I keep editing because I don't want you to criticize my spelling like you did the other guy's lol.
Now I will tell you why I ridiculed your rebuttal to Lily's points.
Immigrants go to school and use our tax money for education regardless of status, so that one's out.
Nope, not out.
That is why we have a limit on the number of LEGAL immigrants and why the schools are so burdened because of ILLEGAL immigrants which exceed the numbers we can absorb. Legalizing all of them will not change that at all.
About food stamps, this quote explains it:
Just like with the schools, we allow only a limited number of immigrants for a reason. All of those extra unplanned ones are a heavy burden on these social services and they will need them after they are "legalized" too because there is always a percentage of people who don't keep a job or who go to prison or who get a catastrophic illness.
Hospitals have to accept someone regardless of status. But you're right, Medicaid is something they would be eligible for. I really don't find it possible that they will start taking out more than they will put in with taxes, because they were already using too many government funded programs before they were made legal.
Are you aware that that doesn't even make sense ?
Read what you wrote again and you will see that. You are saying that because they have been using too many government funded programs before being legal, that means it is not possible that they will use more than their tax contributions after they are legalized.
WTF, give me one reason why that would be true.
I really don't know how to make it more clear, but I'll try. If we make illegal immigrants here now legal, we won't have to spend money deporting them since they'll be legal.
You didn't answer the point. At all. Her point was not even about saving money on deportation, it was about how you said deporting doesn't work and then you said we should start deporting anyone who comes after the amnesty.
These 12-20 million low-skilled workers are already here! Making them legal will force companies to pay them minimum wage, which they aren't paying now. That means it would give Americans a chance to compete with them and wages would go up. Just think about it.
Again you failed to deal with the point. She said that the motivation to hire them has been the slave level compensation so there would be a large number that would lose their jobs.
And saturation of the labor market as both Lily and I and someone else has pointed out to you.
Another point you have not answered.
No, you can't easily afford health insurance on a low-skilled job. But it gives them the ability because they're legal.
Wrong. It doesn't give them the ability. It gives them legal status to buy it if they have the ability but most won't have the ability.
Do you not understand that the illegal immigrants are taking American jobs because they don't get paid minimum wage, because they're illegal? If we make them legal Americans can get the jobs because they will be competing for the same wage.
Do YOU not understand that there are only so many jobs available ?
You also didn't answer her point about the Swift raids or the stress on low skill class from importing direct competition even at equal wages.
I never mentioned George Bush. Do you think he would actually support legalizing all immigrants here now?
Of course he would.
What in the bloody hell do you think he has been promoting for the past two or three years ?
Actually they are rooted into the economy because they sneak across the border and work for less than minimum wage.
Because they have been deliberately allowed to do that. So you failed again to answer the point because the point being made was about the open border as a favor to corporations from people like George Bush.
[coming back later to add one more thing]
Do you understand what the big picture is and what the plans are for the United States and Mexico ? Until you do it will not be possible to get a grip on why any of this is happening and you will only be looking at the symptoms and not the disease.
And please don't ask me if I am saying illegal immigrants are a disease, I am using an analogy.