Contrails or Chemtrails ?

[Friendindeed]

Kind of interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QanWpJOV1FU&mode=related&search

[Friendindeed]

Five views.

I guess that's okay. It's only about your skies and your lungs and your kids future.

[Friendindeed]

On the off chance that anyone here cares about metal particles entering their and their kids' lungs while they run, swim, or play ball,

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies

[Eternal]

shiat!

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[Friendindeed]

shiat!

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And that is only one of the many sites where people are starting to send in photos of it.
It is not always in a grid, sometimes they change the whole sky from blue to grey but no moisture.

[Rokerijdude11]

AHHHHHHHexcellent this is my favorite subject!!!

youll see alot of me here

ill be back

[Koios]

Great, we will wait and see what you have to say about this.

[Rokerijdude11]

First ill start off with some opening thoughts ,
Contrails and Chemtrails are one in the same thing.Contrails are simply used to deliver a aeresolized medium, into the atmosphere, for diffrent projects and militray uses. When the De-bunkers step in, generally they rattle most of you at the start with this inescapable FACT.


Chemtrails are simply Contrails.....WITH aeresolized metallic particles, barium ,and aluminum chaffe. they are introduced via contrails, by jets set aside for this purpose. I do not believe commercial jets are involved.


Nor do i believe that they are deliberatly trying to poision us, or anything like that either. These are concurrent military projects, and weapons being used, and tested both Chemtrails are one of the most Guarded of all conspiracies, and there seems to be no shortage of professional de-bunkers. This is an easy one to confuse the majority on as it literally takes YEARS to research it to the point of getting past the VAST amounts of Dis_information thats are generously heaped into the mix.



ill start with an overview post of 4 technologies that are currently being used and we can move on from there thanks for the welcome btw

[Rokerijdude11]

We will talk about four active projects ongoing in the atmosphere.

The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the earth including the ultra violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the earth. This, it is hoped, will lower temperature on the surface of the earth and block ultra
violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties.

The second and most secretive project is the United States Navy's, RFMP, Radio Frequency Mission Planner, military program. The RFMP is the system name given to a group of computer programs and one of the supporting,
subprograms within the RFMP system is called the VTRPE computer program. VTRPE is an acronym that stands for Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation, It is a computer Radio Frequency propagation program that deals
with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the battlefield terrain in 3 dimensions (3-D) on a television screen. The RFMP system also
depends on satellites to feed their images of the battlefield into the RFMP system to be combined with the battlefield picture painted from the ground thus producing 3-D images.

By providing an extremely interactive and visual (television type radar screens) environment, the Radio Frequency Mission Planner, RFMP system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the "Radio Frequency" environment before a battlefield war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what-if" virtual warfare scenarios on his computer screen. Since all major modes of Radio Frequency propagation are modeled in his computer, (RFMP system), special, sometimes counter- intuitive, cases can be examined
in detail and exploited during a warfare battle mission.

The VTRPE computer program only worked accurately over water and along coastal areas but not over land masses because the system's radar waves required an atmospheric condition known as "ducting", over land, to operate
accurately.

The government and military solved the "ducting" problem by releasing an aerosol, a mixture of barium salts into the atmosphere over America. They made an atmospheric RF duct with a base of barium aerosol from aircraft. The
chemical and electrical characterics of the mixture will cause water moisture to stay in clouds. Again, the aerosol sets up an electrical and chemical environment that supports RF ducting for the RFMP / VTRPE warfare
system. Fibers with barium may support ducting. The mixture of barium salt aerosol when sprayed in a straight line will also provide a ducting path from point A to point B and will enable high frequency communications along
that path, even over the curvature of the earth, in both directions. Enemy high frequency communications can be monitored easier with the straight line A to B ducting medium.

The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere. Weather control is a project of the U.S. Air Force and utilizes Nikola Tesla concepts of radio frequency radiation (HAARP) against the ionosphere above the earth. Fragile life support systems in our environment
are being manipulated, tested and altered by government for military advantage. Air Force documents implied, "the risks are high but the rewards are worth it." The mixture of barium salts, supporting moisture, is encouraged along the weather fronts and manipulated in a control fashion. It
is believed microwave energy is also utilized in the weather control program. Weather data is also a required input to the VTRPE program of the RFMP system. Perfected weather control technology will enable a military to withhold rain, cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country to its knees without firing a shot.

