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Popeye

08-12-2008, 03:58 PM

NO Obamanation

08-12-2008, 03:59 PM

Not all republicans are jerks?

Do you mean if you are a republican you are not a jerk if you vote for obama, but if you dont then you are a jerk?

What are dems who do not want to vote for obama?

Mr.Dysfunctional

08-12-2008, 04:06 PM

This is actually getting tiring .. Can't we keep from throwing useless names against whoever doesn't directly follow our same principles.

Can we find no common ground considering that no matter how you slice it.. we all bleed the same and all care what is happening in the world...

This isn't YT.. lets keep it a bit cleanier .. please ?!?!

Popeye

08-12-2008, 04:18 PM

Not all republicans are jerks?

Do you mean if you are a republican you are not a jerk if you vote for obama, but if you dont then you are a jerk?

What are dems who do not want to vote for obama?

I thought my statement was clear enough...not all Republicans are jerks. Meaning, in my mind, the majority are.

Democrats that vote for McCain are traitors and in my opinion are not real Democrats. Since you favor the dark side it is up to you as to what you consider these Pubs but IMO they are Republicans that have seen the light.

NO Obamanation

08-12-2008, 04:59 PM

I thought my statement was clear enough...not all Republicans are jerks. Meaning, in my mind, the majority are.

Democrats that vote for McCain are traitors and in my opinion are not real Democrats. Since you favor the dark side it is up to you as to what you consider these Pubs but IMO they are Republicans that have seen the light.

I guess it wasnt clear for me but it is now. Interesting!

top gun

08-12-2008, 05:34 PM

Not all Republicans are jerks. In a conference call with reporters today the formation of the group "Republicans for Obama" was announced. Three Republicans....former Rep. Jim Leach of Iowa, former Sen. Lincoln Chafee of RI, and former WH. intelligence adviser Rita Hauser spoke about the group and why they support Obama. The group plans to have a website up in a couple of days.

Leach:

"In my judgment there's a difference between realism and pseudo-realism The pseudo-realists believe that we can operate in the world alone, that expanding international law doesn't matter, that things like arms control are false starts."You try to work with allies, rather than without them, and that is the kind of realism that I think is common sense to the vast majority of the American people, and that's what Senator Obama is reflecting in so many of his speeches."

Chafee said that we “we’ve seen our credibility shattered” over the last eight years. Leach added, “The prospect that we’ll have more of the same....that is the source of angst of many Republicans around the country."

Hauser said that while it was hard to walk away from her party's nominee she had to "put country first."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/12/1261942.aspx

I know quite a few Republican personally that are voting for Senator Obama this time. Even my brother who always votes Republican says he'll either vote for Obama this time because he believes that McCain is going to continue along the Bush lines... or he's just not going to vote at all.

I know at work there are a bunch of guys that I would never expect to be voting for Democrats but it's true the old saying... people vote with their pocketbooks and the Bush economic pinch on the middle class working stiff is converting people as much as the quagmire in Iraq.

I have to say seeing all those work trucks with OBAMA 08 bumper stickers makes me smile!

GenSeneca

08-12-2008, 05:40 PM

I guess it wasnt clear for me but it is now. Interesting!

Psychological Projection: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)

psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.

What is the Leftist view of the Right? Authoritarian; Marching in Lock step to the Party Line, Destroyers of Civil Liberties, Unconcerned for Constitutional Limits, Power Hungry, etc...

People who are intellectually honest recognize there are segments on both sides that fit the above stereotype. The rest just point fingers and pretend "their" party is the good one....

NO Obamanation

08-12-2008, 06:00 PM

Psychological Projection: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)

What is the Leftist view of the Right? Authoritarian; Marching in Lock step to the Party Line, Destroyers of Civil Liberties, Unconcerned for Constitutional Limits, Power Hungry, etc...

People who are intellectually honest recognize there are segments on both sides that fit the above stereotype. The rest just point fingers and pretend "their" party is the good one....

I admit when I first read that I thought it was pretty crappy. What kind of place has America become if you are defined as something horrible if you don't agree to vote the way they say.

