Who will run for president in 2008?

[Vlad]

Who will run for president 2008?

Discuss!

[politicskid]

i'm pretty sure hillary will try to run

[curefiend]

I think a good portion of them will try to run, if the Democrats want to pull off a victory in 2008, they should probably run with Obama (benefit: very brief period of time in the senate, voting population would be to blinded by his populist rhetoric to realize he's no different then the rest of them). Rudi Guilliani would be hard to beat, though I don't know how well he could do in the Republican Primaries.

[Vlad]

I guess we have to wait 2 years...

[TheGuru]

I want to see Hillary get CREAMED!

[TheGuru]

in the election of course.

not in a perverted way...

[curefiend]

I never understood the hostility against Hilary Clinton. While I disagree with most of her policies and how she votes in the Senate, I don't see what differentiates her from any of the others...

[GrassRootPolitician]

Senator Hillary Clinton will make history in 2008 (IF) the Democratic party back her campaign. I would love to see Hillary in the White House in 2008, and it would be nice to Hear Bill Clinton and Bruce Springsteen in session again.:cool:

[Phenom]

Response to Curefield:

Many people have hostility towards Hilary Clinton due to a book called: The Truth about Hilary. It depicts the kind of character Hilary is, the constant backstabbing of close friends, and use of her husband to get her name up in the game etc.

But she is one who really knows how to play the game of politics.

[curefiend]

That book was character assassination. If you think Hilary Clinton is the only unscrupulous politician out there you are living in a dream world. Its petty stuff like that book (and others) that ruin politics in America. Instead of focusing on actual policies and ideology, they focus on personal stuff (which is COMPLETELY subjective to whomever is doing the commentating...So you can only can only imagine that someone with a different political outlook would slander his or her opposition character). I think that also goes to show the inability to articulates ones own opinion on political philosophy, instead invalidating her policies or politics directly, they attack the character in a slick way to discredit any actual policy or ideology that person may have. Its a argumentative fallacy, anyone who has taken a remedial speech and debate class should be savvy with it.

Now don't get me wrong, I hate her politics, but to assassinate her character is absurd because know one knows her personality except those close to her. That goes for everyone public figure as well.

[Phenom]

that book was written, and interviewed based on her closest friends.

and if you hate her politics, i don't see why you have much to say about her character. Because it was her character that mostly made the kind of politician she is today.

[curefiend]

Point being is that character analysis has no room in practical politics, it is just another method of politicking itself. Her closest friends to her right now openly agreed to bash her in a book? If that is so, then it would appear to me that it shouldn't be Hilary's personal integrity that should be in question, it should those supposed friends of her.

My point being is, if there are flaws with her political career, you should be able to point them out in her policies and the way she votes in the Senate, not if she has flawed characteristics about her personality, because in all actuality, how can any one judge anyone else's character as if they themself are flawless.

[Phenom]

yes, I see your point. I was being too irrational here, you are right about the politics.

[Sleepyxkid]

Hillary Clinton will commit suicide if she isn't chosen!

=(

[moodswings]

hilary clinton? dude she would be a horrible president!

[curefiend]

I am still wondering where most of you are coming across with this special interest in Hillary Clinton's failure, because I am fairly certain its nothing but media hype. Where in Hillary's policies does she differ from the mainstream Congressman or woman?

Keep in mind I am no Hillary supporter, but I really see no difference in her policies than in any other mainline democrat or republican.

[Massangale]

Dude Hilary is awesome isn't she? what's up with all the haters in town

[GrassRootPolitician]

Hillary is macaroni with cheese of the U.S.A. I vote for President Hillary Clinton anyday,anytime,and anyplace. " GO HILLARY GO " Believe me Bill Clinton knows that he got a Super Educated,Political advanced woman. Behind every successful man is a good woman:p

[ipop]

i think hillary might run

[Vlad]

Grass, why would you vote for Hillary?

I don't think the US is ready for a female president.

[samsara15]

I'd like to see Hillary win it.

