An Obama Issue

[Dr.Who]

I have asked for this repeatedly, in multiple threads, but NOBODY has taken me up on the offer. Probably because the ISSUES are where Obama is weakest.

Pick ANY issue Obama is promoting and we can go from there.


You have earned my respect and so your wish is my command.

Googling "obama platform" I found this site:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

The first issue presented is this:

"Civil Rights:
There is no more fundamental American right than the right to vote. Before the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act, barriers such as literacy tests, poll taxes and property requirements disenfranchised many Americans, especially minorities. More than 40 years later, there are still numerous obstacles to ensuring that every citizen has the ability to vote."

I clicked on the link titled "continue reading" and I get this:

“The teenagers and college students who left their homes to march in the streets of Birmingham and Montgomery; the mothers who walked instead of taking the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry and cleaning somebody else's kitchen — they didn't brave fire hoses and Billy clubs so that their grandchildren and their great-grandchildren would still wonder at the beginning of the 21st century whether their vote would be counted; whether their civil rights would be protected by their government; whether justice would be equal and opportunity would be theirs. . . . We have more work to do.”

— Barack Obama, Speech at Howard University, September 28, 2007

It then says that Senator Obamas plan is:

"End Deceptive Voting Practices
Obama will sign into law his legislation that establishes harsh penalties for those who have engaged in voter fraud and provides voters who have been misinformed with accurate and full information so they can vote."

The first problem I see is that he has presented no evidence that any obstacles still exist.

So I googled that and this (following a list of long gone historical obstacles like poll taxes) is what I got: (I added the boldface)
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/CliffsReviewTopic/Obstacles-to-Voting.topicArticleId-25170,articleId-25127.html

"Other restrictions to voting
Although all the limitations on African Americans' voting have been abolished, they were not the only group affected by restrictions. Native Americans became eligible to vote in 1924 when they were made citizens of the United States by an act of Congress. It was not until 1952 that Congress overturned 19th-century laws that had denied citizenship to Asian immigrants.

Even today, voter registration requirements make it difficult, if not impossible, for some people to vote. In order to register, an applicant must have a permanent address, which the homeless do not have. Thousands of college students who go away to school can vote only “back home” through an absentee ballot. Many Americans find voting a chore because they move homes rapidly, and renewing their voter registration in the new locale is not a high priority."
(his plan quoted above doesn't even address these minor problems)

I have also heard that the need for a photo ID is a barrier.
This site, linked below says this:
http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2005/04/states-heighten-obstacles-to-voting.asp

"20 states now require some form of identification, but Georgia and South Carolina will be the most restrictive, forcing voters to fill out a provisional ballot if they have no picture ID -- a form of voting more easily challenged and disqualified. Florida, Hawaii, Louisiana and South Dakota also require photo ID, but allow voters to sign an affidavit verifying their voter information as an alternative."

Clearly there are many many more examples of dead people voting and people arriving at the polls to discover that they have already voted than there are people who don't have a photo ID AND could not fill out a form if they did not have one.

So if this adds up correctly Senetor Obama's most important civil rights issue is a virtually non-existent problem of obstacles to voting.

In general when I read his speeches or hear about what he wants to do to make changes in our country I find that he is talking about non-issues. I see him primarily wanting to make real changes to make a more powerful federal government in response to unreal problems.

[NO Obamanation]

If Obama was truly concerned about the voter, he would have done everything in his power to be sure that Michigan and Florida were counted fully, way back when they mattered. I hear now that they don’t matter he is fighting to get them to count fully.

If someone says I can not vote because I do not have photo ID, I would ask them how you got registered to vote in the first place without photo ID (unless you live in Oregon, where voter fraud is abundant and no one needs to show any ID of any kind to register to vote by mail.)

[Libsmasher]

You have earned my respect and so your wish is my command.

Googling "obama platform" I found this site:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

The first issue presented is this:

"Civil Rights:
There is no more fundamental American right than the right to vote. Before the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act, barriers such as literacy tests, poll taxes and property requirements disenfranchised many Americans, especially minorities. More than 40 years later, there are still numerous obstacles to ensuring that every citizen has the ability to vote."

I clicked on the link titled "continue reading" and I get this:

“The teenagers and college students who left their homes to march in the streets of Birmingham and Montgomery; the mothers who walked instead of taking the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry and cleaning somebody else's kitchen — they didn't brave fire hoses and Billy clubs so that their grandchildren and their great-grandchildren would still wonder at the beginning of the 21st century whether their vote would be counted; whether their civil rights would be protected by their government; whether justice would be equal and opportunity would be theirs. . . . We have more work to do.”

— Barack Obama, Speech at Howard University, September 28, 2007

It then says that Senator Obamas plan is:

"End Deceptive Voting Practices
Obama will sign into law his legislation that establishes harsh penalties for those who have engaged in voter fraud and provides voters who have been misinformed with accurate and full information so they can vote."

The first problem I see is that he has presented no evidence that any obstacles still exist.

So I googled that and this (following a list of long gone historical obstacles like poll taxes) is what I got: (I added the boldface)
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/CliffsReviewTopic/Obstacles-to-Voting.topicArticleId-25170,articleId-25127.html

"Other restrictions to voting
Although all the limitations on African Americans' voting have been abolished, they were not the only group affected by restrictions. Native Americans became eligible to vote in 1924 when they were made citizens of the United States by an act of Congress. It was not until 1952 that Congress overturned 19th-century laws that had denied citizenship to Asian immigrants.

Even today, voter registration requirements make it difficult, if not impossible, for some people to vote. In order to register, an applicant must have a permanent address, which the homeless do not have. Thousands of college students who go away to school can vote only “back home” through an absentee ballot. Many Americans find voting a chore because they move homes rapidly, and renewing their voter registration in the new locale is not a high priority."
(his plan quoted above doesn't even address these minor problems)

I have also heard that the need for a photo ID is a barrier.
This site, linked below says this:
http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2005/04/states-heighten-obstacles-to-voting.asp

"20 states now require some form of identification, but Georgia and South Carolina will be the most restrictive, forcing voters to fill out a provisional ballot if they have no picture ID -- a form of voting more easily challenged and disqualified. Florida, Hawaii, Louisiana and South Dakota also require photo ID, but allow voters to sign an affidavit verifying their voter information as an alternative."

Clearly there are many many more examples of dead people voting and people arriving at the polls to discover that they have already voted than there are people who don't have a photo ID AND could not fill out a form if they did not have one.

So if this adds up correctly Senetor Obama's most important civil rights issue is a virtually non-existent problem of obstacles to voting.

