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A Guide to Obama Supporters

Discussion in 'Elections & Political Parties' started by Federal Farmer, Aug 23, 2008.

  1. Federal Farmer

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    A guide to Obama supporters

     
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    Dang you hit the various types right on. This will go down in history books as our most lowest point in America, especially if he gets elected :eek:


    Who would have thought anyone could make Clinton, Carter and Mondale look good!
     
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    So what one am I ?
     
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    Don't worry PFOS, we'll catch you. top gun and the rest though, I'm going to laugh my a$$ off when their boy goes SPLAT!!!
     
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    your going to catch me? realy cuz all I have seen is more and more reason to stay away from the Repubilcan party...After all Obama did not pull to his side...McCain Pushed me there.
     
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    You could be right... but my money is on you'll be bailing like Sihouette did for some sudden "health related" issue the day after the election. We will see my friend, we will see.;)

    OBAMA / BIDEN 08
     
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    Hope you enjoy the biggest spending increase ever, added to the largest tax increase ever.
     
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    Obama will mostly target the rich right?

    Bring in that nice old socialism communism

    Class envy stuff

    So it shouldn’t effect too many libs, they will reap from what obama steals from those who made it.

    Reminding them of tax increases might make them drool with hope that they can steal from those horrible rich folks.
     
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    I'm afraid I'm in a rather similar position. I could not, in good conscience, vote for McCain - despite the fact that I think he'd probably make a decent leader, it's where he plans to lead us that has me worried.

    And I can't, in good conscience, vote for Obama, because I don't know where he plans to lead us.

    And I can't, in good conscience, not vote.

    I might wind up going third party this year. The Libertarian candidate is a stiff that few libertarians are happy with, and the Green Party has split between the McKinney camp (the actual chosen Green candidate) and the Nader camp (he decided to run by himself, without the party's nomination). Anyway, McKinney is one of those "Impeach Bush!" idiots, so I wouldn't be able to vote for her. And Ralph Nader remains...well, Ralph Nader. There aren't any other third parties I'm even interested in.

    Basically, 2008 sucks.
     
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    Bob Barr and Ralp Nader will get more votes this time than ever before. It makes me so dang mad that in all of this great nation, for all of the qualified people out there. THIS IS WHAT THEY SERVE US


    the whole election should go in the Conspiracy thread
     
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    Biggest spending ? you mean the last 8 years?

    Or you mean the tax cut for the middle class? Obama has talked about?
     
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    Do not be fooled. If we look at Obama's own promises we will see:

    Of the 188 new spending proposals he has promises, the $300 billion price tag only covers 111 proposals. There are another 77 proposals with unknown cost estimates that will add billions to this number.

    This new spending, if enacted, would represent an almost 10% increase over the President’s FY 2009 budget.

    To put this in perspective, this $300 billion spending proposals would cost more than 42 states’ budgets combined (general fund expenditures). It is more than the United States spent last year on imported oil ($294 billion net). It is more than 60% larger than any one-year federal spending increase, ever.

    Senator Obama has promised to pay for his record new spending increases with a tax increase on families making $250,000 and over. However, this increase would only yield $225 billion over 5 years, a far cry short of the $1.4 trillion required under his new spending plan. So we will need to raise taxes on the middle-class and small businesses, or deficit spend.

    According to CBO, President Clinton’s 1993 tax increase raised taxes $240.6 billion over five years. The late Senator Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) called it the “largest tax increase in the history of public finance in the United States or anywhere else in the world.” But this proposal will increase spending $300 billion in a single-year!

    To finance the first year of this proposed spending ($300 billion), Congress would need to increase taxes on the top 1% of taxpayers by 57%. Under that scenario, taxpayers with incomes over $365,000 would see a tax hike of at least $40,300 on top of what they currently pay! That is simply not realistic. So if Congress decides to widen the pool of taxpayers footing the bill

    They would have to raise taxes on the top 5% by 38%; or the top 10% by 32%; or the top 25% by 26%; or the top 50% of taxpayers by 23%. The top 50% of American taxpayers, who already pay 96.9% of all federal income taxes, are those who earn $31,000 (AGI) or more.

    But we are not just looking at new spending. He also wants to balance the budget and stop spending the Social Security Surplus. If he follows through with these promises it would mean:

    The average taxpayer earning $62,000 would see their income tax bill rise $5,300 (61%); or

    The average taxpayer earning $104,000 would see their income tax bill rise by $12,300(74%)

    The average taxpayer earning $365,000 would see their income tax bill rise by an astounding $93,500 (132%)!

    Keep in mind all these tax increases would be on top of the:

    $2,300 tax increase 43 million families will feel when the current tax policy expires,

    $2,200 tax increase seniors will experience when the current tax policy expires, and

    $4,100 tax increase small business will have to pay when the current tax policy expires.
     
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    No, I mean the additional few trillion that Obama has already promised to add to current spending on the campaign trail. At least if Obama wins, Bush will only be the 2nd biggest spender in US history.

    Oh no, I remember this, I also remember how it is impossible to pay for his programs without deficit spending, even though he promises to balance the budget, but by doing so will result in what I state above.
     
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    ugh..

    well he did say he would give up in iraq and use that money for college loans
    so we will still be borrowing money from china but at least we can give it to the morons in higher education

    your list was so depressing

    I hope Obama does not get elected, but then again if he doesnt another will. we have to help people understand the government is not your mother or your bank
     
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