Civilian Death Toll in Iraq May Top One Million

[Truth-Bringer]

Civilian Death Toll in Iraq May Top One Million

Article link (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-iraq14sep14,1,1207545.story?coll=la-news-a_section&ctrack=2&cset=true)

That's civilians already dead, not some projection into the future. But who cares, no big deal, as long as Bush can cling to the fantasy that he has some legacy (other than as Worst President ever) to salvage if only he stays the course.

[Horizon]

the number of civilian deaths in iraq were over 1 million long ago. or is the article talking about another 1 million!

[bewitched]

that's in dog years, right?
a million? hardly.

[Horizon]

that's in dog years, right?
a million? hardly.
greet's

no, that's in human years [1yr = 365 days + 6hr]

more than a million.

[heyjude]

I think it is a believable number. In the VN war, I got very sick of the news continually telling about dead Americans and never mentioning dead Vien Namese. To me that just says that we do not care at all about the people we are supposed to be saving.

And we keep doing it. Every country we fight in, our people are the only ones who matter. As Truth Bringer said, "big deal."

[bewitched]

maybe a million displaced, not dead.
but of course the Islamic source will point and tell you that a million people are now gone.
in translation it means they are in Syria, Iran, and other places... not Allah's garden in heaven with 72 virgins.

[heyjude]

You may be right bewitched. What do women get? I have no use for 72 virgins.

[Bunz]

Without having access to the article, I am not sure if those numbers are accurate, I do know from talking to those on the ground that the situation since the surge has improved but it is a fragile one.
Also, considering it is an insurgency, I wonder what the definition of a civilian is versus a fighter.
I think it is a believable number. In the VN war, I got very sick of the news continually telling about dead Americans and never mentioning dead Vien Namese. To me that just says that we do not care at all about the people we are supposed to be saving.
If one looks at the situation in the Vietnam war, they quit taking body counts of enemy dead by and large. The reasoning is not to glorify those deaths in a numbers of our dead versus thiers. I can somewhat understand the reasoning behind it.
As for caring about casualties, I think the far majority of Americans, especially service members do care. If it were up to me, the Iraqis would be living peacefully and enjoying the prosperity they deserve after decades of war and oppression caused by thier own leadership, despite having a very considerable amount of resource wealth within thier borders. Whose fault it is they dont have that situation is debatable and I dont have a simple answer to that issue.

On a side note:
What do women get? I have no use for 72 virgins.
I am a heterosexual man, and really have little desire for that many virgins.

[bewitched]

You may be right bewitched. What do women get? I have no use for 72 virgins.

women have little rights in Islam... and in Allah's heaven.

[Popeye]

women have little rights in Islam... and in Allah's heaven.

Fundamentalist Christian Mike Huckabee-"A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.”

Looks like women have little rights under Fundamentalist Christianity as well.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/11/mike-huckabee-women-should-submit-to-their-husbands/

[Bunz]

Looks like women have little rights under Fundamentalist Christianity as well.
Popeye, as usual your partisan shows through...tell me this my friend, how much influence do you think his religion would have over his Presidency?

I dont think Huckabee is such a bad guy, he would make an alright President after he gets his foreign policy figured out.

[Popeye]

Popeye, as usual your partisan shows through...tell me this my friend, how much influence do you think his religion would have over his Presidency?

I dont think Huckabee is such a bad guy, he would make an alright President after he gets his foreign policy figured out.



Mike Huckabee is a religious fanatic. One of his first acts as governor of Arkansas was to block Medicaid from funding an abortion for a mentally retarded teen-ager who had been raped by her stepfather. An act in direct violation of federal law. Real nice.

He doesn't believe in evolution, in fact he thinks the earth is only 6000 years old. Give me a break. As president, the Huckster would support a constitutional amendment banning abortion. You can be sure religion would always come before science. “Science changes with every generation and with new discoveries, and God doesn’t,” he says. Get ready for intelligent design.

His entire policy, foreign and domestic, would be reflective of what he thinks his God wants him to do.

We need a president not a preacher.

[bewitched]

Mike Huckabee is a religious fanatic. One of his first acts as governor of Arkansas was to block Medicaid from funding an abortion for a mentally retarded teen-ager who had been raped by her stepfather. An act in direct violation of federal law. Real nice.

He doesn't believe in evolution, in fact he thinks the earth is only 6000 years old. Give me a break. As president, the Huckster would support a constitutional amendment banning abortion. You can be sure religion would always come before science. “Science changes with every generation and with new discoveries, and God doesn’t,” he says. Get ready for intelligent design.

His entire policy, foreign and domestic, would be reflective of what he thinks his God wants him to do.

We need a president not a preacher.
wow, I didn't realize he was such a weirdo. thanks for the info.

