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A war crime to support a war crime

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  1. Popeye

    Popeye Well-Known Member

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    Well, isn't that just swell?...If you don't have the evidence to support your invasion of Iraq, you just keep torturing until they say what you want.

    Sounds to me as if torture was used not so much to defend America from attack, but to hopefully come up with reasons so the Bush Administration could defend the criminal act of attacking a country that hadn't attacked us.

    You keep torturing someone long enough, eventually they'll say anything...something Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and the rest of the Bush regime war criminals were counting on...truth be damned.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66622.html
     
  2. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman Well-Known Member

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    ......AFTER it didn't sound like that-good-an-idea....ORIGINALLY!!!

    :rolleyes:
     
  3. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

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    You have the former Vice-President, you have multiple Bush intelligence sources, and now an Obama Intelligence Director all saying these techniques produced valuable intelligence.
     
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    Mr. Shaman Well-Known Member

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    How (typically) "conservative", of you.

    You wanna dance-around the Primary-reason for torture.....​

    .....with those (typical) "LOOK!! Over THERE!!!!!!!" distraction-tactics!!!

    Dick Cheney was DESPERATE to get someone (thru whatever-means-necessary) to verify the "cherries" that he & Richard Perle had "picked", at The Pentagon!!!​
     
  5. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman Well-Known Member

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    .....Not-to-mention enhancing Richard Perle's portfolio!

    :mad:

    Oh....I forgot....the Iraq War Wasn't About Oil.....REALLY!!!!

    :rolleyes:

    Ain't Vulture Capitalism Grand??!!!!
     
  6. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman Well-Known Member

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    ......Not-to-mention those that no-LONGER have a voice-in-the-matter!!!!

    :mad:
     
  7. Dr.Who

    Dr.Who Well-Known Member

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    And yet the interrogations did result in information in which the recently released memos show the cia says stopped a terrorist attack in LA and resulted in the capture of AQ allies.

    After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

    The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.

    “You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.

    “You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”

    http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/05_johnyoo.shtml
     
  8. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman Well-Known Member

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    Mr. Shaman Well-Known Member

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    C'mon....c'mon.......

    It's already been established that John Yoo is full-o'-crap......besides being a liar.

    :rolleyes:

     
  10. The Scotsman

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    Please post all further comments to the other torture threads running
     
  11. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

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    Shaman... claiming that there is no link between Saddam and terrorism hardly means anything when discussing the question of if these techniques resulted in valuable intelligence, which both parties are saying it did.
     
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