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Al Qaida is US puppet

Discussion in 'Conspiracy Debates' started by kathaksung, Aug 8, 2008.

  1. kathaksung

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    Al Qaida exists where US intelligence dominates. Al Qaida in US when Bush need excuse to activate Mid-east war. That is 911 attack. Al Qaida is everywhere in Iraq now to bomb innocent civilians when US occupies Iraq. Strange to say, under the Saddam regime, there is no Al Qaida. Al Qaida seems only exist where the regime being controlled by US. So we see no Al qaida in Syria and Iran. But they appears to attack ordinary people when the government either is controlled by US intelligence or supported by US intelligence. That's why you see Al Qaida attacks in US, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Iraq (after it is occupied by US). Because where they are protected by the intelligence, worked as a whip to beat people. When government want money and power, they beat the people with this whip (Al Qaida terror attack) People feel hurt then give up their civil rights and money to the government.
     
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    Troll Alert!!!
     
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    1. To your theory, Al Qaida is not a threat to other countries regime? Besides, how do you explain the accusation of Bush regime that Saddam had link with Al Qaida and support their terror activities?

    2. That's a good point. Yes, Al Qaida exiested in Afghanistan when the Taliban was in control. It doesn't conflict to my theory: Al Qaida is a tool of US intelligence. Bin Laden was under Taliban's shelter. So Taliban and Al Qaida all work for the US interest. Why US has a war on Taliban - its own proxy? Because they accuse 911 attack is done by Al Qaida. So they had to invade Afghan before they invading Iraq. The truth is, the so said mastermind of 911 attack, Bin laden, is never captured, as long as the Taliban leader - Omar. But Saddam, who has no link to 911 attack, and even no WMD is found in Iraq, was captured and hanged. Is that clear? Further more, US never seriously treat Taliban as a big enemy. It lets Nato to handle in Afghanistan while to put the main US force in Iraq despite Bin Laden is still at large. Is that clear?

    Then why did they start the Afghan war? Because the 911 case framed Al Qaida as perpetrator. US had to invade Afghanistan first before invading Iraq. This government is evil. It even kills its own citizens (false flag attack 911) to justify a war it wanted. So what for the deaths of Afghanistan? This is why Bin Laden is still alive and even can issue tape from time to time to the demand of US regime but Saddam, with no evidence linked to 911, was captured and hanged.
     
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    What Al Qaida has done?

    1. When neocon wanted mid-east war, they activated a false flag attack - 911 in the name of Al Qaida. The victim is American people.

    2. When Pentagon want to stay in Iraq and ask for more budget, Al Qaida bombed the market and mosque to kill Iraqi civilians, gave Pentagon an excuse to stay. (and even with more troops there). The victim is Iraqi civilians.

    3. When Americans are tired of Iraq war and civilian casulty, Al Qaida mystically weakened and the death of US troops and civilian both dropped to the bottom. It helps Republican to avoid a big issue which would embarass them very much in the election year. Once again, Al Qaida helps Bush's party.

    How conveniently Bush regime plays this "terrorist" whip - Al Qaida against American people.
     
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    What was the American motivation for Al Quada attacks in New Delphi? Do explain.
     
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    As a matter of fact, Al Qaida was known only after 911 attack. Many didn't hear it before then. Even for Syria president Assadt.

    Quote, "A norwegian professor believes al-Qaida is a Pentagon-fiction:

    http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article.jhtml?articleID=396241

    Al Qaida exists where US intelligence dominate. Al Qaida in US when Bush need excuse to activate Mid-east war. That is 911 attack. Al Qaida is everywhere in Iraq now to bomb innocent civilians when US occupies Iraq. Strange to say, under the Saddam regime, there is no Al Qaida. Al Qaida seems only exist where the regime being controlled by US. So we see no Al qaida in Syria and Iran. No wonder Assad doubt it:

    Syrias president questions the existence of al-Qaida:

    May 26, 2003
    «Syria Denies Existence of Al Qaeda»

    «KUWAIT CITY (Talon News) -- Syrian President Bashar Assad revealed in a newspaper interview on Sunday that he does not believe there is a terrorist group called al Qaeda, the organization widely believed to be the perpetrators of the hijackings on September 11, 2001 as well as the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia and Morocco.»

