that the FBI itself had conspired to kill Farrakhan. In a November 6, 1995, column for the Minneapolis periodical Insight News, Ellison wrote under the name "Keith X Ellison." He condemned a Star Tribune editorial cartoon that was critical of Farrakhan as a role model for blacks because of his anti-Semitism. Ellison argued to the contrary.
Then, in February 1997, Ellison appeared as a local spokesman for the Nation of Islam with the last name "Muhammad." He spoke at a public hearing in connection with a controversy involving Joanne Jackson of the Minnesota Initiative Against Racism (MIAR). Jackson was alleged to have said, "Jews are among the most racist white people I know." Jackson denied making the statement or insisted that it had been taken out of context. Ellison appeared before the MIAR on behalf of the Nation of Islam in defense of Jackson's alleged statement. According to the Star Tribune and the full text of the statement published in the Minneapolis Spokesman-Recorder, Elli son said:
We stand by the truth contained in the remarks attributed to [Ms. Jackson], and by her right to express her views without sanction. Here is why we support Ms. Jackson: She is correct about Minister Farrakhan. He is not a racist. He is also not an anti-Semite. Minister Farrakhan is a tireless public servant of Black people, who constantly teaches self-reliance and self-examination to the Black community. . . . Also, it is absolutely true that merchants in Black areas generally treat Black customers badly.
The last sentence alluded to another of Jackson's alleged statements, providing a personal basis for characterizing Jews as "the most racist white people" she knew. Ellison's May 28 letter acknowledges only that others supported Jackson's alleged statement in that controversy while falsely denying that he himself did so.
Ellison first emerged as a candidate for public office in 1998, when he ran for the DFL nomination for state representative as "Keith Ellison-Muhammad." In a contemporaneous article on his candidacy in the Insight News, Ellison is reported still defending Louis Farrakhan:
Anticipating possible criticism for his NOI affiliation, Ellison-Muhammad says he is aware that not everyone appreciates what the Nation does and feels there is a propaganda war being launched against its leader, Minister Louis Farrakhan.
Ellison says now that he broke with the Nation of Islam when "it became clear to me that their message of empowerment intertwined with more negative messages." However, Ellison himself was the purveyor of the Nation of Islam's noxious party line in his every public utterance touching on related issues over the course of a decade. Moreover, Ellison's unsavory associations were not limited to the Nation of Islam.
Perhaps the lowest moment in Minneapolis's history was the September 1992 execution-style murder of police officer Jerry Haaf. Haaf was shot in the back as he took a coffee break at a restaurant in south Minneapolis. The murder was a gang hit performed by four members of the city's Vice Lords gang. The leader of the Vice Lords was Sharif Willis, a convicted murderer who had been released from prison and who sought respectability as a responsible gang leader from gullible municipal authorities while operating a gang front called United for Peace.
The four Vice Lords members who murdered Haaf met and planned the murder at Willis's house. Two witnesses at the trial of one of the men convicted of Haaf's murder implicated Willis in the planning. Willis was never charged; law enforcement authorities said they lacked sufficient evidence to convict him.
Within a month of Haaf's murder, Ellison appeared with Willis supporting the United for Peace gang front. In October 1992, Ellison helped organize a demonstration against Minneapolis police that included United for Peace. "The main point of our rally is to support United for Peace [in its fight against] the campaign of slander the police federation has been waging," said Ellison.
Willis was the last speaker at the demonstration. According to a contemporaneous report in the St. Paul Pioneer Press, Willis told the crowd that Minneapolis police were experiencing the same fear from young black men that blacks had felt from police for many years. "If the police have some fear, I understand that fear," Willis said. "We seem to have an overabundance of bad police. . . . [W]e're going to get rid of them," Willis said. "They've got to go." The Pioneer Press account concludes with Ellison's contribution to the demonstration: "Ellison told the crowd that the police union is systematically frightening whites in order to get more police officers hired. That way, Ellison said, the union can increase its power base."
Ellison publicly supported the Haaf murder defendants. In February 1993, he spoke at a demonstration for one of them during his trial. Ellison led the crowd assembled at the courthouse in a chant that was ominous in the context of Haaf's cold-blooded murder: "We don't get no justice, you don't get no peace." Ellison's working relationship with Sharif Willis came to an end in February 1995, when Willis was convicted in federal court on several counts of drug and gun-related crimes and sent back to prison for 20 years.
The various themes of Ellison's public commitments and associations all came together in a February 2000 speech he gave at a fundraising event sponsored by the Minnesota chapter of the far-left National Lawyers Guild, on whose steering committee he had served. The event was a fundraiser for former Symbionese Liberation Army member Kathleen Soliah after her apprehension in St. Paul (under the name "Sara Jane Olson") for the attempted murder of Los Angeles police officers in 1975.
Ellison weirdly referred to Soliah/ Olson as a "black gang member" (she is white) and thus a victim of government persecution. He described her as one of those who had been "fighting for freedom in the '60s and '70s" and called for her release. (She subsequently pleaded guilty to charges in Los Angeles and to an additional murder charge in Sacramento; she is serving time in California.) Still toeing the Nation of Islam line, he recalled "Qubilah Shabazz, the daughter of Malcolm X, [who] was prosecuted in retribution against Minister Farrakhan." He also spoke favorably of cop killers Mumia Abu-Jamal and Assata Shakur. (Shakur has been on the lam in Cuba since 1984; last year she was placed on the FBI's domestic terrorists list with a one million dollar reward for her capture.)
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2158
Oh yes the evil Muslim, must be AQ, Hezbolla, AQ in Iraq, EVIL EVIL....You people make me want to puke, HOW ABOUT THIS,, BUSH is EVIL, not unlike Hitler...
Which bit are you denying, that CAIR has questionable ties to Islamic terrorist organizations like Hamas or that Ellison has behaved inappropriately as a lawmaker in his dealings with CAIR?
And when the hell did libertarians co-opt this brand of mealy-mouthed PC nonsense?
Burning Giraffe
07-19-2007, 06:13 AM
Which bit are you denying, that CAIR has questionable ties to Islamic terrorist organizations like Hamas or that Ellison has behaved inappropriately as a lawmaker in his dealings with CAIR?
And when the hell did libertarians co-opt this brand of mealy-mouthed PC nonsense?
Since 2004. :)
Since 2004. :)
:eek:
I wasn't expecting a literal answer there, lol. What happened in 2004 that made libertarians sound like tenured radicals at the university?
ilikeboobs
07-20-2007, 01:43 PM
Ellison - AKA Keith X Mohammed - is the rep for my idiotic district here in MN. This will give you an idea of how dumb the people of this district are:
During the campaign it came out that he had upwards of 30 outstanding parking tickets, he had failed to pay his taxes on a few occasions, he had a straining order out against him by some chick, CAIR supports him, and he hung out with louis farrakhan and his jew-hating clan.
Yet all the liberals loved him. Hmm...maybe because he's black? Maybe because he's a muslim? Maybe because he's a dipsh*t A-hole lawyer who doesn't think the laws should apply to him?
I'm so embarrassed that this guy represents me.
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