But then I got to thinking of my low opinion of (Liberal) Democrats. Not just normal democrats, I am fine with them.

I think of the Liberals as anti American. People who actually want our country to fail and will do what ever they have to do to make that happen. I view them as the most intolerant group out there; I really have nothing decent to say about them....

So after considering what I think of them, how can I really be upset with anything they think about others?

Popeye

08-12-2008, 06:09 PM

I admit when I first read that I thought it was pretty crappy. What kind of place has America become if you are defined as something horrible if you don't agree to vote the way they say.

But then I got to thinking of my low opinion of (Liberal) Democrats. Not just normal democrats, I am fine with them.

I think of the Liberals as anti American. People who actually want our country to fail and will do what ever they have to do to make that happen. I view them as the most intolerant group out there; I really have nothing decent to say about them....

So after considering what I think of them, how can I really be upset with anything they think about others?

What you and others of your ilk don't seem to understand is that Liberals aren't anti American but they don't wish to put blinders on either. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism, something today's GOP seems to have forgotten.

NO Obamanation

08-12-2008, 06:15 PM

What you and others of your ilk don't seem to understand is that Liberals aren't anti American but they don't wish to put blinders on either. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism, something today's GOP seems to have forgotten.

Oh I wouldn’t think a person should have to be a republican or a certain kind of republican to not be anti American.

I know a whole lot of true blue democrats, some even that are going to vote for Obama that I consider very patriotic. But I honestly can’t say I have ever met, or read the words of a die hard liberal who had anything decent to say about America. And the only two groups of American people I have ever come across that are just flat not tolerant to others are the far far right and the far far left. Both bother me. The people in the middle do not always like what someone else says but they give them the freedom to say it.

Anyways my point in post was that I actually feel bad for first thinking your post was crap.... I have similar feelings as you do just about liberals rather than republicans.

Mr.Dysfunctional

08-12-2008, 06:16 PM

I thought this was an Intresting quote...

Figured I would share it with you would be OBAMABOTS as I have so lovingly taken from Lib.

Behold the wonders of the Donkey-Elephant Janus.

With the recent FISA legislation passage, can ANYONE still maintain that there is some sort of meaningful difference between Obama (and any other Donkey) and Bush (or any other Elephant) where your and my civil rights are concerned?

If we have no civil rights, what good is all the "hope" and "change" promised by Obama? Surely his offered "hope" isn't one for "change" of the situation regarding our civil rights -- look at where he just voted IN FAVOR OF the continued fiasco known as FISA.

All of you out there -- please stop supporting the fantasy of Obama being an agent of change. Accept the fact that things are irreparably broken in the Federal Government leadership. Start thinking of how you'd like to see things changed. And then start working for that set of changes.

Barack Obama isn't the man for the change. Nor is John McCain. And it's very likely that NOBODY who is elected through the current process will be interested in mounting any sort of meaningful change. That's why the process must be seen as irreparably broken -- because that's what it is!

http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1565/135/

GenSeneca

08-12-2008, 06:17 PM

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism, something today's GOP seems to have forgotten.

You don't really believe that... You want all us "backward thinkers" to fall in line if Obama is president, "Unite for the good of the country" and all that PARTISAN nonsense.

Admit it already, dissent is only patriotic when there's a Republican in the White House. You've already called fellow Democrats who don't support Obama traitors, dissent against Obama is NOT tolerated by him or his supporters... I hope some people out there are not so blinded with Anti-Bush rage that you cannot see the Authoritarian nature of the hard Left.

UShadItComing

08-12-2008, 08:05 PM

Commie socialist pinkos, every one of them general, you tell em!

NO Obamanation

08-12-2008, 08:24 PM

You don't really believe that... You want all us "backward thinkers" to fall in line if Obama is president, "Unite for the good of the country" and all that PARTISAN nonsense.

Admit it already, dissent is only patriotic when there's a Republican in the White House. You've already called fellow Democrats who don't support Obama traitors, dissent against Obama is NOT tolerated by him or his supporters... I hope some people out there are not so blinded with Anti-Bush rage that you cannot see the Authoritarian nature of the hard Left.

