Write-In Hillary Clinton

[Sihouette]

I've been hearing a lot lately about a movement to have Obama and McCain defectors join the still-thriving throngs of Hillary Clinton supporters in a protest this Fall. It's called "Write-In Hillary Clinton."

To my knowledge she has nothing to do with it. It was spawned out of a growing fear that Clinton's landslide success with the primaries near the end signalled a turnabout in voter sentiment, despite Obama doing well in the initial primaries (I even voted for him and now want nothing to do with him). Concerned people from all walks of life think the choice between Obama, who will likely be shoved forward as the "official" democratic candidate, and his rival the Bush/Cheney/Big Oil stooge McCain, is no choice at all.

Write-In Hillary Clinton further represents the voices of the millions who feel disenfranchised, fearful and impotent to affect the outcome of elections, even in spite of Hillary winning the most primary votes in US History. She is our martyr and even if she herself came out and denounced this drive I and millions of others would still cast a write-in vote for her over Obama or McCain.

Let's face it. If we did elect her from our grassroots revolt, I doubt she would turn down the win.

At any rate it's our protest. It's our way of making our voices heard even when GOP/Big Media sexism, Obama's silent assent to same and hand-picked "super"delegates want to tie our mouths shut and order us to vote for their chronically hamstringed and patently unqualified candidate. I'm sick of being ordered around by suits and told I must be "loyal", fall in line or be cast out. :mad:

[Andy]

This is a great idea. Everyone should untie and write-in Hilliary Clinton! :D

[Sihouette]

OK. Good. It would be helpful if anyone is interested, to do a pyramid email. Just tell people why you think Hillary Clinton is the best one for the job. Remind them of nefarious things Obama has done, like exterminate his minority progressive running mates in the Chicago election and how McCain has ties to Big Oil through Bush/Cheney..

Things like that, a personal message and then ask them to do the same to 100 of their contacts and tell those contacts to do the same, etc.

This is how landslides are born.

[NO Obamanation]

OK. Good. It would be helpful if anyone is interested, to do a pyramid email. Just tell people why you think Hillary Clinton is the best one for the job. Remind them of nefarious things Obama has done, like exterminate his minority progressive running mates in the Chicago election and how McCain has ties to Big Oil through Bush/Cheney..

Things like that, a personal message and then ask them to do the same to 100 of their contacts and tell those contacts to do the same, etc.

This is how landslides are born.

I tell people if they are disgusted with Obama but can not stand the Idea of voting for McCain then write her name in.

But if they cant stand Obama and want to do what ever there is possible to stop him, then they have to vote for McCain.

It just depends on the person, many Hillary supporters do not want McCain but they dont want Obama more so they will vote McCain, some dont care so they write in her name.

To Conservatives the same thing, If you cant stand to vote for McCain then write in Bob Barr or something, but If you cant stand the idea of Obama more, then plug your nose and vote McCain.

[Popeye]

OK. Good. It would be helpful if anyone is interested, to do a pyramid email. Just tell people why you think Hillary Clinton is the best one for the job. Remind them of nefarious things Obama has done, like exterminate his minority progressive running mates in the Chicago election and how McCain has ties to Big Oil through Bush/Cheney..

Things like that, a personal message and then ask them to do the same to 100 of their contacts and tell those contacts to do the same, etc.

This is how landslides are born.

A landslide in favor of a write in candidate? Yeah, ok. Oh geez.

NEWFLASH: The wicked witch is dead (at least for this cycle)

It might be a good idea if you pulled yourself out of your denial and faced the facts....there are only 2 candidates that have a chance of being the next POTUS. Choose Obama, McCain or stay home but please stop whining.

[Andy]

Oh man... this could be bad. We had the issue that issue with the butterfly ballots... do you think they'll know how to write in Hilliary Clintin? Maybe we need to give intruction on how to do that. Maybe send out free pensils with hilliary's name on them so they can spell it right. You never know what that vast right wing conspiracy people might do.

[NO Obamanation]

A landslide in favor of a write in candidate? Yeah, ok. Oh geez.

NEWFLASH: The wicked witch is dead (at least for this cycle)

It might be a good idea if you pulled yourself out of your denial and faced the facts....there are only 2 candidates that have a chance of being the next POTUS. Choose Obama, McCain or stay home but please stop whining.


If people want to write in her name then they should. I know of two people that are for sure writing her name in. They are true blue Democrats and can not vote for Obama but do not want to vote for McCain, so they are writing her name in. I know of handful’s of others who are true blue democrats and can not vote for Obama but don't want to write in her name because they really and truly do not want someone they feel is reckless and dangerous in the white house so they are going vote McCain to try and help stop Obama.

Both are acceptable.

[Popeye]

If people want to write in her name then they should. I know of two people that are for sure writing her name in. They are true blue Democrats and can not vote for Obama but do not want to vote for McCain, so they are writing her name in. I know of handful’s of others who are true blue democrats and can not vote for Obama but don't want to write in her name because they really and truly do not want someone they feel is reckless and dangerous in the white house so they are going vote McCain to try and help stop Obama.

Both are acceptable.

Definition of "true blue" thanks to Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=true+blue)

unwaveringly loyal or faithful; staunch; unchangingly true.


Sorry, but a "true blue Democrat" does not vote for a Republican. They may have formerly been Democrats, but they, after voting Republican, no longer fit that definition.

[NO Obamanation]

Definition of "true blue" thanks to Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=true+blue)




Sorry, but a "true blue Democrat" does not vote for a Republican. They may have formerly been Democrats, but they, after voting Republican, no longer fit that definition.

OK let me re frame this

They WERE true blue :) the people I am talking about have never voted for anyone but a democrat their whole lives.

[calidem411]

I've been hearing a lot lately about a movement to have Obama and McCain defectors join the still-thriving throngs of Hillary Clinton supporters in a protest this Fall. It's called "Write-In Hillary Clinton."

To my knowledge she has nothing to do with it. It was spawned out of a growing fear that Clinton's landslide success with the primaries near the end signalled a turnabout in voter sentiment, despite Obama doing well in the initial primaries (I even voted for him and now want nothing to do with him). Concerned people from all walks of life think the choice between Obama, who will likely be shoved forward as the "official" democratic candidate, and his rival the Bush/Cheney/Big Oil stooge McCain, is no choice at all.

Write-In Hillary Clinton further represents the voices of the millions who feel disenfranchised, fearful and impotent to affect the outcome of elections, even in spite of Hillary winning the most primary votes in US History. She is our martyr and even if she herself came out and denounced this drive I and millions of others would still cast a write-in vote for her over Obama or McCain.

Let's face it. If we did elect her from our grassroots revolt, I doubt she would turn down the win.

At any rate it's our protest. It's our way of making our voices heard even when GOP/Big Media sexism, Obama's silent assent to same and hand-picked "super"delegates want to tie our mouths shut and order us to vote for their chronically hamstringed and patently unqualified candidate. I'm sick of being ordered around by suits and told I must be "loyal", fall in line or be cast out. :mad:


Sounds great!
I'm surprised tho, that an Obama voter feels disenfrachised as you say you feel.
I was banned from a forum for bringing up all the crap that Obama says during his campaing. Most of the people there were Obama followers and no matter how clear I presented all the videos and press releases about Obama they decided to attack me instead of arguing about the issues.

Anyways, I hope Hillary runs independent... :cool:

[Popeye]

OK let me re frame this

They WERE true blue :) the people I am talking about have never voted for anyone but a democrat their whole lives.

OK, and here are some folks who WERE Republicans, but have now seen the light and the need for real change.


Republicans for Obama (http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=homepage)

[NO Obamanation]

Sounds great!
I'm surprised tho, that an Obama voter feels disenfrachised as you say you feel.
I was banned from a forum for bringing up all the crap that Obama says during his campaing. Most of the people there were Obama followers and no matter how clear I presented all the videos and press releases about Obama they decided to attack me instead of arguing about the issues.
Anyways, I hope Hillary runs independent... :cool:


Did they call you a racist or insinuate you were racist for not liking him? That is what I have found happens first and foremost.

[NO Obamanation]

OK, and here are some folks who WERE Republicans, but have now seen the light and the need for real change.


Republicans for Obama (http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=homepage)

I never said there are not republicans who like Obama, there are all kinds of poeple who do and all kinds of people who don't.

I was just replying to the person who made the thread, that some will want to write in Hillary and some will want to defeat Obama by voting for McCain. Not because they like McCain but because they want to defeat Obama.

If there is a republican out there who gets a thrill up his leg over Obama, he should vote Obama and no one should be critical of him for it.

Just like no one should be critical of someone who would rather vote for McCain or write in Hillary.

[Popeye]

I never said there are not republicans who like Obama, there are all kinds of poeple who do and all kinds of people who don't.

I was just replying to the person who made the thread, that some will want to write in Hillary and some will want to defeat Obama by voting for McCain. Not because they like McCain but because they want to defeat Obama.

If there is a republican out there who gets a thrill up his leg over Obama, he should vote Obama and no one should be critical of him for it.

Just like no one should be critical of someone who would rather vote for McCain or write in Hillary.

Those are all nice sentiments...for church. This however is a political forum, we're supposed to be critical of each other, otherwise there is very little debate.

[NO Obamanation]

Those are all nice sentiments...for church. This however is a political forum, we're supposed to be critical of each other, otherwise there is very little debate.

I am saving this post, I will need it many times between now and November :D

[Bunz]

I going to write in Jimmy Carter for his second term!!!

[NO Obamanation]

I going to write in Jimmy Carter for his second term!!!

You mean Obama right?

I mean it would be the same thing but...

[Sihouette]

The only reason I'm supporting the Hillary Clinton Write-In is because I feel there are enough numbers to actually make it work.

I suspect that Obamanation is a McCain supporter. Encouraging that more people (that he "knows") are likely to vote for McCain, but that writing in Hillary is also acceptable means he really wants McCain to win and to ensure that, splitting the dem vote by writing-in Hillary is perfectly OK with him.

And that's NOT what I am about. I'm about courting people also disgusted with McCain's affiliations with Big Oil and the Bush/Cheney camp. We cannot afford four more years of that. But we also cannot afford four years with a fascist like Obama (read what he did in the Chicago election to fellow minority progressives to "get ahead" in power..:eek:).

The only sane choice is the applicant for President of the US that has experience as de facto advisor for 8 years to the Commander In Chief. Early on I voted for Obama but immediately thereafter identified with Clinton after the blatant kid-glove handling of him by Big Media/GOP outlets. My logic was that if they so obviously feared Clinton's shot at office, she had, by that definition alone, gained my total and unwavering support. Such is my level of distrust for the GOP, and also of Obama.

