Did Obama really have gay sex and smoked crack in a Limo?

[calidem411]

This guy claims to give Obama a BJ while they did cocaine and crack. Do you think this really happened?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

[pocketfullofshells]

ummmm no?

I know someone that I bet will though.......

[Dr.Who]

This guy claims to give Obama a BJ while they did cocaine and crack. Do you think this really happened?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

Do I care?

If OBama were saying that he were opposed to gay sex or crack, or if here were saying that he never did gay sex or crack then that would tell us if he were a hypocrite or a liar. But by itself it means nothing.

[SW85]

Do I care?

If OBama were saying that he were opposed to gay sex or crack, or if here were saying that he never did gay sex or crack then that would tell us if he were a hypocrite or a liar. But by itself it means nothing.

OK, let's say the guy's outlandish claims were true. You're saying you're OK being governed by a drug-addicted homosexual philanderer pretending to be an upstanding family man in order to sate his Presidential ambitions?

If the answer to that is yes, let me follow it up with a second question: why should any sane person here take you seriously, ever again?

[PLC1]

No, I don't believe his silly claim, nor do I beleive that Obama is a Muslim terrorist, nor any of the other ridiculous claims that have been made and circulated over the internet.

I believe that the significant differences between Obama and McCain are:

McCain favors making the tax cuts permanent. Obama doesn't.
McCain favors keeping a force in Iraq long after the hostilities have ended. Obama wants to bring them home ASAP.
Obama favors a universal medical care plan for the US. McCain doesn't.
McCain has experience on his side, while Obama has youth.

I believe we should take a look at the real differences, and quit trying to make outlandish claims about either of them.

[Montesquieu]

McCain has experience on his side, while Obama has youth.

I believe we should take a look at the real differences, and quit trying to make outlandish claims about either of them.


I second the latter statement

but Obama's asset may be that he can relate to the youth but thinks of the elderly just as well

[Popeye]

This guy claims to give Obama a BJ while they did cocaine and crack. Do you think this really happened?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY



The man making the bogus accusations, Larry Sinclair, has a rap sheet spanning 27 years, many of the crimes involve some sort of deceit.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164.html

He is currently wanted in Colorado for felony theft and forgery. His wanted poster:

http://www.co.pueblo.co.us/cgi-bin/webpurbroker.wsc/mostoff.html?name=135062

I don't really think much more need be said.

[top gun]

It's so stupid it's not even worth commenting on.

[Sihouette]

I agree. It's tripe like this that serves to distract from the real and actual problems with Obama.

Knock it off. You won't derail real and meaningful discussions with tabloid gossip aimed at making legitimate critics of Obama seem lumped in with tripe-peddlers.

Nice try though..:)

[Andy]

It's so stupid it's not even worth commenting on.

Typical liberal. While saying it isn't worth commenting on, he posted this comment.

[Dr.Who]

OK, let's say the guy's outlandish claims were true. You're saying you're OK being governed by a drug-addicted homosexual philanderer pretending to be an upstanding family man in order to sate his Presidential ambitions?

If the answer to that is yes, let me follow it up with a second question: why should any sane person here take you seriously, ever again?

I suppose I should have prefaced my last post with what I usually say in such a circumstance: I don't waste my time with videos because they take too long when anyone could just post what was said for us all to read in a minute if they really cared or thought it was important.

So I assumed that the claim was from a long time ago; a pitfall of not watching what was no doubt a stupid video anyway.

If he were drug addicted that would be different than just using a drug a long time ago.

If he were a philanderer that also would be different. (Not that anybody cared when P. C. was known to be a philanderer before he got into office.)

[NO Obamanation]

The man making the bogus accusations, Larry Sinclair, has a rap sheet spanning 27 years, many of the crimes involve some sort of deceit.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164.html

He is currently wanted in Colorado for felony theft and forgery. His wanted poster:

http://www.co.pueblo.co.us/cgi-bin/webpurbroker.wsc/mostoff.html?name=135062

I don't really think much more need be said.

If you are doing cocain and stuff, it seems you would have a rap sheet doesnt it? That almost makes it more realistic.

[Dr.Who]

No, I don't believe his silly claim, nor do I beleive that Obama is a Muslim terrorist, nor any of the other ridiculous claims that have been made and circulated over the internet.

I believe that the significant differences between Obama and McCain are:

McCain favors making the tax cuts permanent. Obama doesn't.
McCain favors keeping a force in Iraq long after the hostilities have ended. Obama wants to bring them home ASAP.
Obama favors a universal medical care plan for the US. McCain doesn't.
McCain has experience on his side, while Obama has youth.

I believe we should take a look at the real differences, and quit trying to make outlandish claims about either of them.

You forgot:

McCain is just an ordinary American congressman with the typical flaws and Obama is a messianic socialist.

[Popeye]

If you are doing cocain and stuff, it seems you would have a rap sheet doesnt it? That almost makes it more realistic.

Are you actually telling me that you give credence to what a wanted criminal with a rap sheet of 27 years has to say?

Sinclair has been charged with everything from larceny to theft to forgery, and drew a 16-year prison sentence in Colorado in 1987.

BTW, Sinclair was arrested again yesterday.

http://reason.com/blog/show/127093.html

[NO Obamanation]

Are you actually telling me that you give credence to what a wanted criminal with a rap sheet of 27 years has to say?

Sinclair has been charged with everything from larceny to theft to forgery, and drew a 16-year prison sentence in Colorado in 1987.

BTW, Sinclair was arrested again yesterday.

http://reason.com/blog/show/127093.html


All I am saying is if he is doing crack cocaine in the back of a limo, I would expect him to have been in trouble with the law. People who do drugs usually are unless they are in government or the entertainment profession, and then usually they get away with it.

If this is untrue, he will be sued for defamation of character and the world will hear about it. If it is true, then we will over look it because this guy isn’t running for president.

I really don’t care if it’s true or not. If it is true it can not worsen what I think of Obama already and if its not true then its a non issue.

[Andy]

That's pretty much where I am.... there really isn't much, true or untrue, at this point that could worsen my view of Obama. Just in dealing with some of his completely ignorant, arrogant, and blindly stupid followers, while viewing some of the lame feeble positions he has on issue, while at the same time being a 20 year member of "God D**n America" church of hate... really... How would doing drugs possibly make me feel worse about him? It can't.

So true or not, it's not really relevant to me anymore. McCain might be the very last person I'd *want* to be president, but Obama is pretty high on the list of those I absolutely do NOT want as president... Not as high as the wicked witch of the west, but thankfully the house finely fell on her.

[NO Obamanation]

That's pretty much where I am.... there really isn't much, true or untrue, at this point that could worsen my view of Obama. Just in dealing with some of his completely ignorant, arrogant, and blindly stupid followers, while viewing some of the lame feeble positions he has on issue, while at the same time being a 20 year member of "God D**n America" church of hate... really... How would doing drugs possibly make me feel worse about him? It can't.

So true or not, it's not really relevant to me anymore. McCain might be the very last person I'd *want* to be president, but Obama is pretty high on the list of those I absolutely do NOT want as president... Not as high as the wicked witch of the west, but thankfully the house finely fell on her.

Oh I liked the witch, I think it must be a female thing. It is possible I would not be defending her as much as I have if she were a male. I never got on the hate the clinton's band wagon. I also never voted for him but I never really liked or disliked either one of them. It might be differnt if I had. So since I never had a big opinion for either of them good or bad, it could be why I cant help but want her to crush Obama. I have loathed him since his Key note speech at the dem convention in 2003

[Sihouette]

No No No. The intent of this post was to do a little thing I like to call "numbing by taking to extremes".

The recipe is this.

1. Take a line that someone is running with and push it to its extreme potential all within that same line.

2. Make the person/people discussing the line look like extremists.

3. Affect people ignoring them from that point on.

******

It's a psychological tool. Here's a http://www.counterpunch.org/cnnpsyops.html link to the types of games you will see played, like this one, to manipulate people this way and that during the GOP's attempt at the trap. Remember, their objective is to see Obama secure the dem nomination before they go for his throat. And don't forget for one instant that the GOP owns and operates BigMedia.

When you follow the breadcrumbs Grasshopper, you will see the bigger picture..

So with this thread we have a poster running with original and legitimate criticism of Obama and turning it into an extreme farce.

It could be that this person just hates Obama and wants to smear him no matter what; but given the antics I've seen online and in BigMedia lately, I'm opting for the farce thing.

[SW85]

Just to make sure--

There's not anyone in this thread who is seriously entertaining this piffle, is there?

[NO Obamanation]

Just to make sure--

There's not anyone in this thread who is seriously entertaining this piffle, is there?


Do you mean is there anyone here who thinks this could be true?

Sure it could be true, but who really cares. Let’s put it this way,

IF Obama had gay sex in the back of a limo while smoking crack cocaine,

Its the LEAST offensive things he has done, so why would anyone care??

I guess if the topic mattered at all and I had to figure out who was lying, this guy in the video or Obama, I would think about it like this.


Obama has lied to the public several times before and he has admitted to doing drugs when he was younger.

So sure it’s possible that it is true but no one really cares. Had the guy said Obama raped him I would feel different about the video, but everything was mutual and agreeable so who cares?

[Sihouette]

I still think that reasonable people who want to discuss Obama's shortcomings should avoid smear campaigns.

I think we should stick to relevant facts. Obama getting a gay BJ could be lumped in with Bill Clinton getting a hetero one. And I'm sick of people focusing on people's race, gender and sexuality when it comes to qualifications for office. They should neither be demoted nor promoted for any of those issues.

The cocaine thing..a bit more disturbing...but if he's kicked the problem we should be as forgiving as we were of Dubbya's alcoholism and cocaine use.

Anyone in their age group will have suffered through the 70s and 80s drug counterculture. If they're still alive and talking about it with wisdom then they're doing the best they can for their generation.

Like No Obamanation, I think there are way more relevant things to discuss with respect to Obama's (un)fitness for Office. Let's stick to them and leave the gutter stuff for the tabloid crowd.

[PLC1]

Just to make sure--

There's not anyone in this thread who is seriously entertaining this piffle, is there?

It doesn't look like it, does it?

There seems to always be someone ready to believe anything, no matter how absurd, but none of them have come forward this time.

Speaking of believing the absurd, does anyone buy this statement by Sihouette?