The fourth project in the atmosphere is the DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, biological detection and decontamination programs. The program also utilizes the mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in
aerosol along with special polymer fibers in the atmosphere. They have released biological into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems.

It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals, in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that are either directly or indirectly responsible, for the recent nationwide epidemic increase in cases of nose
bleed, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory symptoms and a noticeable increase in arthritis symptoms, recently reported nationwide. Chemicals illegally sprayed into the atmosphere are producing atmospheric
and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable to the growth of harmful molds and fungus. These conditions are not conducive to good health. The soluble salts of barium, an earth metal, are
toxic in mammalian systems. They are absorbed rapidly from the gastrointestinal tract and are deposited in the muscles, lungs, and bone. No case data is available from the medical community on the long term effects of barium in the human body.

The programs are secret because the Federal EPA and State Environmental Quality Agencies need to "not know" about what the by-products of the metabolites of biological, illegal and harmful agents are. It's for that reason the project has been declared secret from the citizens.

[USMC the Almighty]

Come on, you can't say this doesn't look cool:

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies;jsessionid=hs0ikp3tn3.tige r_s?p=5&n=1&m=-1&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3

[Rokerijdude11]

Come on, you can't say this doesn't look cool:

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies;jsessionid=hs0ikp3tn3.tige r_s?p=5&n=1&m=-1&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3

Just one of many of the proliferated Mis-Information tactics used to keep you all in the dark see how easily it was tossed in the fray to elicit a response its truly textbook

great photograph of trails incidentally...gives many an idea of what they are looking for just look in the skies people pay attention for one afternoon or morning youll see what we are discussing

[Friendindeed]

It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals, in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that are either directly or indirectly responsible, for the recent nationwide epidemic increase in cases of nose
bleed, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory symptoms and a noticeable increase in arthritis symptoms, recently reported nationwide. Chemicals illegally sprayed into the atmosphere are producing atmospheric
and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable to the growth of harmful molds and fungus. These conditions are not conducive to good health. The soluble salts of barium, an earth metal, are
toxic in mammalian systems. They are absorbed rapidly from the gastrointestinal tract and are deposited in the muscles, lungs, and bone. No case data is available from the medical community on the long term effects of barium in the human body.

The programs are secret because the Federal EPA and State Environmental Quality Agencies need to "not know" about what the by-products of the metabolites of biological, illegal and harmful agents are. It's for that reason the project has been declared secret from the citizens.

Doh
Have to log off just as I started reading this, looks like great information, I'll be back

[USMC the Almighty]

Just one of many of the proliferated Mis-Information tactics used to keep you all in the dark see how easily it was tossed in the fray to elicit a response its truly textbook

great photograph of trails incidentally...gives many an idea of what they are looking for just look in the skies people pay attention for one afternoon or morning youll see what we are discussing

Could you please use some periods? It makes it very difficult to follow your chain of thought when everything is just one big ramble without any semblance of punctuation, grammar, or syntax.

[vyo476]

Could you please use some periods? It makes it very difficult to follow your chain of thought when everything is just one big ramble without any semblance of punctuation, grammar, or syntax.

To Rokerijdude: Apparently I'm not the only one having a hard time telling what you're saying. If you choose to view this as an insult then so be it; that is not the meaning behind our statements. We really just want to be able to understand you better.

[Rokerijdude11]

Could you please use some periods? It makes it very difficult to follow your chain of thought when everything is just one big ramble without any semblance of punctuation, grammar, or syntax.

sorry dude grammars, not my bag.... youll just have to either deal with it, or stay away from it. I do my best

[USMC the Almighty]

sorry dude grammars, not my bag.... youll just have to either deal with it, or stay away from it. I do my best

That's an improvement. At the very least, we ask that you put a period at the end of each sentence to signal the end of one thought.

