Rush's Hit-Piece on Huckabee

[apacallyps]

The Christian right (and other fed up conservatives) are supporting Mike Huckabee, but the right’s pundits are not flocking to support him, and many of them are actually trying to derail him. Case in point:

Rush's Hit-Piece on Huckabee (stick with it, audio of Rush)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu-ZSSaZELM

Something is very very very very wrong with this picture. Bottom line: The best candidate for the Republican nomination is Huckabee.

Huckabee - Cinderella Man
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILPcnn9Sf94

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[Popeye]

The Christian right (and other fed up conservatives) are supporting Mike Huckabee, but the right’s pundits are not flocking to support him, and many of them are actually trying to derail him. Case in point:

Rush's Hit-Piece on Huckabee (stick with it, audio of Rush)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu-ZSSaZELM

Something is very very very very wrong with this picture. Bottom line: The best candidate for the Republican nomination is Huckabee.

Huckabee - Cinderella Man
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILPcnn9Sf94

JOIN WITH US!

Bottom Line-Huckabee is a religious nut, who lobbied to get a convicted rapist released (Wayne Dumond) who then went on to commit murder.

[apacallyps]

Bottom Line-Huckabee is a religious nut, who lobbied to get a convicted rapist released (Wayne Dumond) who then went on to commit murder.

Popeye, everyone has the right to be stupid but you abuse the privilege.

Am I getting smart with you? ....How would you know? :cool:

Mr. Poopy gives us the typical "talking point" propaganda warfare used against a fellow conservative who could very well be more of a conservative than they are. This provides a good look at their true colors.

The REAL problem is the Republican elites with their attacks are ruining the GOP mainstream chance of getting a President who will deal their needs and not only Wall Streets and the Insiders! Now the common people, in the person of Huckabee, are threatening to take over, and the secular right doesn't like it a bit.

A Whole New Race - SWITCH TO HUCKABEE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3BMNKqzYHc

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[Popeye]

Popeye, everyone has the right to be stupid but you abuse the privilege.

Am I getting smart with you? ....How would you know? :cool:

Mr. Poopy gives us the typical "talking point" propaganda warfare used against a fellow conservative who could very well be more of a conservative than they are. This provides a good look at their true colors.

The REAL problem is the Republican elites with their attacks are ruining the GOP mainstream chance of getting a President who will deal their needs and not only Wall Streets and the Insiders! Now the common people, in the person of Huckabee, are threatening to take over, and the secular right doesn't like it a bit.

A Whole New Race - SWITCH TO HUCKABEE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3BMNKqzYHc

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By the way, what is Huckabuck running for anyway? Head preacher?

For someone who wants to lead the country, he can't even appear to raise children. His one son has been arrested for torturing a dog and carrying a pistol through the Little Rock airport. Must be those family values at work.

Then the Huckster goes and speaks at the church of John C. Hagee. Who has told his congregation in the past that the Beast referred to in the Bible is actually the Catholic Church and the so-called Anti-Christ is the Pope.

Huckabee, Mr. Evangelical, has also said, I quote, “A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ."

Now I don't know about you, but some of this sounds pretty strange to me.
He's a religious fanatic, a nut, simple as that.

[USMC the Almighty]

apacallyps, a few things:

(1) Popeye is a lib, not a member of the secular right.
(2) Make your point without debasing the level of dialogue throught childish namecalling ("poopy").
(3) At least try to address his concerns. Your above post is a perfect example of a dodge.

[heyjude]

The best thing that can come out of this is that the fundies will lose their ability to influence the Republican party. Then it can go back to the party of DDE. When all they wanted was to get rich. Not to convince the rest of the people that it was God's will that they get rich.

[apacallyps]

Below are links to statements and research from
the campaign that state the real truth on attacks
being made on Governor Huckabee's record.

TRUTH SQUAD
www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=TruthSquad.Home

Folks, you are being lied to by the right's neocon
elite. They don't care about people like us. They're
only protecting themselves. They are fighting for
their political lives because if Huckabee wins they're
in danger of being rejected.

If family values and moral Christian backbone are
the foundation that will lead this nation out of darkness,
why are those who preached it for decades suddenly
turning away from the man who embodies these very
qualities and puts them into action. The hypocrisy is
pretty astounding, from my point of view.

TIME FOR A CHANGE!