And don't forget for one instant that the GOP owns and operates BigMedia

[Sihouette]

Yes, how absurd.

I've known ever since my grandfather owned and operated an award winning newspaper in the Midwest. He was staunchly republican and clued me in that most major-media owners were staunch republicans with only a few exceptions.

This could've changed but I doubt it. You know how into tradition the GOP is. And everyone knows that whoever controls information dispensation controls the world. And we know how passive the GOP is when it comes to asserting its power at the expense of truth.

You're right...how absurd of me to suggest BigMedia is still owned by and large by the GOP. :rolleyes:

[NO Obamanation]

It doesn't look like it, does it?

There seems to always be someone ready to believe anything, no matter how absurd, but none of them have come forward this time.

Speaking of believing the absurd, does anyone buy this statement by Sihouette?







The GOP doesn’t operate anything, neither does the DNC.

As for cable news Fox News is in the tank for McCain and the rest of them, yes ALL of them are in the tank for Obama.

National Public Radio, a TAX PAYER FUNDED STATION is also clearly in the tank for Obama. This one makes me so sick. Tax payers HAVE to pay for this because the liberal idea’s can not make it on their own.

Other than the tax payer funded left slanted NPR, radio talk shows are almost all conservative and they are (for the most part) all in the tank for McCain.

Liberal talk radio just can’t make it but the little bit of it that is out there like Air America is obviously in the tank for Obama.


There are a number of talk show hosts (conservative ones) that just can’t stand McCain, just like I can not stand McCain. And though they do not promote Obama they do openly say that McCain is too liberal and it will only hurt the Republican Party to help him get elected. 4 years of Obama might just wake America up. 78% of republicans do not like or want McCain, they are very unhappy with the nominee, but most of them just don’t like Obama more than they don’t like McCain.

I know that Charlie Cunningham is of this belief, so is Glenn Beck, so is Lars Larson, Ann Coulter wants Hillary over McCain but she may not be able to reduce herself to Obama. These talk show hosts bash McCain DAILY, as does Rush. Hannity screams about him every time he does some stupid liberal thing.

You will NOT find this on the left. The very few left wing radio programs there are out there, they WILL NOT criticize Obama under any circumstances. Neither does the left wing news. I remember when The Rev. Wright issue came out, Poor Anderson Cooper apologized a number of times that he had to report the story, and he was clearly distraught to have to say anything that could hurt Obama’s chances.

They are intellectually dishonest people, but entertaining to watch.

[top gun]

Typical liberal. While saying it isn't worth commenting on, he posted this comment.

If I were to comment more than just to say Swift Boating a good American is stupid and absolutely won't work this time I'd say this.

Senator Obama is a man that started with nothing. He studied his butt off and pulled himself up with God given intelligence and a lot of hard work. And probably more important than that he went back to help others that were struggling on the south-side of Chicago when he could have been cashing in big time as a Harvard Law School graduate.

This is what America needs. No more cowboys, no more same old deteriorating track.

Best of luck to Senator Obama... I see in the latest Newsweek poll he's opened up a 15 point lead over John McSame.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5-DnNsoA5Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EHz3ARjyIs

[top gun]

. I have loathed him since his Key note speech at the dem convention in 2003

Actually it was the 2004 DNC Key Note Address... highly acclaimed as one of the best & most inspirational speeches ever given... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3mOyuJvX8U

[PLC1]

78% of republicans do not like or want McCain, they are very unhappy with the nominee, but most of them just don’t like Obama more than they don’t like McCain.



Then why in the world did the Republicans vote for him in the primary? There were other choices.

I voted for Romney, BTW, and probably would again.

[NO Obamanation]

Actually it was the 2004 DNC Key Note Address... highly acclaimed as one of the best & most inspirational speeches ever given... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3mOyuJvX8U

I thought the speech was given the spring of 2003 for the 2004 election, my bad :)


Yes the speech was good, he had won the primary for US senator, had not actually done the job and after the speech my liberal friends were having their panties in a wad wanting him to run for president, all because of a well delivered speech. I watched him close since then.

[NO Obamanation]

Then why in the world did the Republicans vote for him in the primary? There were other choices.

I voted for Romney, BTW, and probably would again.

It was cross over Independent voters who picked McCain.

The conservative Christian types were split on the huckabump and Romney
And the huckabump helped McCain by helping to get rid of his competition for the conservative vote.

McCain did dirty on Romney right before the Florida election, lying about him saying he wanted to pull out of Iraq and the despicable huckabump spread anti Mormon crap to his Baptist base.

Thus we have McCain.

I hate the huckabump just a little more than I hate McCain.

This is why Rush started the Operation Chaos, he was (LIKE MANY AMERICANS) angry at the media and non republicans picking our nominee so he paid them back with OC


PS I like Romney too!

[pocketfullofshells]

so this thread is 3 pages long? For something this dumb?

[NO Obamanation]

so this thread is 3 pages long? For something this dumb?

For curiosity sake, lets say this turns out to be true. Will it matter to you?


It won’t matter to me, I already think Obama is a scum sucking maggot and these actions are not beneath a scum sucking maggot.

You do not think he is a scum sucking maggot, you like him. So….. if it turns out this was true, would it effect your opinion of him?

[pocketfullofshells]

For curiosity sake, lets say this turns out to be true. Will it matter to you?


It won’t matter to me, I already think Obama is a scum sucking maggot and these actions are not beneath a scum sucking maggot.

You do not think he is a scum sucking maggot, you like him. So….. if it turns out this was true, would it effect your opinion of him?


yes, but its as likey as I find out the moon is made of cheese.

[NO Obamanation]

yes, but its as likey as I find out the moon is made of cheese.

why is it so unlikely?

the drug part or the sex part?

[pocketfullofshells]

why is it so unlikely?

the drug part or the sex part?

All of them?

[NO Obamanation]

All of them?

I can understand thinking it’s far fetched that he got oral sex by a male. He has never said or done anything for us to assume he is attracted to men, but he did admit to drug use a few years before this is said to have happened. I am sure many members of congress have little drug issues. I do not see the drug part being out of the question but the sex part is probably. I will have to ask some men if they would have to have homosexual tendencies to accept oral sex from a man.

Ill update you after my survey :)

[pocketfullofshells]

I can understand thinking it’s far fetched that he got oral sex by a male. He has never said or done anything for us to assume he is attracted to men, but he did admit to drug use a few years before this is said to have happened. I am sure many members of congress have little drug issues. I do not see the drug part being out of the question but the sex part is probably. I will have to ask some men if they would have to have homosexual tendencies to accept oral sex from a man.

Ill update you after my survey :)


tell me how many knock you out for asking.....

and this story has Zero credability to it, and is not worth the time of day unless someone wants to pony up some facts. Its about as worthless as the fake news I just made up about McCain.

[NO Obamanation]

tell me how many knock you out for asking.....

and this story has Zero credability to it, and is not worth the time of day unless someone wants to pony up some facts. Its about as worthless as the fake news I just made up about McCain.

That was fake? dang I thought it might be but I was hoping it was true, then he would be forced to step down and we could get Mitt Romeny in.

[top gun]

HEY I FOUND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It wasn't Obama and drugs. It was Grampy McSame rappin' on LSD!

and here's the proof...:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE96K01YO24

[NO Obamanation]

While reading Bad Eagles website I found this on the topic at hand:


Obama is being morally attacked by a Southern "white trash" homosexual drug user and former convict, Larry Sinclair. This is unbelievable. I respond only because I know what obssesive accusers are, and how offensive they can be. That Barack Hussein Obama should be subjected to such offends me, even though I am not a fan of his at all. Indeed, this will be the last post I make about him,or homosexuals, for some time. I've had my fill of both.

Larry Sinclair claims that Obama used cocain with him, and committed homosexual acts with him twice, in 1999, when Barack Hussein Obama was an Illinois state senator. There is a web site called Larry Sinclair Obama Drug Scandal, with the entire history of the case, and of Sinclair himself. Larry Sinclair has absolutely no credibility himself, and no proof of anything he is saying. His criminal record, his health and financial records and his family history are known. He has provided them to the public. He is not someone to be believed.

He does, however, have an attorney, and a witness (a limosine driver). Sinclair (originally from South Carolina) has gone public with his accusations of Obama since Semptember, 2007. Sinclair says that

Over the following months until December, 2007 he was contacted several times by Donald Young who appeared to be Obama’s emissary. He was the choir master at the Trinity Church of Christ which was under the direction of Pastor Jeremiah Wright and where Barack Obama is [was] a member of the congregation. Donald Young informed Larry Sinclair that he, too, had a sex and drugs relationship with Barack Obama similar to his.
At first he suggested that Obama was seeking the assistance of Jeremiah Wright in making a statement acknowledging his use of crack cocaine as recently as 1999. But he had second thoughts in early December 2007. Donald Young was murdered in his appartment at Christmas 2007.
Young was 47, single, lived in an appartment with a roommate(?), and was a specialist in elementary education. His death was featured in a homosexual site, and Young was apparently an 'openly' homosexual person.

There are live interviews of Larry Sinclair with Jeff Rense posted on the Sinclair web site, as well as with other radio hosts like Bill Cunningham (with Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily--who takes the story quite seriously). It is an impressive site. The information is stunning and appalling, frankly. And Larry Sinclair has a YouTube posted which is heart-sickening, too disgusting to post here on BadEagle.com. I note these things simply because they exist, and, even on the remote chance that any aspect of the story might be true, or partly true, because it is a devastating story. By the way, Jeff Clark (Huffington Post) also takes the story dead seriously, at least as of June 16, 2008. He writes a blazing, blistering piece on the matter. (However, Clark is utterly erroneous in the idea that the "the burden is on Barack Hussein Obama to prove that he never indulged in cocaine and oral pleasure with Larry Sinclair." Nothing could be more wrong. The burden is on the accuser! Sinclair must provide the proof. Therefore, Clark's 'Huff and Puff" post risks complete failure--except in showing his lack of knowledge of the most basic legal procedure.)

Senator Obama at this point has not responded at all to the allegations. Does he even need to? Probably, he's thinking not to dignify such a "mentally ill" accusation with a response. That is perfectly understandable, but accusation is so ominous and odious that it really can't be ignored, not forever.

