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America the Gutless

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Mr. Carpenter, Oct 21, 2008.

  1. Mr. Carpenter

    Mr. Carpenter New Member

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    America the Gutless?


    I’m not really sure when it happened, I’m not even really sure how it happened, but the fact of the matter is that it has happened, America has become, by and far, gutless. I know that’s a pretty harsh thing to say today, especially with so many of out finest and bravest spilling their blood and their youth in the soil of foreign countries all over the world fighting terrorism. Pick up any newspaper, listen to any of the broadcast news reports on television or the radio and all we see and hear are people lining up far and wide screaming at the top of their lungs for an end to the GWOT, that it’s not worth it, that the only reason we were attacked in the first place is because of our own “meddling” in the affairs of others, on and on and on.

    Perhaps it was the lessons of WWII that “taught” these people that the cost of warfare, for any reason is simply too high. We were led into WWII by FDR because, not unlike 9-11, we were viciously attacked without warning by an enemy that believed we had somehow “wronged” them. The Greatest Generation went off to war, and in less than 4 years they defeated two of the worlds “Superpowers” as well as several lesser ones, but the cost was high, very high. As a result of WWII we took on such a large amount of financial debt that some say that we’re still paying for it, but more importantly we paid an even higher cost in human lives and suffering with the death or injury of over 1.6 million of our own citizens.

    Less than a decade after WWII, we again sent our best and brightest off to fight in some distant land, this time to a place called Korea, this time led by FDR’s former Vice President, Harry S. Truman. This time however is was starkly different. Perhaps it was because Korea didn’t actually attack us, perhaps it was because Congress didn’t actually declare War on Korea like they had on Japan, perhaps it was because the people here at home weren’t forced to make the sacrifices that they had during WWII, or perhaps it was because the wounds of WWII were still very fresh in peoples minds, but public support for our men fighting on the frozen ground of Korea wasn’t nearly as fervent as it had been for their fathers and older brothers less than a decade before. To compound the problem, while our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines were fighting and dying in Korea, President Truman was setting the stage for out next, and perhaps most divisive, “Police Action” in yet another far off land that most people had never heard of; Vietnam.

    Just over 10 years after the “cease fire” in Korea, once again our bravest and finest were officially sent off, en mass, to fight, and once again many in the country couldn’t find the intestinal fortitude to support them fully and unconditionally. Vietnam quickly became an anathema for America with the nation fully divided between those who supported not only the troops, but also the mission, and those who honestly felt that there was nothing in that fetid little strip of land in SE Asia worth the first drop of American blood. The former group were mostly those who had served in WWII and Korea, and their children who were taught that it didn’t really matter if you understood it or not but when your country called, you answered. The latter group were primarily the children or orphans of those veterans, and understandably the widows of fallen fighting men of both previous wars who questioned why, once again, it was necessary for us to send our bravest and finest off to fight in some distant land for a people who they had never heard of, who had never done anything to us, or simply weren’t deserving of our help, and whose attitude was that it was their problem, let them deal with it. Worse yet, when we finally did finish our mission in Vietnam and came home victorious in 1973, the gutless wonders couldn’t accept the fact that we’d actually won, despite their protestations, they invented the lie that we somehow ‘lost’, and they still tell that same lie to this day!

    Now, here we are, in the early years of the 21st Century, and once again we find out troops in harms way, in foreign lands, fighting and dying for a cause that, if you believe the alphabet soup news organizations, the vast majority of Americans find to be without merit. They parrot the words of Usama Bin Laden, the very mastermind behind the attack on 9-11 as reasons why we shouldn’t be in Afghanistan and Iraq. They once again openly attack our Commander In Chief, call him a liar, and demand his impeachment, yet they ignore the fact that it was his predecessor, and his 8 years of irresponsibility that led directly to the attacks of 9-11. Where are the calls for charges to be filed against Bill Clinton for criminal culpability in the attacks of 9-11? No, they won’t do that, they’d much rather defile the memory and sacrifices of their own sons and daughters and call them folly. They claim that we, the United States of America, are the root cause of all of the ills of the world and want us to tuck tail and run from an enemy that in 7 years has inflicted fewer casualties than almost any one day’s fighting in WWII, and they call themselves patriots. These “Americans” are what many of my generation call “gutless wonders”, they have no morals, they have no intestinal fortitude, they have no knowledge of the true causes of terrorism, and can’t be bothered to research it because it’s so much easier to believe the talking heads on the idiot box. They refuse to acknowledge that there are people out there in the world who would gladly kill them and their entire families in the name of their religion if they were given half a chance, and rail against those who are willingly spilling their blood to prevent that very thing from happening, …again.

    Were the consequences to not only our nation, but to it’s people (including the gutless wonders) so abhorrent to me, I would say stop the fighting and bring the troops home now, but not because I agree with the traitors in our midst, but so that we would again be attacked and hopefully our enemy would strike in the middle of a “victory rally” for all of the gutless wonders that actively seek our failure as a nation in order to remove them and the plague of defeatism that they carry from our country. A wise man once said that “Dissent is Patriotism”, but the difference is that the dissent he was referring to didn’t include intentionally trying to harm your own nation, or the thoughtless betrayal of that nation on the alter of ‘peace at any cost’.
     
  2. Popeye

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    We came home victorious from Vietnam? Is that why America ran with their tail between their legs? Is that why North Vietnam took over the entire country? Is that why Saigon is now named Ho Chi Minh City?

    The US got their asses kicked in Vietnam, every body knows it. They deserved it..it's just too bad 58,000 had to die before the government finally got it through their heads that they had no business being there.
     