[Rokerijdude11]

gee like school all over again.isnt that Swell! a great place to debate politics ? all anyone can seem to do is sqwauk about Grammatical errors.Interesting care to discuss the issue at all? or are you here simply to chastise me on the lack of grammatical correctness?

[Rokerijdude11]

somebody flushed the toilet????what happened to all the forums?/??/?

[Rokerijdude11]

Five views.

I guess that's okay. It's only about your skies and your lungs and your kids future.

dont you worry the more we talk about this you will be surprised at how many hits it gets generally when i arrive at a forum like this i go right to the chemtrails thread and start posting ive become sorta infamous with my chemtrails fervor and such

every time i start the view count starts to sky rocket look at the thread now for instance...........up to 100 views now and once the feds see ive moved to another message board the count will sky rocket and the de-bunkers will arrive like a flock of geese

mark my words watch the thread as we progress it will be interesting

[Rokerijdude11]

where is the resident house expert on everything? why hasnt he weighed in as of yet what do you all think of Chemtrails?
cmon youve got to have some opinion

[Rokerijdude11]

Well that means no Government De-Bunkers are here....Excellent I shall continue with this this afternoon then

[USMC the Almighty]

dont you worry the more we talk about this you will be surprised at how many hits it gets generally when i arrive at a forum like this i go right to the chemtrails thread and start posting ive become sorta infamous with my chemtrails fervor and such

every time i start the view count starts to sky rocket look at the thread now for instance...........up to 100 views now and once the feds see ive moved to another message board the count will sky rocket and the de-bunkers will arrive like a flock of geese



The feds are watching you? Hahahaha.

WELL THAT MEANS NO gOVERNMENT DE-BUNKERS ARE HERE YET EXCELLENT I SHALL CONTINUE WITH THIS THIS AFTERNOON THEN

Did you break your caps lock key?

[Rokerijdude11]

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[Rokerijdude11]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j48/Rokerijdude11/20030804-straaljagerstralen.jpg

[USMC the Almighty]

I think its time for the MODs to take out the broom.

[Rokerijdude11]

WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE I POSTED SOMETHING YOU DISAGREE WITH? OR SOMETHING THATS NOT TO YOUR LIKING?

sometimes people hit the caps lock and forget theyve done so

Im sorry to have disturbed you with that practice, i wont let it happen again, unless im yelling of course!! have a nice day

[USMC the Almighty]

No, because you made a post that consisted of a string of the same letter with varying capitalization. That kind of trash has no place on this board.

[Rokerijdude11]

where?
that was a test and it has been rectified

have a nice day


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j48/Rokerijdude11/chemtrails.jpg

[USMC the Almighty]

Well, you edited it out and replaced it with a picture of beautiful chemtrails.

[Rokerijdude11]

yes i said that i edited it





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[The Founders Intent]

So if the gubermint is running tests in the atmosphere, why don't they do it over another country? Why would a government want to sicken its own population where it gets its brains and brawn from?

[Sgt Schultz]

So if the gubermint is running tests in the atmosphere, why don't they do it over another country? Why would a government want to sicken its own population where it gets its brains and brawn from?

Ever seen the movie Serenity?

[Rokerijdude11]

So if the gubermint is running tests in the atmosphere, why don't they do it over another country? Why would a government want to sicken its own population where it gets its brains and brawn from?

Actually one of the photos i posted is from a friend of mines Brother in Belgium....this is occurribg Globally not just in the United States.....there may be several reasons for this .it is a seriously complicated issue.That need very close examination to get anywhere


there is so so much dis-information ofn this subject its nearly impossible to get through it all the only reason i feel i have a head up is because i have been investigating this since 2000

I have seen all the info as it has popped up and watched what has been done to completly Bury the idea that anything is being done at allI cant explain it all in one post or even 100 posts as i say its very complicated and one needs to get into the depths themselves to find the truth

of course the first part is getting past the Denial stage which is very very difficult for many my best suggestion is watch the skies near where you live for one month every day whenever you get the cance look up and look around and watch


youll see within 2 weeks exactly what many of us are referring to as "Chemtrails" actually they are Contrails
but they have other particles in them besides vapor particle mainly Barium and aluminum oxide and aluminum chaffe