I've endured accusation of a similar quality--that of being founded in imagination, without fact, evidence, record, or any such element as would give the accusations even a semblence of reality. I too have ignored them, for some time. But I must say, now, I would advise Obama not to ignore the accusation. Respond, immediately, and with force. The lies compound, and the accusers quote themselves, and thus create a fantasy presence on the internet, and thus the illusion of reality. As I said, I am no fan of Barack Hussein Obama, but I will not stand for any irresponsible accusations of someone, simply because he is a public figure.

Yet, sometimes, a person has to be humble, and, for the sake of the public, say "Yes" or "No"--even to the most irrational accusations. There is no limit to liars, or their lies. Obama should definitely respond. If he does not, ever, nor anyone in his campaign, then we have a serious problem.

If anything Sinclair says is true, if the story is fact, Obama is finished. The Democrat Party is finished as well. For Obama's sake, I hope the story is not true. For the Democrat Party's sake, as is, I hope every word of the story is true.


by David Yeagley on 20 June 2008

[pocketfullofshells]

If that story turns out true, I will vote for G W Bush to have a III term. lucky me I dont have to worry.

McCain has a black baby ,

[NO Obamanation]

If that story turns out true, I will vote for G W Bush to have a III term. lucky me I dont have to worry.

McCain has a black baby ,



OH I bet the baby is cute, but remember it would only be half black, that is if the mother was full black, although does a persons color matter unless your a liberal?

I found a lot on this topic.

Please read the attachment because I wont have to ask men if they would allow oral sex from a man, Oprah already did a whole show on straight men in Chicago who like to "do it" with gay men. It even has a name, its called “Down Low”

You can read about it and much much more on this thread topic below

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/answers-to-faqs/


So far it is seriously looking more believable to me, but again I could care a less who Obama gets a BJ from or if he is doing crack cocaine, but this second guy who accused him being killed this last Christmas is alarming. If the story is true the guy’s death is the only part that would concern me at all.

[Popeye]

OH I bet the baby is cute, but remember it would only be half black, that is if the mother was full black, although does a persons color matter unless your a liberal?

I found a lot on this topic.

Please read the attachment because I wont have to ask men if they would allow oral sex from a man, Oprah already did a whole show on straight men in Chicago who like to "do it" with gay men. It even has a name, its called “Down Low”

You can read about it and much much more on this thread topic below

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/answers-to-faqs/


So far it is seriously looking more believable to me, but again I could care a less who Obama gets a BJ from or if he is doing crack cocaine, but this second guy who accused him being killed this last Christmas is alarming. If the story is true the guy’s death is the only part that would concern me at all.

You really disappoint me, despite the fact that I disagree with you politically, I thought you had more on the ball than this. Well you learn something everyday.

First off, no matter how Larry Sinclair tries to spin it, he failed the polygraph test (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57248)

Secondly, I've already shown you his wanted poster (http://www.co.pueblo.co.us/cgi-bin/webpurbroker.wsc/mostoff.html?name=135062) He is wanted for forging an acquaintance's signature and stealing her tax refunds. Nice guy.

Thirdly I've shown you his past history (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164.html) involving crimes and lies.

Why you would even think twice about believing a man of proven criminal character is beyond me, unless you hate Obama so much you are just willing to grab hold of anything no matter how crazy.

[NO Obamanation]

You really disappoint me, despite the fact that I disagree with you politically, I thought you had more on the ball than this. Well you learn something everyday.

First off, no matter how Larry Sinclair tries to spin it, he failed the polygraph test (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57248)

Secondly, I've already shown you his wanted poster (http://www.co.pueblo.co.us/cgi-bin/webpurbroker.wsc/mostoff.html?name=135062) He is wanted for forging an acquaintance's signature and stealing her tax refunds. Nice guy.

Thirdly I've shown you his past history (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164.html) involving crimes and lies.

Why you would even think twice about believing a man of proven criminal character is beyond me, unless you hate Obama so much you are just willing to grab hold of anything no matter how crazy.


Did you read last link? It was saying he did pass.


On 1st April, 2008 US District Court Judge Henry Kennedy granted a motion for discovery in the matter. The aim of the Sinclair-Sibley legal strategy is eventually to discover Barack Obama on oath.


2. Larry Sinclair took a polygraph test in February confident that he would pass and he challenged Obama to do the same. The test was arranged by Whitehouse.com an internet site best known for pornography and anti-Clinton political satire.


The raw computer readings showed that Larry Sinclair passed the test with flying colours. But two testers hired by Whitehouse.com re-interpreted the readings to claim that they showed deception. One of the testers was Edward I. Gelb who has been exposed by specialists in the field for claiming a phony Ph.D.

Whitehouse.com refused to publish the full results or the video of the test and in many other respects breached good faith undertakings they gave Sinclair to induce him to participate. He claims that he and his attorney are in possession of information that the Obama campaign bribed Whitehouse.com to distort the test and spin the presentation of the results.
Whitehouse.com has not denied these allegations but has abruptly gone silent on the matter.

full story here

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/answers-to-faqs/


I still really do not care if he got a BJ or did Crack, The ONLY part of the story that should investicated is the part where the other man who aledged the same thing about Obama came up dead in his apartmetn on christmas day a month after telling his story.

[pocketfullofshells]

OH I bet the baby is cute, but remember it would only be half black, that is if the mother was full black, although does a persons color matter unless your a liberal?

I found a lot on this topic.

Please read the attachment because I wont have to ask men if they would allow oral sex from a man, Oprah already did a whole show on straight men in Chicago who like to "do it" with gay men. It even has a name, its called “Down Low”

You can read about it and much much more on this thread topic below

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/answers-to-faqs/


So far it is seriously looking more believable to me, but again I could care a less who Obama gets a BJ from or if he is doing crack cocaine, but this second guy who accused him being killed this last Christmas is alarming. If the story is true the guy’s death is the only part that would concern me at all.


its more believable because of a poll by Oprah? god you just really want to believe so much you don't care how dumb you look for it do you? If tis true I will go suck a strait mans balls for you.

how sad is it when your "source" is a porn site?

[NO Obamanation]

its more believable because of a poll by Oprah? god you just really want to believe so much you don't care how dumb you look for it do you? If tis true I will go suck a strait mans balls for you.

how sad is it when your "source" is a porn site?

What porn site are you talking about ?

I said that I would not have to go and do a survey asking straight men if they would consider letting another man give them oral sex. Do you remember you wanted to know how many men would knock me out if I asked them that question??

It turns out that I do not have to do a survey, Oprah already did an intire show on the topic. There is also a book on the topic and apparently its very common for straight men to do this.

The story being more believable has nothing to do with Oprah, it has to do with the Chicago police department getting involved and a judge authorizing a lie detector test, a second man coming fourth, one who worked at Trinity United Church of Christ, saying he had a simular relationship with Obama as the first guy had. Then a month later comes up dead in his apartment.

When the link was first put up it looked like maybe a guy making a silly video, but now that I have read more of the story and there are 2 men who are saying this is what happened to each of them. One of them a memeber of the Trinity church, actually no longer a member since he was killed in his apartment a month after telling of his incounters with Obama, sex and drugs. A judge getting involved, the police department.

There is obviously a whole lot more to the story than one single guy playing with his U Tube account.

[pocketfullofshells]

whitehouse.com...is a porn site

[NO Obamanation]

whitehouse.com...is a porn site

You are going to have to find the porn and give me the exact url.

I have gone to videos, its all political left wing videos

I have gone to polls, its all political

the main page is all about politics

If there is porn on this site I sure do not know how to access it.

[Popeye]

You are going to have to find the porn and give me the exact url.

I have gone to videos, its all political left wing videos

I have gone to polls, its all political

the main page is all about politics

If there is porn on this site I sure do not know how to access it.

Since apparently you aren't looking at any of my links while at the same time you keep trying to send us off to a porn site or Sinclair's own site, I thought I'd put some details about Larry Sinclair right in front of your face. Can't miss them that way can you?

The records tell the story of an itinerant life of small-time crime and bad checks, punctuated by stretches of jail time in two states.

He was first arrested on a larceny charge in 1981 in Denver, according to his Colorado arrest record, as filed in federal court. In 1985, he was convicted of theft and of forging a check in Florida, and sentenced to a year in jail, according to Florida records filed in federal court.

After the Florida episode, according to the records, he returned to Colorado, where he faced check fraud and credit card charges in 1986. Then, in 1987, he was convicted in Colorado on more serious forgery charges, and sentenced to 16 years in jail.

In prison, according to state records filed in federal court, Sinclair was disciplined 97 times for infractions including assault, threats, drug possession, intimidation, and verbal abuse, most recently in
1996.

"He has not institutionalized well," a spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Corrections, Liz McDonough, told the Denver Post in 1996 after a month-long Sinclair hunger strike. She said he had served time in prisons in Buena Vista, Delta, Limon and Canon City before being transferred to the state's maximum security penitentiary in 1993.

In the summer of 1996, according to Colorado's state court database, he began proceedings to formally change his name from LA Rye Viz. Avila to Larry Wayne Sinclair. By 1999, according to a mention in a local newspaper, he was out of jail and living in Pueblo, Colo.

The Public Citizen investigator in Colorado stated that Sinclair's outstanding legal troubles there appear to date from 2001, and that Sinclair's effort to convince the judge in 2004 to dismiss those charges failed. The Pueblo County Sheriff's website, which pictures Sinclair under the word "Wanted," cites felony theft and forgery charges.

Sinclair was also arrested and charged with disorderly conduct in South Carolina last September, according to state records filed in federal court.

Here you can read more about Sinclair's strange news conference the other day. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/18/obama-accuser-larry-sincl_n_107900.html) In which, among other things, he brought a disbarred lawyer who didn't wear pants, refused to expound on his apparent stay in a mental institution in 1999, and to top it off was arrested.

Again why would you defend a common criminal? He has lied and committed crimes for his entire life, yet now, because it suits your hatred of Obama, he's suddenly telling the truth? To be honest, you are making yourself look foolish, your hatred appears to have reached the irrational stage. Get a grip.

[calidem411]

Hey guys,

Thanks for posting here. It's been interesting to read your posts and to see how everyone got hooked to this thread as outlandish as it sounds.

As someone said; yes, Obama is still a scum bad lyer and this doesn't change anything in people's minds wether, you're an Obamabot, or against him...

