Barack Obama tapped Trump’s phones

Maybe this is why Nunes came forward now..
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...f-trump-under-systematic-illegal-government-s

The same day House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes gave a press conference disclosing that President Trump had been under "incidental surveillance," Attorney and FreedomWatch Chairman, Larry Klayman, sent a letter to the House Committee on Intelligence imploring them to pursue the claims and evidence presented under oath at a Washington DC FBI Field Office by his client - CIA / NSA Whistleblower Dennis Montgomery - who Klayman claims "holds the keys to disproving the false claims... ...that there is no evidence that the president and his men were wiretapped"

When Montgomery attempted to deliver this information through the appropriate channels two years ago, the former CIA and NSA contractor wasn't given the time of day:



[W]hen Montgomery came forward as a whistleblower to congressional intelligence committees and various other congressmen and senators, including Senator Charles Grassley, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who, like Comey, once had a reputation for integrity, he was “blown off;” no one wanted to even hear what he had to say.

As a result, Montgomery went to attorney and FreedomWatch founder Larry Klayman - who then approached the FBI:



Under grants of immunity, which I obtained through Assistant U.S. Attorney Deborah Curtis, Montgomery produced the hard drives and later was interviewed under oath in a secure room at the FBI Field Office in the District of Columbia. There he laid out how persons like then-businessman Donald Trump were illegally spied upon by Clapper, Brennan, and the spy agencies of the Obama administration.



Montgomery left the NSA and CIA with 47 hard drives and over 600 million pages of information, much of which is classified, and sought to come forward legally as a whistleblower to appropriate government entities, including congressional intelligence committees, to expose that the spy agencies were engaged for years in systematic illegal surveillance on prominent Americans, including the chief justice of the Supreme Court, other justices, 156 judges, prominent businessmen such as Donald Trump, and even yours truly. Working side by side with Obama's former Director of National Intelligence (DIA), James Clapper, and Obama's former Director of the CIA, John Brennan, Montgomery witnessed “up close and personal” this “Orwellian Big Brother” intrusion on privacy, likely for potential coercion, blackmail or other nefarious purposes.
 
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grumpy said:
And some of this took place after Trump was elected but had not been sworn in..

“I have seen intelligence reports that clearly show that the president-elect and his team were at least monitored and disseminated out in intelligence,’’ he said, adding that he hoped to ascertain who in the government had sought details about the Trump team and had asked for their identities to be revealed, or “unmasked,” in the intelligence reports.

Nunes also said that he hoped to have more information by Friday and had asked the FBI, the CIA and the National Security Agency to “provide a full account of these surveillance activities.”
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Amazing how much you appreciate this guy going AGAINST the law to warn Trump that he and his staff are seriously in trouble! If you think that the fact that the intelligence agency was already suspicious of Trump's campaign as far back as July, and did NOTHING about it, but revealed the FAKE investigation of Hillary DAYS before the elections. . .if you think that this is "normal" or even "ethical," you are a fool!
And. . .when you rejoice in the possibility that this intelligence surveillance of Trump's campaign MAY BE what Trump was talking about when he ACCUSED and demonised President Obama of wiretapping his phone, you are just dreaming!

Look again at the series of twitters sent by Trump and his very PRECISE and POINTED accusations. . .and compare them to what has been revealed, and you can see (if you are at the least honest with yourself at least) that Trump is fool of shit, and that he is losing his mind, because he is scared shitless of finally being shown for what he is: A stupid, brainless pawn to Putin, and a creator to the US!

Just ask yourself what you would have thought, and what the GOP would have said if this whole scenario would have happened in 2012 to PRESIDENT OBAMA, instead of Trump. . .and then see how your perception of the story would have changed.

Go ahead. . try it, if you dare!
 
Openmind said:
And. . .when you rejoice in the possibility that this intelligence surveillance of Trump's campaign MAY BE what Trump was talking about when he ACCUSED and demonised President Obama of wiretapping his phone, you are just dreaming!
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Read my other post.. I never said it gt's him off the hook..
 
grumpy said:
Read my other post.. I never said it gt's him off the hook..
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You NEVER condemn anything Trump has done in the past or is doing today. He is evil and totally untrustworthy, and it is people like you who are allowing him to continue is destructive path into America.

I do not believe you are strong enough as a man to recognise that you made a mistake. You will continue to enable his crazy agenda, blame others for his craziness, and compromising your own values in order to defend this crazy, dangerous man.
 
Openmind said:
You NEVER condemn anything Trump has done in the past or is doing today. He is evil and totally untrustworthy, and it is people like you who are allowing him to continue is destructive path into America.

