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NO Obamanation

05-09-2008, 05:56 PM

Well I'll grant you that not long ago (before he needed neo-con money to run for President) every single major thing except the war McCain is now for or against... he was on the other side.

But now he has stated on every issue he is in line with George Bush policy. Bush has done a great job in his book.

Flip Floppin' to high heaven aside. McCain is Bush policy + maybe a hundred more years in Iraq... be fine with him he said.

That's why the comparison justifiably sticks. Easy to watch and see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6ul9iMgmOw

Are you really serious about the 100 year thing? I am sure you know it’s taken out of context. I don’t see how you can not know that.

You know John Freaking Kerry, I really disliked that man but I was personally offended when they started those flip flop adds on him because he said “I voted for the bill before I voted against it” every one clearly knew what he meant. He voted for it, and then they added pork and asked him to vote again and he voted against it because of the pork, but everyone made it sound like he was flip flopping.

This thing with McCain is the same thing, and it offends me just as much that people think we are that stupid. McCain said as long as no soldiers were being killed as long as it was peaceful, he didn’t think the people cared if we were there 50 years, 100 years or even 1000 years. He meant in the same way we have troops in Germany and other peaceful places.

The same thing with the tax cuts. McCain never said he was against the tax cuts, he said he was against giving tax cuts with out ALSO cutting spending. He said it would be recklessly irresponsible. But instead they twist it saying he was against it now he is for it. Why do people think others are this stupid? I’ll call a spade a spade even if it means I have to defend someone as disgusting as John Freaking Kerry.

RealHippy

05-09-2008, 05:58 PM

Well let's put it this way, if we weren't in the way in Iraq, do you honestly think that Israel would actually let Iran develop a Nuke?
Israel has 256 Nuclear weapons, half of which are ICBMs. Geeze Israel bombed the hell out of Syria because they suspected that they were developing a Nuke.
Hitlery Would bomb the crap out of them.
Personally If you want to get into the Rev. Write Issue (old news) then it should be in another thread. Besides Obama renounced Write.
You know little about foreign policy, First you have talks, then you use UN Sanctions then you work from there.
I know plenty about Iran since I sat 444 days off the coast of that Crap Hole of a country.
Besides, we have been at the mercy of Shrub's Judgement (or lack there of) for the past 7 1/2 years. Look at the mess that has got us in...

Like I said, Obama certainly couldn't do any worse than GW Shrub.

Bunz

05-09-2008, 06:03 PM

Bravo, I wonder if NO Obamanation just talks a good game or has ever served our country. I'm guessing not.

How do you define serving your country? Are you meaning military service?

RealHippy

05-09-2008, 06:04 PM

Yes Military Service.

top gun

05-09-2008, 06:08 PM

I think that yes he can do al ot worse, just in a differnt way. It makes me afraid to think of him sitting down with the leader of Iran to talk and make deals. We have to trust his judgement.... my 12 year old nephew figured out Obama had a racist, anti american pastor before Obama did. When I think about how much our intire country will be at the mercy of Obama's judgement... I really do panic!

As a 51 year old White middle class working guy I can tell ya... If your 12 year old nephew or you figure Obama is a racist... you got family problems to contend with. Leave the politicin' alone. We've got serious problems and we need someone who's intelligent and even handed for a change... like Senator Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuT5zN2SPI

NO Obamanation

05-09-2008, 06:11 PM

Yes Military Service.

Requiring military service would count out Obama as well as the last two presidents. I don’t think an American needs to have served in the military to have a valid opinion on where our Country is going, but I think it would be a good experience for a president.

RealHippy

05-09-2008, 06:16 PM

One difference between all of the People running is that Obama Listens to people's concerns, McCain and Hitlery think they know what's best for everyone.

NO Obamanation

05-09-2008, 06:17 PM

As a 51 year old White middle class working guy I can tell ya... If your 12 year old nephew or you figure Obama is a racist... you got family problems to contend with. Leave the politicin' alone. We've got serious problems and we need someone who's intelligent and even handed for a change... like Senator Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSuT5zN2SPI

My 12 year old nephew figured out that Obama's pastor was a racist. He never said Obama himself was, though I do think he is. And no! I will not leave the politician alone. I will call them as I see them. I believe he is a racist but he is smart enough to know he cant say it out loud or he risks losing normal people's vote.

His pastor didnt just teach jesus, he tought Anti American Theology and a strange Marxist political view that the Obama’s have swallowed hook line and sinker. His wife has repeated much of the politics they learned in church in her meetings around the country!

NO Obamanation

05-09-2008, 06:19 PM

One difference between all of the People running is that Obama Listens to people's concerns, McCain and Hitlery think they know what's best for everyone.

Could you give me some examples please? I have listened to about every speech they play of his and I have read the transcripts of his wifes. I am not sure what you mean.

top gun

05-09-2008, 06:22 PM

NO Obamanation;37093]Are you really serious about the 100 year thing? I am sure you know it’s taken out of context. I don’t see how you can not know that.

Dude I saw it. He was dead frickin' serious. He would grow our military and have us so over deployed he'd make Bush look like a piker. My best Friends son Scott is in Iraq on his 4th tour overall 1 in Kuwait... 3 in Iraq. They're sick to death of this ****.

You know John Freaking Kerry, I really disliked that man but I was personally offended when they started those flip flop adds on him because he said “I voted for the bill before I voted against it” every one clearly knew what he meant. He voted for it, and then they added pork and asked him to vote again and he voted against it because of the pork, but everyone made it sound like he was flip flopping.

This thing with McCain is the same thing, and it offends me just as much that people think we are that stupid. McCain said as long as no soldiers were being killed as long as it was peaceful, he didn’t think the people cared if we were there 50 years, 100 years or even 1000 years. He meant in the same way we have troops in Germany and other peaceful places.

The same thing with the tax cuts. McCain never said he was against the tax cuts, he said he was against giving tax cuts with out ALSO cutting spending. He said it would be recklessly irresponsible. But instead they twist it saying he was against it now he is for it. Why do people think others are this stupid? I’ll call a spade a spade even if it means I have to defend someone as disgusting as John Freaking Kerry.

Kerry did vote both ways on issues but the reason was there were different things attached at different times. Happens all the time with both Parties.

I wish any of that explanation were true about John McCain... I really do. He actually sponsored bills and is now against them. He railed against tax cuts to the wealthy and Bush economic policy. Now he's in love with it... wants it to continue.

And on the 100 years in Iraq... I saw it. He was dead bang serious. Clueless & Gung Ho... dangerous combination my friend.

RealHippy

05-09-2008, 06:23 PM

The economy for one, he was the first one out of the whole bunch to broach that subject. There are others I could list but there is more than one computer user in my house and I have to give it up to my daughter.
Besides Who care what Obama's wife thinks, she isn't running.

top gun

05-09-2008, 06:27 PM

Bunz

05-09-2008, 06:31 PM

Besides Who care what Obama's wife thinks, she isn't running.
I have said the same thing about his former pastor. When a character like Obama comes along who is special in what he has managed to do to this point and is different from the others in the race, they will attack anything they can to grasp at straws in thier desperation. The only person on this board that has made specific policy issue about Obama is Obamanation. And I think she is fair in that judgement. But there is far to much focus being put on things that those around him are saying, moreso than any candidate in recent history.

NO Obamanation

05-09-2008, 06:33 PM

You're in the wrong ball park... but do what you must. I have old time hard core biker friends that are racists and I have black friends.

I'm neither racist or black. You aren't who you know or who your friends are. You are the person you want to be.

Barack Obama will be a great President for everybody... even you! ;)

Oh I am sorry but I am not a communist, humanist or socialist. God forbid he becomes president; it could be good in the long run…… in the way that American woke up after Jimmy Carter and gave us 8 years of Reagan. In that way yes, it could be good for me.
But “living” his administration could only be good for liberal socialistic, communistic, anti American type people….

Bunz

05-09-2008, 06:48 PM

the way that American woke up after Jimmy Carter and gave us 8 years of Reagan. In that way yes, it could be good for me. But “living” his administration could only be good for liberal socialistic, communistic, anti American type people….

Just the same that 8 dreadful years of Bush will give us a new direction with Obama.

But Obamanation, with all due respect, I urge you caution, there might be lots of liberals in America, but very few communists, its not fair or wise to lump those groups together. They are both to the left of center, but nobody here is saying we need government ownership of everything. Also, Obama supporters arent anti-American, this argument holds little water.
Most of us care deeply about our country and firmly believe that he is the best candidate. I am a proud American, much like most others. I dont doubt for a minute that Top Gun isnt a proud American, just like you and everyone else who was fortunate enough to be born here or later naturalized.

Being disappointed and disagreeable with the actions of the leadership of the government is not indicative of ones care for thier country and its fellow citizens.

NO Obamanation

05-09-2008, 07:15 PM

Just the same that 8 dreadful years of Bush will give us a new direction with Obama. .

Yes, if he wins that is going to be the reason why. I can agree with you there.

But Obamanation, with all due respect, I urge you caution, there might be lots of liberals in America, but very few communists, its not fair or wise to lump those groups together. They are both to the left of center, but nobody here is saying we need government ownership of everything. Also, Obama supporters arent anti-American, this argument holds little water.