The two candidates John McCain and Barack Obama are dangerous and both wholly unacceptable candidates for the executive position of the highest level of employment in a security position like President of the US.

I really think people should look at the millions who supported Clinton, and the millions more who will wake up in coming weeks and see a Hillary Clinton write in as a real possibility for a landslide.

Just because you favor McCain or Obama, don't play down the significant magnitudes it has the potential to reach. I know what the real numbers behind Clinton are. She represents everyone who is disgusted with the two choices shoved down our throats. And that's a hellof a lot.

[Popeye]

The only reason I'm supporting the Hillary Clinton Write-In is because I feel there are enough numbers to actually make it work.

I suspect that Obamanation is a McCain supporter. Encouraging that more people (that he "knows") are likely to vote for McCain, but that writing in Hillary is also acceptable means he really wants McCain to win and to ensure that, splitting the dem vote by writing-in Hillary is perfectly OK with him.

And that's NOT what I am about. I'm about courting people also disgusted with McCain's affiliations with Big Oil and the Bush/Cheney camp. We cannot afford four more years of that. But we also cannot afford four years with a fascist like Obama (read what he did in the Chicago election to fellow minority progressives to "get ahead" in power..:eek:).

The only sane choice is the applicant for President of the US that has experience as de facto advisor for 8 years to the Commander In Chief. Early on I voted for Obama but immediately thereafter identified with Clinton after the blatant kid-glove handling of him by Big Media/GOP outlets. My logic was that if they so obviously feared Clinton's shot at office, she had, by that definition alone, gained my total and unwavering support. Such is my level of distrust for the GOP, and also of Obama.

The two candidates John McCain and Barack Obama are dangerous and both wholly unacceptable candidates for the executive position of the highest level of employment in a security position like President of the US.

I really think people should look at the millions who supported Clinton, and the millions more who will wake up in coming weeks and see a Hillary Clinton write in as a real possibility for a landslide.

Just because you favor McCain or Obama, don't play down the significant magnitudes it has the potential to reach. I know what the real numbers behind Clinton are. She represents everyone who is disgusted with the two choices shoved down our throats. And that's a hellof a lot.

You're dreaming. You sound like a reasonable person, before you throw away your vote, think of the Supreme Court. 7 of the current 9 justices have been put there by Republicans. Would you prefer McCain giving us more like Scalia, Alito, and Thomas or Obama bringing the court back from the alarming RW turn it has taken?

Do you even care about Roe v Wade? By most estimations, the court is 1 vote from overturning the decision and liberal Justice Stevens is 88 years old. Get over your disappointment and think long term, remember SC appointments are for life.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found a wide gap last week: Women favored Obama over McCain, 52% to 33%. The survey also found that voters who cast ballots for Clinton in the Democratic primaries preferred Obama over McCain, 61% to 19%.

Women voters lining up behind Obama (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-women16-2008jun16,0,6187010.story)

[Sihouette]

And you sound like one of those Obama supporters who refuses to even read about what he did to fellow minority progressives in his overweening ambition to climb to the top, in the election in Chicago.

He had a team of lawyers literally comb every single signature of the four candidates running against him to find petty flaws in addresses and whatnot. One man didn't even pose a threat to him at all in the polls. He just wanted to eliminate him too for good measure. To my knowledge none of the signatures on his petitions were examined. When questioned about his nefarious deeds he assured the reporter in essence that it didn't matter because his district got the best candidate for the job anyway..even if the choice was removed forcibly by him from their hands..

Remember Michigan and Florida and Obama's objections to them being counted? Yes Grasshopper, we're seeing a pattern of "do anything it takes". Are you aware of how many minorities were disenfranchised in Florida especially and also Michigan by not having their votes be counted? Yes, that's right. Obama favored that as well..

He steals the persona of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. without merit of his own in the same department. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. The only thing certain about Barack Obama is his ambition for power and the lengths he'll go to get it.

The same is true of McCain. He is so obviously a puppet for Big Oil and the Bush/Cheney corporate takeover of the Middle East that it is laughable.

If you think people cannot see this, think again. Both candidates are patently mean-spirited ruthless, corrupt and unfit for the Oval Office. Hillary was smeared in the Media who doled out sexist comments (whose racial equivalents would've gotten anchors fired on the spot) to her detriment. Meanwhile they favored Obama so blatantly that I was becoming sick to my stomach watching it...and wondering why the GOP/Big Media would do such a thing if they knew it meant they would run against the same man...????

These big red flags kept popping up but the whole nation, and here too apparently, is caught up in burying the past of their "hero" Barack Obama and that of McCain, glossing over what would've earned Hillary the red hot poker should it have shown up on her resume'...

No, Hillary represents. She represents the millions of voters who can see through the lulling speechs, the empty promises, the hype around Obama. During Bill Clinton's 8 year tenure our nation's economy was the strongest in US History. They actually had problems figuring out what to do with the surplus....Hillary Clinton gained more popular votes in the primary than any candidate in US history..

She represents grit, determination, the ability to take punches and get up again to fight another day. She has rolled up her sleeves for decades to ACTUALLY represent minority rights and women's rights and the rights of the downtrodden...instead of just talking about it.

She represents US. Like I said. I'm tired of being told who I can and cannot vote for and so are MILLIONS of others. Just for kicks and giggles this Fall I'm going to see how many millions that adds up to in a Write-In campaign. It's only started recently. As time goes on and more mire gets dug up out of the swamp of Obama and McCain, it can only play in the favor of "Write-In Hillary" numbers this Fall..

:)

[Popeye]

And you sound like one of those Obama supporters who refuses to even read about what he did to fellow minority progressives in his overweening ambition to climb to the top, in the election in Chicago.

He had a team of lawyers literally comb every single signature of the four candidates running against him to find petty flaws in addresses and whatnot. One man didn't even pose a threat to him at all in the polls. He just wanted to eliminate him too for good measure. To my knowledge none of the signatures on his petitions were examined. When questioned about his nefarious deeds he assured the reporter in essence that it didn't matter because his district got the best candidate for the job anyway..even if the choice was removed forcibly by him from their hands..

Remember Michigan and Florida and Obama's objections to them being counted? Yes Grasshopper, we're seeing a pattern of "do anything it takes". Are you aware of how many minorities were disenfranchised in Florida especially and also Michigan by not having their votes be counted? Yes, that's right. Obama favored that as well..

He steals the persona of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. without merit of his own in the same department. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. The only thing certain about Barack Obama is his ambition for power and the lengths he'll go to get it.

The same is true of McCain. He is so obviously a puppet for Big Oil and the Bush/Cheney corporate takeover of the Middle East that it is laughable.

If you think people cannot see this, think again. Both candidates are patently mean-spirited ruthless, corrupt and unfit for the Oval Office. Hillary was smeared in the Media who doled out sexist comments (whose racial equivalents would've gotten anchors fired on the spot) to her detriment. Meanwhile they favored Obama so blatantly that I was becoming sick to my stomach watching it...and wondering why the GOP/Big Media would do such a thing if they knew it meant they would run against the same man...????

These big red flags kept popping up but the whole nation, and here too apparently, is caught up in burying the past of their "hero" Barack Obama and that of McCain, glossing over what would've earned Hillary the red hot poker should it have shown up on her resume'...

No, Hillary represents. She represents the millions of voters who can see through the lulling speechs, the empty promises, the hype around Obama. During Bill Clinton's 8 year tenure our nation's economy was the strongest in US History. They actually had problems figuring out what to do with the surplus....Hillary Clinton gained more popular votes in the primary than any candidate in US history..

She represents grit, determination, the ability to take punches and get up again to fight another day. She has rolled up her sleeves for decades to ACTUALLY represent minority rights and women's rights and the rights of the downtrodden...instead of just talking about it.

She represents US. Like I said. I'm tired of being told who I can and cannot vote for and so are MILLIONS of others. Just for kicks and giggles this Fall I'm going to see how many millions that adds up to in a Write-In campaign. It's only started recently. As time goes on and more mire gets dug up out of the swamp of Obama and McCain, it can only play in the favor of "Write-In Hillary" numbers this Fall..

:)

Watch Faux News much? You sound like it with the Obama smears.

I notice you didn't address the subject of the SC, perhaps you are happy with it's current makeup. Maybe, as well, you don't care about future appointees, don't care about the future of Roe v Wade. After all, why should you, there is nothing more important than your queen.

Hey good luck with getting those millions.

[pocketfullofshells]

Booo whoo our person lost, we cant be grown ups and just move on.....

[Sihouette]

I think it would be more accurate to say she lost after either August or Novemeber.

In the meantime, Big Media/the GOP has only begun with Obama. They've raked Hillary over the coals many years ago and she's still standing. I don't think Obama's ties to his church, his trouncing of fellow minority progressives in that Chicago election and a host of other fatal flaws will leave him in anything but a political wheelchair come November...if he's lucky. He certainly isn't going to win.

What you fail to understand is that us poor little whiney babies are necessary for his walk into the Oval Office. To Obamanation's likely delight I'll say I'd rather chance McCain's foibles and supreme court nominations and give Hillary another run in four years, failing a win at a write-in surge by November, than hire a man espousing by day minority rights and what's best for our country, who by night dances on the heads of minorities ruthlessly for fun and prayed at the altar of "down with white america" for 20 years..

And I'm not alone...not by a longshot.

Now, take out your pencils and do the math kids...

[Popeye]

I think it would be more accurate to say she lost after either August or Novemeber.

In the meantime, Big Media/the GOP has only begun with Obama. They've raked Hillary over the coals many years ago and she's still standing. I don't think Obama's ties to his church, his trouncing of fellow minority progressives in that Chicago election and a host of other fatal flaws will leave him in anything but a political wheelchair come November...if he's lucky. He certainly isn't going to win.

What you fail to understand is that us poor little whiney babies are necessary for his walk into the Oval Office. To Obamanation's likely delight I'll say I'd rather chance McCain's foibles and supreme court nominations and give Hillary another run in four years, failing a win at a write-in surge by November, than hire a man espousing by day minority rights and what's best for our country, who by night dances on the heads of minorities ruthlessly for fun and prayed at the altar of "down with white america" for 20 years..

And I'm not alone...not by a longshot.

Now, take out your pencils and do the math kids...

You'd rather "chance McCain's foibles and SC nominations", well at least you've revealed that you're not a Democrat or a true progressive.


Here's some math for you:

Electoral vote.com electoral projection (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Jun19.html) as of 6-19

Obama-344
McCain-194


538 Electoral vote projection (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/06/todays-polls-619.html)

Obama-335.5
McCain-202.5

Sure it's early, but what Obama's lead in the polls demonstrates is that whiners such as yourself aren't enough in number to make a difference. You are more than offset by disenchanted Repubs and independents joining with true Democrats and voting for Obama.

BTW, had to duck any good sniper fire lately?

[NO Obamanation]

I suspect that Obamanation is a McCain supporter. Encouraging that more people (that he "knows") are likely to vote for McCain, but that writing in Hillary is also acceptable means he really wants McCain to win and to ensure that, splitting the dem vote by writing-in Hillary is perfectly OK with him.

It is NO Obamanation, and NO I am not a McCain supporter either. I would have voted for Hillary in the general and I did vote for Hillary in the primary. And if she can get the nomination (and I think she still has a shot, though slim) I will still probably vote for Hillary in the general, not because I agree with her. I don’t like any of them. But I like her better than the other two. IF McCain picked a decent running mate like Mitt Romney, then I will do what ever I can to help them. But it’s because of the running mate not the Liberal Senator from AZ.

I did not encourage anyone to do anything. I said if someone did not want Obama but did not like McCain either, they should vote for Nader or write in Hillary’s name. I said it would send the Democratic Party a strong message if a huge amount of people did write in her name. NO matter who wins it won’t be perfectly ok with me, I don’t like any of them and if you have read any of my posts you would know that I don’t like McCain either. I just simply Loathe Obama the most. And by the way I am a she not a he.

You get all defensive to me for agreeing with you about supporting Hillary. That is so funny. But what ever, I still think she got a really bum deal, there was a lot of sexism, she is a ton more qualified than Obama and I still support you in what ever way you feel will send your message out, even if it was to vote for Obama, I would support you. I would think you’re a bit nutty for accepting someone so terribly disgusting as him but it’s your right and your vote.

I have a lot of friends who are democrats who do not like Obama and do not really want to vote for McCain. I have told them they should either write in Hillary or they should decide what bothers them more, Obama or McCain and vote accordingly. I could really give a crap who anyone but me votes for.

You may have not understood my post but I was defending you and your right to do what ever it is you think you need to do. If it going to the march, or if it is spreading the word to write in her name, what ever it is you decide to do, I was trying to defend your right to do it without being called a cry baby or one of the other hundred names Obama supporters are calling Hillary supporters.

I am sorry if you found that deceiving.

[Sihouette]

Hmm..

Fair enough. Just today I saw an interview with a Hillary insider who sported a Cheshire-cat smile while she reminded the host that Hillary only suspended her campaign and that she didn't end it..that the campaign was still open, that she only considered Obama the presumptive nominee until things were made official at the convention..

And more Cheshire-cat smiling..

So things are as I knew they were. My daughter just smiled at her concession speech and reminded me that Hillary is a woman and that they smile while they reposition, all the while feigning defeat. I had to admit she had a point...and so it is.

Plus, Hillary is a lawyer. I know the things I know about Obama have not escaped either her or the McCain's camp's observations...

I'm playing the devil's advocate to show the Obama camp that if they think I have harsh words for his sour treatment of fellow progressive minorities or white racist preacher/fellowship...they ain't seen nothin' yet. The GOP heard Hillary's careful choice of "suspended" and they knew then as now that they must tread carefully on Obama until after the convention. If Obama makes it past that, look for the GOP/Big Media gloves to come off and the brass knuckles get put on.

Don't say I didn't warn you..:cool:

My prediction is by November the GOP will have rendered Obama's smooth image as unrecognizable and a true horror to behold. Mccain's associations with Bush and Cheney will be his achilles heel. I guess I should've clarified that the math I wanted people to do was the actual math on the day the ballots are cast in November. My prediction is that everyone will be stunned and amazed. Beyond that I won't comment on how or why..

[BigRob]

Hmm..

Fair enough. Just today I saw an interview with a Hillary insider who sported a Cheshire-cat smile while she reminded the host that Hillary only suspended her campaign and that she didn't end it..that the campaign was still open, that she only considered Obama the presumptive nominee until things were made official at the convention..


They all suspend their campaigns so that they can retain control of their delegates and so that they can continue to fundraise and use federal money to pay off their debts.

[NO Obamanation]

They all suspend their campaigns so that they can retain control of their delegates and so that they can continue to fundraise and use federal money to pay off their debts.



Are you sure they all suspended? I know Romney did and then eventually sent his delegates McCain’s way. When he gave McCain his delegates it officially ended his campaign.

I know that Edwards suspended and then eventually gave Obama his delegates. When he gave up his delegates, that officially ended his campaign.

Hillary never gave up her delegates and they will show on the floor of the convention hall, along with all 18 million votes.

I honestly can not remember if the huckabump gave his delegates away and officially ended his campaign. Being the &*^$% that he is, he probably kept his and is still getting donations. And no one else got any delegates, I don’t think.

If anything happens with Obama and he becomes hmm more damaged than he already is, the super’s can turn back to her just as fast as they turned away from her. The ONLY thing that makes Obama the presumptive nominee is the super delegates, who are not committed to anyone until the day of the convention and they vote. Then it’s in stone.

This is how I understand it. Please help me understand if I am wrong

I am no expert on politics.

[pocketfullofshells]

It is NO Obamanation, and NO I am not a McCain supporter either. I would have voted for Hillary in the general and I did vote for Hillary in the primary. And if she can get the nomination (and I think she still has a shot, though slim) I will still probably vote for Hillary in the general, not because I agree with her. I don’t like any of them. But I like her better than the other two. IF McCain picked a decent running mate like Mitt Romney, then I will do what ever I can to help them. But it’s because of the running mate not the Liberal Senator from AZ.

I did not encourage anyone to do anything. I said if someone did not want Obama but did not like McCain either, they should vote for Nader or write in Hillary’s name. I said it would send the Democratic Party a strong message if a huge amount of people did write in her name. NO matter who wins it won’t be perfectly ok with me, I don’t like any of them and if you have read any of my posts you would know that I don’t like McCain either. I just simply Loathe Obama the most. And by the way I am a she not a he.

You get all defensive to me for agreeing with you about supporting Hillary. That is so funny. But what ever, I still think she got a really bum deal, there was a lot of sexism, she is a ton more qualified than Obama and I still support you in what ever way you feel will send your message out, even if it was to vote for Obama, I would support you. I would think you’re a bit nutty for accepting someone so terribly disgusting as him but it’s your right and your vote.

I have a lot of friends who are democrats who do not like Obama and do not really want to vote for McCain. I have told them they should either write in Hillary or they should decide what bothers them more, Obama or McCain and vote accordingly. I could really give a crap who anyone but me votes for.

You may have not understood my post but I was defending you and your right to do what ever it is you think you need to do. If it going to the march, or if it is spreading the word to write in her name, what ever it is you decide to do, I was trying to defend your right to do it without being called a cry baby or one of the other hundred names Obama supporters are calling Hillary supporters.

I am sorry if you found that deceiving.

Guess what there was a lot of people with a lot more experience then Clinton, they don't cry about it. My guy had her in experience 10 times over. He lost, I said I hope he gets VP because I think he would fit that rule well, if not he has stated that he liked his role in the Senate as well, and at worst I am happy he is there. My 2nd pick lost as well and threw in behind Obama, after that I was not sure who I wanted, outside that I did not what Clinton. Had she won, I would have gave her a shot , as I am Obama now, becuse as much as I repspect McCain, I dont agree with most of His Policies.

[NO Obamanation]

Guess what there was a lot of people with a lot more experience then Clinton, they don't cry about it. My guy had her in experience 10 times over. He lost, I said I hope he gets VP because I think he would fit that rule well, if not he has stated that he liked his role in the Senate as well, and at worst I am happy he is there. My 2nd pick lost as well and threw in behind Obama, after that I was not sure who I wanted, outside that I did not what Clinton. Had she won, I would have gave her a shot , as I am Obama now, becuse as much as I repspect McCain, I dont agree with most of His Policies.

Clinton is not crying about anything. She is off minding her own business. And her supporters are not crying about anything. They are voicing their concerns about sexism and unfair treatment in the campaign.

You should vote for Obama and I am happy for you if you do, heck move to Oregon and vote for him twice! But why do you have to be mean to the people who just don't like him. Why do you have to say they are crying exc.?

Look, the lady was kind of mean to me, but I will still defend her right to not like Obama, or Really still hope for Clinton or to do what ever it is she is doing. I don't see why Obama supporters have to make fun of Clinton supporters by saying they are crying and baby’s exc, and telling them to get over it.

When Bush won both elections, did it do you any good or help you in any way when a republican told you to just get over it? I bet not, so why do that to a fellow democrat who cares about all the same issues as you do but just can’t swallow Obama.

I personally wouldn't care if both the democrat and republican parties cracked in two and never recovered, but if you want your party to heal, you Obama people have to stop calling Clinton supporters babies and at least try to understand where they are coming from instead of saying WE ARE SHOVING OBAMA DOWN YOUR THROAT, SWALLOW IT AND SHUT UP! Because that is not very nice.

[Sihouette]

Here's why we should write in Hillary Clinton should delegates fall into the GOP trap..

I'm going to forego political-correctness and get down to the brass tacks of what nobody in the democratic party wants to hear. It has to do with racism and common sense. And no, the two are definitely not related but are integral aspects of the wide spectrum of people who make up the democratic party.

When I'm playing devil's (GOP) advocate here, it helps to consider that when it comes to bare-bones strategy, they think like reptiles..

1. The GOP/Big Media blatantly and shamelessly promoted Barack Obama in the primaries to "presumptive nominee" (Oh how they hoped and still do that Hillary will formally concede...she hasn't) knowing full well that there are way too many covertly or otherwise bigoted whites in the democratic party to make him a viable threat after the convention, number wise. And failing the bigoted angle, they knew that there are also way too many educated and practical people in the democratic party middle ground who are experienced enough to know that a smooth-talking, underexperienced Johnny-come-lately like Obama would spell a win for them in these troubled times. They are taking advantage of legitimate fear.

(did I mention they operate like reptiles?)

2. They actively sabotaged HIllary Clinton, knowing that not only the covertly, or otherwise, bigoted whites in the democratic party would support her upon her nomination, but that her longtime support of minorities would unify the Obama crowd as well for a real and viable threat to McCain. The GOP knows full well that Clinton would have white, minority and women's support. That's everyone folks. And worst of all (again, coming from their POV) Hillary Clinton's husband brought our country the strongest economy in US history. That was a demon they could not beat back to save their lives.

So who did they promote? Was it the candidate they knew who would split the democratic party into shards and gain them a win in November or the one who would unify all democrats and gain them a loss in November?

Remember, these guys have been doing this bit for decades and longer. They're professionals.. If you don't believe me, ask yourself why McCain hasn't gone for Obama's weakest of weak spots: His abuse of fellow progressive minorites in the Chicago election. Do you actually think that Obama abusing fellow minorities (his main base of support) has somehow slipped by the GOP? Do you think they'll let it rest in the interest of not stooping that low? Guess again. Look for that as soon as the August convention ends.

The Trap: There are so many GOP fingers crossed right now hoping Obama people will fight to the death to save their fatally-flawed candidate to become the actual nominee come August that you wouldn't even believe.

It's so simple a kindergartener could figure it out. Yet still it seems to have escaped the radar of the delegates.

Should we run a race on race? Obama said we should...and that's a big problem because it's a double-edged sword. He wants people to recognize minorities for their acheivements while simultaneously and shamelessly elevating himself, without qualifications, based on his racial ancestory. He wants to behave abusively towards minorities, and gain their respect as their champion all at the same time. I see this guy operating and it makes my head spin. And still no one notices this glaring aspect of Obama's racism. Does he identify with his white upbringing? Or his absent black father, the finance minister in Africa? Maybe it depends on what angle he's working..?

The situation is complex. That's why we MUST ignore the temptation to be drawn to race or gender, or singsongs and dated hype and just look at resume's and who would be the most likely candidate for a win based on experience. If Obama had a resume' that listed active military service or experience as a foreign ambassador..anything that might suggest he could handle the helm instead of flubb it, (and if he himself had not brought up race as an issue), even closet-bigots could see that he outshines McCain. Yet those necessary qualifications are not on his resume'. And those other complex problems he himself has created with manipulating racism....he just cannot win folks. I'm speaking from the devil's POV; and dammit, they're right.. At least on this one, and most crucial point: Obama is UNELECTABLE for any one of dozens of potent reasons..

It just happens this time around the more experienced and qualified democratic candidate also coincides with the one candidate who can also garner the most support come November. That would be the candidate that the GOP trap deftly shoved aside and prematurely declared the loser (RIP Tim Russert), and keep drumming in our puny little heads that Obama is THE (whisper: "presumptive") DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. Will we walk like dumb cattle right into the pungee pit?

Sometimes the truth is a bitter pill.

Remember, I'm foregoing political correctness now and telling you how it really is. Don't blame the messenger.

And if the delegates want to be manipulated by Obama or the GOP into sacraficing our party on the altar of blind political correctness...count me out.

I'll be voting for Hillary Clinton this Fall whether I check a box next to her name or write it in on a blank line.

[Sihouette]

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/firstladies/hc42.html


[I]The original candidate for hope and change..

"As an undergraduate at Wellesley College, Hillary mixed academic excellence with school government. Speaking at graduation, she said, "The challenge now is to practice politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible."

Just a thumbnail of her actual service to mankind

"Hillary served as Arkansas's First Lady for 12 years, balancing family, law, and public service. She chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, Legal Services, and the Children's Defense Fund."

People refer to part of the title of her book now as a household expression, "It takes a village"

"She wrote a weekly newspaper column entitled "Talking It Over," which focused on her experiences as First Lady and her observations of women, children, and families she has met around the world. Her 1996 book It Takes a Village and Other Lessons Children Teach Us was a best seller, and she received a Grammy Award for her recording of it."

I'll try to post blips of her bio now and then. Those who will support Barack Obama come hell or high water need not read these unsettling details of the candidate they helped beat back in his favor.

[Popeye]

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/firstladies/hc42.html


[I]The original candidate for hope and change..

"As an undergraduate at Wellesley College, Hillary mixed academic excellence with school government. Speaking at graduation, she said, "The challenge now is to practice politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible."

Just a thumbnail of her actual service to mankind

"Hillary served as Arkansas's First Lady for 12 years, balancing family, law, and public service. She chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, Legal Services, and the Children's Defense Fund."

People refer to part of the title of her book now as a household expression, "It takes a village"

"She wrote a weekly newspaper column entitled "Talking It Over," which focused on her experiences as First Lady and her observations of women, children, and families she has met around the world. Her 1996 book It Takes a Village and Other Lessons Children Teach Us was a best seller, and she received a Grammy Award for her recording of it."

I'll try to post blips of her bio now and then. Those who will support Barack Obama come hell or high water need not read these unsettling details of the candidate they helped beat back in his favor.

You forgot this part:

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton)

In 1965, Rodham enrolled at Wellesley College, where she majored in political science. During her freshman year, she served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans

At times during the primary campaign I thought she had returned to her roots, what with her kissing up to Fox News, citing Karl Rove as a source etc. However, all will be forgiven as long as she keeps her promise and stumps for Obama, something it appears she is going to do. It also seems as if the major Clinton fundraisers will now be raising money for the Obama campaign. (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5059887&page=1) See the party is coming together nicely.

BTW, since you like to dismiss the danger McCain poses to Roe V Wade, I thought a reminder might be in order:

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[Sihouette]

Well...

If I had to weigh Hillary serving for the young republicans and then rightfully changing her mind from that ilk as she matured against Obama's crafty and sharklike extermination of fellow minorities in Chicago...I think I could glean where the venial sin and where the unforgivable one was.

It's all about perspective.

Sure Hillary hobnobs with republicans informally. Ever heard the phrase "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.."?

She's not an idiot.. and with Hillary in Office this January, I don't have to worry a fig about Roe V Wade being overturned. Besides, what is overturned can be overturned yet again. Like people are going to sit still while neocons trash the Constitution, Civil rights, Impliment The Obama Trap and overturn Roe v...

Hey, wait a minute...maybe you've got a point!

[top gun]

The bottom line is Hillary is whole heartedly supporting Senator Obama. The primary is over. Everyone is coming together for the greater good.

Democrats, Independents and even many disenfranchised Republicans know we just can't keep going deeper & deeper down this dark neo-con road. Look around. Are we better off than we were 8 years ago... No! America is much worse off under neo-con domination.

Senator Obama is that rare combination of intelligence, strength and determination and a true caring for all Americans. You don't have to be Country Club eligible for Barack Obama to push for things that make for your life to be a little bit better.

A good Christian Family Man that's only been married once and that has produced two lovely little girls that you can tell he loves more than life itself.

Go get 'em Senator... build on this weeks 15 point Newsweek poll lead over John McBush... you're the man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XprlHo5XLlI

[GenSeneca]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Senator Obama is that rare combination of intelligence, strength and determination and a true caring for all Americans. You don't have to be Country Club eligible for Barack Obama to push for things that make for your life to be a little bit better.

A good Christian Family Man that's only been married once and that has produced two lovely little girls that you can tell he loves more than life itself.



OMG, wheres the bucket... I'm gonna be sick. :(

I wish I could grab the ankles of people like this, drag them back out of the clouds and down here to reality... But they don't care to be bothered by such trivial matters as the truth or facts - those are distractions based on racism, so I can only watch them float away into a wonderland of delusions.

Reminds me of Perot... At least he never stood a chance at winning.

[Sihouette]

A good Christian Family Man that's only been married once and that has produced two lovely little girls that you can tell he loves more than life itself.

Hmmm.. That reminds me of the Chicago extermination Obama carried out. Seems years after he systematically eliminated fellow progressive minorities to run unopposed on the ballot for Senate, he ran again and guess what happened that time to knock away any competition....?

Magically his opponents' messy divorce records got unearthed and circulated..

So yeah, Obama seems to be aware that he's only been married once. From all appearances he's capitalized on that before..

Pass the puke bucket. Anytime I hear the blind-gilded praise of this teflon nincompoop I start to get the heaves..

HEY OBAMA SUPPORTERS, ARE YOU SCARED TO LOOK AT THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE ARTICLE ABOUT HOW KIND AND COMPASSIONATE AND EVEN-HANDED OBAMA IS(N'T) AS A PERSON?

Because I can tell you that you'll have to face that article sooner or later. It is sitting on the top of the GOP stack next to some very itchy fingers drumming the table just waiting for his nomination to become official. Then there will be no way for you to ignore what's in that article. It will be pasted on every media outlet and bus stop from here to Calamazoo.

[BigRob]

BTW, since you like to dismiss the danger McCain poses to Roe V Wade, I thought a reminder might be in order:



George Bush supposedly "lied" and 4,000 US soldiers are dead. The left is outraged.

Roe V. Wade is based on admitted fabrications and lies. An estimated 3,000 babies are killed daily. The left is silent.

[GenSeneca]

Roe V. Wade
Babies don't count as being human till Liberal judges say the're human beings.

And Obama supporters are not scared of hearing the truth - It can't be real because Obama is too appealing to be a fake.

[Popeye]

George Bush supposedly "lied" and 4,000 US soldiers are dead. The left is outraged.

Roe V. Wade is based on admitted fabrications and lies. An estimated 3,000 babies are killed daily. The left is silent.

Nice try, but nether I or the Supreme Court equates an embryo with a living breathing self aware human being.

Abortion is a legal medical procedure. It's not yours or any other self righteous right winger's business to interfere in what, for any woman, is a very personal decision.

[NO Obamanation]

George Bush supposedly "lied" and 4,000 US soldiers are dead. The left is outraged.

Roe V. Wade is based on admitted fabrications and lies. An estimated 3,000 babies are killed daily. The left is silent.

They "like" abortion, they are proud of it. They sell and wear t shirts that say "I had an abortion, and I am proud of it"

To much pot in the 70s or something, idunno

[NO Obamanation]

Nice try, but nether I or the Supreme Court equates an embryo with a living breathing self aware human being.

Abortion is a legal medical procedure. It's not yours or any other self righteous right winger's business to interfere in what, for any woman, is a very personal decision.

8 to 9 month viable child does, but Obama voted to let them die if they survived a partial birth abortion.

Obama is sub human, the child is NOT!

[Popeye]

They "like" abortion, they are proud of it. They sell and wear t shirts that say "I had an abortion, and I am proud of it"

To much pot in the 70s or something, idunno

It's called being proud to have a choice, as in reproductive rights. Now, if you want to believe it's murder and all that religious BS, go for it. Nobody is forcing you to have an abortion, just as those who believe it's just a medical procedure don't wish to have your morals imposed on them. I really don't think that's too much to ask.

[Popeye]

8 to 9 month viable child does, but Obama voted to let them die if they survived a partial birth abortion.

Obama is sub human, the child is NOT!

A survey done in 2003 found that 1.4% of abortions were performed at or after 21 weeks, the other 98.6% were performed before then. Therefore may I assume that you feel any abortion before 5 months is Ok? Or were you just setting up the typical straw man argument used by the anti abortionists?

[NO Obamanation]

It's called being proud to have a choice, as in reproductive rights. Now, if you want to believe it's murder and all that religious BS, go for it. Nobody is forcing you to have an abortion, just as those who believe it's just a medical procedure don't wish to have your morals imposed on them. I really don't think that's too much to ask.

You want to brag about killing babies, go for it.

I have the right to say its sick to do and its even sicker to brag about doing it.

[NO Obamanation]

A survey done in 2003 found that 1.4% of abortions were performed at or after 21 weeks, the other 98.6% were performed before then. Therefore may I assume that you feel any abortion before 5 months is Ok? Or were you just setting up the typical straw man argument used by the anti abortionists?

I know its rare, I never said it wasn't rare.

Its still wrong

and your Obama is one sick sub human for his vote

nothing you can ever say will change that

[Popeye]

You want to brag about killing babies, go for it.

I have the right to say its sick to do and its even sicker to brag about doing it.

Babies, you mean embryos, just a collection of cells. Anyway, you didn't answer my question....since almost 99% of abortions are performed, where no chance of viability exists, do you think those should remain legal?

[NO Obamanation]

Babies, you mean embryos, just a collection of cells. Anyway, you didn't answer my question....since almost 99% of abortions are performed, where no chance of viability exists, do you think those should remain legal?

I don't think killing people is a good thing. I do of course understand tubular pregnancies, rape exc are special circumstances. There are other strange cases where a woman can not carry a baby to term because her liver or kidney will not take the stress of pregnancy. Those types of reasons are understandable and unfortunate.

[BigRob]

Nice try, but nether I or the Supreme Court equates an embryo with a living breathing self aware human being.

Abortion is a legal medical procedure. It's not yours or any other self righteous right winger's business to interfere in what, for any woman, is a very personal decision.

If your party is the party of choice, why is your party in favor of expanding government and leaving all the "choice" up to the government.

And for the record, the Roe V Wade was based on admitted lies, where is the outrage? You can justify it to yourself however you want, but in the end, its killing a human.

[top gun]

OMG, wheres the bucket... I'm gonna be sick. :(

I wish I could grab the ankles of people like this, drag them back out of the clouds and down here to reality... But they don't care to be bothered by such trivial matters as the truth or facts - those are distractions based on racism, so I can only watch them float away into a wonderland of delusions.

Reminds me of Perot... At least he never stood a chance at winning.

At least it's good you understand the reality of the situation with your last line... yes Senator Obama will win. America has seen where cowboy shoot from the hip, lie, lie, lie gets us. McSame, same thing but even worse... a really really old out of touch & cranky chronic Flip Flopper.

Yes Americans needs some intelligence at the top. No one can reasonably dispute we've been led to slaughter literally & economically these last two terms. Americans support Senator Barack Obama not because he's perfect... no one is... but because he is indisputably a very smart man and he does care about middle class people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI4-a_WC3Cw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFV7uwW7fo

[Sihouette]

America has seen where cowboy shoot from the hip, lie, lie, lie gets us. McSame, same thing but even worse... a really really old out of touch & cranky chronic Flip Flopper.

Um...have you been watching the news lately about Obama flip-flopping and suddenly moving from his liberal left stance to more conservative? Just wondering.

And have you yet read the Chicago Tribune article which illustrates how Obama exterminated fellow progressive minorities by petty and ruthless tactics to run unopposed for Senate there? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story

Because instead of looking silly and promoting Obama based on his supposed good moral fiber and rock solid idealism, you should look at how truly slippery, slimey and shifty he really is..

Unless of course it's more comfortable there with your head stuck firmly in the sand..

[top gun]

Um...have you been watching the news lately about Obama flip-flopping and suddenly moving from his liberal left stance to more conservative? Just wondering.

And have you yet read the Chicago Tribune article which illustrates how Obama exterminated fellow progressive minorities by petty and ruthless tactics to run unopposed for Senate there? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story

Because instead of looking silly and promoting Obama based on his supposed good moral fiber and rock solid idealism, you should look at how truly slippery, slimey and shifty he really is..

Unless of course it's more comfortable there with your head stuck firmly in the sand..

I'm sure you don't mean to insult me.:)

Trust me I'm well up on the candidates.

However you kinda remind me of the three bears with this train of thought. This ones too hot... this ones too cold. Senator Obama isn't tough enough to be President... Senator Obama is too tough. ;)

Senator Obama is a politician just like everybody else that runs for President. But as politicians go he's a Good, Faithful, Christian Family Man Husband & Father.

He's definitely the better candidate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-nrjvsETQU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpp__pZnGSE

[Sihouette]

No, Obama is tough in all the wrong ways, crooked ways, ways that he beat down minorities all while supposedly standing for their rights.

He is weak on foreign experience and has no miltary service. These are the ways he should be tough.

If you can stomach him exterminating four other minorities' chances at running for public office on petty litigation over their petition's signatures, all while standing for downtrodden minorities, then nothing I can say about Obama will change your mind.

And hence my comment about your head in the sand. It's an old saying referring to someone who refuses to pull their head out and look around for potential dangers.

[Sihouette]

After writing your superdelegates and urging them to discard the idea of Obama, the one who will lose this Fall to known psychology of BigMedia/GOP's October surprise, you can tell them that no matter what Hillary Clinton herself says, since she only represented 18 million people's mindsets that will never see the inexperienced Obama as a viable substitute for theirs, that you will be writing her in this November.

18 million people is quite a lot. And when the two numbskulls McCain and Obama get through exposing each other as the insufferable buffoons that they are, asking for people to write-in Hillary Clinton may not be such a blowout that both McCain and Obama will be quick to paint out.

For their obvious reasons, they both fear a Clinton write-in. They both fear the Clintons.

Under Bill Clinton's presidency we had the best economy in US history. That's a little secret the GOP and Obama want to keep buried right now..:rolleyes:

[Popeye]

After writing your superdelegates and urging them to discard the idea of Obama, the one who will lose this Fall to known psychology of BigMedia/GOP's October surprise, you can tell them that no matter what Hillary Clinton herself says, since she only represented 18 million people's mindsets that will never see the inexperienced Obama as a viable substitute for theirs, that you will be writing her in this November.

18 million people is quite a lot. And when the two numbskulls McCain and Obama get through exposing each other as the insufferable buffoons that they are, asking for people to write-in Hillary Clinton may not be such a blowout that both McCain and Obama will be quick to paint out.

For their obvious reasons, they both fear a Clinton write-in. They both fear the Clintons.

Under Bill Clinton's presidency we had the best economy in US history. That's a little secret the GOP and Obama want to keep buried right now..:rolleyes:

From yesterday's LA Times/Bloomberg Pool: (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll25-2008jun25,0,5763707.story)

the great majority of Clinton voters have transferred their allegiance to Obama, the poll found. Only 11% of Clinton voters have defected to McCain.

[Sihouette]

This just in, 95% of local tavern patrons believe drinking before noon is the only sign of alcoholism.

To summate: 95% of local people surveyed believe drinking before noon is the only sign of alcoholism.

***

Polls are manipulated daily. I personally know droves of people who supported Hillary who will either not vote or write-in Hillary before they cast a vote for Obama. I know of none who will vote for McCain. A good sign.

So either these droves of people are statistically skewed or the statistics themselves have been tweaked.

I know which one I'm betting on..

[top gun]

No, Obama is tough in all the wrong ways, crooked ways, ways that he beat down minorities all while supposedly standing for their rights.

He is weak on foreign experience and has no miltary service. These are the ways he should be tough.

If you can stomach him exterminating four other minorities' chances at running for public office on petty litigation over their petition's signatures, all while standing for downtrodden minorities, then nothing I can say about Obama will change your mind.

And hence my comment about your head in the sand. It's an old saying referring to someone who refuses to pull their head out and look around for potential dangers.

Look... this sounds a lot like the old "is he black enough" argument and it's stupid... no offense.:)

Senator Obama is not weak on foreign experience. If he is then George W. and Bill Clinton that were only Governors would be complete imbasals... OK you got me W. is but you get my drift.;)

Being a United States Senator dealing with Federal Security Issues and Foreign Affairs is an ongoing process Governors don't deal with and certainly don't get near as much information on.

So with Senator Obama we have a person know for his intelligence and ability to research information and clearly state a position, that's had both State & Federal Experience.

Also he's fully supported by the Clinton's for President of the United States.

So the whole write in thing is simply against Hillary's will. Let's all work together.

[top gun]

After writing your superdelegates and urging them to discard the idea of Obama, the one who will lose this Fall to known psychology of BigMedia/GOP's October surprise, you can tell them that no matter what Hillary Clinton herself says, since she only represented 18 million people's mindsets that will never see the inexperienced Obama as a viable substitute for theirs, that you will be writing her in this November.

18 million people is quite a lot. And when the two numbskulls McCain and Obama get through exposing each other as the insufferable buffoons that they are, asking for people to write-in Hillary Clinton may not be such a blowout that both McCain and Obama will be quick to paint out.

For their obvious reasons, they both fear a Clinton write-in. They both fear the Clintons.

Under Bill Clinton's presidency we had the best economy in US history. That's a little secret the GOP and Obama want to keep buried right now..:rolleyes:

It's only been what a week since Hillary conceeded... and the number of Hillary supporters that now say they won't vote for Obama is ALREADY down to just 11%.

And we still have months and months to go. Everything is fine. Senator Obama is opening up double digit leads in several national polls and is polling ahead in Pennsylvania, Ohio and even Florida!

And I agree... I liked President Bill Clinton. Voted for him both times and in fact it was when he ran for his second term I switched from Independent to Democrat.

I watched Senator Obama just the other day praising President Clinton and he's been very gracious to Senator Clinton as well.

Come on... we're all in this together. The goal is to stop a third Bush term with McBush. Let's work together for the overall good of the nation!

Here it is...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJjIB6CRhVU

[Sihouette]

Again, you're citing polls. And polls are manipulated. What's the best way to get an unruly herd to come around? Lie to them and tell them the new surge is in "this" direction.

Clinton supporters aren't so easily misled because fundamentally they come from a standpoint of reason unlike their hopeful portrayal by BigMedia/GOP/[silent aquiescence]Obama as shrill, emotional old bigoted white women.

Reason tells us that when your economy is ruined and on the brink of a depression the likes that may pale the 1930s, you want a leader who is strong on the economy. Under the former Clinton tenure, our economy was the strongest its ever been. Reason tells us that we want a leader who will actually stand up for minorities, and not just pay them lip service to get elected while they've had a history of stomping on their heads. If Hillary had a record of exterminating minorities from running against her...her political career would be ashes. For Obama it only seems to make him more popular.

The political climate in which he keeps rising reminds me of the hysterical one just before the rise of the nazis in Germany during the 1930s. People aren't thinking straight when they support a man who has made clear overtures that not only does he not play fair when it comes to identifying with the struggles of people he claims to represent, he plays ruthlessly unfair. People's ability and willingness to brush away this huge red flag is a very unsettling fact.

Reason tells Clinton supporters that to get caught up in this wave of hysterical blindness which seems to be the hallmark of Obama supporters, is a dangerous social proposition. There will be no new fascist party under Obama of course. If he did make it to the Oval Office, past the Fall gauntlet of BigMedia/GOP poised and ready to thwart any hopes he has of this, he would be lame-ducked to the point of goofyness.

So Clinton supporters see this also. They say, "what are we doing? We're nominating a man who, if he even makes it past November election politically intact, which is patently unlikely, then if he does get to Office in January we'll just be floundering around while other countries see this as their opportunity to exploit America's weakness the next four years."

Clinton supporters, in spite of what Hillary is being pressured to say to do, are urging people with common sense to see that putting overweening inexperience at the helm during a storm means an impending shipwreck. Oh sure, a miracle could happen and the ship might be delivered to safe harbor unharmed. But it would take nothing short of a miracle with the combination of our nation in jeopardy with Obama playing with the wheel.

So that's why we urge that even if Obama makes nominee this August, to write-in Hillary Clinton. A vote for McCain is just a vote for Bush. A vote for Obama is a vote for a shipwreck. A vote for Clinton is a vote for real hope and change. If wanting sanity, experience, proven economic aptitude and leadership is being labelled by adamant Obama supporters as "divisive", then call us the splitters. Better than being called, careless, idealistic, blind and foolhardy.

My old history teacher was right. As boring as World and US History was, it was essential to not only learn, but also comprehend. He told us our future might depend on it some day. And I hate to admit it, but he was right.

[top gun]

Sihouette;43780]Again, you're citing polls...

My good friend... Hillary supporters are backing Obama now. That's the long and the short of it. The stakes are too high. America does not want to see another Bush term with a McBush.

This is no time to talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. We have a great nominee in Senator Obama. Either would have been great nominees...

and I sooooo welcome Senator Hillary Clinton's support on the campaign trail starting tomorrow.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXTnYPvi3-0

[Sihouette]

100 new websites have sprung up in the last week alone promoting stalwart defection from the democratic party should Obama be voted the nominee in August. One reports members of 3 million supporters over all areas of the US.

And that's just the people who have officially spoken up about the matter. Millions more are quietly biding their time and waiting for just an opportunity like "Write-In Clinton" to show elected officials what they think of having Obama shoved down our throats.

You can misrepresent facts until the cows come home, but the internet is screwing your attempts. That and in November, behind that dark curtain all alone will stand a logical, reasonable and thinking voter casting his or her vote in favor of the one candidate they know will take us out of our economic disaster by then....the wife, associate and confidant of the president who mended our economy to be the strongest one in US history...President Bill Clinton's wife...Hillary...

Have fun misrepresenting reality. No matter what Clinton says, she will get our support in November. We realize she has to bend this way and that to hold onto her Senator's position and pay off debt. But the spirit of OUR campaign lives on until November.

We're getting our bumper stickers ready for "Write-In Clinton" upon Obama's nomination. Let me know if you have any clever ideas: silhouette@suddenlink.net

[Sihouette]

Trivia question of the day:

What one thing did Hillary Clinton hold back from offering to Barack Obama in yesterday's Unity speech?

Hint: It's a big thing. Or rather...things

And no, it's not her husband Bill...:rolleyes:

[Sihouette]

Oh, c'mon. No takers? :D What did Hillary Clinton hold back from giving Obama at the Unity speech?

It's the one most important thing she could've given him to prove her devotion to his being elected? Anyone??

Meanwhile, Obama people keep whining about Clinton advocates not giving their con man demigod 100% of our support...

Try to imagine this just for a moment. You have two applicants for a job in a company you have that is struggling, on the brink of financial collapse and vulnerable to takeover from other companies. You want desperately to save it.

The job agency (democrats) send you two applicants. One applicant is very handsome, young, looks very promising on the surface. He is well-spoken and seems to have an answer for every question put to him. And if he doesn't have an answer, he promises to look into it and get you one very soon. You like him. He leaves you feeling hopeful, confident as to his abilities...

Applicant number two comes in with a slightly less likeable first impression. Her voice is a litte raspy, she seems a little too direct, pushy maybe even, but her command of the company's inner workings is machine-like, automatic and practical. She leaves you also feeling confident but less enamored than with applicant number one.

You know you have a Board Meeting and you have to present the best applicant for the job. So you begin your background check to make damn sure the applicant you choose is the best possible one for the job. Things to consider are the size of the mess the company is in, the fact that it's recovery will be long-term at best and you assess how technical the problems are that it faces...the nuances. You know the applicant you pick MUST be thoroughly experienced...moreover, there is no time for on-the-job training. This CEO must hit the ground running 100mph as if they've done this their whole life.

Applicant one (Obama), left you with a warm feeling for hope and change in your belly; but upon opening his resume', you begin to wonder where he is coming from on hope and change. You note that even though he espouses minority rights (an important factor in your company) you see that he rose to a high position in another related company (Senate) by smashing fellow minorities. You begin to become concerned; but still you put it aside because there is something quite winning about him. Then more flip-flops start emerging.... he is young and almost too-smooth..something isn't sitting right..

Applicant number two's resume' reads like company policy. You see that she not only has experience in the company's busniness before, but that she was the top confidant of one of it's best CEOs in the company's history. Although she's a bit abrasive, the financial performance of her and her associate stands out as the best the industry has ever seen. Your company, teetering on the brink of financial collapse, up to its ears in foreign worries...you know which candidate the Board (majority of dem voters) is going to want. You know the only safe bet to run the company is the less-initially likeable brassy applicant with experience and 15 years seniority on the more smooth and "likeable" one.

You make your decision and you stand by it. No amount of pleading on behalf of the lesser applicant will move you. You (the superdelegates) know that if you present the wrong applicant (Obama) for the most dire problem facing the company (economic recovery), that the Board (the voters) will fire you (not re-elect you in your next term).

People do object to Obama for good, solid reasons. We aren't stupid. We know that some people are really good at the con. This is something that comes with age and maturity. We don't want an obvious con man slinking into the most important position in our country. We want to err on the side of tried-and-true. Imagine that in these troubled times? Emotional? How about methodical.

We have eliminated one of the applicants for the job. It's a done deal.

[top gun]

Saying that either of the final two Democratic candidates (final three for that matter) would not make great Presidents is no more than proselytize a message that simply is not true.

Going into the "who's best" game after the fact is like going back and trying to argue that whoever the Boston Celtics beat in the Division Championship should really have played in the Championship Game against the Lakers... you simply can't go back in time.

When we talk fondly now about Senator Clinton (and I like the Clintons a lot) to be fair there also needs this reality check included. To give full discloser it's just a fact that while equally popular amongst Democrats as Senator Obama Senator Clinton had HUGE negative to positive numbers overall outside of loyal Democrats.

How many times has it been reported that Hillary would bring out the Republican vote when Senator McSame really cannot. How much polling evidence would it take to show these high negatives against Senator Clinton would be a real problem in a general election?

The primary is over. Now the right thing to do in my opinion is to come together as a Party and be sure to stop another term of Bush policy that is not only devastating to the overall country but particularly bad for women in America.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lc-KZvxRb4

[Sihouette]

The primary is over after the vote in August and not a minute before.

Now, answer the question: what did Hillary not offer Obama at the Unity speech?

And if she loses the nomination to Obama at the Denver Convention in AUGUST 2008. (over a month in the FUTURE), then the write-in campaign will commence that night at the stroke of midnight.

There is no "getting over" the wrong man for this very important job. My memory keeps snapping back to the Clinton record on economy and it makes me feel at ease. So much so that a thousand red letter posts like yours have no effect. It's a nice feeling knowing that with another Clinton at the helm the greatest efforts in US history will once again be applied to turning our nation back into a strong and viable world force. I will be able to sleep at night. With Obama at the watch I'll be waking up like every 15 minutes thinking, "did he remember to turn off the stove?" "did he remember to brush his teeth?" "did he forget to put the cat out?" ...you get the picture..

[Sihouette]

Tom Brokaw's interview yesterday of "democratic" catholic pro-lifer Governor Ritter of Colorado and his Wyoming buddy spelled exactly how Obama was pre-guaranteed the nomination. Ritter is presiding over the Denver convention...

Surprise surprise...a dyed-in-the-wool de facto GOP boy will preside over the nomination of Obama...hmmmm... Weird that a conservative pro-lifer would promote a rabid liberal like Obama over the more moderate Clinton.. Strike anyone as odd?...

The Obama Trap

Meanwhile, no one has stated what it was that Hillary, the real GOP opponent, did not give Obama at the "lovefest" at Unity..

OK. Here's the word (a place where a lot of people order sandwiches, potato salad and cole slaw etc.) + (the plural of what you should always close behind you when you drive through a rancher's property)

:rolleyes:

[Sihouette]

So no one is shocked, stunned or amazed that the man who will preside over the democratic convention is actually a pro-life republican who signed on as democrat, undoubtedly to get elected in Colorado?

OK. If you can live with that, you can live with anything.

I just think it's weird when someone whose entire upbringning reeks of the far right is suddenly in favor of a total opposite liberal like Obama. When this happens I begin to wonder if Ritter (the GOP) has an ulterior motive for promoting Obama. Then add in a dash of BigMedia slashing his rival Clinton and shamelessly promoting Obama over her during the primaries, Tim Russert announcing her premature political obituary to sway voters..

I'm smelling a little sabotage.

OK...no takers.. Deli + Gates Now do you see what Clinton didn't hand over? I wouldn't have either. She cares too much about her country. A fact that just doesn't impress people any more.

[pocketfullofshells]

Sorry I was going to post something, but I got tears in my eyes thinking about how wronged Clinton was.....


you know what, no one I know liked her , at all. Hell my mom was not even going to vote Dem this year if she won and she always votes Dem.

[Sihouette]

No one you know including your mom would've voted for Hillary?

And I thought her credibility couldn't get higher in my mind!

Thanks for that bump. :D

[pocketfullofshells]

No one you know including your mom would've voted for Hillary?

And I thought her credibility couldn't get higher in my mind!

Thanks for that bump. :D

nope evry single Person I know wanted Obama..and most HATE CLinton. And thats in Minnesota, and in the Burbs where its more Moderate to Republican leaning. To me she has Zero Credibility, and also just the idea of more of the same 2 familys makes me sick.

[top gun]

The primary is over after the vote in August and not a minute before.

Now, answer the question: what did Hillary not offer Obama at the Unity speech?

And if she loses the nomination to Obama at the Denver Convention in AUGUST 2008. (over a month in the FUTURE), then the write-in campaign will commence that night at the stroke of midnight.

There is no "getting over" the wrong man for this very important job. My memory keeps snapping back to the Clinton record on economy and it makes me feel at ease. So much so that a thousand red letter posts like yours have no effect. It's a nice feeling knowing that with another Clinton at the helm the greatest efforts in US history will once again be applied to turning our nation back into a strong and viable world force. I will be able to sleep at night. With Obama at the watch I'll be waking up like every 15 minutes thinking, "did he remember to turn off the stove?" "did he remember to brush his teeth?" "did he forget to put the cat out?" ...you get the picture..


You can't seriously believe half the things you say... and I mean that in the nicest way. ;)

Senator Barack Obama has way, WAY more than enough delegates and has even been endorsed by Senator Clinton herself. She has already been out campaigning for Senator Obama. Soon Bill Clinton will be on the stump for Senator Obama. I mean if you go on like this you'll have to be asking for a re-vote after Senator Obama wins the Presidency. That's how locked up his nomination is. :)

And don't forget there were basically just as many Democrats that wanted Senator Obama as wanted Senator Clinton... and due to Senator Clinton's high negatives it appears Independents and disenfranchised Republicans in large number endorsed Senator Obama.

You must have noticed the obvious that Rush Limbaugh and all the Radical Right Wingers on FOX wanted Hillary. They sooo wanted that rallying cry for their constituents.

I don't disagree that times were good under President Bill Clinton. I've posted that early & often. The obvious is that we need Democratic leadership again and ever ounce of energy should be put forward into defeating John McSame BADLY... so the mandate is clear.

I ask you to please join the movement for the greater good and let's all stop another Bush third term!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzvtzRFnW_4

[Sihouette]

Nope. I know the true numbers and no matter what you think you can convince me or other sane and thinking people to do, we will not place a nincompoop in the Oval Office when we are vulnerable and our economy is in the toilet.

Listen carefully to what I'm going to say: WE WILL NOT CHANCE OUR NATIONAL SECURITY FURTHER TO ANOTHER DOLT WHO SPEWS EMPTY CAMPAIGN PROMISES WE KNOW, INSTINCTIVELY, HE WILL NOT DELIVER ON.

Are we clear on that matter?

Now, to piss you off one more rung...we are calling each and every democrat disgusted with the choice of the divisive, less-qualified, less popular-votes Obama over the uniting, more-qualified, more popular Clinton, to D-E-N-Y sending any campaign contributions AT ALL to the democratic party between now and August. TO SEND A MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR that they may not steal our party from us.

Governor Ritter of Colorado is de facto a pro-life right republican AND HE WILL PRESIDE OVER THE FINAL VOTE ON THE NOMINATION..to which Hillary STILL HAS HER DELEGATES...

She still has them bro...sorry to inform you..:cool:

NO $$ for the democratic party. If they want to steal the party away with their sabotaging GOP candidate, then they can fund themselves...

Or I know, they can dip into that never-ending fund of "grassroots" donations from those struggling 20-somethings in the original primary base...you know...those kids who funded four times what Clinton was able to with more and more established supporters...

Yeah, the democratic party can get their money from there. They get their bribes from the same source anyway so it won't be a big change for them.

Next election, heads are gonna roll...

[top gun]

Nope. I know the true numbers and no matter what you think you can convince me or other sane and thinking people to do, we will not place a nincompoop in the Oval Office when we are vulnerable and our economy is in the toilet.

Listen carefully to what I'm going to say: WE WILL NOT CHANCE OUR NATIONAL SECURITY FURTHER TO ANOTHER DOLT WHO SPEWS EMPTY CAMPAIGN PROMISES WE KNOW, INSTINCTIVELY, HE WILL NOT DELIVER ON.

Are we clear on that matter?

Now, to piss you off one more rung...we are calling each and every democrat disgusted with the choice of the divisive, less-qualified, less popular-votes Obama over the uniting, more-qualified, more popular Clinton, to D-E-N-Y sending any campaign contributions AT ALL to the democratic party between now and August. TO SEND A MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR that they may not steal our party from us.

Governor Ritter of Colorado is de facto a pro-life right republican AND HE WILL PRESIDE OVER THE FINAL VOTE ON THE NOMINATION..to which Hillary STILL HAS HER DELEGATES...

She still has them bro...sorry to inform you..:cool:

NO $$ for the democratic party. If they want to steal the party away with their sabotaging GOP candidate, then they can fund themselves...

Or I know, they can dip into that never-ending fund of "grassroots" donations from those struggling 20-somethings in the original primary base...you know...those kids who funded four times what Clinton was able to with more and more established supporters...

Yeah, the democratic party can get their money from there. They get their bribes from the same source anyway so it won't be a big change for them.

Next election, heads are gonna roll...

My friend you're not pissing me off.... I feel for ya though.

You do realize that Senator Obama is raking in money hand over fist. So much so he turned down Federal Campaign Funds.

There is absolutely zero way unless God forbid something were to physically happen to Senator Obama that anyone else will be running against John McBush in November.

I wish you were on board but I understand... you really liked Hillary.

At some point when you realize that it really is Senator Obama v. John McBush I hope you'll join the rest of the Democratic Party and support our nominee. Hillary would have been very competent as President... as will Senator Obama.

Wishing you the best of everything! Hope you'll join the crowd in the YouTubes below...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFQGNdv0cYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRQjTWmw0OM[/COLOR]

[NO Obamanation]

My friend you're not pissing me off.... I feel for ya though.

You do realize that Senator Obama is raking in money hand over fist. So much so he turned down Federal Campaign Funds.

There is absolutely zero way unless God forbid something were to physically happen to Senator Obama that anyone else will be running against John McBush in November.

I wish you were on board but I understand... you really liked Hillary.

At some point when you realize that it really is Senator Obama v. John McBush I hope you'll join the rest of the Democratic Party and support our nominee. Hillary would have been very competent as President... as will Senator Obama.

Wishing you the best of everything! Hope you'll join the crowd in the YouTubes below...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFQGNdv0cYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRQjTWmw0OM[/COLOR]

I did not see any reports, what did Obama rake in for June? I got an email from his camp.... a few emails actually asking for money before June ends to show that not taking Federal dollars will pay off. Did he ever announce what he got for June?

[Sihouette]

Not yet to my knowledge. I got an email from his camp begging for anything near the last days of June and towards midnight on the 30th.

They sounded desperate.

Which adds further to my theory that he was falsely propped up by GOP/BigMedia/BigOil not only on the Boob tube but also financially to win against Clinton.

Add that to the "democrat" who will preside over the August convention is a catholic pro-life de facto republican...and he has many "democratic" friends in high DNC places who agree with his support of liberal pro-choice Obama..you begin to see a picture forming: Sabotage and nothing short of it.

You see, the GOP knows one of the two still-viable democratic candidates will mean a definite change for their business-as-usual. They know one of them, if nominated in August, would be IMPOSSIBLE to beat because of her unifying characteristics from the left, to the middle and even to the right with republicans disgusted with the corruption with their party. And they know Obama is just too slick, too young and too inexperienced to gain the full trust of those important splinter groups of the democratic party. He is the anti-unifier...so naturally they propped him up against Clinton.

The corruption in the democratic party will be evident come August. Whoever still is on board for the unelectable Obama can be deduced to be either A: completely blind and/or stupid/delusionally "hopeful" or B: A republican plant in the democratic party specifically in place to sabotage our party.

Either way it doesn't bode well for their re-election. And we're making a list, we're checking it twice...gonna make a note of stupidity and vice..

So my message to delegates is: Consider Mr. Barack Obama as your nomination very, very carefully. Very carefully. Because if you ignore the uniting Clinton in favor of one who will divide and get us a loss in November, in spite of our numerous pleas and warnings, and plain common sense, we will hold you directly responsible not only for our loss, but in ultimately handing the reins over to an administration that will, in effect, place the final nails in the American vulnerability coffin. You will, via your stubborness or vice, be affecting the future of our entire nation for better or worse. You may go down in history books as the group of people responsible for the ruin and disintegration of the USA.

Think I'm exaggerating? Look at the stock market. Look at BigOil's hold. Look at freakish global-warming weather disasters piling up one atop the other at breakneck pace. Look at our strong enemies drooling and either anticipating an unprepared Obama or angry at overzealous McCain...either way it will spell trouble. We can, in my opinion and the opinion of many millions of others, only be saved by the proven grit and diplomacy of Hillary Clinton. And if you think a woman won't get us through, just remember Maggie Thatcher and how tough a Prime Minister she was...one of the toughest.. Hillary has been accused of being just as tough, but also smart and very resourceful; and has the bonus of having networked with the very people she needs to coordinate with to pull our country back from the edge of the cliff it teeters over.

If you nominate Obama, in spite of knowing or at least nervously suspecting the foregoing you are in fact passing a death sentence over the United States of America and in fact are anti-american and even an unwitting terrorist via wilfull neglect of your duties to make the right choice for the democratic party and ultimately the benefit of all the American people and the people's of the world.

[top gun]

Not yet to my knowledge. I got an email from his camp begging for anything near the last days of June and towards midnight on the 30th.

They sounded desperate.


Ok let's try this again.:)

Senator Obama could have accepted a HUGE amount of Federal Campaign Money. Senator Obama opted out because...

A) He doesn't want money to run his campaign.

B) He has raised unpreccedented amounts already and knows for sure he can raise much more than John McSame will just using Federal Funding.

Not a real hard answer is it? :)

Every request from every candidate every time stresses the importance and urgency of YOU sending in a donation. (I have a boat load of old ones here on my inbox from Hillary)

If you ever take Sales 101 that's called creating a sense of urgency. That's what fund raisers are paid to do.

Senator Obama is a great Christian Family Man well known as intellegant commanding a calm & rational deminor.

First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review
By FOX BUTTERFIELD, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: February 6, 1990

LEAD: The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.
The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.



John McSame thinks times are great let's just stay with the Bush plan possibly add in a little more war if possible. Oh... and not head of the Harvard Law review and a Constitutional Law professor... John McSame graduated from the Naval Academy in June 1958; he was fifth from the bottom in class rank, 894th out of 899.

So the choice is clear Senator Barack Obama is the one with the intelligence to lead America out of the shadow of the George Bush's in this world! (and in a recent poll he won big over John McSame on the question: Who would you like to have a beer with at your 4th of July picnic!!!):)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5G7yDiI4ZU

[pocketfullofshells]

McCain tried to opt out as well, but was told he could not opt in then get out when he wanted...so its not like made some moral stand...he just tried to have it both ways and got stoped from going back..

[Sihouette]

Suspend vs. end

12:00 AM CDT on Sunday, June 8, 2008

From wire reports

By announcing she will "suspend" her campaign, Hillary Rodham Clinton retains her delegates to the national convention and can continue to raise money to erase her large debt. She could reopen her campaign if, for instance, Barack Obama were hit by health problems or a scandal. But she gave no indication Saturday that was her intention.

From wire reports Source: http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-suspendbox_08pol.ART.State.Edition1.46d8a20.html

We hear a lot about unifying this and dividing that. But what we don't ever hear is the scenario if Clinton was nominated as the democratic candidate.

Let's let our minds explore the scenario:

She would gain all the majority of the votes on the far left. She would gain the majority of the votes on the near left, with ease. She would have nearly 100% of votes in the middle without lifting a finger. And she would rope in about half the votes of the near right with some effort, but not much given their disgust with their "choice" McCain. On top of that, with an easy win in November against McCain (childs-play, with both hands tied behind her back), she would bring to the Oval Office, experience, tenacity and a strong economic repeat of the last Clinton administration.

Not one reporter, not one GOP official, not one democrat will look you squarely in the face and deny that Clinton has the potential strength that I just outlined. Their eyes will dart around, they will change the subject, laugh nervously or even attack you as a diversion for bringing the subject up, but they cannot look you straight in the eye and deny the foregoing..

In contrast, Obama is losing votes on the far left (his one big hope) like fleas from a drowning dog. The near left is tenuously committed but skittish of his neocon moonlighting.. The middle is onto his act and is thinking "either stay home in November, Vote McCain or protest with a Hillary Write-In." The near right is thinking "anyone but Obama". On top of that, no matter if he gets the nomination or not, he will not win in November. The math, and his personality and lack of experience will assure that. Even if he somehow made the Oval Office through some miracle of God, he would bring inexperience, waffling and not one practial idea of how to bail our country out of the economic grindhalt it's in today.

Just some things for superdelegates to consider before August..

[Sihouette]

This is kinda fun to look at. Today, a prominant irate Obama supporter posted this list of sexist summations of Hillary supporters. They are very much in line with the type of sexist comments routinely dished out in BigMedia while it was actively promoting Obama on behalf of the covert GOP agenda to put a defeatable stooge in the nomination over a feared opponent: Clinton.

Here's the source: http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/20893/ripping-off-the-hillary-band-aid/#disqus_thread

"Hillary’s supporters (large numbers of them women)"
"a dark, angry cloud"
"this pack of doomsaying crows"
" These wraiths of primary past "
"the true dead enders in every sense of the word."
"the sullen bunch"
"masochistic delight"
"this oppressive shadow"
"crouching"
"this poison"
"this thorn to fester"

*******
Bear in mind, this woman, yes, woman, supports Obama rabidly in his campaign for change. And yet these sexist comments really do sum up the old tired and repetitive type of derisions shovelled towards the worlds largest minority group: women.

This is business as usual and just goes to show that the type of people who support Obama are clearly unstable, conflicted and have risen to influential postions in supposedly moderate blogsites. It supports my theory that either extreme, right or left, cannot be trusted to run our country. If a woman can turn on women, and their "black" candidate can turn on "fellow" minorities in Chicago, then who knows what will happen if he takes office with the people behind him like this?

Seek the middle people. It's where the sane people live.

[Sihouette]

The sad dialogue continues as Obama supporters continue to defend sexism. Read the latest posts:

http://themoderatevoice.com/entertainment/cartoons/20917/hillary-a-heroin-for-women-taken-down-by-male-dominated-media/#disqus_thread

And read about how deep male-dominated media goes...clear into its female members.

[top gun]

We hear a lot about unifying this and dividing that. But what we don't ever hear is the scenario if Clinton was nominated as the democratic candidate.

Let's let our minds explore the scenario:

She would gain all the majority of the votes on the far left. She would gain the majority of the votes on the near left, with ease. She would have nearly 100% of votes in the middle without lifting a finger. And she would rope in about half the votes of the near right with some effort, but not much given their disgust with their "choice" McCain. On top of that, with an easy win in November against McCain (childs-play, with both hands tied behind her back), she would bring to the Oval Office, experience, tenacity and a strong economic repeat of the last Clinton administration.

Not one reporter, not one GOP official, not one democrat will look you squarely in the face and deny that Clinton has the potential strength that I just outlined. Their eyes will dart around, they will change the subject, laugh nervously or even attack you as a diversion for bringing the subject up, but they cannot look you straight in the eye and deny the foregoing..

In contrast, Obama is losing votes on the far left (his one big hope) like fleas from a drowning dog. The near left is tenuously committed but skittish of his neocon moonlighting.. The middle is onto his act and is thinking "either stay home in November, Vote McCain or protest with a Hillary Write-In." The near right is thinking "anyone but Obama". On top of that, no matter if he gets the nomination or not, he will not win in November. The math, and his personality and lack of experience will assure that. Even if he somehow made the Oval Office through some miracle of God, he would bring inexperience, waffling and not one practial idea of how to bail our country out of the economic grindhalt it's in today.

Just some things for superdelegates to consider before August..

Hey I like Hillary just fine. She ran hard, fought hard. Senator Obama is going to be the Democratic nominee... simple as that. He won the delegates... that was the rules going in. Nothing has changed or will change or for that matter should change.

Hillary Clinton gives Senator Obama her full support because SHE understands the rules and plays within their guidelines. Senator Obama has shown great respect for Senator Clinton as he should!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdOmfp_ywGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVr028lMXVg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBM28mt1cpg

It's a great day for the Democratic Party!!! :)

[Sihouette]

You are aware that superdelegates are by no means bound to their "pledge" so that the DNC could "get on with the business of naming a nominee for the GOP to shoot down"?

The final vote is in August. That is the only binding vote. People change their minds with new facts, as they should; it's called sanity.

[Sihouette]

Your post does bring up an interesting subject about Obama's words of praise for Clinton and how he bases even higher praise for himself..

[Clinton] would be worthy as a nominee. Now, I think I'd be better. Otherwise, I wouldn't be running. But there's no doubt that Senator Clinton is qualified and capable and would be a much better president than John McCain,..

..So I don't think that Senator Clinton has to answer a question as to whether she's capable of being president or our standard bearer.

I will say this, that the reason I think I'm better as the nominee is that I can bring this country together I think in a unique way, across divisions of race, religion, region. And that is what's going to be required in order for us to actually deliver on the issues that both Senator Clinton and I care so much about.

And I also think I have a track record, starting from the days I moved to Chicago as a community organizer, when I was in my 20s, on through my work in state government, on through my work as a United States senator, I think I bring a unique bias in favor of opening up government, pushing back special interests, making government more accountable so that the American people can have confidence that their voice is being heard.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26text-debate.html?pagewanted=all

To wit:

Hillary Clinton has vastly more potential to unite millions more people than Obama could ever hope to. And with each passing day as the economy worsens, the Clinton legacy of having forged the strongest economy in US history will only result in her ability to unite even more people than even I could imagine.

As to Obama's second reason he thinks he is more qualified....just read this about what he actually did for minorities in Chicago, four aspiring ones to be specific, and you can see he is disqualified for his second self-pat on the back as best nominee. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story

So if you take into account that both of Obama's self-proclaimed assets that vault him over Clinton for best pick are mirages, pure fallicies, nonviable, you have essentially Obama himself agreeing that Clinton is the better pick.

Think about it. ;)

[top gun]

Your post does bring up an interesting subject about Obama's words of praise for Clinton...
To wit:

Hillary Clinton has vastly more potential to unite millions more people than Obama could ever hope to.

If by uniting more people you mean Republicans & neo-cons I agree... but that's not what we want is it?

If by somehow blindly thinking you could steal away the Obama nomination and not completely alienate at the very least all African American voters and many on the far Left that you absolutely must have on board to win... then that's just bad strategy.

If you look not at Hillary Clintons SUPER high negatives across the board when including all voters and not just Democrats... and also fail to admit there was a reason why Rush Limbaugh and every other Hard Right talker begged for Hillary to PLEASE get the Democratic nomination... then you probably make a somewhat compelling case.

But we both know the truth and the truth is Hillary was no lock at all... and we now need to unite around our excellent presumptive nominee Senator Barack Obama just as our delegates have.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0245oE7vPVM

[Sihouette]

If you look not at Hillary Clintons SUPER high negatives across the board when including all voters and not just Democrats... and also fail to admit there was a reason why Rush Limbaugh and every other Hard Right talker begged for Hillary to PLEASE get the Democratic nomination... then you probably make a somewhat compelling case.

This is why it's so important to have an older person running the show rather than a younger one. Ever hear of "the kiss of death?" Imagine someone knowing they would polarize an opposing group by endorsing a person nefariously in order to drive people away from them.

Let me illustrate: My daughter listened to vulgar rap music and no kind suggestion I'd make or other music provided to her would change her. So what did I do? I started listening to it exclusively when she was in the car with me. I had to bite my lip and just bear it, more than that I would learn the lyrics and sing along. I'd even have it playing in the house when she was coming home from highschool...I'd be gyrating and dancing all around while I was doing laundry or what have you.

A couple of weeks later she no longer listed to this style of music. It was intolerable to her...to have her mother cling to a favored style polarlized her directly away from it. The reverse psychology thing worked like a charm.

Are savvy politicians and talking heads knowledgeable and capable of this type of social psychology? Certainly. Absolutely. And if Rush gave Hillary his stamp of approval then it only furthers my assertion that they (GOP) feared her candidacy enough to resort to such tactics.

They fear her. Mark my words. They know she can unify and deliver on her message of change, unlike the other dem candidate...

[top gun]

This is why it's so important to have an older person running the show rather than a younger one. Ever hear of "the kiss of death?" Imagine someone knowing they would polarize an opposing group by endorsing a person nefariously in order to drive people away from them.

Let me illustrate: My daughter listened to vulgar rap music and no kind suggestion I'd