I do not believe you are strong enough as a man to recognise that you made a mistake. You will continue to enable his crazy agenda, blame others for his craziness, and compromising your own values in order to defend this crazy, dangerous man.
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You must have missed this one.. and this one Donald Trump heads to Capitol Hill today to push the passage of a health care bill he doesn’t understand: or this one..You need to read my post, I have never believed Obama wire taped Trump.. and this one..I haven't examined the bill proposed by the House, but from what I've read, the replacement for Obamacare will - like Obamacare - keep my insurance rates high, lead to higher premiums, and continue the madness in Washington. I'm pissed, and think it's time to demand the removal of all taxpayer funded health care for all federal employees. If they can't understand the problems they caused, forcing them to deal with the same problems might get the attention of those so willing to punish producers for a continuation of the Federal Country Club.
 
grumpy said:
You must have missed this one.. and this one Donald Trump heads to Capitol Hill today to push the passage of a health care bill he doesn’t understand: or this one..You need to read my post, I have never believed Obama wire taped Trump.. and this one..I haven't examined the bill proposed by the House, but from what I've read, the replacement for Obamacare will - like Obamacare - keep my insurance rates high, lead to higher premiums, and continue the madness in Washington. I'm pissed, and think it's time to demand the removal of all taxpayer funded health care for all federal employees. If they can't understand the problems they caused, forcing them to deal with the same problems might get the attention of those so willing to punish producers for a continuation of the Federal Country Club.
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You are still skirting around the facts that Trump is bad news for EVERYONE. . .except White supremacists and RUSSIA!

Sanders is the answer. In fact, his approval rating is soaring (61% and still climbing!) and HE is the real populist, not a puppet from Russia and big business.

Study him, his policies. He was tagged as a "Socialist" by his ennemies from he Right and from the Left. . .that should tell you something, just as the fact that neither campaign (Hillary's or Trump) found ANY dirt against him should tell you something. In fact, he is a SOCIAL DEMOCRAT, and a man with a deep social conscience and integrity.
 
Openmind said:
You are still skirting around the facts that Trump is bad news for EVERYONE. . .except White supremacists and RUSSIA!
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No I'm not, Trump isn't bad news, I truly believe Dems will regret pushing this Russia thing..Trumps pollicies will do more for blacks then Obama.
Openmind said:
Sanders is the answer. In fact, his approval rating is soaring (61% and still climbing!) and HE is the real populist, not a puppet from Russia and big business.
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In My opinion Sanders is nuts, where is the money going to come from?
Openmind said:
Study him, his policies. He was tagged as a "Socialist" by his ennemies from he Right and from the Left. . .that should tell you something, just as the fact that neither campaign (Hillary's or Trump) found ANY dirt against him should tell you something. In fact, he is a SOCIAL DEMOCRAT, and a man with a deep social conscience and integrity.
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He IS a GOOD man, with good intentions that aren't practical..
 
grumpy said:
No I'm not, Trump isn't bad news, I truly believe Dems will regret pushing this Russia thing..Trumps pollicies will do more for blacks then Obama.

In My opinion Sanders is nuts, where is the money going to come from?

He IS a GOOD man, with good intentions that aren't practical..
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Where is the money coming from? How about caring for AMERICANS in AMERICA instead of spending 53 trillions more $'s in defence? Defence from what? When was America EVER attacked on its territory? And please don't talk to me about 9/11. . .that was a terrorist attack and it originated AMONG our Saudi Arabia ally!

By the way. . .the public option, MEDICARE is a LOT CHEAPER than any private insurance, a lot more efficient! And yet, it caters to the most needy, the most EXPENSIVE section of the population, the elderly, the disabled, the end of life care!

Do you realise what would happen if YOUNG people were part of the medicare pool? The per capita price of care would go down drastically, as the younger population is usually the healthiest! It is simple. . . why do you think medicare even came to be? Simple: Private insurance (big business for profit insurance) was NOT INTERESTED in serving the elderly. . .and someone had to provide insurance or let them die. . .so medicare came to be!

Sanders is in NO WAY nuts! In fact, he is the smartest of all, and he KNOWS that what so many countries, who are NOT AS WEALTHY as the US have been able to do and to sustain for as long as 70 years is in no way a crazy dream, but a REALITY for almost all other developed nations!