Mike Huckabee for Commander-In-Chief
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvSgqN1kir8

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[heyjude]

Are there still people in this country who believe the neo-cons are religious?At least in the normal way. The god they worship is GREED. They have used the religious people in this country. I thought they had all figured that out by now.

[apacallyps]

You're right to a certain extent heyjude, the neocons for the most part are non-religious and have been using Christians for their vote. This is a well-coordinated effort to completely eliminate Huckabee. The cynicism on the right and exploitation of the evangelicals is coming back to haunt them. Now the common people, in the person of Huckabee, are threatening to take over, and the secular right doesn't like it a bit.

But, I take issue with your somewhat naive signature statement, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."

What you fail to understand is that the Judeo-Christian values that gave birth to YOUR Western Civilization are under attack externally by Islam and internally by secularism. Oddly, both the left and the Islamofascists function as two blades on a set of scissors, they are independent yet working together to shred the fabric of Western culture. So the longer you look for reasons to bash Christians holding their cross and opt for a non-Christian President, the faster your nation will fall. America will fall because you don’t want God in your lives even though He is the one protecting you and made you great.

“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14

In 1787 Benjamin Franklin said, “I have lived, Sir, a long time and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that God governs the affairs of men - and if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings that “except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this.”

Using your logic most of the founding fathers were raving fascists because if we look at history they carried their cross more firmly than most living today. Would you please reconsider your signature. Your helping to harm your own nation.

My Tribute to the Founding Fathers
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/patriotic/patrioticwebstream.swf

[heyjude]

A bracing text for this Christmas week is the famous correspondence between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. Their letters are a reminder that the Founders were men of the Enlightenment -- supreme rationalists who would have found the religiosity of much of our modern political life quite abhorrent.

It's not that these men didn't have religious beliefs: They were, to their deaths, passionate seekers of truth, metaphysical as well as physical. It's that their beliefs didn't fit into pious cubbyholes. Indeed, the deist Jefferson took a pair of scissors to the New Testament to create his "Jefferson Bible," or, formally, "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth," which cut out the parts he regarded as supernatural or misinterpreted by the Gospel writers.

It's useful to examine the musings of these American rationalists in this political season when religion has been a prominent topic. Politicians and commentators have suggested that for the Founders, the very idea of freedom was God-given -- or, as the Declaration of Independence puts it, that human beings are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." Yet this famous passage begins with a distillation of the Enlightenment's celebration of human reason: "We hold these truths to be self-evident."

My Christmastime reading of the Adams-Jefferson letters was prompted by this year's most interesting political speech but one I also found troubling -- Mitt Romney's Dec. 6 speech on "Faith in America." It was a fine evocation of our twin heritage of religion and religious freedom, until he got to this ritual denunciation of the bogeymen known as secularists. "They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America -- the religion of secularism."


Anyone who reads Adams and Jefferson -- or for that matter, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton or other voices of the American Enlightenment -- can make their own judgment about what the Founders would say about Romney's broadside against secularism. My guess is that their response would be something like: "That is bunkum, sir."

Many of the Founders liked to speak of the "God of Nature," notes Garrett Epps, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Oregon. Adams used this term in a June 20, 1815, letter to Jefferson: "The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by His own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?" Adams mistrusted priests and kings, but he was also skeptical of the revolutionary philosophers who had overthrown them in France. He spent his life looking for a middle ground.

Jefferson spoke in a May 5, 1817, letter of "true religion" as based on "moral precepts, innate in man," and the "sublime doctrine of philanthropism and deism taught us by Jesus of Nazareth." He contrasted this true faith with "sectarian dogmas." If the sectarian version prevailed, warned Jefferson, then he might agree with Adams's speculation that "this would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it."

Before leaving these restless men and their ruminations on man and God in what one editor of the letters called "an epistolary duet," let us recall this caustic Nov. 4, 1816, missive from Adams: "We have now, it seems, a national Bible Society, to propagate King James's Bible through all nations. Would it not be better to apply these pious subscriptions to purify Christendom from the corruptions of Christianity than to propagate those corruptions in Europe, Asia, Africa, and America?"

The Founders certainly believed in God, but for most of them, their faith was a deeply private matter, as Jefferson put it in a Jan. 11, 1817, letter, a subject "known to my God and myself alone." Indeed, they found loud, public displays of religiosity a profanation of this inner and spiritual practice of religion. Adams, the more conventionally "religious" of the two, insisted in a Sept. 14, 1813, letter that there is "but one being who can understand the universe, and that it is not only vain but wicked for insects to pretend to comprehend it."