[PLC1]

Mike Huckabee is a religious fanatic. One of his first acts as governor of Arkansas was to block Medicaid from funding an abortion for a mentally retarded teen-ager who had been raped by her stepfather. An act in direct violation of federal law. Real nice.

He doesn't believe in evolution, in fact he thinks the earth is only 6000 years old. Give me a break. As president, the Huckster would support a constitutional amendment banning abortion. You can be sure religion would always come before science. “Science changes with every generation and with new discoveries, and God doesn’t,” he says. Get ready for intelligent design.

His entire policy, foreign and domestic, would be reflective of what he thinks his God wants him to do.

We need a president not a preacher.

I'm not really a Huckabee supporter, but I think you have misrepresented his view.

Check out what he has to say on the issue of the age of the Earth and evolution here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BFEhkIujA)

[Popeye]

I'm not really a Huckabee supporter, but I think you have misrepresented his view.

Check out what he has to say on the issue of the age of the Earth and evolution here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BFEhkIujA)

In a Republican candidate debate, the candidates were asked if there was anyone who doesn't believe in evolution. Brownback, Tancredo, and Huckabee raised their hands. Can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E

That link you gave me, just showed Huckabee dancing around the issue. Proving that, if nothing else, he is a politician.

[Bunz]

Popeye, I am curious as to who you support these days?

[Popeye]

Popeye, I am curious as to who you support these days?

Hi Bunz, I support John Edwards. Among other things, I think he's right on when he talks about there being two Americas, and I think he gives the Democrats the best chance to win.

[Bunz]

Interesting, notes Popeye. I really like Biden, but he doesnt have a realistic shot, he would be my first pick actually.
As for Edwards, I would also agree with his views on there being two Americas. I dont care for his persona to much though. He seems kind of phoney to me. Plus I was very disappointed with the Kerry/Edwards campaign in 04. They could have won it, just seemed unmotivated and unwilling to do what it takes to win.
On the GOP side, without knowing a ton about his actual policies, Huckabee does come off as a likable guy. I dont like Rudy, Mitt seems way to stuffy elitist, I would like to see McCain come out in the GOP personally.
This is all subject to change though at this point.

[PLC1]

In a Republican candidate debate, the candidates were asked if there was anyone who doesn't believe in evolution. Brownback, Tancredo, and Huckabee raised their hands. Can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E

That link you gave me, just showed Huckabee dancing around the issue. Proving that, if nothing else, he is a politician.

As he explained, what not believing in evolution means to him is not believing that life on Earth came about without a creator. He didn't dance around the issue of whether there is a creator, just that he doesn't know how the creation took place.

[Popeye]

As he explained, what not believing in evolution means to him is not believing that life on Earth came about without a creator. He didn't dance around the issue of whether there is a creator, just that he doesn't know how the creation took place.
Sounds like dancing to me. In other words, he believes life was created by a creator, thats creationism.

[PLC1]

Sounds like dancing to me. In other words, he believes life was created by a creator, thats creationism.

Not necessarily. Evolution is science. Believing in a creator is religion.

The evolution vs creation question is like asking whether a modern automobile was created by intelligence, or whether it evolved from simpler machines. Which one is true? Remember, you can only pick one.

[Popeye]

Not necessarily. Evolution is science. Believing in a creator is religion.

The evolution vs creation question is like asking whether a modern automobile was created by intelligence, or whether it evolved from simpler machines. Which one is true? Remember, you can only pick one.

Number one, I don't accept your automobile analogy. Number two, you know darn well Huckabee is a believer in creationism, and by his own hand, not to mention his words, has demonstrated he doesn't believe in evolution. He has danced and now you attempt to murky the waters, but the facts speak for themselves.

[PLC1]

Number one, I don't accept your automobile analogy. Number two, you know darn well Huckabee is a believer in creationism, and by his own hand, not to mention his words, has demonstrated he doesn't believe in evolution. He has danced and now you attempt to murky the waters, but the facts speak for themselves.

I thought my automobile analogy was quite apt. Huckabee clearly believes in a creator. You clearly do not.

None of us can prove our position. Huckabee can't prove that there is a creator, you can't prove that there isn't. I can't prove that evolution is the means by which life was created, but my position is the most reasonable and rational by far.

BTW, I'm still not voting for Huckabee in the primary, regardless of his religious beliefs. I'm assuming that you're not either, so the questions that no one can prove are academic anyway.

[vyo476]

I thought my automobile analogy was quite apt.

I thought so too, just for the record.

Huckabee clearly believes in a creator. You clearly do not.

None of us can prove our position. Huckabee can't prove that there is a creator, you can't prove that there isn't. I can't prove that evolution is the means by which life was created, but my position is the most reasonable and rational by far.

BTW, I'm still not voting for Huckabee in the primary, regardless of his religious beliefs. I'm assuming that you're not either, so the questions that no one can prove are academic anyway.

Good points all. Nice post.