What is crazy is wanting to take money away FROM AMERICANS to built more defence, when in fact, we are already spending twice as much on defence as the next great power (China) and almost 3X as much as Russia! And the bulk of that money will not go toward VETERANS, or our soldiers, but toward building another HUGE ship. . . and even more atomic bombs. . .when the rest of the world are DECREASING their arsenal! How many atomic bombs do you think we need to totally obliterate civilisation on earth? Especially when, it seems that the NEXT big weapon will not be atomic bombs. . .but CHEMICAL warfare!

So stupid!

Sanders is a good man, an ethical man, who has NEVER been interested in getting wealthy or in fame and power, but in making the life of the majority of Americans (ALL Americans, of all races, of all sexual orientation, of all social standing) better, happier and HEALTHIER.

You are, once again, taking ridiculous propaganda against Sanders and not THINKING!
 
grumpy said:
Maybe this is why Nunes came forward now..
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...f-trump-under-systematic-illegal-government-s

The same day House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes gave a press conference disclosing that President Trump had been under "incidental surveillance," Attorney and FreedomWatch Chairman, Larry Klayman, sent a letter to the House Committee on Intelligence imploring them to pursue the claims and evidence presented under oath at a Washington DC FBI Field Office by his client - CIA / NSA Whistleblower Dennis Montgomery - who Klayman claims "holds the keys to disproving the false claims... ...that there is no evidence that the president and his men were wiretapped"

When Montgomery attempted to deliver this information through the appropriate channels two years ago, the former CIA and NSA contractor wasn't given the time of day:



[W]hen Montgomery came forward as a whistleblower to congressional intelligence committees and various other congressmen and senators, including Senator Charles Grassley, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who, like Comey, once had a reputation for integrity, he was “blown off;” no one wanted to even hear what he had to say.

As a result, Montgomery went to attorney and FreedomWatch founder Larry Klayman - who then approached the FBI:



Under grants of immunity, which I obtained through Assistant U.S. Attorney Deborah Curtis, Montgomery produced the hard drives and later was interviewed under oath in a secure room at the FBI Field Office in the District of Columbia. There he laid out how persons like then-businessman Donald Trump were illegally spied upon by Clapper, Brennan, and the spy agencies of the Obama administration.



Montgomery left the NSA and CIA with 47 hard drives and over 600 million pages of information, much of which is classified, and sought to come forward legally as a whistleblower to appropriate government entities, including congressional intelligence committees, to expose that the spy agencies were engaged for years in systematic illegal surveillance on prominent Americans, including the chief justice of the Supreme Court, other justices, 156 judges, prominent businessmen such as Donald Trump, and even yours truly. Working side by side with Obama's former Director of National Intelligence (DIA), James Clapper, and Obama's former Director of the CIA, John Brennan, Montgomery witnessed “up close and personal” this “Orwellian Big Brother” intrusion on privacy, likely for potential coercion, blackmail or other nefarious purposes.
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"Freedom Watch"? What happened to Judicial Watch? And when did Klayman become an Intelligence "expert"?

So, some guy steals 47 hard disks from the NSA, another Snowden, turns the disks over to a right wing outfit that had a working relationship with the Republican Jewish Coalition, and the American Enterprise Institute, helped the Bush administration sell its lies, and phony Iraq policy, was funded by Sheldon Adelson, and closed its doors in 2008, presumably.

And then we have the Intelligence Committee Chairman Nunes:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nunes-backs-down-assertion-trump-was-monitored-n738151
 
grumpy said:
No I'm not, Trump isn't bad news, I truly believe Dems will regret pushing this Russia thing..Trumps pollicies will do more for blacks then Obama.
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Yes. A man who lied to his wives, to his attorneys, to his contractors, to the draft board, discriminated against Blacks, and the list goes on is "not a bad man". Well, in your "ipinion" anyway.

In My opinion Sanders is nuts, where is the money going to come from?
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Well, part of it could come from the wealthy who sure as hell have profited from the tax cuts that the Republicans have given them. More would come from the benefits of having all Americans insured rather then just the ones that can afford it. Even more could come from the benefit of having the Republicans work with the Democrats like they used to do before Reagan.

Then too, where is the money going to come from that Trump is promising will appear?

http://www.ips-dc.org/to-pay-for-hi...ill-have-to-cut-services-his-base-depends-on/

He IS a GOOD man, with good intentions that aren't practical..
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Any plan that ignores the greed of the right, and their selfishness. In fact, a truly Christian nation, with moral leaders, could do it.
 