    «"Is there really an entity called al Qaeda? It was in Afghanistan, but is it there anymore?" Assad asked.»

    «Assad speculated about the existence of al Qaeda and its notorious leader Usama bin Laden in a Kuwaiti newspaper called Al-Anba. »

    «Nevertheless, questioning the existence of the al Qaeda terrorist network is very popular in Arab countries. Many people in these countries believe that the United States has hyperbolized the danger of al Qaeda as a means for portraying Muslims as violent and dangerous.»

    http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/may/0526_assad_denial.shtml
     
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    This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. And all of it is flat out wrong.

    How do you explain mentioning of Al-Qaeda in Executive Orders during the Clinton Administration if they did not exist...

    How do you explain the undisputed evidence of Al-Qaeda training camps in Sudan and then Afghanistan...

    How do you explain explain al-Jihad's and Zawahiri's failed attempts to kill Egyptian President Mubarak?

    How do you explain the undisputed presence of Al-Qaeda operatives in Africa buying diamonds as part of a moneylaundering scheme?

    How do you explain the bombings in Kenya, Tanzania and the attack in Yemen on the USS Cole?

    The list goes on and on. They were a well-documented group well before 9/11, dating all the way back to their creation in 1989, to anyone who actually has a clue.


    Further, you so called "proof" that Assad said Al-Qaeda was not in Afghanistan, from your very quote he openly admitted they were there, and questioned if they continued to remain there, not if they were ever there. This has to be one of the worst posts I have ever seen.

    Further, you claim they only exist where we want them to exist... So do tell why did we invent them in Sudan?

    Further, if they are truly a puppet of the US, please explain how it benefited the US to blow up our own embassies, and also how we benefited from attacks in the UK and India.
     
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    kathaksung New Member

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    When I said so, I had reference of original news. Please show your origins.

    Yes, there was Al Qaida before 911. It was only a data base in computer communication. Re: " The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."

    "In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat. "

    Read the following, then talk of Al Qaida. Don't be the delivery trumpet of government machine.

    Quote, ""Al Quaeda is not a terror network

    Wayne Madsen

    Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

    "I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

    "Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.

    "For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'

    "In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.

    "It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.

    "[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base."

    The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."

    "In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat.

    "In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force.

    Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.

    "These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.

    "Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases.

    It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.

    "Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.

    "Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.

    " . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.

    " Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.

    "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

    In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

    http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
     
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    Please don't copy and paste hugh chunks of text...it makes it much better for the readers if you make your case in you own words and put in a link as a reference or citation.

    Thank you
     
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    I was under the impression it was such common knowledge that Executive Orders, and UN Security Council Resolutions recognized Al Qaeda that I did not need to go through and link you to the complete run down...

    Try reading UN Security Council Resolution 1267. (Passed 1998)

    They also bombed our embassy in Tanzania in 1998... Or was that a data base that did that?

    I read your "comments" and they were frankly idiotic. Al Qaeda was carrying out operations pre 9/11, but you claim they did not exist. The UN recognized them in resolutions back in 1998, as did Clinton in an Executive Order.

    Your claim by "Wayne" does not discount any of this.
     
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    Al Qaida and real Islam resistence are treated differently.

    The real Islam resistence are put to Quantanamo where they are tortured. Like Zhubadah was waterboarded. But he is not Al Qaida.

    The hired tool such like Moussaoui, Bin Laden, Al Zarqawi all played a strong role to show that Al Qaida is cruel, inhuman. They aimed at common people, either its Americans or Iraqis. What they have done is to justify Bush's war policy. Any benefit to Islam? None. So Bin Laden can never been eliminated. From time to time he issued a tape when Bush needs it. A false flag that helps a lot to neocon but did nothing good to Muslim. That is Al Qaida. That's why Moussaoui cried in court, "I'm Al Qaida." Because Feds need someone to prove 911 was done by Islamic extremist not government insiders.

    Zubaydah, the man CIA used to justify the waterboarding that he confessed in 35 seconds after waterboarding, has a story here.

     
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    Al Qaida works for US intelligence

    Because OBL is an asset of CIA. The so said Al Qaida is a puppet tool works for US intelligence. They work to the demand of US intelligence.

