bin Laden recites Democratic talking points in new video

[USMC the Almighty]

Bin Laden: "It has now become clear to you and the entire world the impotence of the democratic system and how it plays with the interests of the peoples and their blood by sacrificing soldiers and populations to achieve the interests of the major corporations."

He also commented on the two ways to end the war: "The first is from our side, and it is to continue to escalate the killing and fighting against you," bin Laden says, according to the transcript published by ABC. The second is to do away with the American democratic system of government (i.e. cut and run).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070907/ap_on_go_ot/us_bin_laden

In addition to using the DNC talking points about "the interests of major corporations", bin Laden addresses the American people directly saying: "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped.

"Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there."

"To conclude," bin Laden says, "I invite you to embrace Islam."

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jF-I3mpEsoYVjKQpyZgEH-BxV5Qw

Bin Laden also spoke to the ongoing situation in Iraq throughout the tape, heavily criticizing the Bush administration.

bin Laden says to the American people, "you made one of your greatest mistakes, in that you neither brought to account nor punished those who waged this war, not even the most violent of its murderers, [former Defense Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld…"

"You permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you -- with your full knowledge and consent -- to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then you claim to be innocent! The innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th -- were I to claim such a thing."

Bin Laden says President Bush's words echo "neoconservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Richard Perle."

He goes on to call Noam Chomsky "among one of the most capable of those from your own side," and mentions global warming and "the Kyoto accord."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/osama_bin_laden/index.html

So to recap -- Global Warming, Kyoto Treaty, Noam Chomsky, "neoconservatives", American people mandating end to the war...he probably even mentioned somewhere the need for universal healthcare.

Sounds like Osama and most of the Democrats have the same speechwriter.

[Popeye]

Sounds like Osama and most of the Democrats have the same speechwriter.

You forgot to add that it's been a Republican regime that has allowed Osama to run so free and easy these past 6 years. Why?, because we've been occupied in a Republican war in Iraq.

[USMC the Almighty]

You forgot to add that it's been a Republican regime that has allowed Osama to run so free and easy these past 6 years. Why?, because we've been occupied in a Republican war in Iraq.

Not really sure what this has to do with anything, but I'll respond anyway.

Free and easy? In all liklihood, he's hiding in a cave somewhere in NW Pakistan. Now, you won't get any support from me. I think President Bush screwed up royally in the Tora Bora mountains and I do wish he would dedicate more resources to going after Osama, but I find Clinton and Berger to be at fault in rejecting the capture of Osama on at least two occassions.

However, I think it's silly to assume that the Iraq War is the reason we haven't caught bin Laden. And further, what's with your insistence that Iraq is a "Republican" war? Some 30 Democratic senators (including some of your beloved presidential candidates) and some 80 Democratic members of the House also voted for this war.

[top gun]

You forgot to add that it's been a Republican regime that has allowed Osama to run so free and easy these past 6 years. Why?, because we've been occupied in a Republican war in Iraq.

Good post but they won't ever accept any responsibility.

But how can they really? They won't admit it but deep down inside they know. Their side lied about Iraq being involved in 9-11... lied about Hussein's nuclear program... lied about the Iraqis stockpiling WMD's... invaded a sovereign country under false pretense.

All the time Bin Laden has been roaming around between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Heck Clinton got much closer to killing him than anyone else has and this huge fandango by Bush (while mostly in the wrong country I'll grant you but in the same general part of the world) has what a couple hundred thousand troops and still no Bin Laden?

Hey you know at this point I'm almost glad the administration is stuck on stupid. I mean I do feel sorry for the troops and the $10,000,000,000 (TEN BILLION) per month in taxpayer money hemorrhage but if this is what it takes to wake everyone up that the Republicans have got to be removed in large numbers... so be it!

[Popeye]

However, I think it's silly to assume that the Iraq War is the reason we haven't caught bin Laden. And further, what's with your insistence that Iraq is a "Republican" war? Some 30 Democratic senators (including some of your beloved presidential candidates) and some 80 Democratic members of the House also voted for this war.