[curefiend]

I'd like to see Hillary win it.

*cringe*

America needs a new direction, we can't keep electing the leaders that we do.

[DrFelch]

The last thing America needs now is a new president with the same last name as a former president. The whole "Hillary is going to be the presumptive democratic nominee" is a republican scare strategy designed to, along with the smears and character assasination by the right wing, drive voters away from the Democratic party. If you check in with the progressive community, you find out she has VERY LITTLE GRASS ROOTS SUPPORT. I do not support her, and will vote for the most qualified "other" candidate. That said, I agree with Curefiend that ones opinion of any candidate should be informed by their political policies and record of votes etc. instead of what their so called "friends" said about them. It is like being in high school, the way the media operates in the political arena nowadays. "I'd vote for Jimmy, but he broke up with my friend Betty, and Mary says he is icky and smells bad" Grow up, people. All politicians are somewhere between a bit corrupt and totally, hellishly craven. Get over it. It is all a matter of degree, AND,.......SOMEBODY is gonna get to control our civic lives. Let's judge them on the nuts and bolts of their policies, not on heresay and gossip. What we REALLY need in this country is a total demolition of bi-partisan politics, dismantling of the two existing parties, and an open playing field. There should be 20 political parties. Not 2. There are certainly more than two viewpoints, right?

[InterestedParty]

I'd be happy if I saw Colin Powell jump into the race.

[Vlad]

why's that?

[InterestedParty]

I like Colin Powell. I have a great deal of respect for the man. He is not a politician. He is a man who has dedicated his life to serving this country for the right reasons. He is moderate. He is honest. He isn't a "yes" man to anyone. He is an expert on foreign policy, a military man and he is well versed in how to run departments and stick to budgets. He is greatly admired amongst other world leaders. He is trusted and could repair alot of the ill will or country is experiencing internationally.

I also know who I would like to see as his running mate. I won't mention that though. *lol* I just started here... I don't want to be ostrasized just yet.

By the way Mr/Ms Admin... I can't post in the regular forums yet. It won't let me. It mentioned something about posibly needing to be authenticated? Do I need to jump through a few hoops or something? Thanks in advance for anythng you can do to fix my problem. I was wondering how I was going to get someones attention.

[Vlad]

what do you mean you can't post in regular forums?

[InterestedParty]

I apologize Admin, I just tried and it allowed me. I must have done something wrong to bring up the message I got the first time I tried.

Thanks for the help I am sure you would have given me. :D

[Vlad]

no prob!

anything for an active member

[USMC the Almighty]

What an idiotic poll. All of them could run....

[bbbb]

Question: Does Obama like Solar?

:D

[leeds42us]

Oh please Let be Al Gore...

Leed42us

[matthewcrawford]

Why are all of the candidates, including the most qualified like New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, not on here?

[USN firefighter2010]

I am new to the site and this will be my first post. I am a blue collar thru and thru so I wont have big words or fancy quotes to throw into this. However I feel that Hillary has the best shot for three reasons (which will probably bring much criticism to myself). First she carries the name Clinton. Second she has probably the most financial backing. Third she will most likely carry the votes of alot of the women in the country just for the simple fact that they want to see a woman in office and completely disregard her personality and politics.

Persoanlly I would like to see McCain. A vet who survived the USS Forestal incident and a was a POW in the Vietnam war. Or Guiliani because if you can claen up NYC then think what he could do as the head of the US.

[vyo476]

USN, Hilary doesn't control a very significant portion of the female vote (especially the feminist vote). Think of what happened during the Monica Lewinsky scandal: Bill committed adultery, he was tried for it in a very, very public way, and Hilary...did nothing, tacitly giving her approval of Bill's infidelity. Way to go. She'd do a lot better with the female demographic if she'd divorced him.

To Matthew Crawford, Bill Richardson isn't on here because Bill Richardson doesn't have a prayer of winning the White House.

Al Gore for President...anyone else remember how well that turned out last time?

USMC: Thank you, you took the words pretty much out of my mouth.