    When you try to frame a case such like 911, who will help you to make it look like a real one? The puppet Al Qaida will do. That's how you saw, the only 911 survived suspect Mousaoui (the only prepared witness) cried in court: "I'm Al Qaida". But is there anyone here can give us the story how Maosaoui joined the 911 attack? Even though Moussaoui was arrested before 911, at least there was a plan, how he joined the team? But nobody knows. The government tell you Maossaoui is Al Qaida, he was a member of 911 attack team. That's all. Why he was arrested weeks before 911 and government still not aware of that coming attack? Government never explain. Maossaoui's case was a soap play.

    But I can tell you that Maossaoui was in Oklahoma. Clues tell us that Oklahoma bombing was also similar to 911 attack - a false flag terror attack. DOJ had proposed proposal similar to Patriot Act after the bombing. Only they failed to pass that law in OKC bombing case but succeeded in 911 case. Maossaoui also was a friend of Nick Berg in OKC. Nick Berg was involved in a beheading case one week after the break off of Abu Greibu prison torture scandle. The beheading case was obviously another soap opera acted to distract the public attention. Both were in place where Feds needed them. Both were used to vilify Islamic and justify Bush's war policy.

    What did Al Qaida do? (the major one which caused public attention)
    1. Bombing WTC in 1993. Six people died.
    2. Bombing US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzabua in 1999. Though 2 hundred people died, only 12 of them were Americans.
    3. Bombing USS Cole in 2000. 17 US sailors died.

    None of these was big enough to touch off a war. Because the casualty was small or the target was government.

    Then Al Qaida (or its master) changed its tactic. They targetted at people. This strategy change happened after Bush took over the office. Or you can view it as the mastermind of the Al Qaida change its strategy when Bush is in power.

    4. 911 attack in 2001. 3 thousand people killed. Most were Americans. (The motive was to give Bush an excuse to start Mid-East war.)
    5. Bali bombing in October 2002. 2 hundred people killed. Most were Australians. (Same month when the House passed a bill to authorize President Bush Iraq war power. The motive is to push Australian joining the Iraq war.)
    6. Madrid bombing in 2004. 2 hundred people killed. Most were Spanish. (To push Spanish people supporting an US ally, Aznar, in election.)
    7. London bombing in 2005. Killed 52 Britons. (planned to justify coming terror attack in US.)
    8. Since 2005, when Al Qaida bombed Iraq Shiite Shrine in Samarra, a civil war started in Iraq. Then we saw many bombings each of which often killed tens to hundred of innocent civilians.

    We can see after 2001, Al Qaida mainly targets at innocent people. Why? Because thus people in panic willingly gave up their constitutional rights and and power and money to the ruling class.

    All these attackers after 2001 were died. Mostly unnecessary. (The bombers could leave the bomb there and ignit it by remote control.) Why? Because these "suicide bombers" were innocent, they didn't know they were sacrifice in the plot. Many of them might be informants of the government. But that was the best result for mastermind. A witness of their crime eliminated.

    It doesn't make sense to bomb innocent people. Even for religious extremest. What could Al Qaida get from killing innocent civilians?
    Kill poor people, what for? It only benefits those people who want to provoke hatred and conflict for more war.

    The flaw in 911 attack caused many suspicion from people. So this time the Inside Group prepared a big one - nuclear bombing which will caused the damage of the whole city and million's casualty at the hope that people won't believe government will activate such big attack.

    But they will. Because however big the attack is, the losers are always people. And, the government is always the winner - power and money. Don't you see what Bush and his group got after 911?
     
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    I am sorry, but you do not know what you are talking about. Bin Laden is not an "asset" of the CIA.

    More lunacy with no evidence.

    So now its a conspiracy between Clinton and Bush? Oklahoma City bombings were in 1995. You make a lot of wild assumptions with no evidence and no logical connections... go figure.

    You posted in another thread that Al Qaeda did not even exist, and now you are running down their list of attacks?

    If you think the United States did not respond to these attacks you are quite naive.


    And all of this is garbage as well with no supporting evidence, and really hardly warrants bothering a response.
     
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