If just a portion of the resources used in Iraq had been used in going after Osama, who knows what might have happened. As for the Democrats who voted for the war, you're correct, I can't countenance their votes.

[USMC the Almighty]

Hey you know at this point I'm almost glad the administration is stuck on stupid. I mean I do feel sorry for the troops and the $10,000,000,000 (TEN BILLION) per month in taxpayer money hemorrhage but if this is what it takes to wake everyone up that the Republicans have got to be removed in large numbers... so be it!

This is really incredible. I don't think I've ever seen someone be so outwardly partisan. Let me make sure I've got this correct -- you don't mind 10 billion dollars a month and 3000 American lives being spent in what you believe is an unjust war because it will cost a few politicians their seats in the next election cycle?

The Democrats are no better than the Republicans and they have only proved that since last November. Their just more big government bureaucracy, more "Washington as usual", politics and party before country. The political system in this country is seriously broken and this kind of partisan hackery that you've displayed does nothing to help.

[USMC the Almighty]

The Democrats are no better than the Republicans and they have only proved that since last November. Their just more big government bureaucracy, more "Washington as usual", politics and party before country. The political system in this country is seriously broken and this kind of partisan hackery that you've displayed does nothing to help.

And one other thing -- videos of Osama bin Laden goose stepping with the Democrats isn't going to help their political chances.

[top gun]

This is really incredible. I don't think I've ever seen someone be so outwardly partisan. Let me make sure I've got this correct -- you don't mind 10 billion dollars a month and 3000 American lives being spent in what you believe is an unjust war because it will cost a few politicians their seats in the next election cycle?

The Democrats are no better than the Republicans and they have only proved that since last November. Their just more big government bureaucracy, more "Washington as usual", politics and party before country. The political system in this country is seriously broken and this kind of partisan hackery that you've displayed does nothing to help.

No that's not what I said at all!

It's not hard... follow along this time...

I'm saying that the Democrats have done all they can short of completely cutting off funds and gambling that the insane brotherhood of Bush/Cheney might just let our troops in the field do without for a while just as they did with armor instead of immediately starting a redeployment.

The incredible thing is that 70% or more of Americans want this redeployment and the Republicans continue to thumb their noses at the country because they still retain enough votes to block Democratic efforts plus they have their buddy George standing by with the veto pen in case any positive action gets past their obstruction!

Bush grew this government monster not the Dems this time my friend. You own this one.

America wants change. They have good reason to want it. And they'll get their chance in a little over a year. Stuck on stupid isn't a strategy. Redeploying our brave troops out of harms way by stopping this ridiculous Nation Building campaign and turning up the heat where Bin Laden really is... is!!!

[Popeye]

And one other thing -- videos of Osama bin Laden goose stepping with the Democrats isn't going to help their political chances.

The only party that's done anything close to "goose stepping" has been the Republicans, with the fascist Bush-Cheney regime. I think the majority of the public now understands that.

[USMC the Almighty]

The only party that's done anything close to "goose stepping" has been the Republicans, with the fascist Bush-Cheney regime. I think the majority of the public now understands that.

You're unbelievable.

[Reliant]

No that's not what I said at all!

It's not hard... follow along this time...

I'm saying that the Democrats have done all they can short of completely cutting off funds and gambling that the insane brotherhood of Bush/Cheney might just let our troops in the field do without for a while just as they did with armor instead of immediately starting a redeployment.

The incredible thing is that 70% or more of Americans want this redeployment and the Republicans continue to thumb their noses at the country because they still retain enough votes to block Democratic efforts plus they have their buddy George standing by with the veto pen in case any positive action gets past their obstruction!

Bush grew this government monster not the Dems this time my friend. You own this one.

America wants change. They have good reason to want it. And they'll get their chance in a little over a year. Stuck on stupid isn't a strategy. Redeploying our brave troops out of harms way by stopping this ridiculous Nation Building campaign and turning up the heat where Bin Laden really is... is!!!