I know a great number of open communists. Though I might agree my state does seem to attract them, so this might not be a wider spread problem than locally. But the funny thing is every single one of them that I know are for Obama. Same with the socialists that I know, same with the anti American type people that I know. So I can agree a communist is not a socialist and not all socialists are anti American, they are all for Obama  at least from what I have seen. (Though most said they were for Dennis Kucinich at first)

Most of us care deeply about our country and firmly believe that he is the best candidate. I am a proud American, much like most others. I dont doubt for a minute that Top Gun isnt a proud American, just like you and everyone else who was fortunate enough to be born here or later naturalized.

I never thought you were not a proud American. I certainly don’t think of you as a communist, or socialist. Probably not even a liberal. I have talked more with you on the boards than anyone, I don’t know if the Obama supporters on this board are communists, socialists liberals or disgruntled republicans. I do know about the people in my community I talk to regularly about the topic. And mostly those are the people I am referring to when I generalize. I don’t know enough about anyone here on these boards to say their political leanings.

top gun

05-09-2008, 08:16 PM

Oh I am sorry but I am not a communist, humanist or socialist. God forbid he becomes president; it could be good in the long run…… in the way that American woke up after Jimmy Carter and gave us 8 years of Reagan. In that way yes, it could be good for me.
But “living” his administration could only be good for liberal socialistic, communistic, anti American type people….

I think the obvious bears out what we have is actually the reverse of what you said. After Bush... Come on... Look around. Worst President ever. Even independent polling documents it.

Barack Obama... an good family man with intelligence and a positive vision for America... Yep that's the ticket for sure! I'm kinda surprised a guy this good came forward to tell ya the truth.

NO Obamanation

05-09-2008, 08:39 PM

I think the obvious bears out what we have is actually the reverse of what you said. After Bush... Come on... Look around. Worst President ever. Even independent polling documents it.

Barack Obama... an good family man with intelligence and a positive vision for America... Yep that's the ticket for sure! I'm kinda surprised a guy this good came forward to tell ya the truth.

I am still wondering why the bots think he is intelligent.

A positive vision for America? hmmm well if you tear it down to maggot dung like he does regularly then tell how with hope and change he can fix it. You could make anyplace seem horrid enough that only the god obama with his magic ... (use your own imagination) can fix.

I think they are selling obama idols that you can worship at Tiffany’s. Get yours today! Just think of it, you too can get on your knees to worship your very own obama god.

Vietvet

05-23-2008, 01:13 PM

My 12 year old nephew figured out that Obama's pastor was a racist. He never said Obama himself was, though I do think he is. And no! I will not leave the politician alone. I will call them as I see them. I believe he is a racist but he is smart enough to know he cant say it out loud or he risks losing normal people's vote.

His pastor didnt just teach jesus, he tought Anti American Theology and a strange Marxist political view that the Obama’s have swallowed hook line and sinker. His wife has repeated much of the politics they learned in church in her meetings around the country!

You say Obama is a racist. I have a question for you, which race does he favor? His mother was white, and he was raised by her. She is largely responsible for him being who he is. Seems to me that you fear having a person of color in the White House.

His pastor has no more to do with his political philosophy than McCain's endorsements from John Hagee and Rod Parsley have to do with McCain's. In fact, I believe that actively seeking the endorsements of Hagee and Parsley should call into question McCain's judgement. He claims he has so much experience, yet he couldn't muster enough common sense to vet these nut-case preachers before actively seeking their endorsements.

"Marxist political views?" how about some examples, and while you're at it, how about some proof that Wright speaks for Obama? I don't think you will be able to find any. But, Republican talking points are always easy to parrot, in lieu of facts...

Vietvet

05-23-2008, 01:19 PM

I am still wondering why the bots think he is intelligent.

A positive vision for America? hmmm well if you tear it down to maggot dung like he does regularly then tell how with hope and change he can fix it. You could make anyplace seem horrid enough that only the god obama with his magic ... (use your own imagination) can fix.

I think they are selling obama idols that you can worship at Tiffany’s. Get yours today! Just think of it, you too can get on your knees to worship your very own obama god.

This probably rates right up there with some of the most ridiculous posts I've EVER read. You don't excel at a school like Harvard unless you have a fairly high level of intelligence. Of course, if your name is GW Bush and you've got a powerful daddy, you can get through Yale with an MBA, and still not know your ass from a hole in the ground. But that's for another thread...

The drivel about "Obama idols" that "you can worship" is asinine.

revolution4PAUL

05-23-2008, 01:23 PM

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top gun

05-23-2008, 03:52 PM

I am still wondering why the bots think he is intelligent.

UH... Academic Scholorships... Harvard Law School... 1st elected Black President of The Harvard Law Review... State Senator... United States Senator... how many more you want? :D

[QUOTE]A positive vision for America? hmmm well if you tear it down to maggot dung like he does regularly then tell how with hope and change he can fix it. You could make anyplace seem horrid enough that only the god obama with his magic ... (use your own imagination) can fix.

It's sad to see Americans so mean spirited for no good reason. Look around and see what the Conservatives have done to our country. And the bad thing is... It's just beginning. It usually takes two full terms of bad policy to tank an economy because you get by for quite a while living off debt. Bottom fell out on Bush #1 from Reagan's deficit spending. Bush #2 just couldn't quite keep the dike plugged for 2 full terms. The next President whoever he is, is going to have a terribly tough time.

I think they are selling obama idols that you can worship at Tiffany’s. Get yours today! Just think of it, you too can get on your knees to worship your very own obama god.

I really don't think if the tables were turned I'd feel this way about McBush. I mean if he were hugely popular, an inspiring speaker like JFK, all about everyone getting along together. I wouldn't hate him for it. I'm sure I'd have policy differences I could find... but not hate him and his supporters because he's popular.:confused:

And let's not forget this current polling:

85% of Americans think America is moving in the wrong direction. But 85% of the American people aren't just crazy idol worshiping Obamabots. The truth is 85% of the American people as a whole are smart enough to know George Bush and the Republicans lead us down a bad dead end road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kyXN4ZVQg

NO Obamanation

05-23-2008, 04:33 PM

UH... Academic Scholorships... Harvard Law School... 1st elected Black President of The Harvard Law Review... State Senator... United States Senator... how many more you want?

Hmmm Bush and Co. went to college at Harvard and he is an idiot right ? Here is a website you might like, its done by democrats so you can believe it 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/05/197.html

State Senator and United States Senator? How is that a sign of intelligence? I mean real proof.

It's sad to see Americans so mean spirited for no good reason. Look around and see what the Conservatives have done to our country. And the bad thing is... It's just beginning. It usually takes two full terms of bad policy to tank an economy because you get by for quite a while living off debt. Bottom fell out on Bush #1 from Reagan's deficit spending. Bush #2 just couldn't quite keep the dike plugged for 2 full terms. The next President whoever he is, is going to have a terribly tough time

I wonder why you did not add Jimmy Carter to the list. The misery index was invented because of him. I can see where some things republicans have done is not good, but why cant democrats ever see what their party has done that was not good?

I really don't think if the tables were turned I'd feel this way about McBush. I mean if he were hugely popular, an inspiring speaker like JFK, all about everyone getting along together. I wouldn't hate him for it. I'm sure I'd have policy differences I could find... but not hate him and his supporters because he's popular.:confused:

I do not dislike Obama because people like him; I don’t like him because his policies are atrocious. I don’t like him because he never takes the blame when he messes up. It is always a staffer or it’s the republicans or its someone else’s mistake but never his own. I don’t like Obama because he says he is a different kind of candidate but does exactly the dirty crap THEY ALL DO. I am not saying the others do not, they all do. I don’t like Obama because he claims to unite and says he doesn’t like the race card and he doesn’t like that people are divided, then in the same speech says white voters this, black voters that, old voters here and vet voters there. He talks out both sides of his mouth but the bots can’t seem to see it. I could have a lot more respect for him if people could admit his flaws and say but he is our guy warts and all.

And let's not forget this current polling:

85% of Americans think America is moving in the wrong direction. But 85% of the American people aren't just crazy idol worshiping Obamabots. The truth is 85% of the American people as a whole are smart enough to know George Bush and the Republicans lead us down a bad dead end road.

I am part of those polls, and I also voted that we are on the wrong track. They do not ask you why you think it or who you blame, it’s a blanket question. Every one assumes that every one that answered hates bush or hates republicans, (though they both frustrate me) that is not why I think we are off track.

We need to secure our borders and quit pandering to a voting block (Hispanic) I can say this because I am part Hispanic. I don’t think they can call me racist on this one 

I think congress (who by the way is the only group with a lower approval rating than Bush) and it is a democratic congress. I think congress is so off track they may not find the rail road ties again.

I think the environmentalists are messing things up horribly and we as a nation are suffering because they are nut jobs!

So I voted off track too, but not for the reasons some did, and I know I am not alone in my thinking.

top gun

05-23-2008, 07:52 PM

NO Obamanation;38970]Hmmm Bush and Co. went to college at Harvard and he is an idiot right ? Here is a website you might like, its done by democrats so you can believe it

Bush got through with a C average and his name regonition. The same way he got through the Texas Air National Guard showing up about half the time. Are you SERIOUSLY making the claim Bush is a smart individual... I mean besides the fact he's been caught in so many lies it's not funny if you've ever heard the man speak you know he's no Barack Obama in the brain department... come on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLvBUSJucg

State Senator and United States Senator? How is that a sign of intelligence? I mean real proof.

The elected positions are some of the high positions he has already acheived putting his education to good use for the American people.

