Jews Who Sought Revenge

[Lasher]

Here's an interesting take on the poor, pitiful, victimized Jews:


An Eye for an Eye: Jews Who Sought Revenge for the Holocaust
John Sack -- Book available from Noontide Press
http://www.noontidepress.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=58

Here is the little-known story of how Jewish victims of the Third Reich inflicted equally terrible suffering on innocent Germans. In 1945 Poland's new Soviet-dominated government was actively recruiting Jews for its Office of State Security to impose a brutal "de-Nazification." The Of*fice's agents raided German homes, rounding up some 200,000 men, women, children and infants -- 99 percent of them non-combatant, innocent civilians. Incarcerated in cellars, pris*ons, and 1,255 concentration camps where typhus was rampant and torture was commonplace, the inmates subsisted on starva*tion rations. In this brief period, between 60,000 and 80,000 Germans perished at the hands of the Office.

[Segep]

another individual-sovereignty whack job.

you poor, pitiful victimized white folks crack me up. :rolleyes:

[Lasher]

I know something must have cracked you up.

[Dustin]

Here's an interesting take on the poor, pitiful, victimized Jews:


An Eye for an Eye: Jews Who Sought Revenge for the Holocaust
John Sack -- Book available from Noontide Press
http://www.noontidepress.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=58

Here is the little-known story of how Jewish victims of the Third Reich inflicted equally terrible suffering on innocent Germans. In 1945 Poland's new Soviet-dominated government was actively recruiting Jews for its Office of State Security to impose a brutal "de-Nazification." The Of*fice's agents raided German homes, rounding up some 200,000 men, women, children and infants -- 99 percent of them non-combatant, innocent civilians. Incarcerated in cellars, pris*ons, and 1,255 concentration camps where typhus was rampant and torture was commonplace, the inmates subsisted on starva*tion rations. In this brief period, between 60,000 and 80,000 Germans perished at the hands of the Office.
lol, I highly doubt that. What really proof do you have of that? And if that was the case why didn't most of the jews stay in Germany?

[dahermit]

Being an enthusiastic student of WWII history and a unashamed devotee of revenge, I have often wondered why Jews were so seemingly passive relative to the atrocities vested upon them during WWII.

Seems like all were not passive. There were documented incidents where former Jewish British officers rounded up former SS and other Nazis while posing as Military Police, took them out and executed them. Not only that, but broke into a bakery at night, painted a solution of cyanide on the black bread that was to be delivered to a prison camp of former SS. It is unknown how many of the SS died, but some were at least reported to be sick. I suspect the powers that were in charge covered the incident up for political reasons.

After hearing those reports, I have new-found respect for the surviving Jews.

[Dustin]

Being an enthusiastic student of WWII history and a unashamed devotee of revenge, I have often wondered why Jews were so seemingly passive relative to the atrocities vested upon them during WWII.

Seems like all were not passive. There were documented incidents where former Jewish British officers rounded up former SS and other Nazis while posing as Military Police, took them out and executed them. Not only that, but broke into a bakery at night, painted a solution of cyanide on the black bread that was to be delivered to a prison camp of former SS. It is unknown how many of the SS died, but some were at least reported to be sick. I suspect the powers that were in charge covered the incident up for political reasons.

After hearing those reports, I have new-found respect for the surviving Jews.
I must say I don't blame them one bit for doing that.

[Segep]

I'd say the SS had it coming, wouldn't you?

He had it coming
He had it coming
He only had himself to blame
If you'd have been there
If you'd have seen it
I betcha you would have done the same

[USMC the Almighty]

I'd say the SS had it coming, wouldn't you?

He had it coming
He had it coming
He only had himself to blame
If you'd have been there
If you'd have seen it
I betcha you would have done the same

Haha, I am ashamed to admit that I know the song you are talking about.

[Segep]

lol it's OK to like showtunes, even if you're not gay. :P

[USMC the Almighty]

Haha, one of my girlfriends a few years ago used to try to play that **** in my truck. Now I remember why it never worked out.

[Lasher]

Haha, I am ashamed to admit that I know the song you are talking about.

You don't know squat, Jewboy. You're just another draft-dodging sheenie who now wants to play big bad marine, and don't know how, coward.