Nail! Head! The Repubs will desperately try to blame others for their malfeasance and incompetence. Anything rational that the Dems try to do is spun and twisted by the neo-con propaganda machine until it looks nothing like the original intent. An orderly withdrawal is called "cut-and-run", withholding funds for an unjust war is "leaving our troops to die in the desert", how freaking partisan can Repubs get??

[Popeye]

You're unbelievable.

Believe it, the ghosts of fascism are alive and well in such things as the Patriot Act.

[USMC the Almighty]

I'm saying that the Democrats have done all they can short of completely cutting off funds and gambling that the insane brotherhood of Bush/Cheney might just let our troops in the field do without for a while just as they did with armor instead of immediately starting a redeployment.

The incredible thing is that 70% or more of Americans want this redeployment and the Republicans continue to thumb their noses at the country because they still retain enough votes to block Democratic efforts plus they have their buddy George standing by with the veto pen in case any positive action gets past their obstruction!

And this is where you're wrong. Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are two Democrats who have a plan to end the war immediately. The Democrats who claim they "don't have the votes" are copping out for political reasons.


Bush grew this government monster not the Dems this time my friend. You own this one.

No argument from me here.


America wants change. They have good reason to want it. And they'll get their chance in a little over a year. Stuck on stupid isn't a strategy. Redeploying our brave troops out of harms way by stopping this ridiculous Nation Building campaign and turning up the heat where Bin Laden really is... is!!!

I agree America want's change. I want change but I have absolutely no reason to believe that the Democrats represent anything but more big government "Washington as usual" bureaucracy.

As I've said before, the system is broken. Washington isn't working right now. As such, I don't think it's a good idea to put a party in charge that wants to turn over even more to the government (such as our health). I believe that the conservative Republicans are closer to reality in their core doctrine of low taxes, small government, entrepeneurship and private sector job stimulation.

[top gun]

USMC the Almighty;21845]And this is where you're wrong. Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are two Democrats who have a plan to end the war immediately. The Democrats who claim they "don't have the votes" are copping out for political reasons.

They don't have the votes to do anything but cut off money and you know that my friend.

I will say not all Republicans are on the wrong side of this debate. Hagel, Lugar, Warren, Ron Paul and the list goes on are trying to do what the American people have mandated and will continue to mandate through democratic elections until it's completed.

If the neo-cons have the rest of the Republican Party so locked up that they insist on shooting themselves in the foot... they deserve exactly what they're getting... voted out.

I agree America want's change. I want change but I have absolutely no reason to believe that the Democrats represent anything but more big government "Washington as usual" bureaucracy.

As I've said before, the system is broken. Washington isn't working right now. As such, I don't think it's a good idea to put a party in charge that wants to turn over even more to the government (such as our health). I believe that the conservative Republicans are closer to reality in their core doctrine of low taxes, small government, entrepeneurship and private sector job stimulation.

And you're entitled to your opinion. But I know the Democrats are not the ones who grew this current government to all time BIGNESS! It was the Republicans. The Democrats may well be able to take the power and "profit before care" out of the hands of the drug and insurance lobby... I don't know, we'll see.

But Americans know one thing right now... we're on the wrong path.

And... even the longest journey begins with the first step!

[Castle]

But Americans know one thing right now... we're on the wrong path.
Well I expect Americans know another thing right now too..... you don't substitute one wrong path for another.

-Castle

[PoliticalMessager]

You forgot to add that it's been a Republican regime that has allowed Osama to run so free and easy these past 6 years. Why?, because we've been occupied in a Republican war in Iraq.

Popeye, I agree with you 200%, and the Republicians won't
admit that they're the biggest part of the Iraqi problem.
As you noticed a whole page was taken up talking about the
Democrats, but nothing was mentioned about the Republican regime.

I don't support Osama in no kinda way, but I must agree with him
talking about the Republicans and the Democrats, and for these
last few months for Bush to be in Power....watch out.

[top gun]

Well I expect Americans know another thing right now too..... you don't substitute one wrong path for another.