Personally, I'd like to see Obama vs. Giuliani. I could live comfortably with either of them as President. McCain...if it weren't for the firmness of his stance on Iraq than I'd get behind him in a second. Hilary...oh yuck. Ms. "I'm Going To Reform Healthcare, but I Swear I Won't Mess It Up This Time!" Give me a break. If John Kerry would just move to Sweden everyone would be a lot happier, including his constituents (yes, me included...I'm from Massachusetts). Condi...well, there's a nice idea. John Edwards...does he do anything other than smile? Bill Frist...huh, don't know enough about him one way or the other, which I think kinda says something in and of itself. And if Mitt Romney gets to be President of the United States I swear to God I am moving to Canada.

[USMC the Almighty]

What about Fred Thompson? He's just seeming to emerge on the scene and it appears as though he's overtaken Romney in most polls.

I think I could get behind this guy.

[TVoffBrainOn]

What about Fred Thompson? He's just seeming to emerge on the scene and it appears as though he's overtaken Romney in most polls.

I think I could get behind this guy.

a Council on Foreign Relations member
a former lobbyist
a lawyer
another actor turned politician
a member of the American Enterprise Institute

no thank you...

[RadicalActor]

a Council on Foreign Relations member
a former lobbyist
a lawyer
another actor turned politician
a member of the American Enterprise Institute

no thank you...

Agreed.
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[kobzikov]

I want to see Hillary get CREAMED!
TheGuru,

just throw a cream pie at her next time she appears in public. That's what some college students did when they wanted to see Ann Coulter get creamed.

Though be prepared to be charged with assault or public disturbance or whatever you'd be charged with for something like that, unless you can outrun the cops.

[kobzikov]

Who will run for president 2008?

Discuss!
This is a silly question to ask in a poll. Especially since you can choose only one person as an answer.

Obviously Hilary Clinton, Barack Obama, John McCain, John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, and Mitt Romney will run since they already announced it. So unless something will prevent them from running they will run.

Though any natural-born citizen of age of 35 or older who lived past 14 years in US could become the President.

But I bet to run you don't even need to fit the requirements. Sure you have snowball's chance in hell of becoming a President if you don't fit them, but that doesn't meant that you can't run.

Not to mention that in the next year any person can join the race for the Presidency.

Come on, people. We're smarter than this.

[Vlad]

Sorry, I have no idea why I created this thread.

[Abraxis Axis]

Al Gore is the Smartest of the democratic challengers he will wait until the end to announce he is running and he will soundly trounce all other comers

[Abraxis Axis]

The REALITY...................is

that NOBODY will run for President in 2008 as there Isnt going to be an Election. the country will be plunged into martial law prior to that on any one of three scenarios .

thus allowing Bush to REMAIN in office UNTIL the National Emergency that required martial law to be enacted has been addressed. it is at that time somewhere around 2010 that the NAU will become a reality and then there will be elections after that has all been put into place


like sheep to the slaughter Americans as usual will be BEGGING to have MORE of theyre rights removed before realizing the coup after which it will of course be too late

[vyo476]

The REALITY...................is

that NOBODY will run for President in 2008 as there Isnt going to be an Election. the country will be plunged into martial law prior to that on any one of three scenarios .

thus allowing Bush to REMAIN in office UNTIL the National Emergency that required martial law to be enacted has been addressed. it is at that time somewhere around 2010 that the NAU will become a reality and then there will be elections after that has all been put into place


like sheep to the slaughter Americans as usual will be BEGGING to have MORE of theyre rights removed before realizing the coup after which it will of course be too late

You're a delusional, paranoid buffoon. There are some things the American people would take sitting down but this just isn't one of them. A President whose popularity ratings have bottomed out in the 20th percentile remaining in office past the end of his term amidst accusations of extreme corruption, war profiteering, and incompetence? No way.

If we see a big enough cataclysm to cause what you're talking about here you can expect that before that day is through impeachment proceedings for George W. Bush will have begun. He's the scapegoat for everything these days and while he deserves a lot of it, I think the potential for it to get out of hand is fully realizable. This is how it would be realized.