[USMC the Almighty]

You don't know squat, Jewboy. You're just another draft-dodging sheenie who now wants to play big bad marine, and don't know how, coward.

You've completely lost it. Did you forget to take your meds today?

[vyo476]

You don't know squat, Jewboy. You're just another draft-dodging sheenie who now wants to play big bad marine, and don't know how, coward.

Oh, sigh. Do you have nothing better to do?

[Segep]

No, this is what he wants. That way when you finally get sick of his BS and ban him, he can accuse HOP of being part of the vast, Pro-Zionist conspiracy. Then he'll add it to his ever growing list of of Jew-loving forums.

[Lasher]

Oh, sigh. Do you have nothing better to do?

Yes, but it's presently illegal.

[USMC the Almighty]

Yes, but it's presently illegal.

What do you have better to do than come onto an anonymous online forum and rant about the Jew but that is illegal? My only guess would be actually going out and killing all the Jews.

[cannabis]

Lasher, why do you dislike Jews? I want to know the honest answer, and keep in mind that I'll keep an open mind.

[Coyote]

Lasher, why do you dislike Jews? I want to know the honest answer, and keep in mind that I'll keep an open mind.

He "dislikes" Jews because it creates a tizzy on the forum. When you don't have much of a life you got to grab what you can and hold on, however little it might be:rolleyes:


extremely little.

[saggyjones]

He "dislikes" Jews because it creates a tizzy on the forum. When you don't have much of a life you got to grab what you can and hold on, however little it might be:rolleyes:


extremely little.

That's sad. Really sad.

[9sublime]

For using the word Jew as an insult, I'm going to ban you lasher. Its not offensive to someone who isn't a jew really, but its still racism and prejudice. Not the mention your numerous posts on zionism which are at best borderline racism.

[numinus]

For using the word Jew as an insult, I'm going to ban you lasher. Its not offensive to someone who isn't a jew really, but its still racism and prejudice. Not the mention your numerous posts on zionism which are at best borderline racism.

In my opinion, this sort of censorship is more offensive than any insult one can reasonably associate with the word jew.

[USMC the Almighty]

In my opinion, this sort of censorship is more offensive than any insult one can reasonably associate with the word jew.

We weren't censoring his views, numinus. We allowed him to post a number of anti-Israel, anti-Jew threads but it became clear that he wasn't interested in any kind of serious debate. He was just here to bash Jews and "insult" non-Jewish people that disagreed with him "Jews" or "Jewboys". This isn't contributing anything to the forum.

As I said, it is perfectly fine to get in a serious, intelligent, civil discussion over whether Israel should have a right to exist as it's own country. 9sublime himself is opposed to Israel, but hurling around childish insults without any substance is not what we're looking for here.

[numinus]

We weren't censoring his views, numinus. We allowed him to post a number of anti-Israel, anti-Jew threads but it became clear that he wasn't interested in any kind of serious debate. He was just here to bash Jews and "insult" non-Jewish people that disagreed with him "Jews" or "Jewboys". This isn't contributing anything to the forum.

As I said, it is perfectly fine to get in a serious, intelligent, civil discussion over whether Israel should have a right to exist as it's own country. 9sublime himself is opposed to Israel, but hurling around childish insults without any substance is not what we're looking for here.

I'm sorry you feel that way. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing I can't seem to abide by is impenetrable incompetence and ignorance - conditions that, unfortunately, doesn't get people banned from this forum.

[Segep]

num,

are you trying to say Lasher was competent and enlightened?

[numinus]

num,

are you trying to say Lasher was competent and enlightened?

Eh?

What exactly did I say that lead you to conclude I thought lasher was competent and enlightened?

[Segep]

The fact that you seem to be bemoaning the fact he was banned, coupled with your musings that only incompetent/ignorant people should be banned.

[Bill Shatner]

In my opinion, this sort of censorship is more offensive than any insult one can reasonably associate with the word jew.

You find that not allowing fascists to have a platform to spew their filth more offensive than antisemitism?

That's crazy talk.

Well I'm sure fascists like Lasher will sincerely thank you for giving them this "right" while they're marching your ass to the ovens.

[Bunz]

You know, for me, Id really like to know what fuels the anti-semitism I have seen recently and in general.