I cant wait till I can be full of dissent. I have never really shown open hostility to the president and called it dissent, but if Obama gets elected I am all excited to show my dissent :)

GenSeneca

08-12-2008, 09:00 PM

I cant wait till I can be full of dissent. I have never really shown open hostility to the president and called it dissent, but if Obama gets elected I am all excited to show my dissent :)

You and me both! I'll be cheering on the Republicans for ANY obstructions they put in his path... I'm REALLY looking forward to the Obama-Hitler posters.

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/KG3/BFH_obamahitler.jpg

And of course "Obama Lied, People Died!" We can recycle ALL the garbage propaganda that the Left has used against Bush and throwing right back at the Left.

NO Obamanation

08-12-2008, 09:03 PM

you and me both! I'll be cheering on the republicans for any obstructions they put in his path... I'm really looking forward to the obama-hitler posters.

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/kg3/bfh_obamahitler.jpg

and of course "obama lied, people died!" we can recycle all the garbage propaganda that the left has used against bush and throwing right back at the left.

i freaking love it!

NO Obamanation

08-12-2008, 09:05 PM

You and me both! I'll be cheering on the Republicans for ANY obstructions they put in his path... I'm REALLY looking forward to the Obama-Hitler posters.

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/KG3/BFH_obamahitler.jpg

And of course "Obama Lied, People Died!" We can recycle ALL the garbage propaganda that the Left has used against Bush and throwing right back at the Left.

Funny thing is it fits more

hitler liked killing the inocent,
obama likes voting to kill babies

i bet obama was for offing terry shivo too
where bush was trying to save her life

i always thought it was funny when the strange ones would do the bush hitler thing, they are the ones who justify killing babies, killing terry shivo, and so on.

UShadItComing

08-13-2008, 09:26 AM

Good picture general. That's the first one you've posted that makes any sense. Whoever your next pres is he is surely going to be a Nazi!

Sihouette

08-13-2008, 10:09 AM

Republicans have always been for Obama. Just not for the reasons that many would think.

The Obama Trap.

UShadItComing

08-13-2008, 11:54 AM

Is this going to turn into another of your friday the 13th. conspiracy theories Sihouette?

top gun

08-13-2008, 01:29 PM

Funny thing is it fits more

hitler liked killing the inocent,
obama likes voting to kill babies

i bet obama was for offing terry shivo too
where bush was trying to save her life

i always thought it was funny when the strange ones would do the bush hitler thing, they are the ones who justify killing babies, killing terry shivo, and so on.

Or the real facts...

Senator Obama is for the individual woman to decides what's best in her own terms and her own personal situation with her own mind. Not the government.

And in the Terri Shivo case the courts made the correct decision. It was left up to her next own of kin... as it should be. Not the government.

Nobody is Hitler. But people like George Bush and especially John McCain see every solution to every possible conflict to be an invasion or an occupation.

That is warmongering and something old Adolph would definitely approve of.

GenSeneca

08-13-2008, 11:09 PM

A few inconvenient facts:

In February 2004, U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama's wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the "alarming news" that "right-wing politicians" had passed a law stopping doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls. (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51121)

And then:

Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.

BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother's right to "choose" stopped at her baby's delivery.

But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.

Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women's rights or abortionists' rights. Obama's clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed. (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51121)

Yes We Can! (Kill both the Born and Unborn)

NO Obamanation

08-14-2008, 03:51 AM

A few inconvenient facts:

And then:

Yes We Can! (Kill both the Born and Unborn)

killing of the born and unborn based on the non value of life according to the one making the choice to do it.

Hitler did select certian people to live and certian people to die based on if he thought the life was valuable.

