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A REAL-Prez; On-The-Job....FINALLY!!

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Mr. Shaman, Jan 31, 2009.

  1. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Whew!! FINALLY, we DON'T have to worry-about what kind o' stupid-crap might come outta Our President's mouth!!!!!!

    :cool:

     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    You can tell the Pro-Business "conservatives" are GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Just to point out:

    The six-party talks have been a waste of time. They have been occurred for years now and have resulted in nothing other than a nuclear North Korea.

    in 1994, the Clinton Administration refused to hold bilateral negotiations when North Korea broke the Agreed Framework.

    Simply saying "we will focus on the six-party talks" changes nothing that is presently occurring. Bush has focused on those talks since 2003. (when North Korea pulled out of the NPT)

    Anyway, it also shows the fundamental problem with American diplomacy in regards to North Korea. Our goal presently is to maintain six-party talks. What the real goal needs to be is to eliminate the North Korea nuclear program. The comments you quote from Obama indicate that this trend will continue.
     
  4. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Gee....lemme guess....that's what "They say...", huh?

    :rolleyes:

    Lil' Dumbya ALWAYS insisted upon doing things "Any way BUT the Clinton Way!".....but, that's what he end-up doing!!!!

    :p

    Ya' know.....you need to do a much-better job o' pickin'-your-fights.

    Do you have any idea how tiring it is, for me, kickin'-your-butt....time, after time, after time, after time, after time....... :rolleyes:
     
  5. BigRob

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    Nothing that you wrote indicates that the six-party talks were effective. The purpose of the talks was to prevent North Korea from having a nuclear program... guess what? They already tested a bomb. Guess those talks worked out well didn't they?

    So far, North Korea has broken every agreement they have made, and what have we done? We have offered them more stuff. What is their incentive to stop again? Oh, that is right, they don't have one.

    Anyway, your post simply backs up the fact that the six-party talks where a failure. Why is continuing them now some great strategy?

    This is really sad... your link wants to argue over whether North Korea broke a deal, or what the IAEA said, when they have already tested a bomb, defeating the entire purpose.


    Not quite sure what your fascination with my "butt" is, but you seem to fall right into the category of those advocating for talks over any meaningful progress or action. Exactly what I described in the previous post.

    Let me guess, you would like to go to Iran and ensure that those IAEA seals are not broken, and would continue to make the case that they have no program after they test a bomb? Sad.

    Another fact from the IAEA. After Libya announced they had a program and wanted to get rid of it, guess what the IAEA statement said? No joke here... it said "Libya does not have a program." Interesting.
     
  6. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    m'kay..........

    ...........this would have been another phone call then???? .......... or perhaps "take a message"
     
  7. BigRob

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    Exactly... it is no secret that China violates their WTO agreements and manipulates their currency to make their exports more attractive. Politically it is a blunder to make that a major issue however.
     
  8. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    hey Rob this is the one I liked but didn't want to post in case it depressed Mr. Shaman too much....

     
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    ugh!

    I did not think that I would have to add US/China relations to my HUGE list of Obama worries
     
  10. asur

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    Obama needs to fix the economy that he broke.


    Barack Obama - We judge men by the color of their skin and not
    their qualifications or chracter. - Roberty Reich 2009
     
  11. Pandora

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    Doesn’t seem fair to say he broke the economy unless you mean his party in general. but even with that the republicans have to get some blame.


    But I agree with you he was judged by the color of his skin rather than the content of his character.
     
  12. Andy

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    It's more important to me that we realize the ideology broke the economy. The theory that government control and regulation will fix things, resulted in all our problems.

    As to which specific person did the deed, that's a joke. Everyone in government is to blame for government meddling in things it had no business being in.

    We need to dramatically move away from government being the source of our solutions. It's never solved anything, and never will.
     
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    We have been staring down the wrong end of the rifle with North Korea for a long time. Obama inherited this mess. Rattling sabres, BWB style, has not worked with North Korea. They have a few nukes, and can get them as far as Japan. Not good.

    It's long past time to experiment and to see if there is any way out of this mess. It ain't blown up yet, boys, so Obama has not yet done anything any worse than his rather incompetent predessors, which would be a major achievement of total incompetence.
     
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    The Treasury Department has done some pretty amazing things with isolating North Korea under the Bush Administration. They have effectively isolated North Korea from the entire world banking system and it has had a major impact.

    The problem is that policy people have somehow decided that the six-party talks are the goal. The goal needs to be the elimination of the North Korean program.

    On a side note, Treasury is trying the same strategy in regards to Iran, but with limited success. (for numerous reasons)
     
  15. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    But look at what you just said. You claim Bush was incompetent, yet Obama is following the exact same path. So which is it? Is Obama just as incompetent for doing the same as Bush? Or are they both brilliant?

    You can't sit there and see two people doing the exact same thing, and claim one is brilliant and the other is an idiot, unless you are logically insane or a leftist.
     

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