[r0beph]

Actually one of the photos i posted is from a friend of mines Brother in Belgium....this is occurribg Globally not just in the United States.....there may be several reasons for this .it is a seriously complicated issue.That need very close examination to get anywhere


there is so so much dis-information ofn this subject its nearly impossible to get through it all the only reason i feel i have a head up is because i have been investigating this since 2000

I have seen all the info as it has popped up and watched what has been done to completly Bury the idea that anything is being done at allI cant explain it all in one post or even 100 posts as i say its very complicated and one needs to get into the depths themselves to find the truth

of course the first part is getting past the Denial stage which is very very difficult for many my best suggestion is watch the skies near where you live for one month every day whenever you get the cance look up and look around and watch


youll see within 2 weeks exactly what many of us are referring to as "Chemtrails" actually they are Contrails
but they have other particles in them besides vapor particle mainly Barium and aluminum oxide and aluminum chaffe

I've lived near an airport my whole life, and my whole life I remember seeing these "chemtrails" (contrails) that people continue to report in the same frequency now as 20 years ago (I'm 27) (with a rough adjustment given for the increase in travel) I remember laying in my yard and watching the planes fly over leaving their contrails and watching them spread through the sky like thin wispy clouds.

What I assume is that the internet's function of rapid information pooling has allowed people to submit so many photos that it truly appears that it's epidemic. You go from a couple xeroxed conspiracy theory newsletters that have a very limited viewing range to this huge database of everything imaginable. You find a page with 100 submitted photos of said occurrence, and then you say, woah I've seen these! And thus you begin to move into that viral way of thinking. The problem with this as well as all conspiracy theories is the problem of proving that something does not exist. You can't PROVE that none of the contrails are not really chemtrails, so the idea will continue.

Personally I have to say while I don't believe there is some shadowy happenings out the ass ends of these planes, I also can't prove there isn't. Thus i must remain objective and say, maybe, though chances are that it's not.

I will say for the record that I've seen planes come and land at the airport after leaving a nice fat 'chemtrail' Those guys at delta must be gov't agents.

All you are showing are photos of contrails, I want to see photos of the "unmarked" airplanes, and no please NOT those blurry pics of planes being photographed from 20km away. I mean I'm not trying to debunk, I just want better proof than the same ol' chatter I keep seeing on this bland subject.

[Rokerijdude11]

I've lived near an airport my whole life, and my whole life I remember seeing these "chemtrails" (contrails) that people continue to report in the same frequency now as 20 years ago (I'm 27) (with a rough adjustment given for the increase in travel) I remember laying in my yard and watching the planes fly over leaving their contrails and watching them spread through the sky like thin wispy clouds.

What I assume is that the internet's function of rapid information pooling has allowed people to submit so many photos that it truly appears that it's epidemic. You go from a couple xeroxed conspiracy theory newsletters that have a very limited viewing range to this huge database of everything imaginable. You find a page with 100 submitted photos of said occurrence, and then you say, woah I've seen these! And thus you begin to move into that viral way of thinking. The problem with this as well as all conspiracy theories is the problem of proving that something does not exist. You can't PROVE that none of the contrails are not really chemtrails, so the idea will continue.

Personally I have to say while I don't believe there is some shadowy happenings out the ass ends of these planes, I also can't prove there isn't. Thus i must remain objective and say, maybe, though chances are that it's not.

I will say for the record that I've seen planes come and land at the airport after leaving a nice fat 'chemtrail' Those guys at delta must be gov't agents.

All you are showing are photos of contrails, I want to see photos of the "unmarked" airplanes, and no please NOT those blurry pics of planes being photographed from 20km away. I mean I'm not trying to debunk, I just want better proof than the same ol' chatter I keep seeing on this bland subject.