One theme in this year's political campaign has been whether the United States will move from the faith-based policies the Bush administration has celebrated to a more rationalist and secular approach. In this debate, religious conservatives like to stress their connection to the Founders and to the republic's birth as "one nation under God." But a rereading of the Adams-Jefferson letters is a reminder that in this debate, the Founders -- as men of the Enlightenment -- would surely have sided with the party of Reason.

The writer is co-host ofPostGlobal, an online discussion of international issues. His e-mail address isdavidignatius@washpost.com. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/26/AR2007122601486.html

I could not say this better than Ignatius did. He is right. And religion is not needed for freedom. Most European countries are very free and secular.

[Coyote]

Nice post!

[9sublime]

But, I take issue with your somewhat naive signature statement, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."

What you fail to understand is that the Judeo-Christian values that gave birth to YOUR Western Civilization are under attack externally by Islam and internally by secularism. Oddly, both the left and the Islamofascists function as two blades on a set of scissors, they are independent yet working together to shred the fabric of Western culture. So the longer you look for reasons to bash Christians holding their cross and opt for a non-Christian President, the faster your nation will fall. America will fall because you don’t want God in your lives even though He is the one protecting you and made you great.


You are only proving the 'naive' statement with your answer. You believe that it is not facism as long as it is protecting the western way of life and your own religion.

God has never protected me as far as I know either.


Using your logic most of the founding fathers were raving fascists because if we look at history they carried their cross more firmly than most living today. Would you please reconsider your signature. Your helping to harm your own nation.


You obviously don't have any understanding on what fascism is, or what logic is apparently being used. Fascism is not being religious, and your founding fathers were anything but fascists, promoting real freedom, something your nation is increasingly seeing go down the plughole.

[jpn of Seattle]

If family values and moral Christian backbone are
the foundation that will lead this nation out of darkness...

IMHO, religious fundamentalism inhibits progress in the nation, and helps keep us in darkness.

I find it hillarious the way that the Republican Party now finds itself hoisted by its own petard. There are millions of moderate Republicans who, while somewhat embarrassed by the mad ravings unique perspective of the religious right, were nevertheless happy to look the other way as long as they got their tax cuts and special provisions and subsidies. Now the beast is at the door, demanding to be fed. I love it.

I'd SO love to see Huckabee get the nomination. For one it would mean a landslide for any Democratic candidate of Goldwateresque proportions. For another we'd all get to enjoy the spectacle of Huckabee desperately backpedalling from the preacher-like role he adopts while speaking before partisan crowds.

I'm waiting for the "liberal media" to ask Huckabee if he believes in The Rapture, and if so, how that belief affects his foreign policy, especially with regards to the Middle East.

Does he believe in The End Times and how does that affect his domestic policies, especially getting our fiscal house in order and protecting the environment for future generations?

[jpn of Seattle]

In an interview with David Brody, Mike Huckabee talks about the private contempt that the moneycon-driven Republican Party has for evangelicals like him:

They were more than happy for us to come to the rallies and stand in lines for hours to cheer on the candidates, appreciated us putting up the yard signs, going out and putting out the cards on peoples doors and making phone calls to the phone banks and — really appreciated all of our votes. But when they got elected, behind closed doors, they would laugh at us and speak with scorn and derision that we were, as one article I think once said "the easily led." So there's been almost this sort of, it's okay if you guys get a seat on the bus, but don't ever think about telling us where the bus is going to go. source (http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/290439.aspx)

Liberals are honest in their opposition to the agenda and ideology of religious fundamentalists. Not so Republican Party leaders. At least, that's what Mike Huckabee says.

I'm so happy that this fact is now so openly on display.

[jpn of Seattle]

Here's Huckabee explaining that God is personally backing his candidacy:

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13838.html

STUDENT: Recent polls show you surging… What do you attribute this surge to?

HUCKABEE: There’s only one explanation for it, and it’s not a human one. It’s the same power that helped a little boy with two fish and five loaves feed a crowd of five thousand people. (Applause) That’s the only way that our campaign can be doing what it’s doing. And I’m not being facetious nor am I trying to be trite. There literally are thousands of people across this country who are praying that a little will become much, and it has. And it defies all explanation, it has confounded the pundits. And I’m enjoying every minute of them trying to figure it out, and until they look at it, from a, just experience beyond human, they’ll never figure it out. And it’s probably just as well. That’s honestly why it’s happening.