A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and lawyer before serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004.

I wonder why you did not add Jimmy Carter to the list. The misery index was invented because of him. I can see where some things republicans have done is not good, but why cant democrats ever see what their party has done that was not good?

The country did go through some tough times during the Carter administration. I would cite Jimmy Carter as a very good human being but not a great President. A lot of oil related problems back then too. But even comparing that hard time George Bush's approval rating beats that handaly... I think it's recently been as low as 23%.

I do not dislike Obama because people like him; I don’t like him because his policies are atrocious. I don’t like him because he never takes the blame when he messes up. It is always a staffer or it’s the republicans or its someone else’s mistake but never his own... I could have a lot more respect for him if people could admit his flaws and say but he is our guy warts and all.

Well I must say none of that is true. I've seen him say he's made mistakes. I think you just want EXTRA warts... and even then you'd come up with something else. You're missing out on helping a good man at a very pivotal time... but that's your choice. ;)

I am part of those polls, and I also voted that we are on the wrong track. They do not ask you why you think it or who you blame, it’s a blanket question. Every one assumes that every one that answered hates bush or hates republicans, (though they both frustrate me) that is not why I think we are off track.

We need to secure our borders and quit pandering to a voting block (Hispanic) I can say this because I am part Hispanic. I don’t think they can call me racist on this one

I think congress (who by the way is the only group with a lower approval rating than Bush) and it is a democratic congress. I think congress is so off track they may not find the rail road ties again.

I think the environmentalists are messing things up horribly and we as a nation are suffering because they are nut jobs!

So I voted off track too, but not for the reasons some did, and I know I am not alone in my thinking.

Well as reality sets in let me say this. In a free country with such huge north & south open borders like America our borders will never be secure.

Congress has a low approval rating because it gets hit by both sides. I can guarantee that as soon as there's a Democratic President that stops all the senseless vetoing and/or a democratic majority that can override and get legislation passed quickly their numbers will go up a lot.

It's funny when people attack environmentalist. You know with those crazy environmentalists it's always clean air or clean water or something. :D

So to conclude I'm sure you can agree that there might possibly be a connection between Bush @ 23% approval and Wrong track at 85%... maybe?

NO Obamanation

05-23-2008, 09:16 PM

Bush got through with a C average and his name regonition. The same way he got through the Texas Air National Guard showing up about half the time. Are you SERIOUSLY making the claim Bush is a smart individual

NO I am not trying to claim bush is smart. Did you read my post? I said that saying someone went to harvard is no example of one being smart, I said in my post bush is an idiot yet he went to harvard. Laura Bush went to harvard too and so did Bush's number #2 Dick. I would re think if going to harvard makes a person smart.

dont twist my words, its irritating

NO Obamanation

05-23-2008, 09:19 PM

Bush got through with a C average and his name regonition. The same way he got through the Texas Air National Guard showing up about half the time. Are you SERIOUSLY making the claim Bush is a smart individual... I mean besides the fact he's been caught in so many lies it's not funny if you've ever heard the man speak you know he's no Barack Obama in the brain department... come on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLvBUSJucg

The elected positions are some of the high positions he has already acheived putting his education to good use for the American people.

A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and lawyer before serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004.

The country did go through some tough times during the Carter administration. I would cite Jimmy Carter as a very good human being but not a great President. A lot of oil related problems back then too. But even comparing that hard time George Bush's approval rating beats that handaly... I think it's recently been as low as 23%.

Well I must say none of that is true. I've seen him say he's made mistakes. I think you just want EXTRA warts... and even then you'd come up with something else. You're missing out on helping a good man at a very pivotal time... but that's your choice. ;)

Well as reality sets in let me say this. In a free country with such huge north & south open borders like America our borders will never be secure.

Congress has a low approval rating because it gets hit by both sides. I can guarantee that as soon as there's a Democratic President that stops all the senseless vetoing and/or a democratic majority that can override and get legislation passed quickly their numbers will go up a lot.

It's funny when people attack environmentalist. You know with those crazy environmentalists it's always clean air or clean water or something. :D

So to conclude I'm sure you can agree that there might possibly be a connection between Bush @ 23% approval and Wrong track at 85%... maybe?

we have to agree to disagree on the reasons I do not like Obama. You dont have to think the same, if you did you wouldnt support him either. My point for listing the top few reasons was to try and explain to you that I do not loathe him because he is popular. I dont know why you think anyone would dislike anyone due to them being popular, but that is not even in the list of my reasons.

Vietvet

05-24-2008, 04:03 AM

Vietvet

05-24-2008, 04:15 AM

You might want to have your facts straight before you get egg on your face. Bush went to Yale, not Harvard. Neither Laura bush nor Cheney went to Harvard. I don't know where they did go to school, but it wasn't Harvard.

I did a little googling, and found out that Laura Bush went to SMU. I also learned that Dick Cheney had a scholarship to Yale, but flunked out there before two years had gone by. He ended up at Wyoming U. It's amazing what a little "fact finding" can do. Some of the more closed-minded people on the right should try it.

I know, I know. Harvard, Yale, SMU, Wyoming U. It's all the same...:rolleyes:

top gun

05-24-2008, 06:25 AM

NO I am not trying to claim bush is smart. Did you read my post? I said that saying someone went to harvard is no example of one being smart, I said in my post bush is an idiot yet he went to harvard. Laura Bush went to harvard too and so did Bush's number #2 Dick. I would re think if going to harvard makes a person smart.

dont twist my words, its irritating

Do ya maybe remember asking any of these?

Quote: Originally Posted by NO Obamanation
I am still wondering why the bots think he (Obama) is intelligent.

Quote: Originally Posted by NO Obamanation
Hmmm Bush and Co. went to college at Harvard and he is an idiot right ?

It's just ask & answer my friend...

#1) It's as obvious as telephone poles along the side of the road why people consider Obama intelligent.

#2) I'm either pointing out Bush IS really an idiot or I'm agreeing with you that Bush IS an idiot... pick one. :)

And you know what is even more irritating than thinking someone is twisting your words (when they're not)... Posting as facts things you obviously are very confused about. Bush went to school where? ;)

top gun

05-24-2008, 06:27 AM

top gun

05-24-2008, 06:44 AM

I did a little googling, and found out that Laura Bush went to SMU. I also learned that Dick Cheney had a scholarship to Yale, but flunked out there before two years had gone by. He ended up at Wyoming U. It's amazing what a little "fact finding" can do. Some of the more closed-minded people on the right should try it.

I know, I know. Harvard, Yale, SMU, Wyoming U. It's all the same...:rolleyes:

Goggle... now that's that search engine thing I've heard talk about right? WOW! That's kinda upsetting. I went to The Ohio State University for business and now you mean to tell me I can't keep putting I'm a Lawyer from Harvard on my resume?

Man... where's the Whiteout??? :D

Have to love the crowds coming out for Obama... they're all brainwashed ya know... NOT!!! Go Barack!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i00qyz4FKfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MO4nBXUjiM

Vietvet

05-24-2008, 10:50 AM

Goggle... now that's that search engine thing I've heard talk about right? WOW! That's kinda upsetting. I went to The Ohio State University for business and now you mean to tell me I can't keep putting I'm a Lawyer from Harvard on my resume?

Man... where's the Whiteout??? :D

Have to love the crowds coming out for Obama... they're all brainwashed ya know... NOT!!! Go Barack!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i00qyz4FKfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MO4nBXUjiM

Yeah, they want you to be what they call specifical!:D You can't say you've got a medical degree from Johns Hopkins when you've actually only got a certificate from a welding trade school...:cool:

Who wouldathunkit?

NO Obamanation

05-24-2008, 11:59 AM

You might want to have your facts straight before you get egg on your face. Bush went to Yale, not Harvard. Neither Laura bush nor Cheney went to Harvard. I don't know where they did go to school, but it wasn't Harvard.

I think it is to late the egg is there and it seems to be really stuck all over.
What is worse, the website I posted was not even the website I intended to post.

This is a good lesson for anyone, never multi task and certainly not when you are tired to start with.

Sorry for mistake. But I will still stand by the point; going to college does not make someone intelligent. Some of the worst idiots through history have been to college. Harvard, Yale and so on. Most everyone in congress and the senate went to college but you don’t hear endless chatter about how intelligent they are, yet I hear it a lot, a whole lot when it comes to Obama. But the only examples given so far was that he went to Harvard and was a state senator and is a United States senator.

I listen to him speak without his notes and it’s a lot of Ums. Err. Well.. But with notes it’s smooth, much like a pastor’s sermon.

A very intelligent person would not have let themselves get caught in stuff like,

Tony Rezco issue
Rev Wright issue
Typical white people statements
Gun and God clinging statements
Not knowing what language they speak in a country that he claims to know a lot about

I am not saying Obama is dumb, I am just saying he is not at the level people make him out to be. He is just an average Joe in political circles.

I am way way way way way way way below average, and I admit it.

top gun

05-24-2008, 01:02 PM

Yeah, they want you to be what they call specifical!:D You can't say you've got a medical degree from Johns Hopkins when you've actually only got a certificate from a welding trade school...:cool:

Who wouldathunkit?

YOU ARE KILLING ME BROTHER!!! :D

I guess I'd better put off performing that surgery on Tuesday.

top gun

05-24-2008, 01:06 PM

I am way way way way way way way below average, and I admit it.

OK... then maybe not the best one to judge.;)

NO Obamanation

05-24-2008, 02:44 PM

OK... then maybe not the best one to judge.;)

Sorry but we do live in a free country. People have a right to speak and think what is on their minds, even if it is not what you agree with. People here do have a right to speak up.
Even us “little people”

What is that great liberal bumper sticker? Speak loudly even if your voice shakes. The truth is that only applies to a liberal if you are agreeing with liberal ideas.

Funny.... If I admitted that I was way way way way way below the average of a Harvard graduate but I was a person telling you how great Obama was, and how he was like a breath of fresh air, and how he gave me hope and how I just wanted change.

You would not care how stupid I was, it would be ok by you. You would be cheering me on that I have good insight, because I was agreeing with you.

It should be ok to make a mistake, especially if you are willing to admit you have done it. It should be ok to have an opinion even if it is not the same as someone else's.

When that stops being ok, we don’t live in the America I was born in anymore.

Here We Go

05-24-2008, 02:56 PM

Some people are educated far beyond their mental capacity. :D

top gun

05-24-2008, 06:02 PM

NO Obamanation;39081]Sorry but we do live in a free country. People have a right to speak and think what is on their minds, even if it is not what you agree with. People here do have a right to speak up.
Even us “little people”

I don't think of you as some "little person". Progressives believe EVERYONE is equally important. And I think you have every right to disagree or agree or whatever. That is what makes America great.

I hope you might be able to see though that you have been extremely venomous and disparaging against Senator Obama. It's your right to do that but when you come hard and don't come correct others may want to point out your flaws of observation.

I'm just sayin'... think about it ;)

NO Obamanation

05-24-2008, 06:54 PM

I don't think of you as some "little person". Progressives believe EVERYONE is equally important. And I think you have every right to disagree or agree or whatever. That is what makes America great.

I hope you might be able to see though that you have been extremely venomous and disparaging against Senator Obama. It's your right to do that but when you come hard and don't come correct others may want to point out your flaws of observation.

I'm just sayin'... think about it ;)

I am glad to have it pointed out when I have made a mistake. That is the best way to learn. I think I was harder on myself for typing Bush went to Harvard instead of Yale than I was on Obama when he said we have 57 states. In fact I defended Obama for that statement. Everyone knows how many states we have, he was obviously tired from being on the campaign. Just like we all know Bush was in skull and bones, a Yale Frat.

If you feel you need to be harder on me if I should make a typo because I am hard on your guy, then that is ok with me. I don’t have a guy; they all suck so I just have to call them as I see them. I am harder on Obama than the other guys but that is because he is a lot worse than the other guys and I live in a world where people are literally oozing with a strange kind of love for Obama. It is rather scary and it does get tiring.

PS You will be happy to know the egg never came off even with 2 showers :o

Vietvet

05-25-2008, 05:29 AM

I think it is to late the egg is there and it seems to be really stuck all over.
What is worse, the website I posted was not even the website I intended to post.

This is a good lesson for anyone, never multi task and certainly not when you are tired to start with.

Sorry for mistake. But I will still stand by the point; going to college does not make someone intelligent. Some of the worst idiots through history have been to college. Harvard, Yale and so on. Most everyone in congress and the senate went to college but you don’t hear endless chatter about how intelligent they are, yet I hear it a lot, a whole lot when it comes to Obama. But the only examples given so far was that he went to Harvard and was a state senator and is a United States senator.

I listen to him speak without his notes and it’s a lot of Ums. Err. Well.. But with notes it’s smooth, much like a pastor’s sermon.

A very intelligent person would not have let themselves get caught in stuff like,

Tony Rezco issue
Rev Wright issue
Typical white people statements
Gun and God clinging statements
Not knowing what language they speak in a country that he claims to know a lot about

I am not saying Obama is dumb, I am just saying he is not at the level people make him out to be. He is just an average Joe in political circles.

I am way way way way way way way below average, and I admit it.

I would suggest that you read his book "The Audacity Of Hope." This is a man who sees all sides of most issues, and understands much more than you seem to realize. You can't really judge the man's intelligence by just listing RW talking points, and not doing any kind of "fact finding" on your own. It takes a little effort to find out things for one's self, and not just "check your brain at the door" and parrot what everyone on the right says.

I don't see why you are denegrating yourself. Sounds like you have a self-esteem issue there. I'm certainly not sitting here judging you.

Free your mind and your ass will follow.:cool:

Vietvet

05-25-2008, 05:33 AM

YOU ARE KILLING ME BROTHER!!! :D

I guess I'd better put off performing that surgery on Tuesday.

Hey, I can help you with that. I wield a mean soldering iron...Do you need somebody to bond a broken femur?:D

NO Obamanation

05-25-2008, 07:50 AM

I would suggest that you read his book "The Audacity Of Hope." This is a man who sees all sides of most issues, and understands much more than you seem to realize. You can't really judge the man's intelligence by just listing RW talking points, and not doing any kind of "fact finding" on your own. It takes a little effort to find out things for one's self, and not just "check your brain at the door" and parrot what everyone on the right says.

I don't see why you are denegrating yourself. Sounds like you have a self-esteem issue there. I'm certainly not sitting here judging you.

Free your mind and your ass will follow.:cool:

If I find the book at a garage sale I will get it and read it, so far I have just read the controversial quotes like about white man’s greed, and listened to several pages that Obama read.

I have no respect for the Rev. and the book was inspired by one of Wrights sermons, so I can not see paying for it. But if I can get it second hand or free. I would read it.

I have listened to the Audacity to hope sermon.

I must admit I can not imagine anything Rev. Wright saying that I would find inspiring or valuable. But I would be interested in reading it for other reasons.

I still do not agree that Obama is any more intelligent than any other Harvard or Yale graduate, but maybe has a better way with words. He would make an excellent preacher.

I didn’t think I was denigrating in my post to you, just admitting I was wrong and that I am not at the level of intelligence of a Harvard or Yale grad.

The other posts where I probably was denigrating myself were for the pleasure of Top Gun.

Vietvet

05-25-2008, 09:54 AM

If I find the book at a garage sale I will get it and read it, so far I have just read the controversial quotes like about white man’s greed, and listened to several pages that Obama read.

I have no respect for the Rev. and the book was inspired by one of Wrights sermons, so I can not see paying for it. But if I can get it second hand or free. I would read it.

I have listened to the Audacity to hope sermon.

I must admit I can not imagine anything Rev. Wright saying that I would find inspiring or valuable. But I would be interested in reading it for other reasons.

I still do not agree that Obama is any more intelligent than any other Harvard or Yale graduate, but maybe has a better way with words. He would make an excellent preacher.

I didn’t think I was denigrating in my post to you, just admitting I was wrong and that I am not at the level of intelligence of a Harvard or Yale grad.

The other posts where I probably was denigrating myself were for the pleasure of Top Gun.

????Not to belabor my original point, but you really ARE in the dark, aren't you? "The Audacity Of Hope" isn't a book by Wright...Is THAT what you thought??:confused:It's a book written by OBAMA. It's apparent that you need to do a little more fact-finding before just blindly jumping to conclusions.

In the book, Obama explains his multicultural background, among other things, and one can start to see how he has a unique perspective regarding racial matters. Just assuming that he believes everything that Wright says is simplistic. He doesn't, obviously. But one has to have the initiative to pick up the book and read it, or else be led like a blind man by what the right has to say. And the right will lead you in the wrong direction-every time. If you don't believe it, look how Bush has screwed things up nearly beyond repair. All because of the lies of the RW pundits, who convinced their blind-sheep drones into voting for the jerk.

NO Obamanation

05-25-2008, 10:03 AM

????Not to belabor my original point, but you really ARE in the dark, aren't you? "The Audacity Of Hope" isn't a book by Wright...Is THAT what you thought??:confused:It's a book written by OBAMA. It's apparent that you need to do a little more fact-finding before just blindly jumping to conclusions.

In the book, Obama explains his multicultural background, among other things, and one can start to see how he has a unique perspective regarding racial matters. Just assuming that he believes everything that Wright says is simplistic. He doesn't, obviously. But one has to have the initiative to pick up the book and read it, or else be led like a blind man by what the right has to say. And the right will lead you in the wrong direction-every time. If you don't believe it, look how Bush has screwed things up nearly beyond repair. All because of the lies of the RW pundits, who convinced their blind-sheep drones into voting for the jerk.

Please read my post again, I said

the book was inspired by one of Wrights sermons

NO Obamanation

05-25-2008, 10:08 AM

????Not to belabor my original point, but you really ARE in the dark, aren't you? "The Audacity Of Hope" isn't a book by Wright...Is THAT what you thought??:confused:It's a book written by OBAMA. It's apparent that you need to do a little more fact-finding before just blindly jumping to conclusions.

In the book, Obama explains his multicultural background, among other things, and one can start to see how he has a unique perspective regarding racial matters. Just assuming that he believes everything that Wright says is simplistic. He doesn't, obviously. But one has to have the initiative to pick up the book and read it, or else be led like a blind man by what the right has to say. And the right will lead you in the wrong direction-every time. If you don't believe it, look how Bush has screwed things up nearly beyond repair. All because of the lies of the RW pundits, who convinced their blind-sheep drones into voting for the jerk.

I have no problem with reading the book, but I do not want to pay for it and add to $$ for Mr. Obama. I do not stand at the court house with signs or do other types of protesting to things I disagree with, but I do draw the line at paying $$ for it, when ever possible.

I wanted to see fahrenheit911, but I waited for the chance to see it free. Why would I want to give $$ to Michael Moore INC.? Or to Mr. Obama for that matter.

Vietvet

05-25-2008, 10:34 AM

I have no problem with reading the book, but I do not want to pay for it and add to $$ for Mr. Obama. I do not stand at the court house with signs or do other types of protesting to things I disagree with, but I do draw the line at paying $$ for it, when ever possible.

I wanted to see fahrenheit911, but I waited for the chance to see it free. Why would I want to give $$ to Michael Moore INC.? Or to Mr. Obama for that matter.

Hey, if you want to stay in the dark and keep posting uninformed opinions, it's up to you. There is barely a mention of Wright in the Obama book, and it has little to do with any of his sermons. It's a book about changing our politics of polarization more than anything else. He talks a lot about how people have been and are being conned into voting against their own interests, through diversionary tactics, among other things. but if you want to just go on believing what the RW media tells you, be my guest. That's the easiest way to go...Personally, I'd rather try to stay informed. That way I don't end up with so much egg on my face..:D

Plus, it's just good to KNOW this kind of stuff, in order to be an informed voter. What a concept!

NO Obamanation

05-25-2008, 10:46 AM

Hey, if you want to stay in the dark and keep posting uninformed opinions, it's up to you. There is barely a mention of Wright in the Obama book, and it has little to do with any of his sermons. It's a book about changing our politics of polarization more than anything else. He talks a lot about how people have been and are being conned into voting against their own interests, through diversionary tactics, among other things. but if you want to just go on believing what the RW media tells you, be my guest. That's the easiest way to go...Personally, I'd rather try to stay informed. That way I don't end up with so much egg on my face..:D

Plus, it's just good to KNOW this kind of stuff, in order to be an informed voter. What a concept!

I have to buy Obama's book or else I am in the dark? I am not an informed voter if I do not buy and read Obama's book? Ugh.

I have only read the clips of the book that are on the net, and listened to Obama read clips of the book. This I will admit.

If I am in the dark on what the book is about, then it is because I listened to Obama. It was Obama who said he was so moved by the Revs. Sermon that it inspired him to write a book based on that sermon. So I apologies if I am in the dark, I probably shouldn’t listen to Obama at all I guess.

I am wondering if you consider all of those Obama supporters who adore him but have never read his book. Are they in the dark too?

I bet the answer is NO! We who dare to disagree are the only ones in the dark.

You did not comment, did you re read the post I had written? Where I did say the book was inspired by Wright, not written by Wright?

Vietvet

05-25-2008, 12:28 PM

I have to buy Obama's book or else I am in the dark? I am not an informed voter if I do not buy and read Obama's book? Ugh.

I have only read the clips of the book that are on the net, and listened to Obama read clips of the book. This I will admit.

If I am in the dark on what the book is about, then it is because I listened to Obama. It was Obama who said he was so moved by the Revs. Sermon that it inspired him to write a book based on that sermon. So I apologies if I am in the dark, I probably shouldn’t listen to Obama at all I guess.

I am wondering if you consider all of those Obama supporters who adore him but have never read his book. Are they in the dark too?

I bet the answer is NO! We who dare to disagree are the only ones in the dark.

You did not comment, did you re read the post I had written? Where I did say the book was inspired by Wright, not written by Wright?

Now this discussion is starting to get silly. First off, I can't speak for others who support Obama as to why they do, any more than I can figure out how so many OBVIOUSLY uninformed or misinformed people voted for Bush.TWICE!?:confused: All I can tell you is that I believe in "doing my homework" when it comes to politics. A person can go to the library, or even to Borders or Barnes and Nobles to read books or chapters of books without paying a dime. You seem to be obsessed with NOT paying for a book. That's kind of lame, imho...I've read books by people I don't agree with as well. For example,"The Way Things Ought To Be", by Rush Limbaugh, whom I happen to detest. Didn't stop me from reading the book. You know what they say,"Inquiring minds want to know.":cool:

If somebody doesn't care for Obama, fine. I'd rather just see some valid reasons for it, rather than the same old, tired, "Reverend Wright" bs..If you don't like his policies or proposals on, say, health care, explain why. If you don't agree that the war in Iraq is wrong and should never have been fought, and that now is the time to start bringing home our troops, please explain why it is that you don't. In short, it would be great to start addressing issues rather than straw-men. For a change.

top gun

05-25-2008, 12:52 PM

Hey, I can help you with that. I wield a mean soldering iron...Do you need somebody to bond a broken femur?:D

There ya go again! :D :D :D

I think this guy may need your services...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRuxDa43PZY

Vietvet

05-25-2008, 01:13 PM

There ya go again! :D :D :D

I think this guy may need your services...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRuxDa43PZY

Don't NEED to "bond" those two, they're already joined at the hip..That's because John needs Joe to keep him from making a TOTAL ass of himself on the ol' campaign trail.:cool:

NO Obamanation

05-25-2008, 01:51 PM

Now this discussion is starting to get silly. First off, I can't speak for others who support Obama as to why they do, any more than I can figure out how so many OBVIOUSLY uninformed or misinformed people voted for Bush.TWICE!?:confused: All I can tell you is that I believe in "doing my homework" when it comes to politics. A person can go to the library, or even to Borders or Barnes and Nobles to read books or chapters of books without paying a dime. You seem to be obsessed with NOT paying for a book. That's kind of lame, imho...I've read books by people I don't agree with as well. For example,"The Way Things Ought To Be", by Rush Limbaugh, whom I happen to detest. Didn't stop me from reading the book. You know what they say,"Inquiring minds want to know.":cool:

If somebody doesn't care for Obama, fine. I'd rather just see some valid reasons for it, rather than the same old, tired, "Reverend Wright" bs..If you don't like his policies or proposals on, say, health care, explain why. If you don't agree that the war in Iraq is wrong and should never have been fought, and that now is the time to start bringing home our troops, please explain why it is that you don't. In short, it would be great to start addressing issues rather than straw-men. For a change.

I am again sorry but people do have a right not to pay and support things they are opposed to. One of the ways a person can vote is with their money. I thought I gave you a good reason for not wanting to buy the book, I am sorry it was lame in your opinion. I also do not think it is right to go to barns and noble or borders and read their books without paying. There are a number of signs asking people not to do that, I would like to respect the company’s wishes. I did try to get it at the library a few weeks ago but there were none available, there will be some day and I can get it then or wait to see it for sale at a garage sale.

It was you who said “Plus, it's just good to KNOW this kind of stuff, in order to be an informed voter. What a concept!” (About reading his book) I just disagree with you that I need to read Obama’s book to be an informed voter. And questioned you on if you are willing to judge me and my being an uninformed voter because I have not read his book, would that same standard of judgment be put on other people who are voting for Obama, in your opinion have not read his book. You said “First off, I can't speak for others who support Obama as to why they do” but you could speak for me, and tell me I am uninformed” If you can tell me that I need to read his book to be an informed voter, why is it that you can not speak for other Obama supporters who did not read the book?

You also said “For example,"The Way Things Ought To Be", by Rush Limbaugh, whom I happen to detest. Didn't stop me from reading the book. You know what they say,"Inquiring minds want to know”

Again, I never said I am not willing to read the book, I am only unwilling to pay to read the book. So far you have twice twisted what I said without as much as an apology.

You keep insinuating that I am not doing my homework where Obama is concerned. I have seen almost all if not all of his news interviews, read as many as I could of his written interviews, read his voting record, read more of his website than I cared to, what exactly am I doing wrong? I have to read, see and hear it AND agree? It is not just enough to read, see and hear it and then form my own opinion? You said you liked "doing my homework” In all of your homework on Obama, did you find anything you did not care for? Or was it all practically perfect in every way?

You also said “it would be great to start addressing issues rather than straw-men. For a change.” I know you are new here, so you may not have read a lot of posts but I have talked about “real” issues. His voting record for one and the things about it I do not like. His foreign policy ideas, abortion, gun control, taxes, health care and more. If you go back on old posts there are others who have also had conversations about these issues. But, it seems they only count if they agree with you. Other wise we are “in the dark” or “uninformed”

NO Obamanation

05-25-2008, 02:57 PM

I only just saw this post

You say Obama is a racist. I have a question for you, which race does he favor? His mother was white, and he was raised by her. She is largely responsible for him being who he is. Seems to me that you fear having a person of color in the White House.

I would say his leanings are against racist white grandmother he threw under the bus the day he defended his pastor. I have never heard him say or read that he said anything about people of color, but I have heard him talk about typical white people and tell how his grandmothers racism sometimes made him “cringe” "White man's Greed versus a World in Need" Speaking about small town “white” voters “clinging to guns and God, antipathy toward others who are different from themselves”

I love that your first post to me was the race card. You are true to form and prove my point! Thank you very much!

His pastor has no more to do with his political philosophy than McCain's endorsements from John Hagee and Rod Parsley have to do with McCain's. In fact, I believe that actively seeking the endorsements of Hagee and Parsley should call into question McCain's judgement. He claims he has so much experience, yet he couldn't muster enough common sense to vet these nut-case preachers before actively seeking their endorsements. "Marxist political views?" how about some examples, and while you're at it, how about some proof that Wright speaks for Obama? I don't think you will be able to find any. But, Republican talking points are always easy to parrot, in lieu of facts...

Marxist, communistic ideas fed from the mouth of Rev. Wright to the mouth of Mr. and Mrs. Obama. My best example is the “do not strive for middleclassness” before the Trinity church sanitized their website from the black value system. #8 of must do’s was to Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”

Michelle Obama spoke to a women’s group on the campaign trail expressing her concern for the women striving for middleclassness. She urged them to not go to corporate America, and not to go to Ivy league schools, (Like she herself did) but to stay in their own communities. And to be happy with moderate lives.

Now one of the biggest American dreams is to become middle class, to get that house on the hill (like Mr. and Mrs. Obama, and the pastor for that matter.) It is not normal to come up with such an idea to be talking to women’s groups about. It is obvious it came right from the church and rev Wright. And Wright got it from your basic communism 101. Everyone should stay the same, the few that need to be higher up can have more but the rest of us need to be satisfied with lowerclassness.

Another example is very recently, Mr. Obama spoke to a huge crowd explaining how we can’t drive our SUV’s, eat what ever we want and have our temperatures at 72 at all times, people in other countries do not like that. . Those are very communistic Marxist statements.

His opinion on gun control is also something they do in communistic type countries, not in the USA

Vietvet

05-25-2008, 08:43 PM

I only just saw this post

I would say his leanings are against racist white grandmother he threw under the bus the day he defended his pastor. I have never heard him say or read that he said anything about people of color, but I have heard him talk about typical white people and tell how his grandmothers racism sometimes made him “cringe” "White man's Greed versus a World in Need" Speaking about small town “white” voters “clinging to guns and God, antipathy toward others who are different from themselves”

I love that your first post to me was the race card. You are true to form and prove my point! Thank you very much!

Marxist, communistic ideas fed from the mouth of Rev. Wright to the mouth of Mr. and Mrs. Obama. My best example is the “do not strive for middleclassness” before the Trinity church sanitized their website from the black value system. #8 of must do’s was to Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”

Michelle Obama spoke to a women’s group on the campaign trail expressing her concern for the women striving for middleclassness. She urged them to not go to corporate America, and not to go to Ivy league schools, (Like she herself did) but to stay in their own communities. And to be happy with moderate lives.

Now one of the biggest American dreams is to become middle class, to get that house on the hill (like Mr. and Mrs. Obama, and the pastor for that matter.) It is not normal to come up with such an idea to be talking to women’s groups about. It is obvious it came right from the church and rev Wright. And Wright got it from your basic communism 101. Everyone should stay the same, the few that need to be higher up can have more but the rest of us need to be satisfied with lowerclassness.

Another example is very recently, Mr. Obama spoke to a huge crowd explaining how we can’t drive our SUV’s, eat what ever we want and have our temperatures at 72 at all times, people in other countries do not like that. . Those are very communistic Marxist statements.

His opinion on gun control is also something they do in communistic type countries, not in the USA

I'm sorry, but none of what you mentioned has a thing to do with communism. You have a tendency, I'm beginning to see, of getting all worked up over things which are basically ridiculous. What do you mean she told them to "not go to corporate America?" Hell, that makes no sense whatsoever.You got a link? The stuff about not driving SUVs and keeping temps at a reasonable setting is just common sense. I mean, there is obviously an energy crises, and even conservatives are finally starting to talk about conservation. How ironic is that?It's not like they are trying to FORCE anybody to do it, only telling people what is already pretty obvious to most of us.

Oh yeah, only "communistic type countries" like Britain, France, Japan, Germany,Canada, etc., have implemented any serious gun control laws..:confused:

Oh yeah, that's a brilliant observation if there ever was one...:rolleyes:

NO Obamanation

05-25-2008, 09:34 PM

I'm sorry, but none of what you mentioned has a thing to do with communism. You have a tendency, I'm beginning to see, of getting all worked up over things which are basically ridiculous. What do you mean she told them to "not go to corporate America?" Hell, that makes no sense whatsoever.You got a link? The stuff about not driving SUVs and keeping temps at a reasonable setting is just common sense. I mean, there is obviously an energy crises, and even conservatives are finally starting to talk about conservation. How ironic is that?It's not like they are trying to FORCE anybody to do it, only telling people what is already pretty obvious to most of us.

Oh yeah, only "communistic type countries" like Britain, France, Japan, Germany,Canada, etc., have implemented any serious gun control laws..:confused:

Oh yeah, that's a brilliant observation if there ever was one...:rolleyes:

keeping everyone in the lower class and in their places is what communists do, as well as socialist but not to the same degree.

and no Mrs. Obama did not demand they do not go to corporate America, she suggested it. Do not strive for middleclassness was her reasoning. I had the link earlier, I can find it again.

the countries you named are all more or less socialist countries, unlike the USA. About the only differnce I see in socialism and communism is the right to religous freedoms.

Glad you think you know me so well.

KX450man

05-26-2008, 12:33 AM

top gun

05-26-2008, 05:47 AM

NO Obamanation;39174]
I would say his leanings are against racist white grandmother he threw under the bus the day he defended his pastor. I have never heard him say or read that he said anything about people of color, but I have heard him talk about typical white people and tell how his grandmothers racism sometimes made him “cringe” "White man's Greed versus a World in Need" Speaking about small town “white” voters “clinging to guns and God, antipathy toward others who are different from themselves”

OMG... if there was ever a guy from a diverse background that has love in his heart and only wants to help everyone it's Barack Obama. I realize it never occured to you during your hate fest that a person that has experianced the ignorance & pain of racism close up can either waller in it or WORK HARD TO BETTER THEMSELVES, EDUCATE THEIRSELVES AND TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER! Senator Obama has long track record of working to help those that have fallen on hard times do to plant closings etc. and race never played any, ZERO role at all.

The funnyest (funnyest in the what a bunch of morons sense) thing is until the man ran for Pesident... throughout his childhood, school & college years, work as a community organizer, 8 years in the Illinois State Senate, and during his time as United States Senator no one has ever mentioned Senator Obama had done anything even remotely racist.

Michelle Obama spoke to a women’s group on the campaign trail expressing her concern for the women striving for middleclassness. She urged them to not go to corporate America, and not to go to Ivy league schools, (Like she herself did) but to stay in their own communities. And to be happy with moderate lives.

Yeah that's what she meant... NOT! Michelle Obama was speaking not against bettering oneself. As you pointed out that is exactly what her and her husband did with hard work & good grades. What Mrs. Obama was saying was don't forget where you came from and try to go back & bring others up with you. CRAZY TALK!!! :eek:

Another example is very recently, Mr. Obama spoke to a huge crowd explaining how we can’t drive our SUV’s, eat what ever we want and have our temperatures at 72 at all times, people in other countries do not like that. . Those are very communistic Marxist statements.

When you say Marxist you mean Marxist like what almost all scientists, environmentalists and President Bush are saying... because they all have said that you know. But United States Senator Barack Obama is the Marxist?:confused:

I'm not sure but I think the honesty factor in your truth in advertising and research department have reached total disconnect.

His opinion on gun control is also something they do in communistic type countries, not in the USA.

Just when you think it couldn't get any sillier you prove us wrong. :D

GUNS

REALITY: OBAMA HAS CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTED COMMON SENSE GUN CONTROL, AS
WELL AS THE RIGHTS OF LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS

Obama Supported A Package Of Legislation That Would Limit Handgun
Sales To One A Month. " We're eliminating 17 specific assault weapons.
There is no reason why anybody should need an assault weapon to
protect themselves or their family,' Obama said. 'We're limiting
handgun sales to one a month. 'We're calling for handgun
registration."

Obama Voted To Prohibit Multiple Sales Of Handguns Within A 30-Day
Period.

Obama Disagreed With The NRA That "People Should Be Unimpeded And
Unregulated On Gun Ownership;"

Obama: America Has A "Tradition Of Gun Ownership In This Country That
Can Be Respected." The Weekly Standard reported, "When a student asks
Obama for his views on the Second Amendment, he reminds his audience
that he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago and is
thus familiar with the arguments regarding the right to bear arms. He
acknowledges 'a tradition of gun ownership in this country that can be
respected,' and says that his academic studies convinced him gun
ownership 'is an individual right and not just the right of a
militia.'

Vietvet

05-26-2008, 06:11 AM

keeping everyone in the lower class and in their places is what communists do, as well as socialist but not to the same degree.

and no Mrs. Obama did not demand they do not go to corporate America, she suggested it. Do not strive for middleclassness was her reasoning. I had the link earlier, I can find it again.

the countries you named are all more or less socialist countries, unlike the USA. About the only differnce I see in socialism and communism is the right to religous freedoms.

Glad you think you know me so well.

You are woefully misinformed. Japan is a "Socialist" country? I don't think so..France, sure. Britain, which has a parliamentary system which our US Congress is based on, is not.Ditto Canada.Try telling citizens from those countries that they are not free, and they'll no-doubt be quite offended.They have the same rights as we do here in the US, for the most part, if not more. They elect their leaders, and they've been doing it for many years now. They are hardly living under totalitarism..They seemed to be doing pretty well in Britain when I visited there a few years ago. My gf's daughter even had some dental work done, which would have cost over $2,000 here in the states-for FREE. Go figure..

There are actually HUGE differences between socialism and communism other than religious freedom or lack thereof, but you'll have to figure that out for yourself, if you have the inclination to do so, which I doubt.

NO Obamanation

05-26-2008, 09:24 AM

OMG... if there was ever a guy from a diverse background that has love in his heart and only wants to help everyone it's Barack Obama. I realize it never occured to you during your hate fest that a person that has experianced the ignorance & pain of racism close up can either waller in it or WORK HARD TO BETTER THEMSELVES, EDUCATE THEIRSELVES AND TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER! Senator Obama has long track record of working to help those that have fallen on hard times do to plant closings etc. and race never played any, ZERO role at all.

You call disagreeing with you on Obama a “hate fest” It has not occurred to you that we just disagree on him and his motives? You do not know anything about me, or my life. I have been the subject of racism through out my childhood, though it has subsided in my adult life. There is at least one thing we can agree on, you can either “waller” in it or work hard to better yourself and over come it.

The funnyest (funnyest in the what a bunch of morons sense) thing is until the man ran for Pesident... throughout his childhood, school & college years, work as a community organizer, 8 years in the Illinois State Senate, and during his time as United States Senator no one has ever mentioned Senator Obama had done anything even remotely racist.

I have never said he “did” anything racist, I said he “said” things that sounded racist against white people. I am not considered a white person, so though it does not affect me personally, it does affect my son and daughter who are considered white people. And besides that, even if it didn’t affect my own children, racism is wrong I don’t care who it is aimed at. The new racism that seems to be ok is racism against white people. I detest that as much as I do against black people or the type that was done to me as a child.

[Yeah that's what she meant... NOT!Michelle Obama was speaking not against bettering oneself. As you pointed out that is exactly what her and her husband did with hard work & good grades. What Mrs. Obama was saying was don't forget where you came from and try to go back & bring others up with you. CRAZY TALK!!! :eek:

I disagree, she was not saying “don’t forget where we came from, come back to visit and help” she was saying avoid middleclassness, avoid corporate America as a job, avoid Ivey league schools. Work in the service industry in your own community. She has every right to say it and believe it, my only point in bringing it up was that another poster said she and her husband did not get any of their political or social views from their pastors church. I was only telling this to you as an example of what the pastor taught, what was posted on the pastors website and what the Obama’s did believe and teach, right from the church.

When you say Marxist you mean Marxist like what almost all scientists, environmentalists and President Bush are saying... because they all have said that you know. But United States Senator Barack Obama is the Marxist?:confused:

I did not post anything about Mr. Bush, I posted about Mr. and Mrs. Obama. Here is another comment by her that resembles Marxist thinking.

“If we don’t wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership…for how we want this country to work, then we won’t get universal health care,” she said.

“The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.”

I believe as an American, I have the right to strongly disagree in this type of leadership. I do not want to work 50 hours a week so some portion of what I have workd for can be taken (my part of the pie) and given to someone who thought 20 hours a week was good enough for them. I believe that redistribution of wealth is a socialist and or communistic act.

I'm not sure but I think the honesty factor in your truth in advertising and research department have reached total disconnect.

I spent some time pondering this quote but I really did not understand it, so my only reply is please clarify?

"Just when you think it couldn't get any sillier you prove us wrong. :D

GUNS

REALITY: OBAMA HAS CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTED COMMON SENSE GUN CONTROL, AS
WELL AS THE RIGHTS OF LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS

Obama Supported A Package Of Legislation That Would Limit Handgun
Sales To One A Month. " We're eliminating 17 specific assault weapons.
There is no reason why anybody should need an assault weapon to
protect themselves or their family,' Obama said. 'We're limiting
handgun sales to one a month. 'We're calling for handgun
registration."

Obama Voted To Prohibit Multiple Sales Of Handguns Within A 30-Day
Period.

Obama Disagreed With The NRA That "People Should Be Unimpeded And
Unregulated On Gun Ownership;"

Obama: America Has A "Tradition Of Gun Ownership In This Country That
Can Be Respected." The Weekly Standard reported, "When a student asks
Obama for his views on the Second Amendment, he reminds his audience
that he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago and is
thus familiar with the arguments regarding the right to bear arms. [B]He
acknowledges 'a tradition of gun ownership in this country that can be
respected,' and says that his academic studies convinced him gun
ownership 'is an individual right and not just the right of a
militia.'

From an Interview with Obama:

Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms."
http://www.massscorecard.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

Again as Americans we can agree or disagree on where the country is heading. I do not like his stand on gun control. I do not have a dog in this fight. I don’t even have a gun, but I am not willing to let our rights be taken from us without a fight. I feel as do many Americans, all of the constitution is valuable and important.

I do not know why you have to be so mean to me personally because I disagree with you about Obama. It’s as though anyone disagreeing with you on this man is somehow a bad person. We are all people, we just disagree on the politics of the candidates.

NO Obamanation

05-26-2008, 10:48 AM

You are woefully misinformed. Japan is a "Socialist" country? I don't think so..France, sure. Britain, which has a parliamentary system which our US Congress is based on, is not.Ditto Canada.Try telling citizens from those countries that they are not free, and they'll no-doubt be quite offended.They have the same rights as we do here in the US, for the most part, if not more. They elect their leaders, and they've been doing it for many years now. They are hardly living under totalitarism..They seemed to be doing pretty well in Britain when I visited there a few years ago. My gf's daughter even had some dental work done, which would have cost over $2,000 here in the states-for FREE. Go figure..

FREE? Sorry but NOTHING is free. Some poor sucker or better said SuckerS worked more and paid extra to the government to cover your girlfriend’s daughter dental work. I do not think the dentist did it for free. He or she was paid by someone and that someone is the working people who were over taxed so your girlfriend daughter can get something free. Free to her, but not FREE.

I am sorry, I was being lazy when I posted. I should have known to be more careful when replying to you. My fault. I lazily lumped them all together by saying “the countries you named are all more or less socialist countries,” I should have been specific.

Canada is a socialist country. Now I never said they are under totalitarism, that is just you twisting my words again. Though I believe Britain, Germany and France are socialist too, I do not know as much about them as I do Canada. I should have taken the time to type out every country you listed except Japan. (I know little to nothing about Japan) and again I apologies for being too lazy to type out the 4 countries, leaving out the one.

So… About Canada…..

redistribution of wealth:

The provinces of Ontario and Alberta are the only net contributors to the economy of the country and are punished for this by having their wealth taken. Despite being morally wrong, this system of “taking from the rich to give to the poor” is rife with flaws. A family in Alberta with a household income of $30,000 - $40,000 will pay out over $3000 for equalization payments, while a family in the province of Newfoundland which has a household income of over $100,000 will receive over a $1000 in benefits. Furthermore, these equalization payments have not led to economic development in the areas receiving them, ensuring that the system will never end.

Just Society:
Pierre Trudeau started the Canadian cause for a society where no one "should be entitled to superfluous or luxury goods until the essentials of life are made available to everyone", which set the tone for modern day Canada, in spite of the policy's devastatingly Socialistic after-effects.

More on Canadian socialism
http://www.namyth.com/SocialismWORKS!/index.php?sw=Canada#redistribution

Censorship in Canada (banned or challenged books)
http://www.freedomtoread.ca/censorship_in_canada/index.asp

Attempt to ban bibles in Canadian hospitals backfires
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2005/05/13/nb-bibles20050513.html

Certain passages of the Bible can be construed as hate literature if placed in a particular context, according to a Canadian provincial court.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31080

Due to public outcry the CRTC “unbanned” fox news for Canadian consumption, 8 years after it came on line. The same time they said OK to Al-Jazeera. (CNN was approved when it first came on line.)
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/18/fox_crtc041118.html

top gun

05-26-2008, 11:52 AM

NO Obamanation;39266]You call disagreeing with you on Obama a “hate fest” ...

Yes... the way you go about it is venomous and deceptive. If someone was doing anything even remotely similar to what you're trying so hard to do to Senator Obama I'd come to your defense as well. I'm sorry but I don't care for attempts to swift boat a good American.

I have never said he “did” anything racist, I said he “said” things that sounded racist against white people.

You've spent ridiculous amounts of time on this board saying Senator Obama and family, think, act, or believe racist things. Down the road when someone treats you badly for no good reason I hope you think back to things you've said and reflect on it. That's all I'm saying.

I disagree, she was not saying “don’t forget where we came from, come back to visit and help” she was saying avoid middleclassness, avoid corporate America as a job, avoid Ivey league schools. Work in the service industry in your own community.

PRINT THE LINK WHERE MRS. OBAMA SAID THIS! Where she told people not to try and get ahead.

I did not post anything about Mr. Bush, I posted about Mr. and Mrs. Obama. Here is another comment by her that resembles Marxist thinking.

“If we don’t wake up as a nation with a new kind of leadership…for how we want this country to work, then we won’t get universal health care,” she said.

“The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.”

I believe as an American, I have the right to strongly disagree in this type of leadership. I do not want to work 50 hours a week so some portion of what I have workd for can be taken (my part of the pie) and given to someone who thought 20 hours a week was good enough for them. I believe that redistribution of wealth is a socialist and or communistic act.

National Healthcare or at the very least a revamping of Healthcare in America is vitally important. There are some things that become monopolies. There is no real competition. Healthcare is a good example of one of these corporate industries.

When people have to go to the hospital uninsured they still get treated on YOUR DIME whether you choose to believe it or not. Your Insurance premiums reflect this loss to the healthcare system as a whole.

Saying we can't do better isn't a solution... it's burying your head in the sand and just not trying.