In general when I read his speeches or hear about what he wants to do to make changes in our country I find that he is talking about non-issues. I see him primarily wanting to make real changes to make a more powerful federal government in response to unreal problems.

Excellent. All chatter about "civil rights" nowadays is tiresome gum flapping, since liberals have practically erased the bill of rights.

[BigRob]

Excellent. All chatter about "civil rights" nowadays is tiresome gum flapping, since liberals have practically erased the bill of rights.

Obama's tax plan is pathetic as well.

He will raise capital gains taxes. That will effect millions of middle class Americans as their pensions are tied up in the stock market. Further, historically speaking, the higher the Capital Gains rate, the lower the revenue that comes in from it.

Further, Obama's plan to tax windfall profits on oil companies is a disaster as well. It is the same as saying "Yes Exxon, you take all of the risk by drilling, and should you hit and make a good profit, we will take it."

And this idea that our world image and influence will improve by leaving Iraq is a joke. We will never maintain a good image with extremists in the Middle East, but there are many moderate Arab nations who would view a pull out of Iraq as the United States abandoning them and our promises. This would lead to a lack of influence in the most important part of the world when we need it most.

[pocketfullofshells]

If Obama was truly concerned about the voter, he would have done everything in his power to be sure that Michigan and Florida were counted fully, way back when they mattered. I hear now that they don’t matter he is fighting to get them to count fully.

If someone says I can not vote because I do not have photo ID, I would ask them how you got registered to vote in the first place without photo ID (unless you live in Oregon, where voter fraud is abundant and no one needs to show any ID of any kind to register to vote by mail.)

How many times do we have to say this, its the Damn partys rules, the state parties did not follow the rules, the election was handled based on DNC Rules, and everyone agreed to them. But you wanted Clinton so you cry like Obama cheated by following the same damn rules.

[GenSeneca]

You have earned my respect and so your wish is my command.

I'm flattered and Honored, thank you Dr. Who :)

"End Deceptive Voting Practices
Obama will sign into law his legislation that establishes harsh penalties for those who have engaged in voter fraud..."

Dr. Who, I give to you the Holy Grail of quotes for this issue, made by Barack Obama himself on the floor of our Senate:

"...there's been no showing that there's any significant problem with voter fraud in the 50 states." --Sen. Barack Obama

Its on public record ON HIS senatorial website, for those who feel I have taken him out of context - or otherwise misrepresented his statement, Please feel free to read his entire address to the President of the Senate - HERE (http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060524-senator_obamas_4/) -

Now pick your jaw up off the floor while I move onto the second part of the quote from: "End Deceptive Voting Practices"

"...and provides voters who have been misinformed with accurate and full information so they can vote."

Raise your hand if you know what "misinformed" is a reference to.... Anybody... Anybody at all? Turns out, Obama thinks = America = should print all its government related information - especially voting ballots - in Spanish as well as English.

For those who don't know, LEGAL immigrants have to learn BASIC English and many of them know the basics before they even arrive on our soil. Who would need a ballot in Spanish??

"...shouldn't we make sure non-citizens aren't casting ballots to change the outcome of elections?" --Obama

Its important to note Obama has always been, just as all the Democrats, against legislation that requires voters to show ID to vote:

"There certainly is no showing that non-citizens are rushing to try to vote: this is a solution in search of a problem."--Obama

With an UNKNOWN number of ILLEGAL immigrants living inside the United States, guesstimated between 12 and 20 million, Obama's against them proving citizenship to vote - and to make things easy for them - will print our Election ballots in Spanish. Viva la Mexico Mr. Obama.

[Libsmasher]

How many times do we have to say this, its the Damn partys rules, the state parties did not follow the rules, the election was handled based on DNC Rules, and everyone agreed to them. But you wanted Clinton so you cry like Obama cheated by following the same damn rules.

Penalizing the democrat rank and file in those states for what the state party leaders did remains stupid. The DNC's "solution" probably added insult to injury, and republicans now probably have a good chance to take both states. A tip o' the GOP hat to Screamin' Howie Deane. :D

[BigRob]

I'm flattered and Honored, thank you Dr. Who :)



Dr. Who, I give to you the Holy Grail of quotes for this issue, made by Barack Obama himself on the floor of our Senate:

"...there's been no showing that there's any significant problem with voter fraud in the 50 states." --Sen. Barack Obama

Its on public record ON HIS senatorial website, for those who feel I have taken him out of context - or otherwise misrepresented his statement, Please feel free to read his entire address to the President of the Senate - HERE (http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060524-senator_obamas_4/) -

Now pick your jaw up off the floor while I move onto the second part of the quote from: "End Deceptive Voting Practices"



Raise your hand if you know what "misinformed" is a reference to.... Anybody... Anybody at all? Turns out, Obama thinks = America = should print all its government related information - especially voting ballots - in Spanish as well as English.

For those who don't know, LEGAL immigrants have to learn BASIC English and many of them know the basics before they even arrive on our soil. Who would need a ballot in Spanish??

"...shouldn't we make sure non-citizens aren't casting ballots to change the outcome of elections?" --Obama

Its important to note Obama has always been, just as all the Democrats, against legislation that requires voters to show ID to vote:

"There certainly is no showing that non-citizens are rushing to try to vote: this is a solution in search of a problem."--Obama

With an UNKNOWN number of ILLEGAL immigrants living inside the United States, guesstimated between 12 and 20 million, Obama's against them proving citizenship to vote - and to make things easy for them - will print our Election ballots in Spanish. Viva la Mexico Mr. Obama.

Obama also includes these estimated illegals when he speaks about people in American with no healthcare by the way.

[NO Obamanation]

How many times do we have to say this, its the Damn partys rules, the state parties did not follow the rules, the election was handled based on DNC Rules, and everyone agreed to them. But you wanted Clinton so you cry like Obama cheated by following the same damn rules.

Did you read my post?

My point was NOT that the two states went early and were being punished.


My point WAS that while it was not politically to Obama’s advantage he fought good and hard to keep them from being seated at all, and when he finally caved it was for half of Florida and Michigan’s delegates to be seated. Then he took everyone’s votes but Hillary’s in Michigan and then stole 4 of hers. All the time, insisting these are the rules and we must go by them.


BUT now that he has the delegates needed he is assuring both states that he will have them seated in full, because now it is to Obama’s political advantage to not piss off both states whose voters are suggesting either keeping Obama off of the ballot or giving him half a vote.


Why was it so important to follow the dirty DNC rules before but now that it can not hurt him he wants to break the DNC rules?

Any way, it does not matter. I am glad the votes will count in full.

This thread is good, and this post is getting it off topic.

[NO Obamanation]

Some times when Obama is asked how he will pay for his plans he says we can use the money currently being spent in Iraq.

But other times he says we can not afford to borrow this money from China to fund the war because our children and their children will have to pay for it.

I can not tell for sure if he is saying we should stop borrowing the money or if the borrowing is ok as long as it goes to another program.

He has given mixed answers from what I have seen. Does anyone know for sure how he plans to pay for his 1 trillion dollars in new spending budget?

[BigRob]

Does anyone know for sure how he plans to pay for his 1 trillion dollars in new spending budget?

Higher taxes.

[NO Obamanation]

Higher taxes.

Well that is a given, but I mean 1 trillion dollars in new spending, he will need to do more than raise taxes.

He has said he will use the Iraq war money we borrow from China in some interviews, and said we will stop borrowing money from China because its causing our kids to have a bill they can never pay off in other interviews.

Has he decided yet what one will be his policy? Does any one know ?

[GenSeneca]

I wonder if Obama will be soft on "Big Tobacco"...

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Ok, cheapshot but thats a great pic!
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I'd be glad to take on any more of Obama's issues, just pick one and I'll be glad to take it from there! :)

[Dr.Who]

Dr. Who, I give to you the Holy Grail of quotes for this issue, made by Barack Obama himself on the floor of our Senate:

"...there's been no showing that there's any significant problem with voter fraud in the 50 states." --Sen. Barack Obama

Its on public record ON HIS senatorial website, for those who feel I have taken him out of context - or otherwise misrepresented his statement, Please feel free to read his entire address to the President of the Senate - HERE (http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060524-senator_obamas_4/) -

Now pick your jaw up off the floor while I move onto the second part of the quote from: "End Deceptive Voting Practices"





That's ripe. I mean that is the best quote yet. Even Sen Obama doesn't think what is says is serious is serious. Has he addressed a significant issue yet in all of his talking?

[pocketfullofshells]

If Obama was truly concerned about the voter, he would have done everything in his power to be sure that Michigan and Florida were counted fully, way back when they mattered. I hear now that they don’t matter he is fighting to get them to count fully.

If someone says I can not vote because I do not have photo ID, I would ask them how you got registered to vote in the first place without photo ID (unless you live in Oregon, where voter fraud is abundant and no one needs to show any ID of any kind to register to vote by mail.)


The State Parties Broke the Rules, the Party Followed the Rules. Get over it. There is a reason there are those rules in place, and evryone knew the Rules. FLorida and Michigan did not follow the rules, so where punished, as stated in the rules. For Michigan to haev been fair, you would have all there votes count? realy becuse there was not Election there, there was a vote For CLinton or nothing. Obama was not even on the Ballot. If the party let all off there votes count you know what happens next time? All the other states move up even more, and you can't punish them.....so the next time they move up even more Becuause they all want to be first.

They are Rules for the party, not suggested guidlines.
DO those simple facts not sink in for you? That he followed the rules set up by all sides, and agreed to. If you are mad, to talk to the State parties who violated the rules, quit crying for CLinton. YOu know non of the others who ran seem to have any problem with it, nor did she, till she wanted the votes so she could win.

And you would call that fair, to change the rules after the fact so your person wins.And that somehow the voters got a Fair Vote....not having evryone even on the Ballot.

[crampy]

There are so many issues with Obama that it is hard to figure out where to begin. So, here is an article that I found that points some of them out:

http://hypocrisy.com/2008/06/08/obama-decree-of-unilaterally-disarmament-alarms-allies-and-encourages-enemies/

[BigRob]

This is encouraging.

Barack bounce evaporating now leads McCain by just 3%.

A bristling Barack went ballistic Tuesday after a McCain aide called him out on his key weakness of inexperience and tied it to another vulnerability of being soft on terror and completely green about military and foreign policy matters. Obama was clearly upset at being accused of having a September 10 mentality.

Obama succumbed to a McCain challenge to visit Iraq and Afghanistan and meet with military to find out first hand. but has dodged McCain’s town hall meeting dare.

According to a Rasmussen Poll released at 12Noon Wednesday EST the Barack bounce is evaporating and he leads McCain by only 3%. Both Obama and McCain are viewed favorably by 55% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 43%. Obama is more conflicted. Opinions are held more strongly about Obama–31% have a Very Favorable opinion of the Democratic hopeful while 26% hold a Very Unfavorable opinion. For McCain, those numbers are 17% Very Favorable and 19% Very Unfavorable. Seventy-seven percent of voters see significant differences between McCain and Obama.

[Sihouette]

Obama exterminates minority progressive competitors (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story)

"The day after New Year's 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.

There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.

Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer."

A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights.

"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

Imagine, cutthroating a candidate who didn't even pose a threat to him..

His reply when questioned about his political brutality:

""I gave some thought to … should people be on the ballot even if they didn't meet the requirements," he said. "My conclusion was that if you couldn't run a successful petition drive, then that raised questions in terms of how effective a representative you were going to be."

Asked whether the district's primary voters were well-served by having only one candidate, Obama smiled and said: "I think they ended up with a very good state senator."~ Barack Obama.


Yeah, his opinion of course. And whether or not it was a matter of the voters' choices...

Ohhhhhh....yeahhhhhh. Let's get Mr. Obama in office. Now there's a scary thought..:eek:

[Cookie Parker]

If Obama was truly concerned about the voter, he would have done everything in his power to be sure that Michigan and Florida were counted fully, way back when they mattered. I hear now that they don’t matter he is fighting to get them to count fully.

If someone says I can not vote because I do not have photo ID, I would ask them how you got registered to vote in the first place without photo ID (unless you live in Oregon, where voter fraud is abundant and no one needs to show any ID of any kind to register to vote by mail.)

The republicans controlled Congress...how was a man, democrat, going to do ANYTHING against the voter fraud in the states? Sides, isn't that a state issue?

[Cookie Parker]

Let's really look at Obama from facts and not white man fears, shall we?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

Plan to Strengthen the Economy

“I believe that America's free market has been the engine of America's great progress. It's created a prosperity that is the envy of the world. It's led to a standard of living unmatched in history. And it has provided great rewards to the innovators and risk-takers who have made America a beacon for science, and technology, and discovery…We are all in this together. From CEOs to shareholders, from financiers to factory workers, we all have a stake in each other's success because the more Americans prosper, the more America prospers.”

— Barack Obama, New York, NY, September 17, 2007

At a Glance

* Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
* Trade
* Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
* Labor
* Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
* Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
* Reform Bankruptcy Laws
* Work/Family Balance





Be sure to read it...it's very refreshing and something we have not heard a lot of for at least 8 years....PRO-AMERICAN FAMILIES!!!

wOW...Pretty pro-American to me...how refreshing for a change...

[BigRob]

The republicans controlled Congress...how was a man, democrat, going to do ANYTHING against the voter fraud in the states? Sides, isn't that a state issue?

What was meant by that statement was the Florida and Michigan primaries. A republican congress has nothing to do with what the DNC does.

[BigRob]

Let's really look at Obama from facts and not white man fears, shall we?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/



Be sure to read it...it's very refreshing and something we have not heard a lot of for at least 8 years....PRO-AMERICAN FAMILIES!!!

wOW...Pretty pro-American to me...how refreshing for a change...

Socialism here we come. Btw all of his plans to enact these "great' policies are terrible and not thought out.

I mean he is going to protect people from credit card companies? I suppose this means he feels that the average US citizen is to stupid to be able to handle their own finances?

[Sihouette]

Yes, Obama's childlike wishful thinking pitted against his inexperience is alarming.

But the most disturbing thing I've unearthed about him was his extermination of those four candidates in Illinois. It is a point he cannot smooth-talk his way out of, explain or justify other than ruthless no-prisoners politics.

And even that isn't as horrible as when you add in that he prances around so blatantly stealing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s persona, a man who championed the downtrodden minorities...Obama himself having risen to power on the pummeled dreams of downtrodden minorities that he himself trounced ruthlessly!

He cannot wiggle his way out of that and they're going to pin him to the wall over and over with that one. And flatly, there is nothing he can do to explain to most of his supporters as to his hypocrisy. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch... He is guilty as hell and loyal only to himself and no one else.

[jUris]

"Change" is just a word either candidate would constitute a change. For example we are all part in our families, yet we all do not have share the same beliefs nor are we identically same. McCain was a democrat not so long ago. Another great example is when we need someone with true experience due we reach out for someone whom we know nothing about or how they work? We should want the best experienced person to do the job. Looking at their most recent speeches in pollclash (http://pollclash.com), what do you think about what you hear?

[GenSeneca]

Let's really look at Obama from facts and not white man fears, shall we?
Right out of the box we're a bunch of racists if we disagree... This is what the "Politics of Change" is really all about, silencing opposition.

From his platform you listed:

Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families
Frontloading the taxes even further.

completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans
The top 50% already pay 97% of our taxes.

Fight for Fair Trade:
No specifics can be found.

fix NAFTA
Specifically fix what?

creating flexible education accounts
Spending

double federal funding for basic research
Spending

research and development tax credit permanent
Oddly enough, he calls such credits "Tax Loopholes" elsewhere.

Obama will also make long-term investments in education, training, and workforce development
OMG, How come nobody thought of this before? Oh, we've done this for decades.

The Obama comprehensive energy independence and climate change plan will invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world. Obama will also provide assistance to the domestic auto industry to ensure that new fuel-efficient vehicles are built by American workers.
His energy plan is based on creating something that doesn't currently exist and he's confident that, once created, it will be in high demand throughout the world. Do you supporters really accept this as a legitimate plan?

The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs
Spending
Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program
Spending
Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: new tax and loan incentives
Government regulation
Invest in Rural Areas: Obama will invest in rural small businesses and fight to expand high-speed Internet access. He will improve rural schools and attract more doctors to rural areas.
Spending and wishing
He will fight for passage of the Employee Free Choice Act.
Eliminating an employees right to privacy... providing the Unions with information on who voted against Unionizing, so those employees can be endlessly harassed into voting for unionization. Unions are one of Obama's biggest special interests... But those don't count as special interests to Obama.
Obama will also increase the minimum wage and index it to inflation to ensure it rises every year.
Increase it by how much? Or don't you supporters ask such questions... One penny is an increase. He could also make the minimum wage a "Living Wage" and put millions of workers out of a job and thousands of small businesses out of business.
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Tax-N-Spend Liberal. The politics of change is a smokescreen, he and his supporters hide inside the purple haze and yell racist at those who don't inhale.

[Sihouette]

You know, more than the smooth-talking hypocrite Obama, I've been thinking more about his base, his supporters lately. They're a funny bunch. I have been "warned" by many of them to fall in line with Obama, called names, banned from a forum for daring to speak pro-Clinton. After doing an email campaign to encourage people to look at the merits of the candidates instead of their gender or racial backgrounds I actually got a threat from one woman saying to the effect, "We know how to shut you down. We mean business."

Statistically, Obama supporters are young, under 30, idealistic and frankly a bit immature. They rightly sense that all is not right with the world and in a blind panic they have decided that the best solution to radical problems is a radical solution in the opposite direction. They don't see that radical is the problem, on either end of the spectrum.

Obama knows this and exploits it without any actual ability, nor qualifications to deliver on practical solutions. Practicality simply doesn't matter in the Obama-cult phenomenon. He knows they're coming from a point of fear and when people are afraid, they don't think so good. Add to that youth and inexperience and you have a recipe for a cult of personality. So it's no suprise how Obama can chant buzzwords to them and they latch on without questioning him. They seem to be like culties rather than sober and reflective voters. I get the feeling that he could say "We will soon be mining swiss chees on the blue moon." and if he worded it right and inserted a couple of well-timed "hope"s and "change"s in the dialogue, they would start packing for outer space.

They are so blind to reality that minorities line up behind Obama, even while they have heard of what Obama did to fellow minorities in Chicago when he ran for Senate. He even exterminated one fellow progressive minority who didn't even pose a threat to him in the polls. He danced on their heads and in utter shame he brazenly dares to borrow his singsong persona from an actual champion for minorities and true hero Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Obama is a man who, while simultaneously and ruthlessly clearcutting his minority competition from ballots, dared to run (unopposed) on a campaign under the platform of...get ready...take your Pepto Bismol...standing up for oppressed minorities... *urp*..

If hypocrisy was an artform, Obama would rival Picasso. He contorts facts, assumes identities and twists the ears, minds and eyes of his onlookers until they see something beautiful without question. And they defend him without hesitation. He represents to them a quick fix; not realizing that he, and politicians like him, are the very problem that needs fixing.

He runs now on a platform of change. And like his previous platform of standing for minorities (while he smashed their political heads on a rock), the word "change" in Obamaspeak is a codeword for "exactly the same as always".

"But he's so young and he looks so strong and handsome and he knows just how to speak to our hearts and minds. He swears he's all about change and he has my full support."

Sounds like me when I was in my 20s talking about a guy I met who I found out later was a player..

Ironic.

[GenSeneca]

"[T]here is no magic wand to wave right now." -Bush (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/30/bushs-magic-wand-and-its-legacy-of-low-expectations/)

"[T]here’s no magic wand here that can be waved.." - McCain (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/04/06/mccain-says-no-magic-wand-for-bear-stearns-economy/)

"I wish we could wave a magic wand.." - Obama (http://www.politickernv.com/jkcooper/1939/obama-touts-clean-energy-jobs-plan-las-vegas-trip)

I wish there would have been someone other than McCain on my ballot...

[NO Obamanation]

"[T]here is no magic wand to wave right now." -Bush (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/30/bushs-magic-wand-and-its-legacy-of-low-expectations/)

"[T]here’s no magic wand here that can be waved.." - McCain (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/04/06/mccain-says-no-magic-wand-for-bear-stearns-economy/)

"I wish we could wave a magic wand.." - Obama (http://www.politickernv.com/jkcooper/1939/obama-touts-clean-energy-jobs-plan-las-vegas-trip)

I wish there would have been someone other than McCain on my ballot...

Was Ron Paul on the ballot?

[Dr.Who]

"[T]here is no magic wand to wave right now." -Bush (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/30/bushs-magic-wand-and-its-legacy-of-low-expectations/)

Realistic.

"[T]here’s no magic wand here that can be waved.." - McCain (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/04/06/mccain-says-no-magic-wand-for-bear-stearns-economy/)

Realistic.


"I wish we could wave a magic wand.." - Obama (http://www.politickernv.com/jkcooper/1939/obama-touts-clean-energy-jobs-plan-las-vegas-trip)

Full of hope but not realistic.

[GenSeneca]

I need your help to take on John McCain, the Republican National Committee, and the shady so-called 527 groups that are dedicated to attacking this campaign using millions of dollars in unregulated contributions. - Obama

What about Obama's "so-called" 527 groups, dedicated to attacking the McCain campaign, using millions of dollars in unregulated contributions?

Oh, they don't count because their on his side.....

Obama says he doesn't accept money from special interests.... Apparently, only groups Obama opposes count as special interest.
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Thought this was funny:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/2/p/1/obamas_flag_pin.jpg

[NO Obamanation]

What about Obama's "so-called" 527 groups, dedicated to attacking the McCain campaign, using millions of dollars in unregulated contributions?

Oh, they don't count because their on his side.....

Obama says he doesn't accept money from special interests.... Apparently, only groups Obama opposes count as special interest.
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Thought this was funny:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/2/p/1/obamas_flag_pin.jpg

that is so cute~!

[GenSeneca]

Right out of the box we're a bunch of racists if we disagree... This is what the "Politics of Change" is really all about, silencing opposition.

From his platform you listed:

Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families
Frontloading the taxes even further.

completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans
The top 50% already pay 97% of our taxes.

Fight for Fair Trade:
No specifics can be found.

fix NAFTA
Specifically fix what?

creating flexible education accounts
Spending

double federal funding for basic research
Spending

research and development tax credit permanent
Oddly enough, he calls such credits "Tax Loopholes" elsewhere.

Obama will also make long-term investments in education, training, and workforce development
OMG, How come nobody thought of this before? Oh, we've done this for decades.

The Obama comprehensive energy independence and climate change plan will invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world. Obama will also provide assistance to the domestic auto industry to ensure that new fuel-efficient vehicles are built by American workers.
His energy plan is based on creating something that doesn't currently exist and he's confident that, once created, it will be in high demand throughout the world. Do you supporters really accept this as a legitimate plan?

The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs
Spending
Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program
Spending
Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: new tax and loan incentives
Government regulation
Invest in Rural Areas: Obama will invest in rural small businesses and fight to expand high-speed Internet access. He will improve rural schools and attract more doctors to rural areas.
Spending and wishing
He will fight for passage of the Employee Free Choice Act.
Eliminating an employees right to privacy... providing the Unions with information on who voted against Unionizing, so those employees can be endlessly harassed into voting for unionization. Unions are one of Obama's biggest special interests... But those don't count as special interests to Obama.
Obama will also increase the minimum wage and index it to inflation to ensure it rises every year.
Increase it by how much? Or don't you supporters ask such questions... One penny is an increase. He could also make the minimum wage a "Living Wage" and put millions of workers out of a job and thousands of small businesses out of business.
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Tax-N-Spend Liberal. The politics of change is a smokescreen, he and his supporters hide inside the purple haze and yell racist at those who don't inhale.

Quoted For Truth... tee hee :D

Still an open invitation for any Obama supporters out there who wanna talk policy... We see in one of the threads that Obama supporters are "enthusiastic" about their candidate, I'm hoping theres at least one thats enthusiastic about his policies and willing to discuss the impact of adopting his policy suggestions.

[UShadItComing]

What about Obama's "so-called" 527 groups, dedicated to attacking the McCain campaign, using millions of dollars in unregulated contributions?

Oh, they don't count because their on his side.....

Obama says he doesn't accept money from special interests.... Apparently, only groups Obama opposes count as special interest.
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Thought this was funny:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/2/p/1/obamas_flag_pin.jpg

Excellent Gensen! I bet especially the big lips on Obama were funny for you! For a white American man he shore is one funny looking boy!

[GenSeneca]

Excellent Gensen! I bet especially the big lips on Obama were funny for you! For a white American man he shore is one funny looking boy!

http://www.bloomcounty.org/~megan/misc/pancake_bunny.jpg
Sad really... Nobody that supports Obama has anything of Substance to add to the discussion, just the typical clap trap.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/obama_poster_crybaby.gif

[NO Obamanation]

http://www.bloomcounty.org/~megan/misc/pancake_bunny.jpg
Sad really... Nobody that supports Obama has anything of Substance to add to the discussion, just the typical clap trap.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/obama_poster_crybaby.gif

oh thank you for the new picture for my collection. This one would make a great shirt!

[GenSeneca]

oh thank you for the new picture for my collection. This one would make a great shirt!

I checked out your album, some good ones in there! I didn't even realize we could create our own user albums till yesterday... So I uploaded a few (http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/album.php?albumid=5). :)

The People Cube (http://thepeoplescube.com/) actually sells that pic as a shirt... and many other great ones!

[NO Obamanation]

I checked out your album, some good ones in there! I didn't even realize we could create our own user albums till yesterday... So I uploaded a few (http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/album.php?albumid=5). :)

The People Cube (http://thepeoplescube.com/) actually sells that pic as a shirt... and many other great ones!

OH I REALLY LOVE ONE OF YOURS. The ticking bomb with the saying Socialism, just give it time. Its so true.... I like that :)

My fav of mine is the girl holding the heart shaped box. I think of that every time I have to meet a new Obama bot.

[GenSeneca]

OH I REALLY LOVE ONE OF YOURS. The ticking bomb with the saying Socialism, just give it time. Its so true.... I like that :)

My fav of mine is the girl holding the heart shaped box. I think of that every time I have to meet a new Obama bot.

:) I think thats the best of them:

http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=5&pictureid=24

I had no idea what your Avatar was until I saw the picture in your gallery, now your avatar makes sense! :D

[NO Obamanation]

:) I think thats the best of them:

http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=5&pictureid=24

I had no idea what your Avatar was until I saw the picture in your gallery, now your avatar makes sense! :D

It used to be the Obama snob... But everyone kept calling me a guy. So I changed it to the girl but people still think I am a guy so I gave up.

I got a t shirt to wear for next school year of Obama and his snobby look. I will be hated more than usual come September :) And I am looking forward to it!

[jtzilla]

Obama is just a stupid lib who will lose and then we will hear them cry like babies for another four years

[GenSeneca]

Obama's source of funding... it comes from the little guy, right? He's not in the hip pocket of any special interests... like say, lawyers, investment bankers, hedge fund advisers etc....

But records show that one-third of his record-breaking haul has come from donations of $1,000 or more: a total of $112 million (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/politics/06bundlers.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp)
33% from a professional team of Democrat bundlers.

Behind those larger donations is a phalanx of more than 500 Obama “bundlers,” fund-raisers who have each collected contributions totaling $50,000 or more. Many of the bundlers come from industries with critical interests in Washington. Nearly three dozen of the bundlers have raised more than $500,000 each, including more than a half-dozen who have passed the $1 million mark and one or two who have exceeded $2 million, according to interviews with fund-raisers. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/politics/06bundlers.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp)
These are professional fund raisers, no wonder he went back on his word and opted out of spending limits.

Given his decision not to accept public financing, Mr. Obama is counting on his bundlers to help him raise $300 million for his general-election campaign and another $180 million for the Democratic National Committee. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/politics/06bundlers.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp)
Lets hear about who's looking to gain political clout in Washington by endorsing Obama:

An analysis of campaign finance records shows that about two-thirds of his bundlers are concentrated in four major industries: law, securities and investments, real estate and entertainment. Lawyers make up the largest group, numbering roughly 130, with many of them working for firms that also have lobbying arms. At least 100 Obama bundlers are top executives or brokers from investment businesses: nearly two dozen work for financial titans like Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs or Citigroup. About 40 others come from the real estate industry.
(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/politics/06bundlers.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp)
Funny how Obama refuses to agree with tort reform that would limit the power of lawyers in court. Lawsuits and settlements are a HUGE part of our expensive healthcare system but don't look for Obama to shut his buddies out of that cookie jar.

The Obama fund-raising operation is meticulously organized. Bundlers are assigned tracking numbers, and the finance staff sends them quarterly reminders of how they are doing in meeting their goals. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/politics/06bundlers.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp)
If there is one thing Democrats EXCEL at, its collecting money.

[NO Obamanation]

Obama's source of funding... it comes from the little guy, right? He's not in the hip pocket of any special interests... like say, lawyers, investment bankers, hedge fund advisers etc....


33% from a professional team of Democrat bundlers.


These are professional fund raisers, no wonder he went back on his word and opted out of spending limits.


Lets hear about who's looking to gain political clout in Washington by endorsing Obama:


Funny how Obama refuses to agree with tort reform that would limit the power of lawyers in court. Lawsuits and settlements are a HUGE part of our expensive healthcare system but don't look for Obama to shut his buddies out of that cookie jar.


If there is one thing Democrats EXCEL at, its collecting money.

he said in one of his speeches this summer the av. donation was under 20 dollars or something like that. really grass roots.

[Aus22]

Perhaps Albama gets more money because he is more popular. A New york Times Article today said there are more Democrats registering espwcially among the young.

[NO Obamanation]

Perhaps Albama gets more money because he is more popular. A New york Times Article today said there are more Democrats registering espwcially among the young.

There is no question, Obama can pack a house. Girls will faint in the oddest months. They fainted all through march, april and may...but when the weather got hot in june july, they stopped fainting. I supose a messiah like him can control the weather.....

He is the ONE !

[Mr.Dysfunctional]

Really this is just comical seeing this post tear new holes in Obama's politcal platform. I for one used to support Obama when I first saw him enter the stage nearly a year ago. Excited for the same reasons listed By Gen. Young and fearful of my ever growing knowledge of the pure cooruption of our system. However I do love fear in couragous and intelligent people..It almost requires them to fully understand the situation and come to gripes with what is factual and what is fantasy. Like gaining knowledge that the boogieman doesn't exsist. So like so many others the hope that Obama has inspired in me has turned me against him. Personally I feel more sad that this did not happen sooner... and or everyone else for that matter... maybe then People like Ron Paul would still be in the running.

[Mr.Dysfunctional]

BTW I think you two should stop down in the Thread "Ithink I have decided on who to vote for president" just one down from this and have your way with the would be Obama supporters there... Im seriously considering moving the first quote from Dr.Who and pasting them up to see how many people call me a white honky before the end of it!!! :eek:

[NO Obamanation]

BTW I think you two should stop down in the Thread "Ithink I have decided on who to vote for president" just one down from this and have your way with the would be Obama supporters there... Im seriously considering moving the first quote from Dr.Who and pasting them up to see how many people call me a white honky before the end of it!!! :eek:

Be fully prepared to be called a racist. I am really shocked at how many times I have been called one or eluded to be one. I have faught racism my whole life and oddly enough for Blacks more than any other group, though my ethnic background is something else.

I was just posting in priv that I had hoped some people would wake up. I got my wish, someone did :)

Yes if all the crap about Obama came out before there would be differnt choices for sure, mabye even on the republican side. I am sort of disgruntled in my two choices, really my one choice because there is no way I could vote for Obama and his skin color has nothing to do with it.

by the way, welcome to the forums

[GenSeneca]

BTW I think you two should stop down in the Thread "Ithink I have decided on who to vote for president" just one down from this and have your way with the would be Obama supporters there... Im seriously considering moving the first quote from Dr.Who and pasting them up to see how many people call me a white honky before the end of it!!! :eek:

If you read closely, you'll see there is .02% doubt in his mind. Once VP's are chosen and the debates happen, that doubt will either disappear or grow. I can understand the reasons for supporting Obama but I don't think any of them are more than wishful thinking. The guy has had a total of 148 days in Congress, he is a media creation and as Obama said in one of his books:

Undoubtedbly, some of these views will get me in trouble, I am new enough on the national political screen that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripe project their own views. As such I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them. Which perhaps indicates a second, more intimate theme to this book - namely how I or anybody else in public office, can avoid the pitfalls of fame, the hunger to please, the fear of loss, and thereby retain that kernel of truth, that singular voice within each of us that reminds us of our deepest commitments.

His supporters don't have the SLIGHTEST clue as to what this man plans to do as POTUS, as demonstrated by their complete lack of understanding and inability to defend Obama's political platform.

Does it bother anyone that Obama states that he is bound to disappoint some, if not ALL who support him? But hey, he gives them that warm fuzzy feeling for now... its coming down from the Cool Aid buzz thats gonna be a bummer.

[Sihouette]

We don't agree on much GenSeneca, but on that we can agree.

But then again, we both know Obama won't make it that far. The conservatives are gearing up to finally release the Sinclair story mainstream. Just after Denver the American Public will be sitting in their living rooms with their jaws on the ground. And we democrats will be out of the running.

I think from now on we should just discuss the future with McCain as our assured president and what that will mean. I think we should give up any ideas of winning in the Fall and instead just concentrate on Congress.

The DNC will sacrafice a democratic win this Fall on the altar of not looking racist. So effective has that card been played, and played to the hilt by -Raised-In-A-Priveledged-White-Home-In-Hawaii-And-Exterminated-Fellow-Minorities-In-Chicago-To-Run-Unopposed, that superdelegates are cowering in fear of being labelled racist. Little do their quivering and politically-correct hearts know that Obama will sacrafice their special interests on a moment's notice if that's the way the current wind is blowing.

But hey, at least the DNC won't appear racist.. And in this critical election, that's all that matters...

All hail King...um..."President" McCain.

[GenSeneca]

The conservatives are gearing up to finally release the Sinclair story mainstream.

Conservatives are not the same thing as Republicans but people not on the right don't tend to notice the extreme differences between the two.

As for the Sinclair story, the Left has done, and is doing, such a good job of painting McCain as the Anti-Christ that the Sinclair story - if found to be true - would have a miniscule affect on the Obama campaign. He's just too popular and McCain is an evil, corporatist war monger, so Obamaphiles would still prefer a gay, crack smoker with personality over him.

[Sihouette]

the Sinclair story - if found to be true - would have a miniscule affect on the Obama campaign. He's just too popular and McCain is an evil, corporatist war monger, so Obamaphiles would still prefer a gay, crack smoker with personality over him.~GenSeneca
Let's assume that what you're saying is true, that the left, consisting in no small part of gay or gay-sympathizers and minorities and young people, would somehow forgive Obama if it was found he left a trail of murdered young gay black people in his wake to climb to the nomination...

For now we'll assume you're right about that...:rolleyes:

Maybe you've forgotten that Obama is battling to recover the overwhelming preponderance of votes still up for grab in the center? Those will be out the friggin' window my friend. A convenient little detail you left out..:cool:

And of course, predictably, Obama will lose.

You know he has no chance. Continuing to use selective-semantics like you just did to deflect the untrained eye is undermining your credibility very badly. It's making you look like what you are: a GOP spindoctor who is twisting words and using selective information to portray the image that Obama still has a fighting chance when you know for a fact the Sinclair story has teeth and will be released by your fellow party members just after the convention to bury any hopes democrats have of realizing a win in the Fall.

You see, this is a new generation of democrats who know BS when they see it. We know your real and feared enemy is Hillary Clinton and that you mean to use any means necessary to see that you not face her on the ballot in November.

The GOP/Obama Trap

[GenSeneca]

votes still up for grab in the center?

I'm not sure why I bother but here goes...

McCain=Bush in the minds of "Swing Voters"
Obama=Change in the minds of "Swing Voters"

So no matter what comes out about Obama, I don't think it will have a significant impact. People HATE Bush, they think he's BFF with McCain and McCain has many other faults that people can look past in Obama but freak out about with McCain.

[top gun]

I'm not sure why I bother but here goes...

McCain=Bush in the minds of "Swing Voters"
Obama=Change in the minds of "Swing Voters"

So no matter what comes out about Obama, I don't think it will have a significant impact. People HATE Bush, they think he's BFF with McCain and McCain has many other faults that people can look past in Obama but freak out about with McCain.

I think you're right but not just in the minds but in the reality of things.

John McCain make no bones about it anymore. He sold his year 2000 soul and in 2008 is 100% a Bush disciple. And on top of that he is "old politics" embodied! He's been doing his Keating five wheeling & dealing in Washington for what... 26 years or more. He's the kind of guy that admittedly dumps his wife for a newer model. And his mindset is that of an old man not someone looking to a great new future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFhakR_dork


Senator Obama is a change for the better with his reasoning and calm intelligent approach. Hey he's a Dad with little kids to think about. You have a smart guy... a Daddy... with the future of the world and his own little girls to think about. It's a great match for the screwed up times the Republicans have stuck us in. A little Hope & Change can go a long way right now!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qTD7geUCyM

[GenSeneca]

I think you're right but not just in the minds but in the reality of things.

John McCain make no bones about it anymore. He sold his year 2000 soul and in 2008 is 100% a Bush disciple. And on top of that he is "old politics" embodied! He's been doing his Keating five wheeling & dealing in Washington for what... 26 years or more. He's the kind of guy that admittedly dumps his wife for a newer model. And his mindset is that of an old man not someone looking to a great new future.


Senator Obama is a change for the better with his reasoning and calm intelligent approach. Hey he's a Dad with little kids to think about. You have a smart guy... a Daddy... with the future of the world and his own little girls to think about. It's a great match for the screwed up times the Republicans have stuck us in. A little Hope & Change can go a long way right now!




Top Gun, please answer this question:

Would you still vote for him if there was incontestable proof that Obama had Gay sex and smoked crack? I think you still would...

As for everything you said... Propaganda Works! You noted Keating 5 but failed to mention Tony Rezco. You have to ignore ALL the differences between McCain and Bush to think they are the McSame (McCain is closer to Obama than he is to Bush IMO). Then its hearsay and Ageism to finish your argument against McCain... Par for the course!

Obama, everything you said was the typical emotional appeal completely lacking in substance, again par for the course where Obama is concerned.

Shock me sometime and really discuss Obama's policies, show me that you understand what "Change" really is and what he's proposing. The copy and paste thing, and regurgitation of talking points, then cheerleading for Obama is not what I'm looking for... I've had plenty of that.