That is far more like hitler than going to war

but really neither are like Hitler, I just want to be patriotic too so I am practicing how I can show my disent

Jeugenen

08-16-2008, 04:13 PM

OBAMA OVERTHROWN BY REALITY

1. Obama is not overthrown without first overthrowing his ideas.
2. Obama is not overthrown without taking into account both his failures and successes.
3. The failings of Obama’s friends do not overthrow Obama.
4. The strong case for Obama is not overthrown by the weak case against him.

top gun

08-16-2008, 08:14 PM

GenSeneca;55232]A few inconvenient facts:

Actually she said none of those specific things did she? You embellished it with what you "wanted" it to say and left out completely the reason why there was a problem in the first place. Because it left out "EXCEPT FOR THE HEALTH (read that life) OF THE MOTHER".

Here's that very letter...

February 17, 2004

Dear Friends:

We have all been concerned lately with the rise of conservatism in this country, especially as it relates to women. You've read the alarming news about the Justice Departments request for hospitals to turn over the private medical records of dozens of patients. This cynical ploy is designed to intimidate a group of physicians and force them to drop their lawsuit seeking to have the so-called partial birth abortion ban ruled unconstitutional.

The fact remains, with no provision to protect the health of the mother, this ban on a legitimate medical procedure is clearly unconstitutional and must be overturned. Attorney General Ashcroft and president bush believe so zealously in their cause that the privacy rights of patients are under assault. They believe we have no federal right to privacy when it concerns our medical histories...

_________________________________________

Once the Supreme Court took into account "viability" the estimated time-line that a fetus could live outside the womb the only time the late term abortion becomes an issue is pertaining to life of the mother.

No woman should have to die or have a reasonable chance of dieing because her physician is not allowed to do a medical procedure that could save her life.

It's not a perfect world. It's one... or the other... or both in this extreme situation. I don't seem to hear those wonderful caring Pro-Lifers caring one little bit about the woman who bleeds out on the table due to either sudden or sometimes even predicted & foreseen complications and dies.

Do people really believe there are mothers and doctors running around out there holding off on an abortion to this stage just because they want to go through or perform a much more dangerous procedure?

Of course not... it's ridiculous.

GenSeneca

08-16-2008, 08:42 PM

This cynical ploy is designed to intimidate a group of physicians and force them to drop their lawsuit seeking to have the so-called partial birth abortion ban ruled unconstitutional.

I guess you don't even know what partial birth abortions are.... because its exactly as described in the article I quoted. We're not talking about "inviable tissue mass" but Premature babies getting the back of their necks cut open to have their brain sucked out - while still in the womb.

And as for your claim that he opposed BAIPA because there was no "Safety of the Mother" clause... Thats just SICK logic!

BAIPA: Born Alive Infant Protection Act

The baby is BORN and its ALIVE... Exactly what what concerns about the "mothers safety" would permit a child - born and out of the womb - to be aborted?

NO Obamanation

08-16-2008, 08:55 PM

I guess you don't even know what partial birth abortions are.... because its exactly as described in the article I quoted. We're not talking about "inviable tissue mass" but Premature babies getting the back of their necks cut open to have their brain sucked out - while still in the womb.

And as for your claim that he opposed BAIPA because there was no "Safety of the Mother" clause... Thats just SICK logic!

BAIPA: Born Alive Infant Protection Act

The baby is BORN and its ALIVE... Exactly what what concerns about the "mothers safety" would permit a child - born and out of the womb - to be aborted?

Top Gun and I have gone around and around on that topic since the very first day I came to the forum. You can post charts, diagrams, pictures of the pointy thing they stab the baby with, testimony from women who held the babys for the hours before they died, testimony of a woman who sat in front of obama while he was in Ill senate asking for the born alive act, of his expression(less) face while looking at the pictures. Of how he said no.

he knows but just disagrees the child matters

GenSeneca

08-16-2008, 09:07 PM

Top Gun and I have gone around and around on that topic since the very first day I came to the forum. You can post charts, diagrams, pictures of the pointy thing they stab the baby with, testimony from women who held the babys for the hours before they died, testimony of a woman who sat in front of obama while he was in Ill senate asking for the born alive act, of his expression(less) face while looking at the pictures. Of how he said no.

he knows but just disagrees the child matters

Yeah, its like nailing pudding to the wall.