Is it the Jews as a religion or a race or both?
I will be honest and say that I dont know many Jewish people personally. There simply arent many where I live, and my interactions are limited. Compared to many in the lower ;) 48 or elsewhere.
I played hockey growing up with a few Jewish folks and there are actually two that I know of in my town but no synagogue or temple etc. You know though, the funny thing is I will ask them for some insight on the finer points of thier beliefs etc in a respectful way to further my understanding, and they are happy to explain it to me without bringing up all the bad stuff that happened over the years etc.

The broad generalization and intolerance of a people seems short sighted in my eyes and I hoped humanity had moved beyond the petty BS that seperates large ethnic and religious populations.
When we will actually as a society and humans be able to actually judge people on thier individual merits and not thier ethnic heritage or religious beliefs?

[numinus]

The fact that you seem to be bemoaning the fact he was banned, coupled with your musings that only incompetent/ignorant people should be banned.

That is quite a leap of logic, I wonder if you aren't superman yourself.

Being prohibited to express one's view - however stupid a view, however incompetent such a view was presented, however irritating it seems - is a far worse situation than stupidity itself.

I have stated my vehement disagreement with lasher's views. I have chastised him in the harshest possible way. HOWEVER, the people who had him banned in this forum, in my opinion, committed a far worse crime than stupidity. It was an inexcusable abuse of discretion.

[numinus]

You find that not allowing fascists to have a platform to spew their filth more offensive than antisemitism?

That's crazy talk.

Well I'm sure fascists like Lasher will sincerely thank you for giving them this "right" while they're marching your ass to the ovens.

LMAO.

This post is indicative of the general ignorance I find in most of your opinions.

When you suppress the views of a fascist - for no other reason than it seems to be a fascist view - is that not fascism itself, hmmm? Don't bother to respond. I'm sure it would be as senseless as the above post. I wouldn't want to be accused of soliciting nonsense.

[Coyote]

While I agree with Numinus (shock!) in terms of combating his arguments and showing him to be an idiot, I think Lasher was not really a fascist but a simple troll trying to stir things up with hate speech that may or may not have reflected his real political or social views. There was no depth there.

[cannabis]

When you suppress the views of a fascist - for no other reason than it seems to be a fascist view - is that not fascism itself, hmmm?

I agree.

[9sublime]

OK then, by the same logic, lets have no rules on the forum, because it would be facist to do so. Sound appealing?

[Segep]

Being prohibited to express one's view - however stupid a view, however incompetent such a view was presented, however irritating it seems - is a far worse situation than stupidity itself.

I have stated my vehement disagreement with lasher's views. I have chastised him in the harshest possible way. HOWEVER, the people who had him banned in this forum, in my opinion, committed a far worse crime than stupidity. It was an inexcusable abuse of discretion.

Yet you said it was too bad that you couldn't ban incompetent and ignorant people. I'm pretty sure you said that.

*scrolls back

Yup. You did.

Anyway, I don't want to argue over this with you. I know damned well you weren't trying to suggest Lasher was anything other than the bonehead he obviously was. I know you disliked him as much as the rest of us. I was just giving you crap is all, for all the times you deliberately misconstrued and insulted my friend Mare.

I have no objections with the results, the only way I would have done it differently is that his official bannable offense should have been the incitement to violence and hate speech that I mentioned the first time around. Using Jew as an insult for some reason pisses me off more than faggot, but wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other stuff he said. I admit I wanted him banned, and I was glad when he lost it and started raving.

I've run into this dude before, and I don't think he's acting. Even if it isn't the guy I think it is, it might was well be. If he is acting, he's still asshole enough to be banned, IMO. The kind of filth he was spouting is poisonous, no matter whether you buy into it or not. And if we were to allow it to go on unchecked, some people might start to think it's OK to think that way.

[numinus]

OK then, by the same logic, lets have no rules on the forum, because it would be facist to do so. Sound appealing?

In what logical calculation do you suppose this follows from what I am saying, eh?

Do you presume to save the rest of us (including the non-members who happen to visit this site) from the absurdities of morons? Or do you doubt our ability to discern crap so much so that you would exercise this logical function for us?