If your looking for PROOF i cant provide it for if i could this wouldnt be a conspiracy would it?
do your own home work find the photos yourself im not you personal Lycos........if you had read any of what i posted youd know that i stated they are CONTRAILS????

hmmm another post before i read kinda guy huh?
considering a majority of the aircraft laying these are at 30,000 and above the Clear defenied photos you seek are probably Not out there sorry guy?

so then you deny the existence of several Military Operations that utilize aeresols and Aluminum chaffe? interesting....perhaps you you should read My post on the first page?

have a nice day

[Rokerijdude11]

BTW "near the airport" we arent discussing Near the airport.....this is a worldwide phenomenon and it occurs everywhere I Lived within an hour of Chicago Ohare for almost 20 years Funny I dont recall what you do?

and Im twice your age? Im so sure you remember taking notice of this at the age of 7......when i was laying in the grass as a child we NEVER saw what we see now incidentally there are differences in behavior of normal contrails Vs. Chemtrails take a look around again im not Lycos

[r0beph]

http://photos.imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies/large/chemtrails_alleged_blood_cell_no_lab_tests.jpg.jpg

look a red blood cell, those chemtrails must be amazing stuff to make the "blood cell" perfectly spherical/circular, (find me a perfectly round blood cell please, then I'll write you a nice fat cheque.) As with all quackery this is chock full of cognitive bias. There's the post hoc ergo propter hoc aspect to the argument, just because [A] occurred (Contrails) and some other scant things were found (fibers, aluminum chaff, barium (not that this isn't in high content in soil as is as well in air and I've yet to see any real data on these tested atmospheres from a reliable non-anecdotal source), and whatever else) thus [B] occurred. So we come to your argument here, where [A] occurred, then [B] occurred, thus the statement that [B] is due to [A]. And rokerij, come on, this is pure argumentum ad ignorantiam. Since we can't prove otherwise, you must be right? Not how it works. Conspiracies bore me because they're never resolved, yet they keep on existing because of the perpetuation of argumentum ad ignorantiam. *sigh*

BTW "near the airport" we arent discussing Near the airport.....this is a worldwide phenomenon and it occurs everywhere I Lived within an hour of Chicago Ohare for almost 20 years Funny I dont recall what you do?

and Im twice your age? Im so sure you remember taking notice of this at the age of 7......when i was laying in the grass as a child we NEVER saw what we see now incidentally there are differences in behavior of normal contrails Vs. Chemtrails take a look around again im not Lycos

Let me address this here. The traffic density over the years has increased greatly. When one plane makes contrails it means the conditions are right for, you guessed it, contrails, so every plane at a similar ceiling will also produce contrails. If you care much, http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0450(1997)036%3C0623:COAROT%3E2.0.CO%3B2 (http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0450(1997)036%3C0623:COAROT%3E2.0.CO%3B2)
Read that, it's a lovely algorithm they use to predict contrail formation, if I remember correctly there is somewhere on the AMS site a page that show ceilings and contrail formation prediction. Typically these heavily "sprayed" days occur on those days that are well, high likelihood of contrail formation at typical cruise height for passenger/cargo planes. When you were a child the air traffic density was probably 1/50th what it is today (if you're ~47) so of course you wouldn't remember seeing that much. It's all a relation of atmospheric conditions being right at the height the plane is cruising, the contrail's viability (are the atmospheric conditions right for non-dissipating trails?), and the air traffic in the area. The reason for the banding you get is because the planes are pretty much gps controlled, they keep them in lanes as they fly so as to not risk nearing another. The cross banding occurs because of this same reason, and since the planes typically all travel from the same major metro to the next, you get parallel lines. I mean it's not really that big of a deal. Until you have evidence, I really can't be convinced.

[Rokerijdude11]

I never stated that i am right about anything................you wasted alot of typing

[r0beph]

Then why the heck are you even posting here. I think this is the debate forum, yes? You can't really have a debate if one side doesn't even believe what he's saying. *confused*

[USMC the Almighty]

I never stated that i am right about anything................you wasted alot of typing

What? Then what's the point of debating?

[USMC the Almighty]

Then why the heck are you even posting here. I think this is the debate forum, yes? You can't really have a debate if one side doesn't even believe what he's saying. *confused*

Oh, I see you got there first. It really doesn't make much sense.

[Rokerijdude11]

this was not originally in the debate section yahoos

it was dumped here during a board re-organization

i want to discuss what is or isnt happenening its not a debate

so get with the progrm right wingnuts