[pocketfullofshells]

OH I bet the baby is cute, but remember it would only be half black, that is if the mother was full black, although does a persons color matter unless your a liberal?

I found a lot on this topic.

Please read the attachment because I wont have to ask men if they would allow oral sex from a man, Oprah already did a whole show on straight men in Chicago who like to "do it" with gay men. It even has a name, its called “Down Low”

You can read about it and much much more on this thread topic below

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/answers-to-faqs/


So far it is seriously looking more believable to me, but again I could care a less who Obama gets a BJ from or if he is doing crack cocaine, but this second guy who accused him being killed this last Christmas is alarming. If the story is true the guy’s death is the only part that would concern me at all.

liberal? its a Referance to a attack by Rove on McCain in 2000 when he ran against Bush...clearly he knew it would effect republicans....I could care less....also I am smart so did not belive it and attacked Rove and Bush for slimeball tactics.

[pocketfullofshells]

Also boo, they are not a porn site anymore? I recall having to tell people .gov not .con...becuse if you went to .com you got porn. and yes it was porn.

[top gun]

I guess when you're in the Republican Karl Rove "Swift Boat 'em if you can" crowd this is what you do... try to character assassinate a Good Hard Working Christian Family Man & Father.

I'll be so proud the day this guy takes the oath of office and proves... not this time!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylVTBiGh00c

[NO Obamanation]

Also boo, they are not a porn site anymore? I recall having to tell people .gov not .con...becuse if you went to .com you got porn. and yes it was porn.

I went to whitehouse.com

a dozen times, went through every part of the sight looking for porn

unless you call politics porn, I see no porn.

I did NOT go to whitehouse.gov


I went and I posted whitehouse.com

if it used to be a porn site they reformed themselves :)

[NO Obamanation]

Some people seem terribly upset that this thread even exists. But what is a person to do. If there are things written that can be added to the story, the other side of the story, why is it bad to talk about it?

A person posted that the lie detector test failed. I think that person had every right to post that, and I am glad they did.

I found information that he passed the test but someone who lied about their credentials said he failed the test. Why is that information less valid than the first information?

The original post is about a single man saying he did drug’s and other things with Obama, I found that another person said the same thing happened with him. This second person is not some random person, this person is a church member at the same place obama worshiped, this person was murdered a month after coming out with his story. Why is that not valid for the topic?

I am not saying anyone has to agree with the information, I don’t know that I agree with the information but it seems odd that we are all here on this political forum to post various information we find, but if we post anything that some don’t agree with then we are wrong and bad.

So far everything negative about Obama that anyone dares to post is bad, wrong, unreasonable, foolish, racist or some other horrible thing.

[NO Obamanation]

2nd Round: Barack Obama sex & drug scandal. PART B_4

Some new info. I do not think this story is going to go away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-rdlE7qjug



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxmn1ZuMw4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvVEzb0edPE&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIGPNOKMJiE&eurl=http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/npc-obama-will-be-exposed-june-18-2008-if-not-sooner/

[pocketfullofshells]

So far everything negative about Obama that anyone dares to post is bad, wrong, unreasonable, foolish, racist or some other horrible thing.

Not evrything, but a large amount yes

[pocketfullofshells]

2nd Round: Barack Obama sex & drug scandal. PART B_4

Some new info. I do not think this story is going to go away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-rdlE7qjug



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxmn1ZuMw4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvVEzb0edPE&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIGPNOKMJiE&eurl=http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/npc-obama-will-be-exposed-june-18-2008-if-not-sooner/

it never will becuse people like you will eat it up online, regardless of facts. Funny even the lame worthless tv media has said just about nothing on it. Guess they would rather have a fact to talk about at some point.

[PLC1]

[QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50484]2nd Round: Barack Obama sex & drug scandal. PART B_4

Some new info. I do not think this story is going to go away

[QUOTE]

The Obama is a Muslim terrorist, and the Obama wasn't even born in the US stories seem to have faded into the background at least.

Maybe eventually we can dispense with the nonsense and focus on the issues.

[NO Obamanation]

[QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50484]2nd Round: Barack Obama sex & drug scandal. PART B_4

Some new info. I do not think this story is going to go away

[QUOTE]

The Obama is a Muslim terrorist, and the Obama wasn't even born in the US stories seem to have faded into the background at least.

Maybe eventually we can dispense with the nonsense and focus on the issues.

If any of this is true it is a real issue, if it is not true it will fully fade away.
How anyone can justify not checking out the story when more and more people who are all non connected with eachother verify that this is true is beyond me.

[top gun]

[QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50484]2nd Round: Barack Obama sex & drug scandal. PART B_4

Some new info. I do not think this story is going to go away

[QUOTE]

The Obama is a Muslim terrorist, and the Obama wasn't even born in the US stories seem to have faded into the background at least.

Maybe eventually we can dispense with the nonsense and focus on the issues.

I must say this go around it's so refreshing to see someone like Senator Obama stand up immediately and smack down the Republican's Karl Rove style of character assassination (Swift Boating).

I wish John Kerry would have done that. We probably wouldn't be in the just terrible overall mess we're in with George Bush.

Of course many of the things now being posted on this site are pure nonsense completely made up stories from somewhere in neo-con fantasy land.

Senator Obama is a Good, Caring, Intelligent, Christian Senator, Father & Husband. He'll be very good for our country in these trying times.

[NO Obamanation]

[QUOTE=PLC1;50514][QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50484]2nd Round: Barack Obama sex & drug scandal. PART B_4

Some new info. I do not think this story is going to go away



I must say this go around it's so refreshing to see someone like Senator Obama stand up immediately and smack down the Republican's Karl Rove style of character assassination (Swift Boating).

I wish John Kerry would have done that. We probably wouldn't be in the just terrible overall mess we're in with George Bush.

Of course many of the things now being posted on this site are pure nonsense completely made up stories from somewhere in neo-con fantasy land.

Senator Obama is a Good, Caring, Intelligent, Christian Senator, Father & Husband. He'll be very good for our country in these trying times.

I wish Senator obama would address this and put it to rest too. But I get the feeling he will not until he is forced by a judge to release his phone records exc.

[PLC1]

[QUOTE=PLC1;50514][QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50484]2nd Round: Barack Obama sex & drug scandal. PART B_4

Some new info. I do not think this story is going to go away



If any of this is true it is a real issue, if it is not true it will fully fade away.
How anyone can justify not checking out the story when more and more people who are all non connected with eachother verify that this is true is beyond me.

A lot of us have checked out the Muslim terrorist story and the sex and drug scandal stories, and found them to be a whole lot of hooey. Stories don't fade away just because they lack an iota of truth, because a lot of voters will accept them at face value, just as the sheeple always accept at face value whatever they happen to see on TV or read on the net.

If the anti Obama forces have nothing better to use as talking points, then they have nothing at all.

Now the no experience story, and the he-wants-to-increase-the-size-of-government story, those are valid issues and should be of concern.

But Obama is not a Muslim, no matter how much his opponents wish he were.

And McCain isn't George Bush, no matter how much his opponents wish he were.

Neither of the above are real issues.

[NO Obamanation]

[QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50518][QUOTE=PLC1;50514]

A lot of us have checked out the Muslim terrorist story and the sex and drug scandal stories, and found them to be a whole lot of hooey. Stories don't fade away just because they lack an iota of truth, because a lot of voters will accept them at face value, just as the sheeple always accept at face value whatever they happen to see on TV or read on the net.

If the anti Obama forces have nothing better to use as talking points, then they have nothing at all.

Now the no experience story, and the he-wants-to-increase-the-size-of-government story, those are valid issues and should be of concern.

But Obama is not a Muslim, no matter how much his opponents wish he were.

And McCain isn't George Bush, no matter how much his opponents wish he were.

Neither of the above are real issues.

I never said obama was a muslim. I am talking about this story that seems to have more evidence now than it first had.

When I first saw the man's video I laughed as I am sure every one else did. As time goes by more about the story comes out, more questions and all unanswered. More people are speaking up. I think it’s fair to ask questions and expect answers. I think the blind sheep are the ones who refuse to even look.

As much as I like Mitt Romney if there were a story out there about him like this I would research it and ask question and I wouldn’t let it go in hopes that people forget so my guy can get elected.

I agree with you though that no experience is an issue and raising taxes and increasing government are all important issues. But there is room to look at these unanswered questions too!

[top gun]

[QUOTE=top gun;50521][QUOTE=PLC1;50514]

I wish Senator obama would address this and put it to rest too. But I get the feeling he will not until he is forced by a judge to release his phone records exc.

Well like I said some things are being said that are beyond ridiculous just trying to throw mud at a good Family man, a good American and a respected United States Senator.

If I said John McCain had sex with a sheep on a camping trip years ago I wouldn't exactly expect him to dignify that with a response either.

Lying Swift Boat tactics will be the Republican demise this year. I know they have little else but they've been to that well once too often. People have real problems and are sick to death of that crap... watch and see if I'm not right. ;)

[Libsmasher]

That Obama is gay is the least of our problems if he is elected.

[NO Obamanation]

[QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50523][QUOTE=top gun;50521]

Well like I said some things are being said that are beyond ridiculous just trying to throw mud at a good Family man, a good American and a respected United States Senator.

If I said John McCain had sex with a sheep on a camping trip years ago I wouldn't exactly expect him to dignify that with a response either.

Lying Swift Boat tactics will be the Republican demise this year. I know they have little else but they've been to that well once too often. People have real problems and are sick to death of that crap... watch and see if I'm not right. ;)

I could agree with you that if it was just this first St Claire guy it would be totally ridiculous.

But then a member of his church of 20 years says the same thing happened with him, and then he comes up murdered a month later?

The lie detector test passes till someone associated with the Obama camp lies about his own credentials says he did not pass, then there are allegations of bribes and pay offs with that aspect of it.

Now allegations of money from Obama’s head of what ever he is head of, David Axelrod is being sued for paying off people and attempting to smear St Clair’s name. Then another preacher who knows Obama said he knew allot of this was true where the sex and drugs came in.


If it were just the one first video I would agree with you and did agree with you, but it’s gotten deeper than that.

If it makes you feel better to pretend there is nothing to this, then feel better but it does not make me feel better to pretend it is a non issue.