[numinus]

Yet you said it was too bad that you couldn't ban incompetent and ignorant people. I'm pretty sure you said that.

*scrolls back

Yup. You did.

Correct. That is what I said. And if you would scroll back even further, I have ALWAYS argued that ethical and rational rules must NEVER be subverted on the basis of convenience.

That, imo, is the difference between you and me. You fashion your arguments according to your personal sentiment without regard for intellectual consistency.

Anyway, I don't want to argue over this with you. I know damned well you weren't trying to suggest Lasher was anything other than the bonehead he obviously was. I know you disliked him as much as the rest of us. I was just giving you crap is all, for all the times you deliberately misconstrued and insulted my friend Mare.

Liking a person doesn't make him any less of a bonehead. I admit, I have friends who are boneheads themselves. Friendship with boneheads can be a little trying, but not absolutely impossible.

And while I have nothing personal against mare (well maybe I was a little indignant when he called me a bigot), I found the region between his ears composed of impenetrable calcium - absolutely nothing but bone. I found his reference to quantum foam and electro-magnetic dynamics particularly stupid. Not only was the information totally irrelevant, he couldn't even discuss the very topic he provided.

I have no objections with the results, the only way I would have done it differently is that his official bannable offense should have been the incitement to violence and hate speech that I mentioned the first time around. Using Jew as an insult for some reason pisses me off more than faggot, but wasn't nearly as bad as some of the other stuff he said. I admit I wanted him banned, and I was glad when he lost it and started raving.

I've run into this dude before, and I don't think he's acting. Even if it isn't the guy I think it is, it might was well be. If he is acting, he's still asshole enough to be banned, IMO. The kind of filth he was spouting is poisonous, no matter whether you buy into it or not. And if we were to allow it to go on unchecked, some people might start to think it's OK to think that way.

Is that the extent of your logical faculty? Is it that puny it cannot even withstand the simple heckling of a moron?

Personally, I prefer to argue the more unpopular position in a thread. And if I argued the position hard enough, that would perhaps get me banned as well.

I find this notion childishly funny.

[Segep]

Personally, I prefer to argue the more unpopular position in a thread.

And that is the difference between you and me. I prefer to argue the position that I actually endorse.

And you're still being an ass because you know damned well that Mare is a 'she' and would prefer to be referred to as such.

[numinus]

And that is the difference between you and me. I prefer to argue the position that I actually endorse.

What makes you think I do not endorse my own arguments, eh? Is it not within the realm of possibility, by your miniscule logical thinking, that I do not bother to argue my beliefs when they are popular, hmmm?

It is such a chore talking with intellectual novices.

And you're still being an ass because you know damned well that Mare is a 'she' and would prefer to be referred to as such.

I honestly don't know mare is a she. I just assumed her gender, which she never bothered to correct.

[bewitched]

I honestly don't know mare is a she. I just assumed her gender, which she never bothered to correct.
wow. lame.

[Segep]

I honestly don't know mare is a she. I just assumed her gender, which she never bothered to correct.

You're telling me that you and Mare have been going at it like a couple of crazed cats in heat for five months in that homosexuality thread and you had no idea she was MTF transsexual?

I don't think you've been paying attention.

[numinus]

wow. lame.

I don't recall lying as one of my qualities.

[numinus]

You're telling me that you and Mare have been going at it like a couple of crazed cats in heat for five months in that homosexuality thread and you had no idea she was MTF transsexual?

Correct. Now that you mention it, some of the things she said suddenly make sense - not that it is correct, btw.

I don't think you've been paying attention.

Correct. I don't usually bother with posts that isn't addressed to me.

[Segep]

numinus,

Correct. I don't usually bother with posts that isn't addressed to me.

I don't believe you, or else why are you so concerned with what happens to Lasher? You have responded to plenty of posts that weren't addressed to you.

-Segep

[numinus]

numinus,



I don't believe you,

You don't believe me? I'm crushed!

Whatever else you are inclined to believe, I find no reason for me to lie, especially about this.

or else why are you so concerned with what happens to Lasher?

Isn't banishment of a member the concern of all members?

You have responded to plenty of posts that weren't addressed to you.

-Segep

How am I supposed to jump in a thread I am particularly interested, then?

[bewitched]

You don't believe me? I'm crushed!