-Castle

We shall see. If America wants "Bush light"... wants to be an occupying force in Iraq forever... wants to keep spending their children's money at $10,000,000,000 (TEN BILLION) per month... likes the hypocrisy of a Party that damns minorities to get votes from their neo-con base while they themselves have had a rash of corruption and a revolving door to the gay lifestyle................... by all means vote Republican.

There is only one real hope for positive change and it's not going to come from any Elephant. America knows it's way past time the Donkey does the ASS KICKIN"!!! ;)

[top gun]

Administrator,

What's going on with the posting rules. It's been coming up... may not edit... may not post attachments lately? As you can see above somehow a double post went up. Can't do anything about it. What's going on all the sudden?

[vyo476]

Administrator,

What's going on with the posting rules. It's been coming up... may not edit... may not post attachments lately? As you can see above somehow a double post went up. Can't do anything about it. What's going on all the sudden?

The News section does this sometimes. We had a problem a few months ago with a thread in the News section that wasn't allowing the Edit feature. I think you can still put a request in to one of the mods for them to change something if it's really bugging you.

[top gun]

The News section does this sometimes. We had a problem a few months ago with a thread in the News section that wasn't allowing the Edit feature. I think you can still put a request in to one of the mods for them to change something if it's really bugging you.

Thanks... It looks like they took out the double post and I have different capabilities on different threads. Must just be a glitch. Appreciate the heads up though!

[r0beph]

The reason this speech sounds like a political speech from the far left wing, is because it sort of is. The writer of this speech for Osama Bin Laden was Adam Gadahn ("Azzam The American"), a 28 year old american (who also of note, is the first to be charged with treason in absentia since the 50s) His writing is heavy with anti-globalization and other far far left ideologies, so this is typical of him.

[PoliticalMessager]

That's one feature that should remain on threads
at all times, due to the fact that alots of us do
make mistakes, and the only way to correct a
mistake is to edited it.

RETURN THE EDITED BUTTON!!!!!!

[top gun]

The reason this speech sounds like a political speech from the far left wing, is because it sort of is. The writer of this speech for Osama Bin Laden was Adam Gadahn ("Azzam The American"), a 28 year old american (who also of note, is the first to be charged with treason in absentia since the 50s) His writing is heavy with anti-globalization and other far far left ideologies, so this is typical of him.

I think it's important to agree that both extremes are unacceptable and neither the Right or the Left are representative of far out world extremes.

Socialism<<<<<<< (US FAR LEFT Moderate US FAR RIGHT) >>>>>>>Fascist Theocracy

[USMC the Almighty]

That's one feature that should remain on threads
at all times, due to the fact that alots of us do
make mistakes, and the only way to correct a
mistake is to edited it.

RETURN THE EDITED BUTTON!!!!!!

I'm not sure why you are having problems with your "edit" button -- mine works fine. I'll contact Admin and see what he can do.

[palerider]

Believe it, the ghosts of fascism are alive and well in such things as the Patriot Act.

Are you one of those who says "fascism" because you actually know what fascism means, or because you don't have a clue but it sounds bad so you figure it must have something to do with republicans.

How about you describe exactly how you associate the patriot act with fascism.

[vyo476]

Are you one of those who says "fascism" because you actually know what fascism means, or because you don't have a clue but it sounds bad so you figure it must have something to do with republicans.

How about you describe exactly how you associate the patriot act with fascism.

Don't even bother. The vast majority of people I've met who talk about "fascism" can't draw a distinction between it and Nazism. Before long you'll get sick of educating the masses.

[Popeye]

Are you one of those who says "fascism" because you actually know what fascism means, or because you don't have a clue but it sounds bad so you figure it must have something to do with republicans.

How about you describe exactly how you associate the patriot act with fascism.

I consider easing the restrictions on law enforcement so that they can search telephone,financial,medical, e mail,and other records without traditional warrants to be an infringement on our civil rights. Add to that, the expanding of the term terrorists to include so called domestic terrorists means all of the above can be applied to U.S. citizens. If that's not echoes of fascism, then I don't know what is.