Obama being homosexual is not an issue to me; the drug thing is a bit of an issue to me. The man, who knew him, went to the same church for the same 20 years being murdered a month after coming out with his story IS a LARGE ISSUE TO ME!

[Popeye]

[QUOTE=top gun;50552][QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50523]

I could agree with you that if it was just this first St Claire guy it would be totally ridiculous.

But then a member of his church of 20 years says the same thing happened with him, and then he comes up murdered a month later?

The lie detector test passes till someone associated with the Obama camp lies about his own credentials says he did not pass, then there are allegations of bribes and pay offs with that aspect of it.

Now allegations of money from Obama’s head of what ever he is head of, David Axelrod is being sued for paying off people and attempting to smear St Clair’s name. Then another preacher who knows Obama said he knew allot of this was true where the sex and drugs came in.


If it were just the one first video I would agree with you and did agree with you, but it’s gotten deeper than that.

If it makes you feel better to pretend there is nothing to this, then feel better but it does not make me feel better to pretend it is a non issue.

Obama being homosexual is not an issue to me; the drug thing is a bit of an issue to me. The man, who knew him, went to the same church for the same 20 years being murdered a month after coming out with his story IS a LARGE ISSUE TO ME!

The common criminal, with the rap sheet spanning 27 years, that you've fallen in love with is named Larry Sinclair not "St Claire." Of course considering how you've been kneeling at this proven liar's and ex con's altar it's really no surprise that you would refer to him in that way.

BTW, nobody has to worry about smearing "Sinclair's name." He's done that quite adequately himself, starting with an arrest for larceny in 1981, continuing on with a prison term in Fla for theft and forgery, then a 16 year prison term in Colo. for more serious forgery charges and now the charges in Colorado for felony theft and forgery. Yet you act like he's a male version of Mother Theresa, I know you don't like Obama but, wake up, nobody takes this guy seriously and you're making yourself look like a fool.

Public records and court filings reveal that he has a 27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit. The record includes forgery charges in two states, one of which drew Sinclair a 16-year jail sentence. The Pueblo County, Colo., Sheriff's Office also has an outstanding warrant for Sinclair's arrest for forging an acquaintance's signature and stealing her tax refunds.

Sinclair has long rap sheet (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164.html)

Sinclair polygraph indicates deception (http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4799)

[NO Obamanation]

[QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50562][QUOTE=top gun;50552]

The common criminal, with the rap sheet spanning 27 years, that you've fallen in love with is named Larry Sinclair not "St Claire." Of course considering how you've been kneeling at this proven liar's and ex con's altar it's really no surprise that you would refer to him in that way.

BTW, nobody has to worry about smearing "Sinclair's name." He's done that quite adequately himself, starting with an arrest for larceny in 1981, continuing on with a prison term in Fla for theft and forgery, then a 16 year prison term in Colo. for more serious forgery charges and now the charges in Colorado for felony theft and forgery. Yet you act like he's a male version of Mother Theresa, I know you don't like Obama but, wake up, nobody takes this guy seriously and you're making yourself look like a fool.



Sinclair has long rap sheet (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164.html)

Sinclair polygraph indicates deception (http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4799)

Ah thank you for the spelling; I was too lazy to look it up.

I was wondering if you have a rap sheet for the second guy who said the same thing happened to him. The one who was until he was murdered a 20 year member of Obama's church.

and Donald Young, What smears do you have on this guy?

besides Donald Young who came out with the information of a relationship of sex and drugs with Obama, 2 other open homosexuals from Obama's church have been killed execution style since then.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/members_of_obama_s_church_kill.html

[NO Obamanation]

[QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50562][QUOTE=top gun;50552]

Sinclair polygraph indicates deception (http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4799)

The polygraph passed until 2 men from Obama's camp who both claimed to be experts said it did not pass and showed deception. One of those men LIED about his credentials in reading a polygraph. I would have to be a FOOL to believe the man who LIED about his credentials when he tells me if someone else is lying about a person who is paying them to lie about their credentials.

[PLC1]

[QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50523][QUOTE=top gun;50521]

Well like I said some things are being said that are beyond ridiculous just trying to throw mud at a good Family man, a good American and a respected United States Senator.

If I said John McCain had sex with a sheep on a camping trip years ago I wouldn't exactly expect him to dignify that with a response either.

Lying Swift Boat tactics will be the Republican demise this year. I know they have little else but they've been to that well once too often. People have real problems and are sick to death of that crap... watch and see if I'm not right. ;)


Responding to:


Originally Posted by PLC1

I wish Senator obama would address this and put it to rest too. But I get the feeling he will not until he is forced by a judge to release his phone records exc.

Just to clarify: It was NO Obamanation who posted the above, not me.

[Sihouette]

You know, I promised myself I woudn't give this thread another thought.

:rolleyes:

When looking at the development of facts about men at Obama's church who could ruin his chances at a nomination, I turn first to the GOP as suspects to their execution-style deaths. If your strategy is to nominate the one candidate you know you can defeat between two, then you will utilize special forces to get the job done. And that includes clearing away any obstacles.

My gut feeling is Obama did not know of nor approve of the deaths. But then again, I've been wrong before about assigning innocence to him?

One thing remains, the deaths are highly suspicious and the fact that they exist tends to make me think that the accusations against Obama hold more water than less.

[Sihouette]

This is also a bit disconcerting, Obama's physical appearance. Over the last several months I've noticed him getting skinnier and skinnier and there is a distinct yellowish tone to his once more rich brown skin.

I realize that the campaign trail must be very stressful. Yet Hillary Clinton, almost 20 years his senior, seems to be quite healthy looking and robust. It could be that they just handle stress differently.

The obvious concern though is that given the potential authenticity of this promiscuous gay double-life people say Obama leads and that being the highest incidence of HIV positive people in a population, we unfortunately do need to take a closer peek at the man from a standpoint only of physical fitness for the job. If the presumed nominee is HIV positive and dropping weight at the rate he seems to just during the election, how will he hold up when he really gets on the hot seat of a nation in peril in January? We cannot have this particular president dropping dead of AIDS mid-term!

I'd like to see less gay-bashing and talk of drugs and more emphasis on talk of his health condition. To me he looks like something is eating away at his vitality. I've seen people waste away from HIV/AIDS and the look is eerily similar to the wasting I've noticed in Obama's condition. Please tell me I'm wrong?

[PLC1]

This is also a bit disconcerting, Obama's physical appearance. Over the last several months I've noticed him getting skinnier and skinnier and there is a distinct yellowish tone to his once more rich brown skin.

I realize that the campaign trail must be very stressful. Yet Hillary Clinton, almost 20 years his senior, seems to be quite healthy looking and robust. It could be that they just handle stress differently.

The obvious concern though is that given the potential authenticity of this promiscuous gay double-life people say Obama leads and that being the highest incidence of HIV positive people in a population, we unfortunately do need to take a closer peek at the man from a standpoint only of physical fitness for the job. If the presumed nominee is HIV positive and dropping weight at the rate he seems to just during the election, how will he hold up when he really gets on the hot seat of a nation in peril in January? We cannot have this particular president dropping dead of AIDS mid-term!

I'd like to see less gay-bashing and talk of drugs and more emphasis on talk of his health condition. To me he looks like something is eating away at his vitality. I've seen people waste away from HIV/AIDS and the look is eerily similar to the wasting I've noticed in Obama's condition. Please tell me I'm wrong?

I'd be willing to bet that Obama will outlive McCain. Is anyone willing to take that bet?

[Sihouette]

Don't leave out the candidate with the most popular primary votes in US history.

Who would survive longest between the three? Statistics say that McCain's age vs Obama's alleged sexual practices (if true), both men, vs Clinton's age and gender...I'd have to put my money on Hillary.

Good question to ponder actually.;)

Ancient vs high-risk lifestyler (if you only go on his smoking and how skinny he is) vs 60-something woman.

This just an aside, but how many of you think that the McCain/GOP/BigMedia camp has more goods on this subject than their letting out right now and they're just waiting until Obama becomes the official nominee before they flood the press with it?

The evidence to such is that McCain seems almost completely care-free and negligent even of answering Obama's current pot-shots at his campaign. It almost seems like McCain knows something we don't...something he can hang his hat on that will 100% bury his hoped-for democratic opponent.

[Popeye]

Yet Hillary Clinton, almost 20 years his senior, seems to be quite healthy looking and robust.

Oh yeah, here's the real Hillary without all the makeup.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm72/Upton52/hilLIARy.jpg



Here's the elderly Clinton looking "robust"

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm72/Upton52/Hillary1.jpg

[top gun]

[QUOTE=top gun;50552][QUOTE=NO Obamanation;50523]


Responding to:




Just to clarify: It was NO Obamanation who posted the above, not me.

Absolutely correct.

That's just the way the Quote came up for some reason. I apologize if it appeared you had said something that you absolutely did not say. It was fully a No Obamanation quote.

[top gun]

Obama being homosexual is not an issue to me; the drug thing is a bit of an issue to me. The man, who knew him, went to the same church for the same 20 years being murdered a month after coming out with his story IS a LARGE ISSUE TO ME!


Are these cheap false attacks really worth it to you? Anything to try and drag Senator Obama a good Christian Family man down. Scrambling, lying, anything to someway try and make him look as impotent & foolish as John McBush.

You really will stoop so low as to say United States Senator Barack Obama and candidate for President of the United States of America is a homosexual and has drug issues.

Have you seen him with his family. Do you have such hate in your heart that you would really push forward these terrible & obvious lies. The man has a wife and two little daughters he loves more than life itself.

Have you no shame?

Please take a moment and look at who you are attacking with that filth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE2xajNXcmQ

[top gun]

Don't leave out the candidate with the most popular primary votes in US history.

Who would survive longest between the three? Statistics say that McCain's age vs Obama's alleged sexual practices (if true), both men, vs Clinton's age and gender...I'd have to put my money on Hillary.

Good question to ponder actually.;)

Ancient vs high-risk lifestyler (if you only go on his smoking and how skinny he is) vs 60-something woman.

This just an aside, but how many of you think that the McCain/GOP/BigMedia camp has more goods on this subject than their letting out right now and they're just waiting until Obama becomes the official nominee before they flood the press with it?