My god...

[9sublime]

Well, if Huckabee is a true Christian, and God is truely all powerful, Huckabee should win for sure then?

[jpn of Seattle]

Well, if Huckabee is a true Christian, and God is truely all powerful, Huckabee should win for sure then?

And if he loses, does that prove that god doesn't exist? Or that God is not all-powerful? Or that Huckabee isn't a "true Christian"?

Have all past presidential candidates who were "true Christians" won?

[9sublime]

Who knows to be honest.

[heyjude]

Presidential canidates used to talk about the country, not their religious beliefs. This whole religious thing is so stupid. I don't care what people believe, as long as they put America first. As John Kennedy said he would.

[Popeye]

The Huckster is not only a religious fanatic, but he's uneducated as well. Some would say those things go hand in hand.Someone Get Huck a Map
Friday December 28, 2007 4:00 pm

I know the "intelligent design" crowd are a bit slow on the uptake when it comes to stuff like evolution, but consensus reality really does hold that China does not share a border with the US:

On Thursday night he told reporters in Orlando, Fla.: “We ought to have an immediate, very clear monitoring of our borders and particularly to make sure if there’s any unusual activity of Pakistanis coming into the country.”

On Friday, in Pella, Iowa, he expanded on those remarks.

“When I say single them out I am making the observation that we have more Pakistani illegals coming across our border than all other nationalities except those immediately south of the border,” he told reporters in Pella. “And in light of what is happening in Pakistan it ought to give us pause as to why are so many illegals coming across these borders.”

In fact, far more illegal immigrants come from the Philippines, Korea, China and Vietnam, according to recent estimates from the Department of Homeland Security.

Huckabee, ever on the cutting edge of the immigration forefront (well, at least since he decided there was one) alerts us to a heretofore unheralded problem at the border:

“The fact is the immigration issue is not so much about people coming to pick lettuce or make beds. It’s about people that can come with a shoulder fired missile and can do serious damage and harm to us, and that’s what we need to be worried about. And the unsecure borders that we have pose a real national security threat.”

That whole fence thing suddenly starts to make more sense. Going to be damn hard to scale with an FIM 92-Stinger strapped to your back
http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/someone-get-huck-a-map/

[heyjude]

["The Huckster is not only a religious fanatic, but he's uneducated as well. Some would say those things go hand in hand." Popeye]

Obviously! And his followers are pretty stupid too. I won't say uneducated. The fundies have been immunized against learning. They get an education, but it doesn't 'take'.

[apacallyps]

heyjude wrote, "I could not say this better than Ignatius did. He is right. And religion is not needed for freedom. Most European countries are very free and secular."

Most European countries? Do you know what's happening in Europe right now? They are becoming more godless and sinful by the minute. You think we should model ourselves after Europe! Which Christian nation rebuilt Europe you fool? Where would Eurpoe be now if it weren't for the Christians of America? I hope your just naive (cuz we can fix that) but if your not then I think you're a traitor and a disgrace to this country and it's founding fathers.

It has been reported that 27 of our nation’s 56 founding fathers had Christian seminary degrees!

AUDIO LISTEN (More information at the 1:44 minute mark):
http://media.coralridge.org/meta/ttt/ram/TTT041005.ram

Could you imagine what the general public would have done with you had you proclaimed, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross," during the 1700's, 1800's, and early 1900's? You have a lot of nerve. This nation was founded on the blood of men who loved that cross and the laws and freedom that allow you type your warped opinion originate from the values of that cross.

This so-called "constitutional separation of church and state." No where in the US constitution is this mentioned, nor even the words "separation", "church", or "state". That phrase was started by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to a friend in which he explained that the church must be protected from the state (not the other way) in order to ensure freedom of religion. And this idea the state (and therefore public schools) must be free of Christian influence - what do people think this nation and its government, laws, and ethics were founded on?! Does the phrase "In G-d We Trust" sound familiar? You'd think that that phrase being on American currency would be against the "separation of church and state" and a blatent violation of the public's right not to be exposed to anything pertaining to Christianity.

People like you, the secularists, the athiests, and the others who hate God, have twisted Thomas Jefferson's letter to say something it never meant, because "In God You don't Trust".