[palerider]

I consider easing the restrictions on law enforcement so that they can search telephone,financial,medical, e mail,and other records without traditional warrants to be an infringement on our civil rights. Add to that, the expanding of the term terrorists to include so called domestic terrorists means all of the above can be applied to U.S. citizens. If that's not echoes of fascism, then I don't know what is.

Then you do not know what is. Describe fascism as a political theory and as it was practiced and then show me how the patriot act is fascism.

[top gun]

I consider easing the restrictions on law enforcement so that they can search telephone,financial,medical, e mail,and other records without traditional warrants to be an infringement on our civil rights. Add to that, the expanding of the term terrorists to include so called domestic terrorists means all of the above can be applied to U.S. citizens. If that's not echoes of fascism, then I don't know what is.

Bush has aggressively worked to create a consolidation of power in the Executive Branch with only one example being the taking the court system out of the equation with the Patriot Act. You also have his obvious nationalism and thinly veiled dislike for Muslims and any country that is not in complete lock step with American policy. You have of course not full fascism but many of the leanings in more of that direction than before Bush for sure!

When you look at the definitions it's not hard to pick out some similarities. Good post!


fas·cism [fash-iz-uhm]
–noun 1. a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

fascism
noun
a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)

[Popeye]

Then you do not know what is. Describe fascism as a political theory and as it was practiced and then show me how the patriot act is fascism.

There's also warrantless searches of home and property, arrest and indefinite detention of suspects without charges or trial. Maybe not pure fascism at it's height but, without out a doubt, leaning in that direction.

[jb_1430]

There's also warrantless searches of home and property, arrest and indefinite detention of suspects without charges or trial. Maybe not pure fascism at it's height but, without out a doubt, leaning in that direction.


These things apply to enemy combatants not citizens. I get the impression you dont even know what fascism means.

[USMC the Almighty]

I am still waiting for one of you libs to draw even one parallel between the patriot act and facism as policial philosophy or political reality.

Clearly popeye, you are a liberal sheep who simply repeats whatever you are told to repeat with no actual knowledge to guide you.

Top dog has alread shown that he rarely knows what he is talking about and proved it by posting a definition that clearly does not characterize the US in any real way. Only a hysterical handwringer could equate that definition to reality.

I didn't really expect for you to be able to draw parallels since there are not. Being one who actually knows what facism is in both political theory and practice, I simply wanted for you to demonstrate your ignorance. Thank you for obliging me.

Don't hold your breath. In another thread, KeepOurFreedoms declared in a brilliantly thought out one-line post that the PATRIOT Act is "evil". When I asked him to be more specific, his response was predictable:

Evil is Evil.

Have you read the Patriot Act?

[top gun]

I am still waiting for one of you libs to draw even one parallel between the patriot act and facism as policial philosophy or political reality.

Clearly popeye, you are a liberal sheep who simply repeats whatever you are told to repeat with no actual knowledge to guide you.

Top dog has alread shown that he rarely knows what he is talking about and proved it by posting a definition that clearly does not characterize the US in any real way. Only a hysterical handwringer could equate that definition to reality.

I didn't really expect for you to be able to draw parallels since there are not. Being one who actually knows what facism is in both political theory and practice, I simply wanted for you to demonstrate your ignorance. Thank you for obliging me.

I would advise no one to respond to you.

You are insulting people by changing their names and blatant name calling. I know USMC is on this thread and even though we are not in agreement on the topic I would expect him to see these personal attacks and discipline them so a civil discussion could continue.

In thousands of posts on 6 different boards with hundreds of disagreements... this will be the first post I have ever felt that I had to report for a personal attack. It's went on to long with this poster and I hope the moderates will step in. If not this will escalate quickly.

[9sublime]

I'm sorry but I don't consider being called a Top Dog to be anything near an insult and a liberal sheep is more of a political reference than an insult.