The evidence to such is that McCain seems almost completely care-free and negligent even of answering Obama's current pot-shots at his campaign. It almost seems like McCain knows something we don't...something he can hang his hat on that will 100% bury his hoped-for democratic opponent.

You know this is just silly. All the most popular vote stuff... is if you don't even count any caucus voters at all and just count states that run primaries leaving all the other voters out. And of course you give all the votes to Clinton in Michigan where 4 of the Democratic candidates weren't even on the ballot. And Florida where Senator Obama kept his word and did not campaign.

Then you go on about what the Republicans will say. What the Republicans said from Rush Limbaugh right on down the line is THEY FULL OUT WANTED TO RUN AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON. I mean come on you know this... Operation Chaos and everything they said the whole primary season was BRING US A CLINTON. The hate for the Clintons energizes their base. They'd love to bring up the whole Monica thing yet again... the blow jobs in the Oval Office, the lying... what a cheating distraction Bill would be yet again. That kind of thing.

Not to mention that Senator Obama won many, many more delegates fair and square which was the bench mark going in. How could anyone want to just steal the nomination away from the obvious rightful winner Senator Obama and seriously think that the minorities in the Democratic Party would just say... OK that's fine we'll still vote for whoever? Do you seriously believe that's a winning strategy in any way?

I like the Clintons. I don't want in anyway to run down the Clintons. The Clintons have done a lot of good things. But you should see that and know that turn about as fair play as well and support our nominee. The primary is over. If we are Democrats then we support out nominee. I'd have certainly done as much if Hillary had won the nomination even though I truly, honestly see her past family baggage as a very possible fatal flaw.

We need to move on to focusing all of our efforts on stopping a Bush third term and completely destroying our whole country! Please...

[pocketfullofshells]

is it possible for this Thread do get any dumber and more worthless then it is?

[Sihouette]

Actually I agree. I think the only issue worth considering is if Obama is fit physically to run the country.

[pocketfullofshells]

Actually I agree. I think the only issue worth considering is if Obama is fit physically to run the country.

I stand corrected, it can...

the only issue is if he could physically do it? well then why don't we just vote in pro Athletes then....

[top gun]

Actually I agree. I think the only issue worth considering is if Obama is fit physically to run the country.

Then let's just state the obvious and say yes and move on.

[Dr.Who]

Actually I agree. I think the only issue worth considering is if Obama is fit physically to run the country.
How about the question of whether or not he would rule the country according the the spirit and letter of the Constitution? 'Cause the last time I checked the Constitution was not a socialist document.

[Sihouette]

Um folks, I meant the only issue pertinent from this thread! :rolleyes:

Duh!

OK, let me clarify: the only issue worth discussing from this thread as to Obama, is not if he is a closet bisexual, or purely homosexual (married his wife as many gay politicians do in order to further their political careers) but how his health may be affected if these allegations prove true.

It is relevent if he's actively smoking crack. My local greasy diner requires it's dish dogs and bus boys to pass regular urine drug screening; you'd think that would also be a requirement for the Oval Office, but alas, no..

It is HIGHLY relevent if Obama has HIV from his alleged activities (since being a promiscuous drug-using homosexual would put him at the apex of suspects to carry HIV or even have full-blown AIDS). Being in the throes of AIDS, even with today's medicines to keep it in check, stress is the number one morbid predictor for survival of AIDS. Guess what the presidency will be this time around?...yep...stressfull...very stressfull.

Of course issues like the economy, the BigOil corporate monopoly that's forced us into bankruptcy to gain its hostile takeover of sovereign Iraq's oil, the foreclosure crises, etc. etc. etc. Naturally these issues are most important. But in order to solve them it follows that one must be alive to do so.

[top gun]

How about the question of whether or not he would rule the country according the the spirit and letter of the Constitution? 'Cause the last time I checked the Constitution was not a socialist document.

Senator Obama was a Constitutional Law Professor. I would say he's well versed on the subject.

[top gun]

Um folks, I meant the only issue pertinent from this thread! :rolleyes:

Duh!

OK, let me clarify: the only issue worth discussing from this thread as to Obama, is not if he is a closet bisexual, or purely homosexual (married his wife as many gay politicians do in order to further their political careers) but how his health may be affected if these allegations prove true.

It is relevent if he's actively smoking crack. My local greasy diner requires it's dish dogs and bus boys to pass regular urine drug screening; you'd think that would also be a requirement for the Oval Office, but alas, no..

It is HIGHLY relevent if Obama has HIV from his alleged activities (since being a promiscuous drug-using homosexual would put him at the apex of suspects to carry HIV or even have full-blown AIDS). Being in the throes of AIDS, even with today's medicines to keep it in check, stress is the number one morbid predictor for survival of AIDS. Guess what the presidency will be this time around?...yep...stressfull...very stressfull.

I just don't see what you think you gain by lying this way. As Karma goes... you're in very bad shape... you have to know that.

You're definitely more than willing to try your utmost to smear and character assassinate without grounds this good Husband & Father. A United States Senator who's only crime is that he wants to be our next President and try to help Americans out of the mess George Bush & the Republicans put us into.

You call him a Homo a HIV carrier and a drug addict without even a scintilla of truth... just because you my friend are a very sore loser. Your favorite lost so now you take your ball and go home cussing out the winner.

I hope no one ever treats you so unfairly... I really do. Because this is a truly good man.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qTD7geUCyM

[Sihouette]

Hey top gun. If you'll note early on in this thread I was disgusted that anyone would bring it up at all. And then just recently I took a peek to see what the hubbub was about. I watched the you-tube video just to give information a chance and to gauge the sincerity of the claimant. To be honest, the guy looked straight at the camera with the most sincere of faces and there was no weird blinking or shiftiness as when people lie in his body language.

He says he's going to submit to a polygraph test.

Even still, the guy could be making this all up. Note in my post above I made sure to say that "if" this was true "alleged" etc.

Now you are claiming that I'm the one who brought up this subject and am responsible for its content. Sorry, that's not how things unfolded here on this thread.

I'm just saying that the guy does look guant, much like a couple people I've known who have slid downhill with AIDS, that given that and also this youtube guy's claims...that Obama is ALLEGEDLY a promiscuous drug-using homosexual, we have something to be concerned about as to his fitness for president.

And what's even more important, that stalwart Obama-addicts should consider, if this stuff does have merit, not saying it does but IF it does...don't kid yourself for one minute that the GOP, once they have the Obama trap in the bag at the Denver convention, will hesitate for a nanosecond to run it through their mouthpieces at BigMedia.

And when that happens, presuming this stuff has teeth, what position do you think the democrats will be in as far as winning the Whitehouse this Fall?

Mmmmmm hmmmm.. Strategy, democrats. Once in a while it doesn't hurt to do your own background check on your politically-correct and flawless icons. Say what you want about Hillary, the skeletons in her closet are all boiled and picked clean. The one's in Obamas are starting to smell a little...

[Dr.Who]

Senator Obama was a Constitutional Law Professor. I would say he's well versed on the subject.


Apparently not since he would like to do a lot of things in this country that are directly opposed to the intent of our founding fathers who wrote the constitution.

Tax the rich to give to the poor
windfall profits tax on big oil
nationalizing the oil industry
federal involvement in education
etc.

btw,:

"Alongside my own deep personal faith, I am a follower, as well, of our civic religion," he says. "I am a big believer in the separation of church and state. I am a big believer in our constitutional structure. I mean, I'm a law professor at the University of Chicago teaching constitutional law. [Actually, Obama is not a law professor, but a "senior lecturer." As Chicago Sun-Times columnist Lynn Sweet has pointed out, and I know from six-and-a-half years as a college adjunct lecturer, "In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles." As Sweet also notes, however, Obama's misrepresentation of his academic position is the least of his credibility problems.]

[pocketfullofshells]

Um folks, I meant the only issue pertinent from this thread! :rolleyes:

Duh!

OK, let me clarify: the only issue worth discussing from this thread as to Obama, is not if he is a closet bisexual, or purely homosexual (married his wife as many gay politicians do in order to further their political careers) but how his health may be affected if these allegations prove true.

It is relevent if he's actively smoking crack. My local greasy diner requires it's dish dogs and bus boys to pass regular urine drug screening; you'd think that would also be a requirement for the Oval Office, but alas, no..

It is HIGHLY relevent if Obama has HIV from his alleged activities (since being a promiscuous drug-using homosexual would put him at the apex of suspects to carry HIV or even have full-blown AIDS). Being in the throes of AIDS, even with today's medicines to keep it in check, stress is the number one morbid predictor for survival of AIDS. Guess what the presidency will be this time around?...yep...stressfull...very stressfull.

Of course issues like the economy, the BigOil corporate monopoly that's forced us into bankruptcy to gain its hostile takeover of sovereign Iraq's oil, the foreclosure crises, etc. etc. etc. Naturally these issues are most important. But in order to solve them it follows that one must be alive to do so.

What if He has Sars?

Or Ebola?

Maybe he has Polio......

[NO Obamanation]

Um folks, I meant the only issue pertinent from this thread! :rolleyes:

Duh!

OK, let me clarify: the only issue worth discussing from this thread as to Obama, is not if he is a closet bisexual, or purely homosexual (married his wife as many gay politicians do in order to further their political careers) but how his health may be affected if these allegations prove true.

It is relevent if he's actively smoking crack. My local greasy diner requires it's dish dogs and bus boys to pass regular urine drug screening; you'd think that would also be a requirement for the Oval Office, but alas, no..

It is HIGHLY relevent if Obama has HIV from his alleged activities (since being a promiscuous drug-using homosexual would put him at the apex of suspects to carry HIV or even have full-blown AIDS). Being in the throes of AIDS, even with today's medicines to keep it in check, stress is the number one morbid predictor for survival of AIDS. Guess what the presidency will be this time around?...yep...stressfull...very stressfull.

Of course issues like the economy, the BigOil corporate monopoly that's forced us into bankruptcy to gain its hostile takeover of sovereign Iraq's oil, the foreclosure crises, etc. etc. etc. Naturally these issues are most important. But in order to solve them it follows that one must be alive to do so.

Well half of congress probably smokes crack and has prostitutes, so that doesnt bother me.

The murder of the church member who came out on his relationship with Obama is more important I think

[pocketfullofshells]

how is it that Idiots always on the Right always come up with the Dem running for POTUS, or that is, is ordering Hits on people?

sad how dumb and gullible some people are to internet rumor and hype.