[Abraxis Axis]

You're a delusional, paranoid buffoon. There are some things the American people would take sitting down but this just isn't one of them. A President whose popularity ratings have bottomed out in the 20th percentile remaining in office past the end of his term amidst accusations of extreme corruption, war profiteering, and incompetence? No way.

If we see a big enough cataclysm to cause what you're talking about here you can expect that before that day is through impeachment proceedings for George W. Bush will have begun. He's the scapegoat for everything these days and while he deserves a lot of it, I think the potential for it to get out of hand is fully realizable. This is how it would be realized.
Thanks for the Raving Compliment friend. You speak of an American people who no longer exists .Im sure from your side of the pond it looks differently but allow me to assure you the American people are NOWHERE in tune as you believe them to be

The Nau is fast approaching and it is simply another step towards Globalization at this point anyone looking in has to admit the fact that AMERICA stands in the way of true global power and control. therefore it needs to go away


this can and will be achieved by the PNAC and the NWO the framework has been being layed for years. I have had holocaust survivors warning me for 10 yrs now that we are going the route that germany did yet the people are all wrapped up in theyre lives and dont see it


Or then we have those like yourself who may see it but REFUSE to admit its possible and instead bury your heads in the sand. amy one of three scenarios stand on the precipe of the fall of America

I agree with you that at one time Americans would have been all over this....they are far too busy elsewhwere and worrying about Anna Nicole Smiths Baby to pay attention to the wolf in the hen house....the number of us who see it is small and as YOU have so ELOQUENTLY demonstrated
we are ridiculed by the majority


they will be BEGGING us later to help them .but it will be too late. paranoid ? maybe But i can read between the lines and i have a good grasp of history. its all layed out if you just look beyond the surface

The American people will NOT have a CHOICE ........its not like theyre gonna elect him for 2 more years Just like he stole the elections in 2000..........he will simply STEAL 2 more years BASED ON a presidential executive order that allows him to REMAIN IN OFFICE

if you Speak out against it or try and change it you will be dealt with as a terrorist and dissapear or worse...they will use the detention camps they have manned and waiting for us .....its all out there just read between the lines

the most likely scenario now is going to be either the INVASION of tens of thousands of additional illegal aliens ,and or another terror attack they may blend the two using the US/Mexico border and situation as a catlyst

the US has a long and storied history of creating its own history . you should be aware of that.there is NO way that an impeachment would have any bearing on the type of scenario i am laying out for you

Bush is a dictator he has said so himself he is well aware of his time frame .Mark my words somethings afoot and there looms a LARGE possibility that there will be NO elections in 2008

[Abraxis Axis]

All I know is Katrina showed us how it will go ......I hope some of you Americans were paying attention ...I am prepared 4 months of food and water ....and all the stuff one may need to hold out ....in the woods if necessary can you say "Cache" food wooter ammunition and supplies


if you need a medicine to get by daily stockpile 4 months worth if by the elections its all wrong Im an ass and you dont have to buy meds or food for a while


Im ready ........are you?

[USMC the Almighty]

Im ready ........are you?

Roker, do you honestly believe all this stuff or are you just trying to have some fun with is?

[vyo476]

Roker, do you honestly believe all this stuff or are you just trying to have some fun with is?

I've never been able to tell with him. On anything.

[Abraxis Axis]

Im ready................Are you?

[vyo476]

Im ready................Are you?

Are you ever going to learn to stop posting while baked?

[Abraxis Axis]

Concise


Cutting



Irrelevant

[Abraxis Axis]

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
May 9, 2007
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

[Rokerijdude11]

interesting find there buddy

seems maybe your right? maybe there will be NO election?