Did you know that most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were Bible-proclaiming schools originally.

Harvard is apparently the oldest ongoing university in the United States. Harvard produced a number of our founding fathers, including John Quincy Adams, John Hancock, John Adams, and Samuel Adams.

Harvard's original stated purpose for its students was: "To be plainly instructed and consider well that the main end of your life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ...." One requirement of students was that "Everyone shall so exercise himself in reading the Scriptures twice a day that he shall be able to give an account of his proficiency therein."

Yale also produced many founding fathers, men like Noah Webster, William Samuel Johnson, Abraham Baldwin. One of Yale's requirements for its students read as follows: "Seeing that God is the giver of all wisdom, every student, besides his private and secret prayer, will be present morning and evening for public prayer."

Princeton, founded in 1746, produced people like James Madison, Benjamin Rush and John Witherspoon. What was the philosophy of an institution that produced so many national leaders? Princeton's founding statement was, "Cursed is all learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ."

Now look at your Universities when God was removed from American education – an infestation of liberal nut cases like YOU who favor America’s enemies over America itself! (ie, Iran’s president Ahmadinnerjacket’s invitation at Columbia University to speak – they clapped and cheered him on!!).

John Jay, one of America’s founding fathers said:

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

(John Jay, The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed. (New York: G.P. Putnams Sons, 1890), Vol. IV, p. 365.)

It grieves me people such as yourself who don’t care about America as a Christian nation anymore. I’m sure some of you are nice people, but America is in trouble. Everybody wants God out and something else in. We have reached the day which the prophet had in mind when he wrote, “Woe unto them who call evil, good, and good, evil.” (Isaiah 5:20)

[vyo476]

Most European countries? Do you know what's happening in Europe right now? They are becoming more godless and sinful by the minute.

Good for them.

You think we should model ourselves after Europe! Which Christian nation rebuilt Europe you fool? Where would Eurpoe be now if it weren't for the Christians of America? I hope your just naive (cuz we can fix that) but if your not then I think you're a traitor and a disgrace to this country and it's founding fathers.

Cool it with the personal attacks. You've already been spoken to about this and if you don't start respecting other posters and their opinions we'll show you the proverbial door.

Could you imagine what the general public would have done with you had you proclaimed, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross," during the 1700's, 1800's, and early 1900's? You have a lot of nerve. This nation was founded on the blood of men who loved that cross and the laws and freedom that allow you type your warped opinion originate from the values of that cross.

If you'd proclaimed that when fascism comes to American it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross," during the 1700's, 1800's, and early 1900's, you'd probably be lynched. And yet it is from the people who would resort to lynching that heyjude's freedom to post secular comments from...?

This so-called "constitutional separation of church and state." No where in the US constitution is this mentioned, nor even the words "separation", "church", or "state".

And if someone mentioned a "constitutional" separation of church and state I missed it, making this a perfect example of a Straw Man argument.

That phrase was started by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to a friend in which he explained that the church must be protected from the state (not the other way) in order to ensure freedom of religion.

The letter was to a church, not an individual, if memory serves.

You're interpreting what he said, too. If I might offer my own insight, based on your feelings on the matter: I'd only like to remind you that walls go both ways.

And this idea the state (and therefore public schools) must be free of Christian influence - what do people think this nation and its government, laws, and ethics were founded on?! Does the phrase "In G-d We Trust" sound familiar? You'd think that that phrase being on American currency would be against the "separation of church and state" and a blatent violation of the public's right not to be exposed to anything pertaining to Christianity.

One step at a time.

People like you, the secularists, the athiests, and the others who hate God, have twisted Thomas Jefferson's letter to say something it never meant, because "In God You don't Trust".

And people like you seem to believe they have a monopoly on the truth.

Harvard's original stated purpose for its students was: "To be plainly instructed and consider well that the main end of your life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ...." One requirement of students was that "Everyone shall so exercise himself in reading the Scriptures twice a day that he shall be able to give an account of his proficiency therein."

So that's how it started out. The United States itself started out only along the east coast. Things change.

Now look at your Universities when God was removed from American education – an infestation of liberal nut cases like YOU who favor America’s enemies over America itself! (ie, Iran’s president Ahmadinnerjacket’s invitation at Columbia University to speak – they clapped and cheered him on!!).

Again with the blatant personal attacks. COOL OFF.