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    Well when the government at the time is focused on containment and is a firm believer in the "domino theory" we did have business being there.
     
  4. Libsmasher

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    The calls for surrender and abandonment of iraq's fledgling democracy comes from the left. The reason that they call for it is because, to a leftist, tax money is what oxygen is to normal people. They begrudge the expenditure of money anywhere and for anything that is not related to their getting and keeping political power. That, because to them political power is the only thing that gives their lives meaning. Most, like Obama or Edwards, live lives devoid of achievement or are despicable types - they can only validate (in their minds) their lives by getting political power.

    Did it ever occur to you that the cost of WWII would have been very very LOW, if people didn't adhere to this "I'll let you throw the first punch" irrationality?

    Many people were able to grasp that if we waited until communists had swallowed up the whole world before acting in defense of fellow democracies, our own chance of surviving as such was zero.

    I've been to a lot of places in the world, and I assure you it is FULL of fetid little strips of land - are all these to be conceded to dictators?

    Nonetheless, Obama and his bots will abandon iraq, and later probably afghanistan. The gift of his election will certainly celebrated in the caves of the islamofascists as certain proof that Allah is great. When all the negative consequences of the abandonment begin, obama and his lib media shills will just say it's all Bush's fault. In the face of strong, growing, and malevolent forces in the world, the US is electing an appeaser. It may play out like Jimmy Carter's four disastrous years, when after a long string of appeasement acts, Carter finally woke up near the end of his term to confront the real world (when the soviet union invaded afghanistan), where issues are settled with guns. It's really too bad national memory doesn't extend 30 years.
     
  5. Stalin

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    Is this your own work ?
     
  6. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    You need to do a little research on the Vietnam war. We most certainly did not get our 'asses kicked'. If everyone knows it, then everyone is ignorant.

    The real story of Vietnam, is how military personnel should be in charge of military operations.

    Did you know that American forces never once, at any time during the entire Vietnam war, ever lost a battle? Not even once.

    It was LBJ (D) and a line of political idiots that prevented our American forces from pursuing the enemy, and destroying them.

    In fact one general said something to the effect that never in the history of our military has it performed so well, while being prevented from defeating the enemy.

    Our military kicked Viet Communist butt up and down Vietnam, ten times over, and then some, but was never permitted to finish off the pathetic communists.

    Even at the very end, Nixon finely removed the shackles from our air forces, and bombed North Vietnam into powder over and over until they finely agreed to a cease fire! Even the north vietnamese agree to this.

    So you want to know why South Vietnam is communist? Why is Saigon is now named Ho Chi Minh City? Easy. When the democrats got control of congress, they passed a bill making it illegal for the military to provide support for South Vietnam. The democrats doomed South Vietnam. They openly stated to Ho Chi Minh that he could attack, and we would not help our ally.

    Thus, he did. While he was backed by the Kremlin, and Chi-coms, our allies in South Vietnam were forcibly deserted by the democrats in congress. While Republicans in congress pleaded our leaders to simply provide air support for South Vietnam, the Vietnamese were doomed to mass slaughters, unmarked graves, systematic murdering, and mass floods of "boat people" fleeing the terrors of Communism.

    Now it's happening again. Just in at the time when we nearly have the enemies in Iraq nearly defeated, our almost traitoristic democrat party is once again demanding we set a concrete date to pull out, telling the opposing forces when will be the time to attack, and that we won't help our ally. If the democrats had their way, a repeat of vietnam will happen all over, dooming thousands in Iraq to mass slaughters.

    We can't let it happen. Vote against Obama, before we cause another slaughter.
     
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    ..........not unless he also has the handle "Country Gent"
     
  8. Mr. Shaman

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    "We" SCREWED the Vietnamese....and, got the @ss-whuppin' we deserved!!!!

    In the process, 58,000+ American-servicemen were sacrificed on the alter to The Cold War!!!!

    You "conservatives" never were students-of-History, which pretty-much explains why you're so quick to go-to-War (.....and, invest, heavily, in weapons-production!!). :mad:
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Ah, yes.....The Domino Theory....one o' the most-effective sales-pitches ever MADE, by the weapons-production arm of Corporate Amerika!! :rolleyes:
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Yeah....that should be left to more-experienced people, right?? :rolleyes:
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Really? Spin this!!!!

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    This is a bit of revisionist history.
     
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    I would agree with you that we did not come home from Vietnam heros or in victory. Liberal freaks from hell spit in the faces of the troops that came home and treated them like dog crap, it did not look victorious to me. Saying they got their asses kicked and deserved it seems wrong to me but very left thinking. They were drafted, they had no control about getting their asses kicked, and they never deserved those freaks spitting in their faces either.

    Except the vile ones who turned on the service and the troops those guys got a hero's welcome, those guys like John Freaking Kerry (who served in Vietnam)

    But all in all Id agree we did not come home in victory, I think its tails tucked between legs that you said. that same way the libs are demanding our troops come home again. the last time it was libs protesting war and idiots in congress that had them come home "tails tucked between legs" and those same liberal freaks are doing it again and those same mindless congressmen.


    I dare libs to spit on the troops this time, I think they would end up with broken ribs but by their fellow americans, the soilder wouldnt have to do nothin
     
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    Yes, it is my work. "Country Gent" was my "nom de plume" on another Forum 3 years ago when I originally wrote it. I took it out, dusted it off, and made a few changes to bring it up to date.
     
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    You got it Andy. But don't hold out any hope that the Commies, or gutless, cheese-eating surrender monkey, barking moonbats will ever acknowledge the truth. They're worse than the French, they surrender even before the enemy mobilizes!
     
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