Whatever else you are inclined to believe, I find no reason for me to lie, especially about this.



Isn't banishment of a member the concern of all members?



How am I supposed to jump in a thread I am particularly interested, then?

were you emotionally involved with the banned person or something?
or you just think it's right to defend the jew-hater in the name of freedom of speech.
there is no such thing as freedom of speech btw.

[numinus]

were you emotionally involved with the banned person or something?

Do you consider indignation as an emotional involvement?

or you just think it's right to defend the jew-hater in the name of freedom of speech.

Freedom of thought - speech being an essential part of thought. You are correct in my intention.

there is no such thing as freedom of speech btw.

Yes there is - only not in absolute terms. Freedom of thought, on the other hand, is absolute.

[bewitched]

Do you consider indignation as an emotional involvement?



Freedom of thought - speech being an essential part of thought. You are correct in my intention.



Yes there is - only not in absolute terms. Freedom of thought, on the other hand, is absolute.

just as I thought.
good for you.
carrion.

[numinus]

just as I thought.
good for you.
carrion.

Funny. I never believed you are capable of thought - at least not in the way most people understand it.

[9sublime]

Come on lads, what the hell? This is a forum for political debate, not petty arguing. Can't one of you two have the maturity to walk away? Arguing about this sort of stuff on the internet is quite sad, wouldn't you agree?

[bewitched]

Come on lads, what the hell? This is a forum for political debate, not petty arguing. Can't one of you two have the maturity to walk away? Arguing about this sort of stuff on the internet is quite sad, wouldn't you agree?

sorry.
I'm not a lad.

[Segep]

sorry sublime. I admit I'm just holding a grudge against num on someone else's behalf. None of my business, really, but that doesn't always stop me. I'll drop it. :)

[numinus]

Come on lads, what the hell? This is a forum for political debate, not petty arguing. Can't one of you two have the maturity to walk away? Arguing about this sort of stuff on the internet is quite sad, wouldn't you agree?

It was just friendly banter - nothing more. Apparently bewitched is infatuated with me.

[Segep]

well, he is bewitched :D

[bewitched]

It was just friendly banter - nothing more. Apparently bewitched is infatuated with me.
no, sorry. just trying to see if there is any creative thinkers left.

[numinus]

well, he is bewitched :D

That would make me bewitching then? How can anyone hold a grudge on a bewitching person?

[numinus]

no, sorry. just trying to see if there is any creative thinkers left.

Why don't you post something other than a sad one-liner and find out?

[Segep]

That would make me bewitching then? How can anyone hold a grudge on a bewitching person?

Because you're obviously using your Dark Powers of Witchery on him. Witch. ;)

[numinus]

Because you're obviously using your Dark Powers of Witchery on him. Witch. ;)

Warlock. Lets get the gender straight.

[Segep]

Warlock. Lets get the gender straight.

Oops. You'd think I of all people wouldn't make that mistake. lol.

[Bill Shatner]

You know, for me, Id really like to know what fuels the anti-semitism I have seen recently and in general.

the very same thing that has been fueling racialist hatred for decades: ignorance and stupidity.

Is it the Jews as a religion or a race or both?

Since biological race doesn't exist int he human species the answer is no.

In addition, prior the Akhenaten's missionary quests into the Sinai peninsula, the Hebrew tribes didn't know Judaism from a pile of steaming camel dung.

Therefore even applying the socially constructed concept of race won't magically make those of the Jewish superstition into a "racial" group.

[Jeugenen]

MC-CAIN’S LAST DATE WITH THE REAGAN REPUBLICAN PARTY


McCain’s ideological support, like Bush’s, comes from Podhoretz Neo-Cons and Leiberman Neo-Libs, not Reagan Conservatives nor Kennedy Liberals. These supporters have the same Neo-Marxist roots, which originated over 60 years ago, when millions of defeated Marxist immigrants from Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were admitted by America, as desperate persecuted refugees; after all of the European nations refused to take them.