I am not willing to turn this board into a giant wet blanket. Sorry.

[top gun]

I'm sorry but I don't consider being called a Top Dog to be anything near an insult and a liberal sheep is more of a political reference than an insult.

I am not willing to turn this board into a giant wet blanket. Sorry.

All I can do is report it. This is far from the beginning or the end. I've been through this before with palerider... it's baiting pure and simple. Let it go but if you follow his posts it's not hard to see it's insult bullying pure and simple.

Hopefully others will report him when he continues to do this... and something will eventually be done.

I'll just not respond since this is allowed.

[palerider]

I would advise no one to respond to you.

You are insulting people by changing their names and blatant name calling. I know USMC is on this thread and even though we are not in agreement on the topic I would expect him to see these personal attacks and discipline them so a civil discussion could continue.

In thousands of posts on 6 different boards with hundreds of disagreements... this will be the first post I have ever felt that I had to report for a personal attack. It's went on to long with this poster and I hope the moderates will step in. If not this will escalate quickly.

My apologies. I had no intention of any sort of personal insult. I simply typed top dog instead of top gun. Me thinks you are just a bit too sensitive but you have my most sincere apology.

[palerider]

If I could, I would gladly edit the post to say that "top gun" has shown that he rarely knows what he is talking about....

[palerider]

By the way, I am still waiting for some actual parallel between the patriot act and fascism.

[palerider]

Also top gun, if you had been following his posts, you would have seen that it was popeye who first refered to conservatives as political sheep. I was merely pointing out the irony dripping from his post.

[USMC the Almighty]

I'm sorry but I don't consider being called a Top Dog to be anything near an insult and a liberal sheep is more of a political reference than an insult.

I am not willing to turn this board into a giant wet blanket. Sorry.

I agree with 9sublime. Palerider might poke a little fun at someone individually here and there -- we all do. This board sees a lot worse stuff than this on a daily basis. Thicker skin, top gun. No foul.

[palerider]

I agree with 9sublime. Palerider might poke a little fun at someone individually here and there -- we all do. This board sees a lot worse stuff than this on a daily basis. Thicker skin, top gun. No foul.

I have apologized for accidentally typing top dog rather than top gun. No jibe was intended, it was simply a slip.

[top gun]

I agree with 9sublime. Palerider might poke a little fun at someone individually here and there -- we all do. This board sees a lot worse stuff than this on a daily basis. Thicker skin, top gun. No foul.

It wasn't about that guys. This was just the beginning. I was trying to keep this from getting were it's been numerous times with this poster from other threads. This is how it starts. Repeated personal insults & attacks. PM me if you want any specifics.

I reported the post just to make it clear who's initiating. The name change thing was the least of it. Believe me it wouldn't take much to convince me that pale's typing skills could be as weak as his arguments, but still... don't want to be the one that just throws the crap back and gets called out for it.

If I had a choice I'd really rather not go into it that way at all... you know...

Never wrestle with a pig. You'll just get dirty and the pig will like it! ;)

[9sublime]

If you have a problem with past posts or future posts from people hurling personal insults, report them for violating the rules and we'll have a look at them.

If the insults are more than 'top dog', 'liberal sheep' and 'handwringer', then they may be taken seriously. However, the post you actually reported was not insulting at all in my opinion and apparently everyone elses.

[9sublime]

If we could get back to debating the point though.

[USMC the Almighty]

If we could get back to debating the point though.

Right, thanks 9sublime. So what do our new partisan hacks Popeye and Reliant have to say about Osama bin Laden hiring a speechwriter who's salary is paid by the Democratic party?

[PoliticalMessager]

It seems to me like nobody wants the other to know more then
each other, and I think that its childish to argue on the internet.
I also feel that these message boards are created to share our
common interest together, but I also understand that in reality
there is always one who wants to be a know it all, and believe
me there's enough knowledge and information for all of us to
benefit from.

9Sub, I also think that the tone (attitude) that's behind many
of these posts is a violation, due to the fact that its always
seem to be the situation how a person reply, and to me others
do have the rights to react.

The TOS needs to be re-written in order to stop this so-called
non-tos bullcrap. There is a internet law about bullying, and as
far as I am concerned correcting someone on their comments
is far different then a debate.(You know who I am talking about
9Sub).

Stating facts and disputing facts falls under two different classes.

[Reliant]

Right, thanks 9sublime. So what do our new partisan hacks Popeye and Reliant have to say about Osama bin Laden hiring a speechwriter who's salary is paid by the Democratic party?

I wasn't aware that OBL used a speech writer paid by the Dems. But, if he did, at least that explains why his latest oration was coherent, articular, lucid, and systematic. Perhaps Bush should get one too.

[top gun]

See what I mean. This is not on any topic. It's just but beat up on someone. It's all personal insults. You guys are leaving it up on the board and letting him just continue to bash away freely. No subject. Nothing to do with the subject @ all.

top gun, I believe your problem with me lies in the fact that you get your ass handed to you every time you attempt to argue a point with me. I have apologized for the slip and in a fashion that I could have predicted, you have neither accepted the apology nor told me to kiss your a$$. You are behaving like an old lady who has her panties twisted into a wad.

[9sublime]

So far, I have not seen a personal 'insult' worth giving someone an infraction for. This is a political discussion and debate forum, its not going to be nice all the time, and if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

I am not going to turn this forum into a safe harbour for political correctness crusaders.

[PoliticalMessager]

So far, I have not seen a personal 'insult' worth giving someone an infraction for. This is a political discussion and debate forum, its not going to be nice all the time, and if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

I am not going to turn this forum into a safe harbour for political correctness crusaders.


9Sub, I love that saying...If you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen.
Heck Yeah its going to get so hot until you will melt. Especially when every
body wants to be right,and nobody wants to be wrong. I can't understand
why most of us are so-called adults can't discuss or debate without all the
(I am going to show you I know more) (Religion Bashing), and the personal
insults.

What's going on amoung us here on most forum sites is what's going on
in the real world (confusion & name calling). One thing about any debate
or discussion it flows in the direction that its ran, and if its not ran in a
peaceful manner then the topic is a wasted of time discussing.

[top gun]

top gun, I believe your problem with me lies in the fact that you get your ass handed to you every time you attempt to argue a point with me. I have apologized for the slip and in a fashion that I could have predicted, you have neither accepted the apology nor told me to kiss your a$$. You are behaving like an old lady who has her panties twisted into a wad.

Since the mods won't step in I guess I will have to address you at least one more time.

We've been over this before... you could never beat me at anything and you know it. Hiding behind a computer screen and winging insults at people because you don't agree... or in your case just emotionally sabre rattling because your position is either A) just plain weak or... B) ridiculous and already decided in the other direction doesn't make you smart. It only makes you look mean spirited, which I'm pretty sure is as good as you probably get.

On the apology... I didn't say anything about it because it obviously wasn't sincere . It's not about the dog v. gun thing (which by the way also obviously wouldn't be just a typo, it was just a childish way of acting out)... it was the overall needlessly insulting text when I hadn't said a word to ya.

On being old and wearing panties... I'll leave that for you to be the authority on. I really wouldn't know anything about it.

Avoiding you now but still willing to throttle you from time to time as circumstances warrant... case closed.

[vyo476]

You know what, pale rider, top gun? It'd be really great if a third party would step in and examine everything that's gone down between the two of you and see if either of you "won" or if you're both just blowing smoke out of your asses.

I'd do it, but I have neither the patience to wade through all the **** nor the energy, owing to the sheer amount of it. I mean, pale, don't you get tired of winding up at this point where the people you're basically in an insult war with whoever you were debating? It's happened with Roker, Mare, and now top gun. It must be getting old.

[9sublime]

I'm sorry but I haven't seen anything said by palerider that constitues a real insult. All the sort of stuff he's said is harmless and is thrown round a lot of threads, nobody else complains, they just get on with the discussion. Sure, the forum would probably be slightly better without them, but you are the first to complain about the 'panties in a twist' cheap shot which others have used here before.

As soon as real insults come out, we will deal with them. As of yet, I'm not going to turn this place into a ridiculously censored place.

[palerider]

We've been over this before... you could never beat me at anything and you know it. Hiding behind a computer screen and winging insults at people because you don't agree... or in your case just emotionally sabre rattling because your position is either A) just plain weak or... B) ridiculous and already decided in the other direction doesn't make you smart. It only makes you look mean spirited, which I'm pretty sure is as good as you probably get.

topgun, I thouroughly kicked your ass on the abortion thread before I accidentally called you topdog. When I referenced you, it was to highlight the fact that you like the roe decision but were completely unable to defend it in any way and were unable to answer any of the constitutional, or legal questions brought up in regards to roe other than to simply say that the way I see it isn't the way the court sees it.

You like the decision but you can't defend it. You lost that debate because you were unable to defend roe in any other manner than to say that it was decided as it was decided. That does not constitute a win by any stretch of the imagination in either a formal or informal debate.

If you are feeling froggy, however, I would be happy to meet you in a formal moderated debate on the subject at a time of your choosing.

On the apology... I didn't say anything about it because it obviously wasn't sincere . It's not about the dog v. gun thing (which by the way also obviously wouldn't be just a typo, it was just a childish way of acting out)... it was the overall needlessly insulting text when I hadn't said a word to ya.

You are psychic now as well? If I didn't mean it, I wouldn't have said it. The moderators had already told you to stop your whining and there was no need for me to apologize to keep myself out of trouble with them. I apologized because it was a slip.

Avoiding you now but still willing to throttle you from time to time as circumstances warrant... case closed.[/COLOR]

Like I said, any time you feel froggy, hop on up. Or avoid me and snipe from the sidelines line an old lady.

[palerider]

You know what, pale rider, top gun? It'd be really great if a third party would step in and examine everything that's gone down between the two of you and see if either of you "won" or if you're both just blowing smoke out of your asses.

Anyone who examined the content of our discussion would find that he was in favor of the roe decision but was completely unable to defend any constitutional or legal issues that brought the constitutionality of the decision into question beyond simply pointing out that roe still stands.

That doesn't constitute a win in either formal or informal debate. If you can't defend a legal decison, then why bother speaking on it at all?

I'd do it, but I have neither the patience to wade through all the **** nor the energy, owing to the sheer amount of it. I mean, pale, don't you get tired of winding up at this point where the people you're basically in an insult war with whoever you were debating? It's happened with Roker, Mare, and now top gun. It must be getting old.

Yeah, it gets a bit old, but then it always ends up that way with liberals and libertarians. They expend their bucket of spew and throw out their talking points and then their wad is shot. They are rarely, if ever, able to defend any of their postions on an intellectual level so they either throw out the "aggree to dissagree" line and run away or switch to personal attack.

[Popeye]

Yeah, it gets a bit old, but then it always ends up that way with liberals and libertarians. They expend their bucket of spew and throw out their talking points and then their wad is shot. They are rarely, if ever, able to defend any of their postions on an intellectual level so they either throw out the "aggree to dissagree" line and run away or switch to personal attack.

Now lets calm down, go watch Fox News, maybe read a little Nietzsche, say the Pledge of Allegiance, you'll feel like your old self in no time.

[palerider]

Now lets calm down, go watch Fox News, maybe read a little Nietzsche, say the Pledge of Allegiance, you'll feel like your old self in no time.

I am still waiting for you to draw some valid parallels between fascism and the patriot act.

You are doing the very thing that I just said that liberals typically do. You claimed fascism, dodged the challenge to intellectually defend your claim, and now you toss out childish insult when you should be defending your claim.

How much more predictable could you possibly be?

[9sublime]

Now lets calm down, go watch Fox News, maybe read a little Nietzsche, say the Pledge of Allegiance, you'll feel like your old self in no time.

I like you a lot.