[Rokerijdude11]

It seems that the directive that was just written in may of this year is CERTAINLY what I have talked about for some time as well as you eluding to it here in this post

it specifically addresses a National emergency and the ability for the current sitting president to remain IN POWER throughout the entire emergency

it also seems to specifically address terror attacks as well as biological and attacks from foriegn invaders it seems to have all of the bases covered so to speak

I am not surprised this was done without scrutiny from the networks...theyre too busy revealing top secret sabotage plans to the enemy....this directive is frightening


why write it and enact it unless you planned on USING it

read carefully boys and girls read carefully

[Rokerijdude11]

I have read the directive twice all the way through now

It is CHILLING read it and let it sink in and then read it gain a day later and really let it sink in then compare it to scenarios that have alreday played out before us in the past look at how it is worded and you can clearly see the intentions and plans

to support the notion in the above scenarios.....read this

really read the directive .....and let it sink in





http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

[USMC the Almighty]

interesting find there buddy

seems maybe your right? maybe there will be NO election?

Nothing like holding a conversation with yourself, eh, Roker?

[Rokerijdude11]

you all sure are pre-occupied with my recent banning....seems some of you arent so bright either?
you know the funniest part of your obsessions with all things Roker?


there was NEVER a SHRED of denial?

care to address whats on the table?

or are we going to continue elevating Rokers status to Godlike?

[ArmChair General]

Nothing like holding a conversation with yourself, eh, Roker?
Abraxis is a freind of mine, Abraxis is not Roker. I can vouch for him.

[Abraxis Axis]

My name is Phil

I own a message board called Tough Politics dot Com ...Im an ass and will sue spammers in an instant!!! Armchair is my down the street neighbor... a crazed veteran that can and will kill you with his bare hands. and can empty a six pack of coronas in about 194 seconds....give or take on the time of day...he hates afghanis with a passion and probably most of you too truth be told....as i say hes crazed

but a great drinking buddy

you all dont seem to like me .....and i really dont seem to care.......... i just enjoy posting and making the forum interesting for all who come.........As you know a large part of a successful board is personalities. people of, and from all walks of life............

as the world turns

[ArmChair General]

My name is Phil

I own a message board called perspectives ...Im an ass and will sue spammers in an instant!!! Armchair is my down the street neighbor... a crazed veteran that can and will kill you with his bare hands. and can empty a six pack of coronas in about 194 seconds....give or take on the time of day...he hates afghanis with a passion and probably most of you too truth be told....as i say hes crazed

but a great drinking buddy

you all dont seem to like me .....and i really dont seem to care.......... i just enjoy posting and making the forum interesting for all who come.........As you know a large part of a successful board is personalities. people of, and from all walks of life............

as the world turns

damn right, my thumbs are registered weapons. don't mess with the General.

:D

[Abraxis Axis]

what are you all afraid of the TRUTH?
I abraxis have just handed you official Governement Documentation that DETAILS the scenarios I posted it was issued MAY 9th of THIS YEAR

you all are pretty smug this should be waking some of you up instead you worry about whether or not another user is really me.........................

some forward thinking monkeys here huh?

[Rokerijdude11]

they dont discuss real issues here dude? they just like to rant about nonsense all real issues are left to die

[Rokerijdude11]

#14 Homeland Security Contracts KBR to Build Detention Centers in the US

Sources:
New America Media, January 31, 2006
Title: “Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps”
Author: Peter Dale Scott

New America Media, February 21, 2006
Title: “10-Year US Strategic Plan for Detention Camps Revives Proposals from Oliver North”
Author: Peter Dale Scott

Consortiium, February 21, 2006
Title: “Bush's Mysterious ‘New Programs’”
Author: Nat Parry

Buzzflash
Title: “Detention Camp Jitters”
Author: Maureen Farrell

Community Evaluator: Dr. Gary Evans
Student Researchers: Sean Hurley and Caitlyn Peele

Halliburton’s subsidiary KBR (formerly Kellogg, Brown and Root) announced on January 24, 2006 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps in the United States.

According to a press release posted on the Halliburton website, “The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.”

What little coverage the announcement received focused on concerns about Halliburton’s reputation for overcharging U.S. taxpayers for substandard services.

Less attention was focused on the phrase “rapid development of new programs” or what type of programs might require a major expansion of detention centers, capable of holding 5,000 people each. Jamie Zuieback, spokeswoman for ICE, declined to elaborate on what these “new programs” might be.

Only a few independent journalists, such as Peter Dale Scott, Maureen Farrell, and Nat Parry have explored what the Bush administration might actually have in mind.

Scott speculates that the “detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.” He recalled that during the Reagan administration, National Security Council aide Oliver North organized the Rex-84 “readiness exercise,” which contemplated the Federal Emergency Management Agency rounding up and detaining 400,000 “refugees” in the event of “uncontrolled population movements” over the Mexican border into the U.S.

North’s exercise, which reportedly contemplated possible suspension of the Constitution, led to a line of questioning during the Iran-Contra Hearings concerning the idea that plans for expanded internment and detention facilities would not be confined to “refugees” alone.

It is relevant, says Scott, that in 2002 Attorney General John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be “enemy combatants.” On February 17, 2006, in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country’s security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called “news informers” who needed to be combated in “a contest of wills.”

Since September 11 the Bush administration has implemented a number of interrelated programs that were planned in the 1980s under President Reagan. Continuity of Government (COG) proposals—a classified plan for keeping a secret “government-within-the-government” running during and after a nuclear disaster—included vastly expanded detention capabilities, warrantless eavesdropping, and preparations for greater use of martial law.

Scott points out that, while Oliver North represented a minority element in the Reagan administration, which soon distanced itself from both the man and his proposals, the minority associated with COG planning, which included Cheney and Rumsfeld, appear to be in control of the U.S. government today.

Farrell speculates that, because another terror attack is all but certain, it seems far more likely that the detention centers would be used for post-September 11-type detentions of rounded-up immigrants rather than for a sudden deluge of immigrants flooding across the border.

Vietnam-era whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg ventures, “Almost certainly this is preparation for a roundup after the next September 11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters. They’ve already done this on a smaller scale, with the ‘special registration’ detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantánamo.”

Parry notes that The Washington Post reported on February 15, 2006 that the National Counterterrorism Center’s (NCTC) central repository holds the names of 325,000 terrorist suspects, a fourfold increase since fall of 2003.
Asked whether the names in the repository were collected through the NSA’s domestic surveillance program, an NCTC official told the Post, “Our database includes names of known and suspected international terrorists provided by all intelligence community organizations, including NSA.”

As the administration scoops up more and more names, members of Congress have questioned the elasticity of Bush’s definitions for words like terrorist “affiliates,” used to justify wiretapping Americans allegedly in contact with such people or entities.

A Defense Department document, entitled the “Strategy for Homeland Defense and Civil Support,” has set out a military strategy against terrorism that envisions an “active, layered defense” both inside and outside U.S. territory. In the document, the Pentagon pledges to “transform U.S. military forces to execute homeland defense missions in the . . . U.S. homeland.” The strategy calls for increased military reconnaissance and surveillance to “defeat potential challengers before they threaten the United States.” The plan “maximizes threat awareness and seizes the initiative from those who would harm us.”

But there are concerns, warns Parry, over how the Pentagon judges “threats” and who falls under the category of “those who would harm us.” A Pentagon official said the Counterintelligence Field Activity’s TALON program has amassed files on antiwar protesters.

In the view of some civil libertarians, a form of martial law already exists in the U.S. and has been in place since shortly after the September 11 attacks when Bush issued Military Order Number One, which empowered him to detain any noncitizen as an international terrorist or enemy combatant. Today that order extends to U.S. citizens as well.

Farrell ends her article with the conclusion that while much speculation has been generated by KBR’s contract to build huge detention centers within the U.S., “The truth is, we won’t know the real purpose of these centers unless ‘contingency plans are needed.’ And by then, it will be too late.”


continued...............

[Rokerijdude11]

UPDATE BY PETER DALE SCOTT
The contract of the Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build immigrant detention facilities is part of a longer-term Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of “all removable aliens” and “potential terrorists.” In the 1980s Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld discussed similar emergency detention powers as part of a super-secret program of planning for what was euphemistically called “Continuity of Government” (COG) in the event of a nuclear disaster. At the time, Cheney was a Wyoming congressman, while Rumsfeld, who had been defense secretary under President Ford, was a businessman and CEO of the drug company G.D. Searle.

These men planned for suspension of the Constitution, not just after nuclear attack, but for any “national security emergency,” which they defined in Executive Order 12656 of 1988 as: “Any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological or other emergency, that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States.” Clearly September 11 would meet this definition, and did, for COG was instituted on that day. As the Washington Post later explained, the order “dispatched a shadow government of about 100 senior civilian managers to live and work secretly outside Washington, activating for the first time long-standing plans.”

What these managers in this shadow government worked on has never been reported. But it is significant that the group that prepared ENDGAME was, as the Homeland Security document puts it, “chartered in September 2001.” For ENDGAME’s goal of a capacious detention capability is remarkably similar to Oliver North’s controversial Rex-84 “readiness exercise” for COG in 1984. This called for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to round up and detain 400,000 imaginary “refugees,” in the context of “uncontrolled population movements” over the Mexican border into the United States.

UPDATE BY MAUREEN FARRELL
When the story about Kellogg, Brown and Root’s contract for emergency detention centers broke, immigration was not the hot button issue it is today. Given this, the language in Halliburton’s press release, stating that the centers would be built in the event of an “emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S.,” raised eyebrows, especially among those familiar with Rex-84 and other Reagan-era initiatives. FEMA’s former plans ‘for the detention of at least 21 million American Negroes in assembly centers or relocation camps’ added to the distrust, and the second stated reason for the KBR contract, “to support the rapid development of new programs,” sent imaginations reeling.

While few in the mainstream media made the connection between KBR’s contract and previous programs, Fox News eventually addressed this issue, pooh-poohing concerns as the province of “conspiracy theories” and “unfounded” fears. My article attempted to sift through the speculation, focusing on verifiable information found in declassified and leaked documents which proved that, in addition to drawing up contingency plans for martial law, the government has conducted military readiness exercises designed to round up and detain both illegal aliens and U.S. citizens.
How concerned should Americans be? Recent reports are conflicting and confusing:

* In May, 2006, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) began “Operation Return to Sender,” which involved catching illegal immigrants and deporting them. In June, however, President Bush vowed that there would soon be “new infrastructures” including detention centers designed to put an end to such “catch and release” practices.
* Though Bush said he was “working with Congress to increase the number of detention facilities along our borders,” Rep. Bennie Thompson, ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee, said he first learned about the KBR contract through newspaper reports.
* Fox News recently quoted Pepperdine University professor Doug Kmiec, who deemed detention camp concerns “more paranoia than reality” and added that KBR’s contract is most likely “something related to (Hurricane) Katrina” or “a bird flu outbreak that could spur a mass quarantine of Americans.” The president’s stated desire for the U.S. military to take a more active role during natural disasters and to enforce quarantines in the event of a bird flu outbreak, however, have been roundly denounced.

Concern over an all-powerful federal government is not paranoia, but active citizenship. As Thomas Jefferson explained, “even under the best forms of government, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” From John Adams’s Alien and Sedition Acts to FDR’s internment of Japanese Americans, the land of the free has held many contradictions and ironies. Interestingly enough, Halliburton was at the center of another historical controversy, when Lyndon Johnson’s ties to a little-known company named Kellogg, Brown and Root caused a congressional commotion—particularly after the Halliburton subsidiary won enough wartime contracts to become one of the first protested symbols of the military-industrial complex. Back then they were known as the “Vietnam builders.” The question, of course, is what they’ll be known as next.