By rolling back the Bush tax cuts to the rich to where they were previously along with other changes we can have a better heathcare system. It may not even be univeral... but at least we're trying to make it better and more affordable to all.

You know I could make the same "Marxist, Socialist, Communist argument against NASA. Maybe I didn't give a hoot about going to moon. Why should I have to help pay for it? It's because things we hope to learn help us all in the long run. And I'll say again... $12 BILLION DOLLARS PER MONTH on a Bush totally made up war... we can find a way to help sick Americans.

I spent some time pondering this quote but I really did not understand it, so my only reply is please clarify?

When you say Marxist you mean Marxist like what almost all scientists, environmentalists and President Bush are saying... because they all have said that you know. But United States Senator Barack Obama is the Marxist?

From an Interview with Obama:

Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.

We've already been over this. You can have the purchase of guns to law abiding citizens while also having intensive background checks, reasonable restrictions, and licensing.

Sometimes things can be both good & bad and a responsible person tries to address those problems. For instance the one handgun purchase a month idea. That came up because the local police had been documenting problems where people with clean records were buying bundels of hanguns and then selling them to crimminals in the inner city... people that could not legally buy them. They wanted to attempt to slow that down.

Guns will still be legal & available to the public under President Obama I assure you.
I do not know why you have to be so mean to me personally because I disagree with you about Obama. It’s as though anyone disagreeing with you on this man is somehow a bad person. We are all people, we just disagree on the politics of the candidates.

Nobody's being mean to ya. I'm just refusing to coddle you or just accept fear mongering or unfair character assassinations. Sorry if that seems rough. :)

NO Obamanation

05-26-2008, 12:13 PM

PRINT THE LINK WHERE MRS. OBAMA SAID THIS! Where she told people not to try and get ahead.[/COLOR][/B]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1978845/posts

Michelle Obama: Tells Lower Middle Class Women, Don't Go Into Corporate America
March 01, 2008

Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008

Michelle Obama - "Hope makes a comeback"?
From Byron York at National Review's The Corner:
I have a new story today about Michelle Obama's visit to Zanesville, Ohio, where she met with a group of women at a local day care center. According to the U.S. Census, Muskingum County, where Zanesville is located, had a median household income of $37,192 in 2004, below both the Ohio and national averages. Just 12.2 percent of adults in the county have a bachelor's degree or higher, also well below the state and national averages. About 20 percent don't have a high school degree. Nevertheless, Mrs. Obama urged them to foreswear lucrative professions like corporate law or hedge fund management and go into the helping industry, even if the sacrifice is great:

As she has many times in the past, Mrs. Obama complains about the lasting
burden of student loans dating from her days at Princeton and Harvard Law
School. She talks about people who end up taking years and years, until middle
age, to pay off their debts. “The salaries don’t keep up with the cost of paying
off the debt, so you’re in your 40s, still paying off your debt at a time when
you have to save for your kids,” she says.

“Barack and I were in that position,” she continues. “The only reason we’re
not in that position is that Barack wrote two best-selling books… It was like
Jack and his magic beans. But up until a few years ago, we were struggling to
figure out how we would save for our kids.”

A former attorney with the white-shoe Chicago firm of Sidley & Austin,
Obama explains that she and her husband made the choice to give up lucrative
jobs in favor of community service. “We left corporate America, which is a lot
of what we’re asking young people to do,” she tells the women. “Don’t go into
corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social
workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we’re encouraging
our young people to do that. But if you make that choice, as we did, to move out
of the money-making industry into the helping industry, then your salaries
respond.”

Faced with that reality, she adds, “many of our bright stars are going into
corporate law or hedge-fund management.”What she doesn’t mention is that the
helping industry has treated her pretty well. In 2006, the Chicago Tribune
reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital,
where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in
2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005,
just after he took office. And that does not count the money Mrs. Obama receives
from serving on corporate boards. She would have been O.K. even without Jack’s
magic beans.
Mrs. Obama also bemoaned the amount of money she has to spend — nearly one-third of the median household income in Zanesville — on piano, dance, and other lessons for her two children. But she was grateful for the concern her husband's supporters have shown for her. "Everywhere I go, no matter what, the women in the audience, their first question for me is, 'How on earth are you managing it, how are you keeping it all together?'" she told the women.
It is bad enough that she is telling people who are relatively poor to not pursue lucrative careers. Yes, that is bad enough. But, Michelle Obama's suggestion, if it were to be taken up by sizable numbers of people, would bankrupt the economy.

Those lucrative corporate careers are where the money is made that pays the taxes that provide for jobs as teachers and social workers.

Do you think, possibly, Michelle Obama is so ignorant of basic economics that she doesn't even know that?

Or, is she just talking down to a group of middle-class women and, thereby, destroying their "hope" and their dreams? Hope is making a comeback, indeed.

This above is #8 on the list in the black value system taught and preached by Pastor Rev. Wright. And until recently was posted in the church’s website.

I absolutely believe Mrs. Obama has a right to believe this and teach this. That was never why I brought it up. I ONLY brought it up because it was argued in a previous post that Mr. and Mrs. Obama did not take any of the political or social values from the church they attended, and this is #8 in the list of the churches teachings.

I disagree with just about everything Mrs. Obama said, but she does have the right to say it.

NO Obamanation

05-26-2008, 12:42 PM

Yes...the way you go about it is venomous and deceptive. If someone was doing anything even remotely similar to what you're trying so hard to do to Senator Obama I'd come to your defense as well. I'm sorry but I don't care for attempts to swift boat a good American.

Reading and listening and then coming up with a different point of view is not “swift boating”

You've spent ridiculous amounts of time on this board saying Senator Obama and family, think, act, or believe racist things. Down the road when someone treats you badly for no good reason I hope you think back to things you've said and reflect on it. That's all I'm saying.

I have posted their own words and explained why I thought it was racist. I also think calling a black person an uncle tom or a token because they are a republican a racist thing to say too.

National Healthcare or at the very least a revamping of Healthcare in America is vitally important. There are some things that become monopolies. There is no real competition. Healthcare is a good example of one of these corporate industries.

I respect your opinion on having national health care, but not everyone agrees it’s a good idea. People who disagree with it being a good idea should not be treated like garbage for merely disagreeing. If it becomes the law of the land then it does, but there has to be some debate about if it’s a good idea. And as much as you have the right to say and believe it’s a good idea, I have the same right to think it’s a bad idea. And that can be done with out treating each other like garbage.

When people have to go to the hospital uninsured they still get treated onYOUR DIME whether you choose to believe it or not. Your Insurance premiums reflect this loss to the healthcare system as a whole.

I have never said that our health care system is perfect, and I would agree totally there needs to be MUCH reform. I just don’t agree that national health care is the answer.

Saying we can't do better isn't a solution... it's burying your head in the sand and just not trying.

I have never said we can not do better than we are currently doing. I have never said we should bury our heads in the sand.

By rolling back the Bush tax cuts to the rich to where they were previously along with other changes we can have a better heathcare system. It may not even be univeral... but at least we're trying to make it better and more affordable to all.

I totally respect your opinion on this being a possible way to fund it. I don’t think it is nearly enough money for funding it and something else would have to give. I am not sure I agree with national health care at all but again I respect your right to your opinion.

You know I could make the same "Marxist, Socialist, Communist argument against NASA. Maybe I didn't give a hoot about going to moon. Why should I have to help pay for it? It's because things we hope to learn help us all in the long run. And I'll say again... $12 BILLION DOLLARS PER MONTHon a Bush totally made up war... we can find a way to help sick Americans.

you are right about us all being forced to pay for NASA, that is a good example. The war though is not being funded by our $$ we are borrowing the money from China; it sadly is going to be our children who pay for it. And I also agree we should and could find a way to help sick Americans. But hopefully not borrowing from China to get it done.

When you say Marxist you mean Marxist like what almost all scientists, environmentalists and President Bush are saying... because they all have said that you know. But United States Senator Barack Obama is the Marxist?

I think Bush has Marxist ideas as well. But I do not think they lean as far as Obama’s does.
I would like a clean wash of all the politicians.

Republicans today are just watered down democrats. And Democrats are just watered down socialists. So really, I have a problem with all of them.

We've already been over this. You can have the purchase of guns to law abiding citizens while also having intensive background checks, reasonable restrictions, and licensing. Sometimes things can be both good & bad and a responsible person tries to address those problems. For instance the one handgun purchase a month idea. That came up because the local police had been documenting problems where people with clean records were buying bundels of hanguns and then selling them to crimminals in the inner city... people that could not legally buy them. They wanted to attempt to slow that down.

Yes we have already been over gun control. And we just disagree. You feel strongly that Obama has a good and sensible gun plan, and I feel it goes too far. We disagree. It is ok to disagree.

Guns will still be legal & available to the public under President Obama I assure you.

Legal for who is the question.

Nobody's being mean to ya. I'm just refusing to coddle you or just accept fear mongering or unfair character assassinations. Sorry if that seems rough.:)

I certainly do not want you to “coddle” me. Just basic respect that human beings give human beings would be nice.

I do not think I am unfairly attacking Mr. or Mrs. Obama. I am posting what they said or replying to a post that someone else posted of what they said and giving my opinion. I admit my opinions are more conservative so they would not mesh with most of Obama’s thinking.

Though there is a lot of character assassination on these boards, they generally lean to Bush bashing. I am sure you find that perfectly acceptable. But if anyone shows a similarity to someone political from the left, then it tends to be called hateful and character assassination.