[GenSeneca]

Popeye,

Ready when you are...

[Mr.Dysfunctional]

Heres a question for you popeye.. why in the hell do I constantly have to keep suffering because everyone else is to lazy to get off their ass and WORK for what they want?
He will work to increase our number of science and engineering graduates, encourage undergraduates studying math and science to pursue graduate studies, and work to increase the representation of minorities and women in the science and technology pipeline, tapping the diversity of America to meet the increasing demand for a skilled workforce.

Why do I constantly have to keep hearing " minorities and women "
If they wanted something .. they would have WORKED for it... I can't help that I might be smarter then alot of the population... or that my skin is white.. and I got a dick between my legs. So why is it we constantly have to push this crap that some how they are under privledged ? I can give example upon example of women , blacks , mexicans who simply busted their hump .. and achieved greatness.
Do you think Oprah got a hand-out? DO you think George Washington Carver was given a P.H.D because people felt bad for him?

I thought this guy was about equality... not constantly telling me that because of being born white.. I am inheritly cursed to be pushed aside.

[Mr.Dysfunctional]

And another thing popeye

Why in the world is Obama avoiding the topic about nationalize language in our country.

You know the statement so I'm not even gonna comment...

I can litterally take you down blocks upon blocks upons blocks of my city streets.. where you would swear it was Mexico because every poster , every billboard and every shop is written in Spanish...

This is not just about a language barrier but a total change in culture.. and the last time i checked we were not headed to Mexico.. but they are headed here... so why do I have to be forced to literally live in Mexico?

and further more.. alot of jobs now require you to be bi-lingual.
Last time I checked.. when I go to Germany... no one makes provisions because I only speak english.

[UShadItComing]

And another thing popeye

Why in the world is Obama avoiding the topic about nationalize language in our country.

You know the statement so I'm not even gonna comment...

I can litterally take you down blocks upon blocks upons blocks of my city streets.. where you would swear it was Mexico because every poster , every billboard and every shop is written in Spanish...

This is not just about a language barrier but a total change in culture.. and the last time i checked we were not headed to Mexico.. but they are headed here... so why do I have to be forced to literally live in Mexico?

and further more.. alot of jobs now require you to be bi-lingual.
Last time I checked.. when I go to Germany... no one makes provisions because I only speak english.

Canada has two official languages dysfunc and we think it's good. You need to be more tolerant and accept that speaking american is not necessarily speaking English.

Why are you americans so worried about these things?

[Federal Farmer]

Well, I guess I'm the "odd ball" in the group (so what else is new), but I believe that "universal suffrage" is an egregious error.

Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, we need to initiate voting tests. Nothing wild or outrageous, just simple, basic Civics 101 type questions, as well as showing that you know who the people on the ballot are. Who is your Governor, who are your US Senators, who is your US Representative, who are your State Representatives, who is your State Senator, who is your Mayor/County Commissioner, how many Amedments are there in the Constitution, how many Articles are there in the Constitution, what Rights are protected by the First Amendment, etc.). Everyone would be given a "study guide" when they initially go to register to vote, and if they subsequently fail to pass the test, they're not allowed to vote, until such time as they can pass the test. Frankly, if you're too ignorant to have a basic comprehension and understanding of how your own government works, you have no business being ALLOWED to vote.

To me, it's long past time that we ended the ability of the sheeple to vote based on their desire for "bread and circuses", and demanded that they at least have some basic comprehension of the issues before they cast that vote.

[UShadItComing]

Well, I guess I'm the "odd ball" in the group (so what else is new), but I believe that "universal suffrage" is an egregious error.

Spoken like a true american dirt farmer.

[Dr.Who]

Well, I guess I'm the "odd ball" in the group (so what else is new), but I believe that "universal suffrage" is an egregious error.

Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, we need to initiate voting tests. Nothing wild or outrageous, just simple, basic Civics 101 type questions, as well as showing that you know who the people on the ballot are. Who is your Governor, who are your US Senators, who is your US Representative, who are your State Representatives, who is your State Senator, who is your Mayor/County Commissioner, how many Amedments are there in the Constitution, how many Articles are there in the Constitution, what Rights are protected by the First Amendment, etc.). Everyone would be given a "study guide" when they initially go to register to vote, and if they subsequently fail to pass the test, they're not allowed to vote, until such time as they can pass the test. Frankly, if you're too ignorant to have a basic comprehension and understanding of how your own government works, you have no business being ALLOWED to vote.

To me, it's long past time that we ended the ability of the sheeple to vote based on their desire for "bread and circuses", and demanded that they at least have some basic comprehension of the issues before they cast that vote.

We can't even make a voting test as simple as "you are who your ID says you are." Our government is incapable of creating a test that they would not use for political advantage.

What we need is a free and unbiased media. While the MSM does not qualify all the media together do.

What we need is to simply stop coddling people who are too stupid to show up on time or read english on the ballot, etc.

What we need is less apathy and more individuals to take an interest.

The first and the last of those three is about what we the people do. If we are going to keep our democracy then we need to take responsibility. Unsubscribe to poor newspapers, talk to your neighbors about "religion and politics". Write letters to your congressmen and vote etc.

[Federal Farmer]

We can't even make a voting test as simple as "you are who your ID says you are."

That's the States faults, and most are addressing it now that they've seen how many problems it causes.

Our government is incapable of creating a test that they would not use for political advantage.

They don't need to, I already did, and I'll be more than happy to forward it to them, AGAIN, if necessary.

What we need is a free and unbiased media. While the MSM does not qualify all the media together do.

Good luck with that one. We've NEVER had an "unbiased" media in this country.

What we need is to simply stop coddling people who are too stupid to show up on time or read english on the ballot, etc.

Exactly!

What we need is less apathy and more individuals to take an interest.

And under my plan, those who are apathetic and haven't taken an interest, wouldn't be allowed to pollute the system with their apathy and ignorance.

The first and the last of those three is about what we the people do. If we are going to keep our democracy then we need to take responsibility. Unsubscribe to poor newspapers, talk to your neighbors about "religion and politics". Write letters to your congressmen and vote etc.

Check, check, check, check, and check!

[Dr.Who]

Good luck with that one. We've NEVER had an "unbiased" media in this country.



Well we agree on so much. Yet, I do think that when one considers all the various media together we do get the whole story. Granted it takes work to read and attend to different accounts but that is just the way it is.

I particularly like it when someone says: You won't hear about this from the media but did you know... and then they quote some media source. Hey Joe's blog is a media source. It is even better when someone else comes along and posts the third page account that was in the msm - buried but there.