[Sihouette]

What if He has Sars?

Or Ebola?

Maybe he has Polio......

Polio wouldn't be so bad. He could get around in a wheelchair and govern effectively. Once the acute stage is survived, the survivor can lead a strong enough life in many cases to govern like FDR did.

Sars? Well, again, if he survived it, then he should be fine. Ebola? Probably statistically wouldn't survive that.

They are much different than AIDS though. The end result of AIDS in a person under a lot of stress, statistically, is fairly rapid death. He could be the one in a billion who spontaneously remisses and recovers but would we want to chance the nation on that?

[report 2005] As there is still neither a cure for AIDS nor a vaccine to prevent HIV infection, an AIDS diagnosis remains associated with a death sentence..

..As part of a charity program V1 has been offered at Wat Phra Baht Nam Phu—a Buddhist hospice for end-stage AIDS patients. Out of 117 approached individuals, 53 decided to take V1 and 64 declined the treatment...

..The difference was statistically significant by Wilcoxon signed rank test (P = 0.000089). Patients who remained alive were followed until the last patient died at 142 weeks. Based on the main outcome, i.e. time to death, patients on V1 had a 15.8 times longer life expectancy than the control group. Source:http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VKN-4GV9B4J-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=ff47150289a4a65a79e0cbb3d1067a65

With cutting-edge treatment once a person enters full-blown AIDS and the wasting process that accompanies it, the best group's longest-surviving member only made it about 2 2/3 years. Add in stress of unbelievable proportions, the kind that will make full-colored hair on a healthy person turn white in four years, and you've got a prediction of much less than that.

[NO Obamanation]

how is it that Idiots always on the Right always come up with the Dem running for POTUS, or that is, is ordering Hits on people?

sad how dumb and gullible some people are to internet rumor and hype.




Instead of calling me an idiot, how about you explain to me why it should not be concerning when a fellow church member of 20 years comes out and says he did drugs and had sex with Obama, and then within 30 days of this he is murdered.

If you could explain this in a way that made sense I probably wouldn’t feel it was something that should be further looked at.

[Sihouette]

No Obamanation, do you have any transcripts on that allegation? I may have missed them earlier in this thread.

Where, when and how did this church member come out about what happened between him and Obama?

[pocketfullofshells]

Instead of calling me an idiot, how about you explain to me why it should not be concerning when a fellow church member of 20 years comes out and says he did drugs and had sex with Obama, and then within 30 days of this he is murdered.

If you could explain this in a way that made sense I probably wouldn’t feel it was something that should be further looked at.


Becuse you have Zero to show that Obama had anything to do with it.

I said Yesterday That Bush was a Idiot...today a car almost ran me off the road...It must be connected. Bush Tried to Kill me....Unless you can prove that he did not I will just say he did...

[pocketfullofshells]

http://images.politico.com/global/080618_sinclairscreengrab_s.jpg

"Addressing the Pueblo County theft charges, Sinclair swore in a 2004 affidavit that his "ALLEGED VICTIM SEEKS TO USE DEFENDANT AS SCAPE GOAT FOR HER HUSBANDS AND BROTHERS PROBLEMS WITH MEXICAN DRUG DEALERS."

"according to arrest records. Colorado records list him with 13 aliases, including "Larye Vizcarra Avila" and "Mohammed Gahanan."

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM103_dn5.html

http://larrysinclair0926.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/colorado-motion-to-dismiss-and-affidavit-in-support.pdf
( Note read #5 in support or his appeal to Dismiss..."Deffendent has reason to fear for his safety if he returns to Colorado)

http:
//www.politico.com/static/PPM103_dn9to18.htm (http://www.politico.com/static/PPM103_dn9to18.htm)

Read this, its his 97 times for infractions including assault, threats, drug possession, intimidation, and verbal abuse




NoObama,.....this is your worthless source...and God can anyone guess why someone may have killed his worthless ass? I mean seems like such a loving guy, and those Mexican gangs must love him. Also He already had filed documents saying people where trying to hurt him ......


And I am sorry if you think I called you a idot...I thought it was just implied based on your belief of this guys story :)

[pocketfullofshells]

Do you even have a link that shows he died? I hope its true of course, but I cant even find a single thing online that says the dude is dead...I hope it was the Mexican gangs that did it, and he suffered alot :)

[top gun]

I'm just saying that the guy does look guant, much like a couple people I've known who have slid downhill with AIDS, that given that and also this youtube guy's claims...

this youtube guys claims... that's what you are spending all this time on wishfully trying to character assassinate a wonderful Christian Husband & Father not to mention a respected and highly background checked United States Senator... youtube guy claims.

Please do not go outside when it rains! Karma! :mad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsjYANk13XY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNQtEhwPRQw

[NO Obamanation]

No Obamanation, do you have any transcripts on that allegation? I may have missed them earlier in this thread.

Where, when and how did this church member come out about what happened between him and Obama?

ill have to go back but its in this thread, there are 3 links in one post then there are a couple more posts with a link in it, its in there some place but its almost midnight so ill have to look tomorrow. you could google his name.

let me google that much for now and look for the rest tomorrow

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/donald-young-the-gay-choirmaster-at-obamas-church-telephoned-me-not-long-before-he-was-murdered-how-did-he-know-who-i-was-and-how-to-contact-me-before-i-went-public-with-my-allegations-about-oba/

here is one link but you can go back to my past posts there are other links there.

this will give you the names you need to do more searching.

[NO Obamanation]

http://images.politico.com/global/080618_sinclairscreengrab_s.jpg

"Addressing the Pueblo County theft charges, Sinclair swore in a 2004 affidavit that his "ALLEGED VICTIM SEEKS TO USE DEFENDANT AS SCAPE GOAT FOR HER HUSBANDS AND BROTHERS PROBLEMS WITH MEXICAN DRUG DEALERS."

"according to arrest records. Colorado records list him with 13 aliases, including "Larye Vizcarra Avila" and "Mohammed Gahanan."

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM103_dn5.html

http://larrysinclair0926.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/colorado-motion-to-dismiss-and-affidavit-in-support.pdf
( Note read #5 in support or his appeal to Dismiss..."Deffendent has reason to fear for his safety if he returns to Colorado)

http:
//www.politico.com/static/PPM103_dn9to18.htm (http://www.politico.com/static/PPM103_dn9to18.htm)

Read this, its his 97 times for infractions including assault, threats, drug possession, intimidation, and verbal abuse




NoObama,.....this is your worthless source...and God can anyone guess why someone may have killed his worthless ass? I mean seems like such a loving guy, and those Mexican gangs must love him. Also He already had filed documents saying people where trying to hurt him ......


And I am sorry if you think I called you a idot...I thought it was just implied based on your belief of this guys story :)

No one has said Sinclair is dead.

Donald Young, the choir director at Obama's church for 20 years is the one who was murdered in his apartment a month after saying he too had a sexual relationship with Obama and did crack cocaine with Obama.

And yes the Chicago police department said that Donald Young is dead, murdered and they are investigating the murder.

Trinity United church of Christ also said that Donald Young is dead, and they hired another choir director.

[NO Obamanation]

Do you even have a link that shows he died? I hope its true of course, but I cant even find a single thing online that says the dude is dead...I hope it was the Mexican gangs that did it, and he suffered alot :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fWtLun2eJY&feature=related

Ok here is an ABC news cast about Donald Young's murder, his funeral and even an interview with Rev. Wright about the life and death of Donald young.

Apparently 3 different open homosexuals from Trinity United Church have been murdered within 40 days of eachother. The murderer in none of the cases has been found but all were killed execution style.

ALONE it means nothing, just a murder. It is only because he came out about his relationship with Obama right before he was killed that it concerns me.

I understand that if it were just Sinclair it would be one random weirdo saying what ever. If you check my first post on this topic I said as much. It was only after finding out there was a second person that had a real solid connection to Obama saying the same thing, then being killed that I thought there might be more to the story than just the first nut job.

This guy went to Obama's church for the same amount of time Obama did and he came out to Sinclair about his relationship, and Sinclair came out to the public about it THEN THE GUY DIED

Call me what ever names you would like, try to make me shut up but it won’t work. I am unconcerned with how you feel about me. This is worth looking into and worth talking about and I am going to. You seem so upset about it. How dare anyone question Obama?

If this were any other politician I would want to talk about it then too. It is not just that it’s Obama its fishy no matter who it is about.

[Sihouette]

Speaking of Tony Snow and his death...

Here he is in an interview with Bill O'Reily in February this year beating back trash talk of McCain on behalf of the New York Times by dropping hints about Obama? And how no one is talking about "this prominent democrat's" schenanigans, so why was The New York Times talking about McCain's..

Sort of like "hey, if they're going to talk trash about McCain, we're going to let out the stuff we know about "this prominent democrat"...

The GOP, once Obama is in place, will unleash this story. I was wondering if the Chicago extermination of four aspiring candidates to run against Obama was going to be their hinge...but that pales in comparison to this story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjPuVJwWg-Q

BTW, thanks Obamanation for pointing me in the direction of this stuff.

And here's the million dollar question which proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that GOP has BigMedia in its pocket, why, oh why if they have the goods and everyone in the press knows about this blight on Obama's name, W-H-Y ARE THEY HOLDING BACK?????

The ONLY answer could be that they want Obama to officially nudge out Clinton for the nomination and then go on to defeat democrats by releasing this story just after the Denver Convention.

Since when does the Press participate in a delay gag on their material...especially material as potent as this. Talk about BIG NEWS!

I knew it. I knew it all along. This Obama trap thing. The only thing I didn't know was exactly what they'd use. I guess I'm just late on buying smear stuff. But if they've got the goods and this story has teeth...Obama is finished. It's a done deal. We might as well concede the election to republicans right now and save taxpayers millions of dollars in election costs this November.

[NO Obamanation]

Speaking of Tony Snow and his death...

Here he is in an interview with Bill O'Reily in February this year beating back trash talk of McCain on behalf of the New York Times by dropping hints about Obama? And how no one is talking about "this prominent democrat's" schenanigans, so why was The New York Times talking about McCain's..

Sort of like "hey, if they're going to talk trash about McCain, we're going to let out the stuff we know about "this prominent democrat"...