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

(John Jay, The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed. (New York: G.P. Putnams Sons, 1890), Vol. IV, p. 365.)

And you don't see anything contradictory there? "Go ahead and choose - so long as you choose the right people!"

[apacallyps]

vyo476 wrote, "Cool it with the personal attacks... if you don't start respecting other posters and their opinions we'll show you the proverbial door."

My intention is not to personally attack anyone. Jesus said, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Matthew 22:37-40

As Christians we try to follow the so-called Golden rule of conduct:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged." Matthew 7:1

But, at the same time all through the Bible God calls people fools, brutish, simple, perverse, scorners, wicked, etc.

You've had people calling Huckabee a religious fanatic, and a nut. Others posting that religious fundamentalism inhibits progress in the nation, and helps keep us in darkness. That Christians are raving mad, and still more posters tying fascism to the cross Christ died on.

AND YOUR ACCUSING ME OF PERSONAL ATTACKS?

John Jay, one of the founding fathers said, “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

vyo476 wrote "And you don't see anything contradictory there? "Go ahead and choose - so long as you choose the right people!"

John Jay also America's first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, once received a letter inquiring from him whether it was permissible for a Christian to vote for an unGodly candidate. Jay responded:

"Whether our religion permits Christians to vote for infidel rulers is a question which merits more consideration than it seems yet to have generally received either from the clergy or the laity. It appears to me that what the prophet said to Jehoshaphat about his attachment to Ahab ("Shouldest thou help the ungodly and love them that hate the Lord?" 2 Chronicles 19:2) affords a salutary lesson."

Well, I think I will just leave this forum. From my point of view this is a free country and everyone has a right to think and live the way we want unless you are breaking the law, what worries me is this idea that God doesn't exist or He won't judge this nation depending on it's actions.

In 1787 Benjamin Franklin said, “I have lived, Sir, a long time and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that God governs the affairs of men - and if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings that “except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this.”

I believe that too.

However, many of you don't:

The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9uNtvFSxYM

Goodbye. I will pray for all of you. Here is my tribute to the American Founding Fathers.

PLAY VIDEO (4 minutes)
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/patriotic/patrioticwebstream.swf

[vyo476]

My intention is not to personally attack anyone.

Then don't make comments like these:

I think you're a traitor and a disgrace to this country and it's founding fathers.

And we'll be fine, at least as far as the forum rules are concerned.

You've had people calling Huckabee a religious fanatic, and a nut. Others posting that religious fundamentalism inhibits progress in the nation, and helps keep us in darkness. That Christians are raving mad, and still more posters tying fascism to the cross Christ died on.

AND YOUR ACCUSING ME OF PERSONAL ATTACKS?

If you have a problem with my interpretation of the forum rules, you're more than welcome to take it up with one of the other moderators.

John Jay also America's first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, once received a letter inquiring from him whether it was permissible for a Christian to vote for an unGodly candidate. Jay responded:

"Whether our religion permits Christians to vote for infidel rulers is a question which merits more consideration than it seems yet to have generally received either from the clergy or the laity. It appears to me that what the prophet said to Jehoshaphat about his attachment to Ahab ("Shouldest thou help the ungodly and love them that hate the Lord?" 2 Chronicles 19:2) affords a salutary lesson."

And that doesn't answer the question.

Well, I think I will just leave this forum. From my point of view this is a free country and everyone has a right to think and live the way we want unless you are breaking the law, what worries me is this idea that God doesn't exist or He won't judge this nation depending on it's actions.

Fine. Nice having you.

[jpn of Seattle]

Believing or not believing in religion has nothing to do with one's moral behavior.

"Christians" who were slave owners only 150 years ago had no problem receiving moral sanction from their churches. Society dictates the moral standards, not the religions. Usury was an excommuncable offense for the first 1,000 years of the Catholic Church. Then society changed, and the Church did a 180.

I look forward to the day that United States is freed from its religious chains, which drag it down in so many ways.

[Truth-Bringer]

Something is very very very very wrong with this picture. Bottom line: The best candidate for the Republican nomination is Huckabee.


No, Huckabee is not the best candidate. Here are the facts about his economic record in Arkansas, FROM A CONSERVATIVE SOURCE. This man raised more taxes than Bill Clinton. So, please stop lying about his record and please stop supporting a fraud:

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php

[PLC1]

Bottom Line-Huckabee is a religious nut, who lobbied to get a convicted rapist released (Wayne Dumond) who then went on to commit murder.