By the McCarthy Era, many of these pathetic refugees had gotten good government jobs; and, by way of showing their deep gratitude to the American People, they systematically corrupted the government and endangered national security, by working as spies for Marxist Russia. The most notorious of these spies, the Rosenbergs, were executed for treason. This had the intended beneficial effect of stopping most of the dangerous spying; but it had the unintended consequence of causing these Marxist refugees to seek social and economic power by pretentiously assimilating into the Conservative Republican and Liberal Democrat parties; where they quickly mutated into the Neo-Conservatives and Neo-Liberals, with insidious ideological opposition to traditional Christian culture and Constitutional principles. The result of the subversive influence by these virulent Crypto-Neo-Marxists in the government, schools, news media and entertainment media was the increasingly intolerably cultural degeneration that has led up to the American Cultural War.


Podhoretz Neo-Con and Leiberman Neo-Lib ideologies notoriously promote contempt for patriotism, defensive war, historical facts, Christian culture, United States Constitution, United Nations, and Conservative Reagan Republicans and Liberal Kennedy Democrats.


With the failure of Marxist ideology, the Neo-Cons opposed the revolutionary spread of Marxism, and now strive to control the deployment of American military power for interventionist warfare everywhere in the World; but the Neo-Libs continued to support Marxism. To survive, these Neo-Marxist mutants, Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs, quite readily change from one form into the other, depending patriotic spirit of the times.


All of this contempt is transparently motivated by a dogmatic belief in gaining an advantage by insubordination to the practices of national religious and governmental traditions, which grant the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These Crypto-Neo-Marxists, like their failed Marxists predecessors, imagine that they can somehow create their own new superior civilization, if they first destroy the traditional allegiance to the nuclear family, Christianity, nationalism, and the Constitution.


Israel, which these Marxists refugees have had all to themselves for 60 years, to do their utopian social engineering, in their own artificially created state, is notoriously poorly governed and heavily subsidized by the Diaspora; and the People of Israel, once the most widely pitied in the World, have come to justly earn the distinction of now being the most universally despised, condemned, and threatened with annihilation.


In this crucial 2008 presidential battle of the American Cultural War shall the Reagan Conservatives and the Kennedy Liberals finally combine forces against these desperately united Podhoretz Neo-Cons and Leiberman Neo-Libs supporting Insane McCain; or shall they continue to suffer ideological corruption of their Republican and Democrat parties, subversion of their traditional Christian culture and Constitutional Law, pernicious governmental strife, and the illegal and un-patriotic sacrifice of the wealth and blood of the American People to sole benefit of Israel?


With Leiberman Neo-Lib Princess Hillary burnt at stake by the Kennedy Liberal Democratic Party, shall Podhoretz Neo-Con McCain have his final date for the presidency, or for the Reagan Conservative Republican firing squad?


Google: “Mearsheimer Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy”; “Evans Blacklisted by History: Untold Story of Joe McCarthy”; “Wall Street Journal McCain-Feingold”; Stricherz Why the Democrats are Blue; “Human Events Ron Paul Interview”; McClelland "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception"; McCain Keating Five; Abramoff Israel McCain.

[Libsmasher]

A few comments. The ideas of jews taking over the world has its ultimate roots in, besides historic antisemitism, the fact that since jews have high IQs, they inevitably rise in whatever polity they exist, as long as they're allowed to. Jews in the late 19th century lived in oppressive conditions and as outsiders in eastern europe and russia, as they had for centuries, and marxism, the new idea, with it's ideas of equality greatly appealed to them at that time. Leftism of various stripes had been passed along for generations, and is still held by many jews to one degree or another. However, starting with the soviet union, things started to change - jews were dismayed to see that even in the new social order they were discriminated against. The soviet pact with the nazis turned many jews away from marxism. As the post war years went on, gradually many jews began to question their own leftism, as they saw such things as the soviet support for israel's enemies. Finally, many of them had had it with leftism, and became "neoconservatives", a term coined by Irving Kristol in 1979. The neocons supported a muscular foreign policy, especially in the middle-east. In organizations such PNAC, one actually could hear the faint ideological echoes of the international goals of marxism, in their idea of spreading democracy around the world. Meantime, the neoconservatives maintained what in the US is called "liberal" ideas of social policy.

The last, and least, word to say about neconservatives is how laughable it is that low-brow uneducated dolts think it is an insulting appelation for conservatives in general, many of whom are as far away from neoconservativism as the moon is from the earth. :rolleyes: