Bush calls to end ban on off shore drilling.

[Andy]

Wow, and here I thought he couldn't do anything to improve my view of him. Nicely done Mr. President!

Bush Calls for End to Ban on Offshore Oil Drilling (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/washington/19drill.html?ref=politics)

[NO Obamanation]

Wow, and here I thought he couldn't do anything to improve my view of him. Nicely done Mr. President!

Bush Calls for End to Ban on Offshore Oil Drilling (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/washington/19drill.html?ref=politics)

Yeah, that was a nice thing to hear. Now let's see if that pathetic group they call a congress will help or hurt the situation.

[calidem411]

Bush is working really hard to help his oil buddies. It's not enough to have Mobil making billions of dollars and to have all the american people paying almost $ 5.00 a gallon. :mad: This guy is the stupidist person that I've ever known.
I wonder how much will his buddies pay him under the table after he leaves the office.:mad:

[Popeye]

Yeah, that was a nice thing to hear. Now let's see if that pathetic group they call a congress will help or hurt the situation.


Bush and McCain know this pandering BS is going absolutely nowhere in a Democratic Congress. Heck, even Arnold, down in Ca., came out today and said he opposes offshore drilling.

BTW, last quarter Exxon listed the highest quarterly profits in U.S. corporate history ($11.66 billion), as well as record-high annual profits of $40.66 billion in 2007.

[BigRob]

Bush is working really hard to help his oil buddies. It's not enough to have Mobil making billions of dollars and to have all the american people paying almost $ 5.00 a gallon. :mad: This guy is the stupidist person that I've ever known.
I wonder how much will his buddies pay him under the table after he leaves the office.:mad:

Upping the supply typically lowers the price Mr. Economics. (Depending on demand of course) That said, if supply remains constant and demand continues to increase the price will go up. If we drill and demand continues to increase the price will still go up, maybe just a bit more slowly. At least he is making an effort, added to this is the fact that this drilling will create American jobs.

Mobil is making billions of dollars because demand has rocketed up and supply has remained steady, not because they are somehow intentionally "raping" the American public for money.

[BigRob]

Bush and McCain know this pandering BS is going absolutely nowhere in a Democratic Congress. Heck, even Arnold, down in Ca., came out today and said he opposes offshore drilling.

BTW, last quarter Exxon listed the highest quarterly profits in U.S. corporate history ($11.66 billion), as well as record-high annual profits of $40.66 billion in 2007.

Arnold came out and said that because his state opposes it for the most part, because California is full of environmentalists. He is sticking up for his state as he should.

That said, these people who worry that this drilling is going to mess up the coastline are bogus. Off shore drilling has been going on in the Gulf of Mexico for years with no problems. And those in Florida ignore the Chinese companies drilling 20 miles off their shore off the coast of Cuba.

[NO Obamanation]

Bush and McCain know this pandering BS is going absolutely nowhere in a Democratic Congress. Heck, even Arnold, down in Ca., came out today and said he opposes offshore drilling.

BTW, last quarter Exxon listed the highest quarterly profits in U.S. corporate history ($11.66 billion), as well as record-high annual profits of $40.66 billion in 2007.

And the Federal Government is RAPING us for 10 times that amount for doing nothing, absolutely nothing. They don’t drill it, they don’t pay employees, and they don’t refine it. They do nothing.

The oil companies make 6-9 percent profit on each gallon of gas, how much profit should they be allowed to make per gallon?

If you want a socialist country to live in, where mommy government runs your life and every business out there, just look around there are many to pick from.


What do you call a group of people who complain that we do business with Saudi Arabia by buying their oil?

And then that same group complains that the cost of the oil we buy from Saudi Arabia is too high?

But that same group complains again at the thought of us drilling our own oil on our own land, when we have more of it than Saudi Arabia?


A. Democrat

B Insane

C constant complainer

D All of the above

[BigRob]

BTW, last quarter Exxon listed the highest quarterly profits in U.S. corporate history ($11.66 billion), as well as record-high annual profits of $40.66 billion in 2007.

Exxon also paid over $30 Billion in taxes in 2007 to a government that did a grand total of nothing to drill, refine, ship, or in anyway helped bring any gas to the consumer.

[NO Obamanation]

Exxon also paid over $30 Billion in taxes in 2007 to a government that did a grand total of nothing to drill, refine, ship, or in anyway helped bring any gas to the consumer.

Ah thank you Rob, I was looking for those numbers and got tired of searchin, For me the internet is like in a good will store, I can never find what I am looking for but the people around me always do.

[Popeye]

Exxon also paid over $30 Billion in taxes in 2007 to a government that did a grand total of nothing to drill, refine, ship, or in anyway helped bring any gas to the consumer.

Yeah poor little Exxon Mobil, the largest private oil company in the world. In 2007 they only made a paltry $1252 a second or $111 million a day.

I admit it must be rough to keep a company afloat on such meager returns. Maybe if Exxon reined in the money they've been paying to AGW deniers they might be in better shape. Face it, Exxon Mobil stands for one thing...greed. Excuse me, two things...greed and pollution.

[NO Obamanation]

Yeah poor little Exxon Mobil, the largest private oil company in the world. In 2007 they only made a paltry $1252 a second or $111 million a day.

I admit it must be rough to keep a company afloat on such meager returns. Maybe if Exxon reined in the money they've been paying to AGW deniers they might be in better shape. Face it, Exxon Mobil stands for one thing...greed. Excuse me, two things...greed and pollution.

Greed?

I think the people who expect them to pay thier way would be the greedy ones. THEY ARE SUPPORTING YOU and ME WITH AN UNFAIR TAX BURDON.

Pollution?

They sell it to YOU and to ME, it is YOU and ME who make the pollution.

[BigRob]

Yeah poor little Exxon Mobil, the largest private oil company in the world. In 2007 they only made a paltry $1252 a second or $111 million a day.

I admit it must be rough to keep a company afloat on such meager returns. Maybe if Exxon reined in the money they've been paying to AGW deniers they might be in better shape. Face it, Exxon Mobil stands for one thing...greed. Excuse me, two things...greed and pollution.

I was unaware we punished business for being successful in this country. Want some of their profits, buy there stock, I did.

[Popeye]

Greed?

I think the people who expect them to pay thier way would be the greedy ones. THEY ARE SUPPORTING YOU and ME WITH AN UNFAIR TAX BURDON.

Pollution?

They sell it to YOU and to ME, it is YOU and ME who make the pollution. Considering Exxon earned some $40 billion last year and made record profits just last quarter, it would be interesting to have you explain just how you can call any amount of tax Exxon pays a "burden"

I was unaware we punished business for being successful in this country. Want some of their profits, buy there stock, I did.

Ok, Exxon is successful, but just as you claim they shouldn't be punished, they also shouldn't be handed the keys to the country to drill, rape and spread their deadly poisonous ways. Believe it or not, drilling causes environmental damage. I ask you again...is there no place that is off limits to big oil?

[BigRob]

Considering Exxon earned some $40 billion last year and made record profits just last quarter, it would be interesting to have you explain just how you can call any amount of tax Exxon pays a "burden"

What burden did the government take? Did they fund exploration or research and development? They still felt the need to take $30 Billion dollars. Exxon does not control the price of gas either. While Exxon is not going to go bankrupt, they are taking loads of unfair attacks in my view.



Ok, Exxon is successful, but just as you claim they shouldn't be punished, they also shouldn't be handed the keys to the country to drill, rape and spread their deadly poisonous ways. Believe it or not, drilling causes environmental damage. I ask you again...is there no place that is off limits to big oil?

No one is saying hand them the keys to the world. The debate over ANWR centers on an area that no one visits, and further would leave 99.9% of ANWR untouched. I do not see the harm in created US jobs to drill there.

With gas prices being what they are choices are going to have to be made. Do people value an artic tundra they will never see and that 99.9% of will not be effected over US jobs and a potential decrease in the price of gasoline?

And in my own personal opinion, I think that oil, when it becomes economically viable to drill, should be drilled. I think the trade off between small amounts of damage to the environment and our need for oil is acceptable, obviously I assume you would disagree on this issue.

[Dr.Who]

Bush is working really hard to help his oil buddies. It's not enough to have Mobil making billions of dollars and to have all the american people paying almost $ 5.00 a gallon. :mad: This guy is the stupidist person that I've ever known.
I wonder how much will his buddies pay him under the table after he leaves the office.:mad:

Judging people based on pure speculation, prejudice, and hate is not an admirable quality.

[Dr.Who]

BTW, last quarter Exxon listed the highest quarterly profits in U.S. corporate history ($11.66 billion), as well as record-high annual profits of $40.66 billion in 2007. If you can show us that they made this money through illegal activities then we should have them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. if they have been receiving kickbacks from the governement then these should stop. Otherwise, what's your point? Are you even analyzing the figures correctly?

[Libsmasher]

Yeah poor little Exxon Mobil, the largest private oil company in the world. In 2007 they only made a paltry $1252 a second or $111 million a day.

I admit it must be rough to keep a company afloat on such meager returns. Maybe if Exxon reined in the money they've been paying to AGW deniers they might be in better shape. Face it, Exxon Mobil stands for one thing...greed. Excuse me, two things...greed and pollution.

When you're talking about greed, nothing exceeds the greed of government. Government greed makes exxon look like Mother Teresa by comparison. :D

[Bunz]

Exxon also paid over $30 Billion in taxes in 2007 to a government that did a grand total of nothing to drill, refine, ship, or in anyway helped bring any gas to the consumer.

Ill point out that it has taken the state of Alaska bringing Exxon to court to revoke thier leases on the Pt. Thompson field because they have never moved to develop the resource despite thier promises to do so 20 something different times. Now they are saying they will drill. But who knows. It is long rumored and accused that Exxon has been sitting on this to limit supply to the consumer. Government money played a huge role in the development of the TAP.

[Bunz]

Probably next Monday, 6/23 or 6/30 the decision will come down from the USSC concerning the Exxon Valdez judgement against Exxon. I have little problem with other producers, especially BP and Conoco Phillips. Who have been overall good stewards of the resources entrusted to them, and friendly good corporate citizens overall.
Exxon though in comparison have proven themselves to be hard to deal with, disengenious and with zero focus on thier end product consumers and employees when compared to thier shareholders.

[NO Obamanation]

Probably next Monday, 6/23 or 6/30 the decision will come down from the USSC concerning the Exxon Valdez judgement against Exxon. I have little problem with other producers, especially BP and Conoco Phillips. Who have been overall good stewards of the resources entrusted to them, and friendly good corporate citizens overall.
Exxon though in comparison have proven themselves to be hard to deal with, disengenious and with zero focus on thier end product consumers and employees when compared to thier shareholders.

Can a state decide who they will work with?

Can Alaska say no to Exxon and yes to one of the others. If they cant, they should change the rules so they can. Either Exxon would shape up or ship out

[NO Obamanation]

Ill point out that it has taken the state of Alaska bringing Exxon to court to revoke thier leases on the Pt. Thompson field because they have never moved to develop the resource despite thier promises to do so 20 something different times. Now they are saying they will drill. But who knows. It is long rumored and accused that Exxon has been sitting on this to limit supply to the consumer. Government money played a huge role in the development of the TAP.

Why is the government paying for any of it? and what government? state or fed.

the feds soak them in taxes so it wouldn't be so bad if they paid but the state who also soaks more or less owns the land and the oil, they should be getting some thing not paying.

[texas-vet]

It is really amazing how completely blinded some people are when it comes to PRESIDENT Bush or his polocies. He wants to do something to ease the constant complaining from the left about gas prices. When he does, they can't stand with America if it shines a better light on him. You people are pathetic when you sell your own country out just to appease a leftist democrat agenda.

[NO Obamanation]

It is really amazing how completely blinded some people are when it comes to PRESIDENT Bush or his polocies. He wants to do something to ease the constant complaining from the left about gas prices. When he does, they can't stand with America if it shines a better light on him. You people are pathetic when you sell your own country out just to appease a leftist democrat agenda.

Hmm was that directed to me?

[Andy]

Bush is working really hard to help his oil buddies. It's not enough to have Mobil making billions of dollars and to have all the american people paying almost $ 5.00 a gallon. :mad: This guy is the stupidist person that I've ever known.
I wonder how much will his buddies pay him under the table after he leaves the office.:mad:

Um... how does this help the situation? To quote... 'wah wah'. Now how does that help ANYTHING?

Ok so what you suggest to help the oil market?

[Andy]

Yeah poor little Exxon Mobil, the largest private oil company in the world. In 2007 they only made a paltry $1252 a second or $111 million a day.

I admit it must be rough to keep a company afloat on such meager returns. Maybe if Exxon reined in the money they've been paying to AGW deniers they might be in better shape. Face it, Exxon Mobil stands for one thing...greed. Excuse me, two things...greed and pollution.

Again, none of this helps the situation. You are saying in essence... wah wah... ok... now looky... we're still in the same situation!

You want to cut Exxons profits? Here do this... flood the market with crude oil by opening all land for drilling and exploration, and the price of crude oil will drop through the floor... then they will not earn much off it.

Or you can stick with your plan, where because of constrained oil production, the price of crude oil continues to rise, and the oil companies make billions more.

Which plan do you want?

[Andy]

Considering Exxon earned some $40 billion last year and made record profits just last quarter, it would be interesting to have you explain just how you can call any amount of tax Exxon pays a "burden"

They paid billions in taxes. They are paying a fair share. Saying that simply because they earned so much more than they paid is the same as claiming that I only paid $4 thousand last year, and made 5 times that, I must be greed and not paying enough.

Ok, Exxon is successful, but just as you claim they shouldn't be punished, they also shouldn't be handed the keys to the country to drill, rape and spread their deadly poisonous ways. Believe it or not, drilling causes environmental damage. I ask you again...is there no place that is off limits to big oil?

See this is the most crazy backwards way of looking at things. Wake up! It is DUE to US not allowing them to drill, that causes supply to remain stagnate, while demand increases.... therefore... we have cause the high oil prices that we are currently paying.

So you... preventing them from drilling... are causing the high prices. Why do you not get this? Why is this so hard? Does NOBODY KNOW ECONOMICS?! Public education in America is really crappy it seems.

Worse yet, the moment someone has a proposal to fix the issue... everyone attacks them. "Duh... your plan might work... YOU SUCK!" What stupidity is this? You WANT to pay high gas prices?

[Andy]

Ill point out that it has taken the state of Alaska bringing Exxon to court to revoke thier leases on the Pt. Thompson field because they have never moved to develop the resource despite thier promises to do so 20 something different times. Now they are saying they will drill. But who knows. It is long rumored and accused that Exxon has been sitting on this to limit supply to the consumer. Government money played a huge role in the development of the TAP.

How long have they had the lease? One of the big issues with these large companies, and perhaps someone else can better explain... but if I understand it right, these companies are broken into parts in order to avoid are ignorant anti-trust laws. If a company owns the wells, the pipes, the refinery, the distribution, and the gas stations... that's considered a monopoly.

Thus, companies have to separate into units. Exxon drilling and exploration is nearly a different company, with it's own overhead and income and capital. So it's possible during the time where crude whole sale was cheap, they didn't have the capital to develop this land. Now obviously, since the price of crude is huge, the money is there to develop these locations.

Another possibility is that environmental regulations and fees, made developing the land unprofitable till now, which is why now they are.

What government money is Exxon receiving? Or maybe I'm not following what you said.

[Andy]

Probably next Monday, 6/23 or 6/30 the decision will come down from the USSC concerning the Exxon Valdez judgement against Exxon. I have little problem with other producers, especially BP and Conoco Phillips. Who have been overall good stewards of the resources entrusted to them, and friendly good corporate citizens overall.
Exxon though in comparison have proven themselves to be hard to deal with, disengenious and with zero focus on thier end product consumers and employees when compared to thier shareholders.

I'm their shareholder. I like that. I want the company doing what's best to make money, since it's my cash capital they are using to do it. Everyone who has a 401K, likely has tons of money in these companies. I don't want to bending over and taking from government. I want them to fight to protect my investment in their company, and I want them producing the best possible product, which they do, which is why they are number one!

When they are successful... I'm successful. What better way to fuel my car, than knowing I'm getting a slice of their profits.

[Bunz]

How long have they had the lease? One of the big issues with these large companies, and perhaps someone else can better explain... but if I understand it right, these companies are broken into parts in order to avoid are ignorant anti-trust laws. If a company owns the wells, the pipes, the refinery, the distribution, and the gas stations... that's considered a monopoly.
I know where you are going with this, the pipe is owned by TAPS usually. Other contract/ownership companies do other things. There is no question of monopoly. It was the CEO of major oil field contractor VECO that bribed at least 3 state lawmakers which has led to a major scandal that was happening in Alaska a 12-24 months ago. Lead to over 6 felony convictions ranging from CEO Bill Allen(who was already quite famous in Alaska and overall well liked) to 2 state reps and 1 senator. A much wider investigation is still taking place that could reach the US Senate.

Thus, companies have to separate into units. Exxon drilling and exploration is nearly a different company, with it's own overhead and income and capital. So it's possible during the time where crude whole sale was cheap, they didn't have the capital to develop this land. Now obviously, since the price of crude is huge, the money is there to develop these locations.
Exxon Mobil owns the majority of the leases at Pt Thompson and has owned them for at least 25 years. They did have the capital to develop it, what this really boils down to is the lawsuit over the spill.

Another possibility is that environmental regulations and fees, made developing the land unprofitable till now, which is why now they are.

What government money is Exxon receiving? Or maybe I'm not following what you said.
The State of Alaska is fetching up $500m and a fast track on any land issues and helping with the necessary infastructure to put in place the Alaska Gasline that will bring 35trillion cubic feet of natgas into the midwest, and bring the oil pipeline back to capacity, along with I am sure plenty of further investment through the PermFund.
The State of Alaska has bent over backwards to providing a resource to Americans through third party companies such as BP, Conoco, and Exxon who have taken 15bill barrels of oil so far.

[Bunz]

I'm their shareholder. I like that. I want the company doing what's best to make money, since it's my cash capital they are using to do it. Everyone who has a 401K, likely has tons of money in these companies. I don't want to bending over and taking from government. I want them to fight to protect my investment in their company, and I want them producing the best possible product, which they do, which is why they are number one!

When they are successful... I'm successful. What better way to fuel my car, than knowing I'm getting a slice of their profits.

Fair enough, I have nothing with you owning stock. Ultimately, the attitude and corporate practices they have undertaken in Alaska is hurting thier bottom line. They are going to lose the biggest untapped oil field outside of ANWR in America because of it. Shell on the other hand is fairly new to the state but has behaved themselves to this point, and it is rumored they will buy up the soon to be revoked leases.

[Andy]

I know where you are going with this, the pipe is owned by TAPS usually. Other contract/ownership companies do other things. There is no question of monopoly. It was the CEO of major oil field contractor VECO that bribed at least 3 state lawmakers which has led to a major scandal that was happening in Alaska a 12-24 months ago. Lead to over 6 felony convictions ranging from CEO Bill Allen(who was already quite famous in Alaska and overall well liked) to 2 state reps and 1 senator. A much wider investigation is still taking place that could reach the US Senate.

That's all great. It really is. To me this shows that our legal system is working. I am a bit confused by why $500 million given to Clinton during the 90s as a 'consultant' was never questioned, when he never spent a single day at the corporate offices... but, that said, all these people should be nailed to the wall, and rightfully are.

Granted, I actually don't support the laws against money given to politicians by corporations. The reason is, I would rather have the exchange of money be open and public, than have laws that cause money to be exchanged through hidden means. I would rather know a politician is getting paid by X company, than have them get paid in back room deal and not know, and hope there's an off chance the FBI finds them. Look at some of the politicos in the Senate even now who have all their income through blind trust funds... as in, someone is paying them, but we have no idea who...

Not sure what this had to do with drilling though.

Exxon Mobil owns the majority of the leases at Pt Thompson and has owned them for at least 25 years. They did have the capital to develop it, what this really boils down to is the lawsuit over the spill.

I guess my point was, that if these leases are held by Pt Thompson, then if Pt Thompson doesn't have the capital, it doesn't matter what Exxon has. (assuming that have a split corp setup)

For example, when I worked at Wendy's, the Wendy's Int. Corp. Was making record income, but my specific store was barely making a profit. As such, the management at the Wendy's I worked at, couldn't afford any pay increases, regardless of what the corporate office was doing. Each Wendy's store was "make or break" on an individual basis. If Exxon does the same with it's satellite companies, then Exxon's net profits are irrelevant.

Of course, this is all speculation based on economics. It's a stab in the dark because no other information is available.

How exactly did the oil spill have anything to do with prevent drilling? Did the lawsuit prevent further exploration and drilling?

The State of Alaska is fetching up $500m and a fast track on any land issues and helping with the necessary infastructure to put in place the Alaska Gasline that will bring 35trillion cubic feet of natgas into the midwest, and bring the oil pipeline back to capacity, along with I am sure plenty of further investment through the PermFund.
The State of Alaska has bent over backwards to providing a resource to Americans through third party companies such as BP, Conoco, and Exxon who have taken 15bill barrels of oil so far.

I agree with fast track, assuming I understand it correctly as simply cutting red tape that prevents such deals from happening for years.

I disagree with the Federal government taking money from tax payers, to give to specific group of people for personal use. In fact, I'd suggest it isn't constitutional. Further, I disagree with federally held land, except for military and government functional use, which I believe this is constitutional as well.

That said, none of this really answers my question. Companies don't do things that benefit the company for a reason. A: there's no money in it. B: it isn't possible. C: There is too much risk. D: The taxes and regulations end up preventing it from being profitable.

It has to be one of these. Is it possible that the reason VECO was spending so much cash to change a law, is because under the current tax law, drilling and exploring wasn't profitable there, which is why they haven't done it yet?

[Andy]

Fair enough, I have nothing with you owning stock. Ultimately, the attitude and corporate practices they have undertaken in Alaska is hurting thier bottom line. They are going to lose the biggest untapped oil field outside of ANWR in America because of it. Shell on the other hand is fairly new to the state but has behaved themselves to this point, and it is rumored they will buy up the soon to be revoked leases.

The problem with Shell is, they blow too much money on alternative sources of energy, none of which have a snow balls chance in... some place warm. As a result, Exxon is the de-facto leader in the oil industry for their novel approach of.... selling oil... given they are an oil company. (shocking idea).

As far as it relates to this discussion... knowing Exxon, if they could make money in Alaska, they would have.

[Sihouette]

1. 911 (give the excuse for Big Oil to initiate the hostile corporate takeover of the Middle East)

2. The ensuing war and establishment of the US puppet goverment there: (excuse to raise gas prices artificially, while claiming legitimacy based on "supply and demand" and "we're at war".

3. Puppet government allows all the US Big Oil corporations back in business just before Bush leaves office.

Wow, If I didn't know any better I'd think the whole thing was rigged by Big Oil Executive.

Oh, I forgot

5. George Bush SR. Head of covert ops at the CIA for years.

6. Bush family's main income: Big Oil...

You think....

nah...just a coincidence.. It's not gas you're pumping into your tank, it's the blood of fallen soldiers and Iraqui citizens.

If there is a Hell...I know who's on the Concord Jet headed there..

[Andy]

1. 911 (give the excuse for Big Oil to initiate the hostile corporate takeover of the Middle East)

False.

2. The ensuing war and establishment of the US puppet goverment there: (excuse to raise gas prices artificially, while claiming legitimacy based on "supply and demand" and "we're at war".

No one is artificially raising gas prices... it's called supply and demand. Learn some economics.

3. Puppet government allows all the US Big Oil corporations back in business just before Bush leaves office.

The puppet government which in the past kept making choices that drove our government nutz? Not much of a puppet. It's almost like their autonomous or something.

Wow, If I didn't know any better I'd think the whole thing was rigged by Big Oil Executive.

You got that right... you don't know any better. Which is why you believe silly quasi-theories.

5. George Bush SR. Head of covert ops at the CIA for years.


Completely irrelevant like the rest of this post.

6. Bush family's main income: Big Oil...

Right, that's about as ignorant a thought, I have heard yet. If their main income was oil profits, then opening new land drill and produce oil which would (supply and demand) increase supply and drop price, would be the least intelligent thing to do. This is so obviously stupid, I can't believe you actually posted it.

If Bush was getting oil profits, the best choice he could make would be to increase restrictions on oil production, thereby keeping supply low, and price high, resulting in higher price and billions made. Open general question: Is there anyone here that thinks before they post?

nah...just a coincidence.. It's not gas you're pumping into your tank, it's the blood of fallen soldiers and Iraqui citizens.

Iraqis that love us, and want us there till the job is done. And our soldiers that know they are making the world a safer place, thank you very much.

[Sihouette]

Oh riggggghhhhhttt.

BigOil isn't/hasn't artificially inflated the price of crude oil to manipulate the public...ever...They're not in bed with those folks who set the prices on crude...OK....check.

Thanks for enlightening me. I sometimes forget how honest and benevolent BigOil really is. After all, they've done us the favor for many decades now of keeping us from R&Ding those "silly" energy alternative systems for domestic and transportation and industry use. Thank goodness we've had them all these many years to tell us how it is and keep us hamstrung and dependant on their hugely profitable foreign oil operations..

God Bless Big Oil!

[GenSeneca]

God Bless Big Oil!

I take it you have completely eliminated all things oil related from your life?
Didn't think so...

How "Green" are you anyway? Can't be 100%, computers are made with parts that came from Oil and you use the Computer. The "dependence" crowd needs to become energy independent on the individual level, on their own, and then they can preach to me about how its done. If we really wanted energy independence, we would aim to find ways to make individuals energy indepenent - not the collective.

[Andy]

Oh riggggghhhhhttt.

BigOil isn't/hasn't artificially inflated the price of crude oil to manipulate the public...ever...They're not in bed with those folks who set the prices on crude...OK....check.

Um... yeah, that's right! They just sell the crude on a WORLD market... just like everyone else, and the price is caused by SUPPLY AND DEMAND, on the market... just like everything else.

See what you would have to claim, is that every single oil producing company and oil well owner in the entire world all got together, every single one of them from every nation, and said... let's raise oil! Bull. Wake up and learn some economics.

Thanks for enlightening me. I sometimes forget how honest and benevolent BigOil really is. After all, they've done us the favor for many decades now of keeping us from R&Ding those "silly" energy alternative systems for domestic and transportation and industry use. Thank goodness we've had them all these many years to tell us how it is and keep us hamstrung and dependant on their hugely profitable foreign oil operations..

God Bless Big Oil!

Ignorant stupidity... If you were stupid enough to save up your money to pay someone to research 'energy alternatives' what in blasted world could the oil companies do to stop you from being stupid? NOTHING FOREST!

The reason why so little money is spent on alternative energy is because... THEY SUCK! Are you a public school student? This would explain the ignorance here.

Oil companies are not benevolent... they simply sell a product... that's it. Why do you think they should be? And again.. oil companies don't set the price... it's a free market. Go learn some economics. You clearly know nothing or you wouldn't randomly whine here.

[Dr.Who]

Oh riggggghhhhhttt.

BigOil isn't/hasn't artificially inflated the price of crude oil to manipulate the public...ever...They're not in bed with those folks who set the prices on crude...OK....check.


If you are going to spend so much time slandering people it might be nice to back up what you say.

If they are doing something wrong by all means let's prosecute them. If not then you shouldn't say bad things without reason.