That piece by Limbaugh was not an attack on Huckabee, but an attack on the "liberal, drive by" media (meaning any media except his "EIB network" and on the "liberals", meaning Democrats and anyone else who doesn't agree with Limbaugh's point of view. What he is saying is that the "they", meaning the above groups, want Huckabee to be nominated so that they can use him as a boogie man to scare people into voting for the Democratic candidate.

I'm afraid that Popeye has just lent some credence to Limbaugh's rant by calling Huckabee a "religious nut." What were Limbaugh's words, that it scares the pants off of "them" that GWB is a religious man, and that they want to have someone like Bush (i.e., religious) to run against? Something like that.

Huckabee is not Bush, and his religious views don't scare me at all. I don't agree with those views, but I more or less do agree with his political views. We aren't electing a pastor, anyway.

Limbaugh kind of does scare me, since it seems that there are people out there that take him seriously.

Are you one of "them", the "they" that Limbaugh is ranting against, Popeye? Come to think of it, I don't think so. I believe that you would vote Democratic regardless of who the Republican nominee might be. Am I wrong?

[Bunz]

I find it interesting how the likes of Rust Limbaugh has any pull on the actual voters. Id like to see him get off the soap box and put his own character through a political campaign, because he would be so ridiculed he would need to move to Cuba to relieve himself of the embarrassment that would come to him and his family.

Huckabee won an amazing victory in Iowa. I dont think anyone will discount that. He is far from wrapping up the nomination, but took a huge first leap in it.
Is it possible that the ones who vote in the GOP are sick and tired of the crotchety corrupt bastards that pollute the party now? Huckabee as I have said before is more or less the Evangelical version of Bill Clinton. What happened to GWB bringing back Reagan conservatism? Lies Lies Lies.

Personally, I think if the GOP wants to have any shot at the President in 08, McCain is thier only option. Otherwise, American will vote for the Jackass mascot itself over any of the other GOP candidates.

[PLC1]

I find it interesting how the likes of Rust Limbaugh has any pull on the actual voters. Id like to see him get off the soap box and put his own character through a political campaign, because he would be so ridiculed he would need to move to Cuba to relieve himself of the embarrassment that would come to him and his family.

It is interesting, isn't it? Yet, he does seem to have a lot of pull. In a fair debate, in which he would be ridiculed for straw man arguments, circular arguments, ignoring facts, and simply labeling anything he disagrees with as "liberal", he would be easily defeated by a high school debate team.

Huckabee won an amazing victory in Iowa. I dont think anyone will discount that. He is far from wrapping up the nomination, but took a huge first leap in it.
Is it possible that the ones who vote in the GOP are sick and tired of the crotchety corrupt bastards that pollute the party now? Huckabee as I have said before is more or less the Evangelical version of Bill Clinton. What happened to GWB bringing back Reagan conservatism? Lies Lies Lies.

This member of the GOP is sick and tired of the crotchety corrupt bastards that pollute the party now, especially of the latest successful candidate for the presidency. He sold out the party to the statists and the neocons.

Personally, I think if the GOP wants to have any shot at the President in 08, McCain is thier only option. Otherwise, American will vote for the Jackass mascot itself over any of the other GOP candidates.

I'm not so sure that Romney couldn't beat whoever the Democrats nominate, nor would I dismiss Huckabee as a possible winner. The Dems are running lightweights in this campaign.

[Bunz]

PLC,
I agree with everything you posted above except what I quote below. Romney would be very hard pressed to defeat any of the top three Dems in my opinion. A Romney nomination would almost make my swing vote and many others surely go the democrat way. But hey, thats why they campaign right? Who knows till the votes are counted.
I'm not so sure that Romney couldn't beat whoever the Democrats nominate, nor would I dismiss Huckabee as a possible winner. The Dems are running lightweights in this campaign.

[PLC1]

PLC,
I agree with everything you posted above except what I quote below. Romney would be very hard pressed to defeat any of the top three Dems in my opinion. A Romney nomination would almost make my swing vote and many others surely go the democrat way. But hey, thats why they campaign right? Who knows till the votes are counted.

That's right, it ain't over 'till it's over. Whether the voters will understand that the Democrats are running lightweights is the important thing, and that won't be known until November.