Old_Trapper70 said:
Yes. A man who lied to his wives, to his attorneys, to his contractors, to the draft board, discriminated against Blacks, and the list goes on is "not a bad man". Well, in your "ipinion" anyway.
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No he's not a bad man just a sinner like you and me.. And I believe he will do more for the back community.. In my opinion anyway.
Old_Trapper70 said:
Well, part of it could come from the wealthy who sure as hell have profited from the tax cuts that the Republicans have given them. More would come from the benefits of having all Americans insured rather then just the ones that can afford it. Even more could come from the benefit of having the Republicans work with the Democrats like they used to do before Reagan.

Then too, where is the money going to come from that Trump is promising will appear?
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You do know that if the 1% paid a tax of 100% of what they make, it wouldn't begin to pay down our debt. So now what? they already pay the largest percentage of all taxes paid in America. I guess we could go farther and just take their wealth, make them sell some of what they own sense they are the scum of the earth.. I like Paul Ryan's plan..Instead of job-killing tax increases why don’t we just stop subsidizing wealthy people? Let’s go after the crony capitalism, the corporate welfare in the tax code, in spending. And why don’t we income adjust our spending programs so we don’t subsidize wealthy people as much? I think that’s a better idea to get more savings in the budget, and get our debt down without doing economic damage."

Old_Trapper70 said:
Any plan that ignores the greed of the right, and their selfishness. .
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Do your really believe the right are the greedy ones? Well I really don't.. You said..In fact, a truly Christian nation, with moral leaders, could do it.. I agree , I know what your going to say.. THEN Why did I vote for Trump.. Asked and answered.
 
grumpy said:
No he's not a bad man just a sinner like you and me.. And I believe he will do more for the back community.. In my opinion anyway.
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So far your "opinion", besides violating the Word of God, has proven to be nothing but wishful thinking. And "sinners" like me have nothiung in common with "satanists" like Trump. We repent of our sins, and pay retribution when we can.

You do know that if the 1% paid a tax of 100% of what they make, it wouldn't begin to pay down our debt.
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Never said it would. However, it could prevent the taking away help from the poor, the disabled, the mentally ill, the sick, the elderly, etc. And who in their right mind said it had to be 100%? Just another mindless excuse from the mindless right wing.

So now what? they already pay the largest percentage of all taxes paid in America.
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And they take 85% of the wealth generated while the bottom 90% of the people survive on what is left, the scraps left over from the wealth they create. Try reading Adam Smith.

I guess we could go farther and just take their wealth, make them sell some of what they own sense they are the scum of the earth..
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More right wing *********.

I like Paul Ryan's plan..Instead of job-killing tax increases why don’t we just stop subsidizing wealthy people? Let’s go after the crony capitalism, the corporate welfare in the tax code, in spending. And why don’t we income adjust our spending programs so we don’t subsidize wealthy people as much? I think that’s a better idea to get more savings in the budget, and get our debt down without doing economic damage."
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Even Paul Ryan knows that will never happen as long as the plutocracy controls the government. He is just BS'ing the fools that will listen to him. Kind of like supporting term limits. So, he still supports tax cuts, and sunsidies, for the wealthy:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...defend_trumpcare_s_tax_cuts_for_the_rich.html

Do your really believe the right are the greedy ones? Well I really don't.. You said..In fact, a truly Christian nation, with moral leaders, could do it.. I agree , I know what your going to say.. THEN Why did I vote for Trump.. Asked and answered.
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Yeah, you think Trump is a "good man", and not a "bad man" in spite of his lies, and screwing the American taxpayer.

Now, just which side of the aisle is constantly giving more to the wealthy, and taking more from the poor?
 
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Old_Trapper70 said:
So far your "opinion", besides violating the Word of God, has proven to be nothing but wishful thinking. And "sinners" like me have nothiung in common with "satanists" like Trump. We repent of our sins, and pay retribution when we can.
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We all have one thing in common, we are all sinners we fall short and we all are in need of gods grace....never said we had anything else in common
Old_Trapper70 said:
And they take 85% of the wealth generated while the bottom 90% of the people survive on what is left, the scraps left over from the wealth they create. Try reading Adam Smith.
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I think i read it's somewhere around 48% of the nations worth.. to tired to look it up.
Old_Trapper70 said:
More right wing *********.
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How else you going to get it if , 100% tax isn't enough?
Old_Trapper70 said:
Yeah, you think Trump is a "good man", and not a "bad man" in spite of his lies, and screwing the American taxpayer.
I said he was a sinner..like you and me..in our eyes maybe worse..

Now, just which side of the aisle is constantly giving more to the wealthy, and taking more from the poor?
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There not giving anything to the wealthy, the wealthy are giving to them..Remember the only funds Government gets are given/taken.. The church today needs to shout and tell people what our responsibility as Christians are. I know my responsibility and I try to live up to it..
 
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