Additional links:
“ Reagan Aides and the Secret Government,” Miami Herald, July 5, 1987, http://fpiarticle.blogspot.com/2005/12/front-page-miami-herald-july-5-1987.html

“Foundations are in place for martial law in the US,” July 27, 2002, Sydney Morning Herald, smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/ 1027497418339.html

“Halliburton Deals Recall Vietnam-Era Controversy: Cheney’s Ties to Company Reminiscent of LBJ’s Relationships,” NPR, Dec. 24, 2003, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483

“Critics Fear Emergency Centers Could Be Used for Immigration Round-Ups,” Fox News, June 7, 2006, http://www.foxnews.com/ story/0,2933,198456,00.html

“U.S. officials nab 2,100 illegal immigrants in 3 weeks,” USA Today, June 14, 2006, http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-14-immigration-arrests_x.htm

[mysteryman]

The REALITY...................is

that NOBODY will run for President in 2008 as there Isnt going to be an Election. the country will be plunged into martial law prior to that on any one of three scenarios .

thus allowing Bush to REMAIN in office UNTIL the National Emergency that required martial law to be enacted has been addressed. it is at that time somewhere around 2010 that the NAU will become a reality and then there will be elections after that has all been put into place


like sheep to the slaughter Americans as usual will be BEGGING to have MORE of theyre rights removed before realizing the coup after which it will of course be too late

Wanna bet $500 that you are wrong?
I will bet $500 right now that there WILL be an election for President in 2008,and that the next President will be sworn in Jan '09!!

Are you so confident of your "facts" as to put your money on them?

[mysteryman]

My name is Phil

I own a message board called Tough Politics dot Com ...Im an ass and will sue spammers in an instant!!! Armchair is my down the street neighbor... a crazed veteran that can and will kill you with his bare hands. and can empty a six pack of coronas in about 194 seconds....give or take on the time of day...he hates afghanis with a passion and probably most of you too truth be told....as i say hes crazed

but a great drinking buddy

you all dont seem to like me .....and i really dont seem to care.......... i just enjoy posting and making the forum interesting for all who come.........As you know a large part of a successful board is personalities. people of, and from all walks of life............

as the world turns

PM me with a link to your message board.
Its not listed in a google search,nor does it turn up when I type it in the address.

[Abraxis Axis]

Wanna bet $500 that you are wrong?
I will bet $500 right now that there WILL be an election for President in 2008,and that the next President will be sworn in Jan '09!!

Are you so confident of your "facts" as to put your money on them?

first of all smokey i never said any of them were facts this is my opinion. secondy how stupid are you to even mention a 500 dollar online bet ? Im glad your of the opinion all is fine and well we will see soon enough wont we smokey? so is the hot one single or what?

[Abraxis Axis]

PM me with a link to your message board.
Its not listed in a google search,nor does it turn up when I type it in the address.

its there.....whats your malfunction smokey? follow the link from there

here is what the chimp has planned for you all..no elections .continuity of government

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

[Abraxis Axis]

PM me with a link to your message board.
Its not listed in a google search,nor does it turn up when I type it in the address.

Remove the spam from the signature Mods

[Abraxis Axis]

why is this guy allowed to spam in his signature?

double standards?

this is bullshat

[vyo476]

they dont discuss real issues here dude? they just like to rant about nonsense all real issues are left to die

This kind of begs the question, "Why do you stick around then?"

[9sublime]

why is this guy allowed to spam in his signature?

double standards?

this is bullshat

Sorry Abraxis, I'm on it.

[Abraxis Axis]

This kind of begs the question, "Why do you stick around then?"

because he dosent like YOU and he like to piss in your cheerios

[Abraxis Axis]

Sorry Abraxis, I'm on it.

Thank you very much

this is all i ask is even moderation enforcement of the rules across the board

I will now let the issue rest until 9 and admin contact me

[Rokerijdude11]

quit whining and stay on topic will you?
im tired of your constant crap and everyone thinking your me go away why dont you?

[Rokerijdude11]

This kind of begs the question, "Why do you stick around then?"

because its something to do? i visit about a dozen of these places a day as well as about 6 Mj related message forums

[Abraxis Axis]

nobody cares dude