The GOP, once Obama is in place, will unleash this story. I was wondering if the Chicago extermination of four aspiring candidates to run against Obama was going to be their hinge...but that pales in comparison to this story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjPuVJwWg-Q

BTW, thanks Obamanation for pointing me in the direction of this stuff.

And here's the million dollar question which proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that GOP has BigMedia in its pocket, why, oh why if they have the goods and everyone in the press knows about this blight on Obama's name, W-H-Y ARE THEY HOLDING BACK?????

The ONLY answer could be that they want Obama to officially nudge out Clinton for the nomination and then go on to defeat democrats by releasing this story just after the Denver Convention.

Since when does the Press participate in a delay gag on their material...especially material as potent as this. Talk about BIG NEWS!

I knew it. I knew it all along. This Obama trap thing. The only thing I didn't know was exactly what they'd use. I guess I'm just late on buying smear stuff. But if they've got the goods and this story has teeth...Obama is finished. It's a done deal. We might as well concede the election to republicans right now and save taxpayers millions of dollars in election costs this November.


I think the story will end up on main stream news soon. Remember the rev stuff was in the closet for literally over a year. So was the William Aires (spelling) I knew about both and all the stuff that eventually ended up on the news over a year before, but the actual news would not touch it except for Hannity.

Then one day BOOM!!! ABC picked up the story and every one else ran with it.

I think part of it is no one wants to be the first one to attack obama and be called racist, part of it is they hope if no one is saying anything it will go away, and i think the people on the right who have not talked about it are waiting for the convention as not to give a reason to the supers to change back to Clinton.

I think it’s pretty obvious that Obama did the drug stuff, and I think that is what he is most afraid to get out. He probably did the sex stuff too, but that would only hurt him with the far right and they already hate his guts. So it is a non issue.

I don’t think he killed anyone or had anyone killed but i do think there is a possibility that someone did it thinking it would help obama. A nutty friend, and lord does he have plenty of those.


Either way this Sinclair man is asking for 2 things. He wants Obama to do the lie detector test as he did (reason is to prove he did do drugs and hard drugs as early as 1999 while a sitting state senator,)

that is how this whole thing came about. Sinclair saw Obama say he never did crack and that he has done no drugs since he was a teen. That is when he contacted Obama and said he was coming out unless Obama told the truth.

2 for his phone records to be released for that 2 day period before Donald Young died.

That’s not much to ask

[Sihouette]

I think the story will end up on main stream news soon.

I can be a bit more precise than that...

I think the story will end up on main stream news exactly at the stroke of midnight upon Obama's official nomination as democratic candidate.

Timing is everything after all..

[pocketfullofshells]

Tony snow what Bush's Press Sec....So whas Scott Mcclellan....Bush's polls are in the dumps even more after Mcclellans attacks....Its clear to me that Bush had Tony Snow killed and faked it to look like it was from his cancer. Why has Bush not come out and stated this is not true...untill he does I will guess that it must be becuse he is scared of the facts....

[NO Obamanation]

Tony snow what Bush's Press Sec....So whas Scott Mcclellan....Bush's polls are in the dumps even more after Mcclellans attacks....Its clear to me that Bush had Tony Snow killed and faked it to look like it was from his cancer. Why has Bush not come out and stated this is not true...untill he does I will guess that it must be becuse he is scared of the facts....

Not a very good analogy.

This would be a better one.


Mcclellan announces he is about to do a tell all book, Bush and Co. doesnt want that book written. Someone off's Mcclellan before he has a chance to write the book but not until it was clear there was a motive. Mcclellan's murder is not solved.


You really are taking this topic personally. You have slammed me in 2 other non related threads about this thread/topic.

[pocketfullofshells]

Not a very good analogy.

This would be a better one.


Mcclellan announces he is about to do a tell all book, Bush and Co. doesnt want that book written. Someone off's Mcclellan before he has a chance to write the book but not until it was clear there was a motive. Mcclellan's murder is not solved.


You really are taking this topic personally. You have slammed me in 2 other non related threads about this thread/topic.


thats becuse it goes to the core of how little real thought you put into anything based on logic.

[Sihouette]

Here's an excerpt from the Amercian Free Press article on the alledged Obama scandal that apparently everyone in the press knows is "in play" but is waiting for some reason to leak it to mainstream...although it's been on the internet for months. God how BigMedia must hate the internet...:cool:

Three Members of Obama’s Church Killed

Investigator close to case believes there’s more to the brutal murders than mainstream press is letting on

By Victor Thorn

Is a Barack Obama bombshell lurking in the shadows, waiting to derail one of the biggest Cinderella stories in recent history?

While most political prognosticators in the mainstream press presume that Obama is the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, they still wonder aloud if Hillary Clinton (or some other entity) has something up their sleeve.

The bombshell may involve the murder of Donald Young, a 47-year-old choir master at former Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ—the same congregation that Obama has attended for the past 20 years. Two other young black men that attended the same church—Larry Bland and Nate Spencer—were also murdered execution style with bullets to the backs of their heads—all within 40 days of each other, beginning in November 2007. All three were openly homosexual.

What links this story to Barack Obama is that, according to an acquaintance of Obama, Larry Sinclair, Obama is a closet bisexual with whom he had sexual and drug-related encounters in November 1999.

Further, Sinclair claims that Obama was friendly with at least two of these deceased parishioners, and that choir director Donald had contacted him shortly before being murdered from multiple gunshot wounds on December 23, 2007.

These killings are receiving a number of different reactions. Mike Parker, reporting for CBS in Chicago, wrote, “Activists fear gay African-Americans are being targeted for murder,” while Marc Loveless of the Coalition for Justice and Respect queries, “Are we under attack? Is this a serial killer?”

An even more sinister aspect of this case is being investigated. According to Sinclair in an affidavit to the Chicago Police Department, Donald Young had informed him that he and Barack Obama were “intimate” with each other. Sinclair, it should be noted, declared on a January 18, 2008, YouTube video that on two separate occasions in November 1999, he engaged in sexual acts with Obama, and that Obama smoked crack cocaine—once in a limousine and the other time at a hotel in Gurnee, Ill.

Sinclair has also asked: why would Young—whom he had never met—initiate these calls by contacting him on cell phone numbers known only in the Obama camp? Further, a private investigator connected to the Chicago Police Department told the Globe, “Donald Young was silenced because of something he knew about Obama. Donald was in a position where he heard a lot of things and saw a lot of things concerning Barack.”

Another questionable Obama associate is openly homosexual. That person is Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig, who was listed during the 2008 campaign as being part of Obama’s “technology initiative.”

In April, Lessig showed a video at a Google seminar entitled Jesus Christ: The Musical where “Jesus Christ lip-syncs Gloria Gaynor’s late 1970s disco hit I Will Survive during which he strips down to just a diaper, effeminately struts along a city street, and finally gets run over by a speeding bus.”

Are three murders within the span of 40 days among members of America’s most discussed church—one run by the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright—enough to arouse the suspicions of Chicago law enforcement officials and members of the national media?

Or, as Sinclair wrote in a May 18 email, was the murder of Young “made to look similar to other recent murders as to make it look as if it were a hate crime” because he had become a political liability?..
Source: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/members_of_obama_s_church_kill.html

If you look back in this thread I was as wilfully opposed to discussion of this story as any "reasonable" person. But curiosity got the better of me and I took a look, if nothing else just to see what the GOP might have planned to upset the race post-Denver for an easy Obama defeat. Sure enough, there's a passed polygraph test and a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjPuVJwWg-Q indicating that the press knows this story is viable "in play" and is waiting for some cue to release it.

My contention is that Obama supporters, instead of denying the story exists, or is meritless, should look at the fact that it has teeth enough to be used by the GOP in a pinch. Obama pulling ahead post-Denver in the polls can be a double-edged sword. If the GOP senses that they need to rope in middle ground or even black votes (the murdered gay men were black), they may "stoop" to leaking the story to mainstream...while denying any connection with the leak... Then watch the caca hit the fan.

I think Obama supporters should gear-up and have alibis for the potentially-to-be-accused in-advance. They should research the subject thoroughly and come up with a counter-offensive in order to give their democratic candidate a bit more than an ice-cube's chance in hell of getting elected. Remember, many of the voters they need are hispanic catholics who will not favor a candidate where evidence points to his either being gay or using drugs. The middle won't like it either. Conservatives won't even glance his direction and the suspected murder of gay black men may even extinguish almost all of even the far left support. If this story "leaks" out in any measurably credible way, the only people left who will vote for Obama will be his wife and close relatives.

Get your ducks in a row Obama supporters. The end of the Denver convention is the beginning of GOP open-hunting season...

[top gun]

I can be a bit more precise than that...

I think the story will end up on main stream news exactly at the stroke of midnight upon Obama's official nomination as democratic candidate.




Well at least you've finally accepted who the nominee is. That's something. :D

[NO Obamanation]

Here's an excerpt from the Amercian Free Press article on the alledged Obama scandal that apparently everyone in the press knows is "in play" but is waiting for some reason to leak it to mainstream...although it's been on the internet for months. God how BigMedia must hate the internet...:cool:



If you look back in this thread I was as wilfully opposed to discussion of this story as any "reasonable" person. But curiosity got the better of me and I took a look, if nothing else just to see what the GOP might have planned to upset the race post-Denver for an easy Obama defeat. Sure enough, there's a passed polygraph test and a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjPuVJwWg-Q indicating that the press knows this story is viable "in play" and is waiting for some cue to release it.

My contention is that Obama supporters, instead of denying the story exists, or is meritless, should look at the fact that it has teeth enough to be used by the GOP in a pinch. Obama pulling ahead post-Denver in the polls can be a double-edged sword. If the GOP senses that they need to rope in middle ground or even black votes (the murdered gay men were black), they may "stoop" to leaking the story to mainstream...while denying any connection with the leak... Then watch the caca hit the fan.

I think Obama supporters should gear-up and have alibis for the potentially-to-be-accused in-advance. They should research the subject thoroughly and come up with a counter-offensive in order to give their democratic candidate a bit more than an ice-cube's chance in hell of getting elected. Remember, many of the voters they need are hispanic catholics who will not favor a candidate where evidence points to his either being gay or using drugs. The middle won't like it either. Conservatives won't even glance his direction and the suspected murder of gay black men may even extinguish almost all of even the far left support. If this story "leaks" out in an