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[Pandora]

Your poor little self had some kind of bad experience, over a whole three months, and you feel that is sufficient evidence to condemn an entire country? How self centered and juvenile.

I've got a beef or two with Canada, in particular their development of the tar sands in Alberta, but I'm not going to say the whole country and it's people are rotten because of it.

Have you ever been up to Vancouver B.C.? The city, the province and, though admittedly my experience has been limited, the people I've met have been first class.

I did not have a bad experience. I learned what socialism FEELS like, and I hated it. Before I went to spend time there I was all for socialism, but after I lived inside of it, I changed my mind.

No I have never been to BC, though I was close enough to throw a rock at it last week I spent 3 months in Toronto and I learned I did not like socialism as much as I thought I did.

 

[UShadItComing]

I did not have a bad experience. I learned what socialism FEELS like, and I hated it. Before I went to spend time there I was all for socialism, but after I lived inside of it, I changed my mind.

No I have never been to BC, though I was close enough to throw a rock at it last week I spent 3 months in Toronto and I learned I did not like socialism as much as I thought I did.

Hi there. Is The Wilamette the river close to cannon beach? If so I did some marathon canoe racing there a few years ago.

I like Oregon because they are one of the first states in the land of the gun to start to understand the need to protect the environment. And it does have a nice coastline which is somewhat comparable with B.C.'s coast, although Oregon's is more spoiled I think. And not as interesting as the variable conditions on the B.C. coast. Still though IMO the best your country has.

I don't dislike all Americans in general but some of them are a little tedious. I very much dislike American foreign policy and am under no illusions abut the fact the US had it coming on 9/11.

Have a nice day!

p.s. Buffalo meat is crap and can be had for less than 2 bucks a pound. If you think that's better than Sockeye, the top Pacific salmon, then you need to be educated on a few culinary facts. No comparison pal. I'd eat smoked sawbill (Merganzer) before I'd eat that buffalo crap.

 

[Pandora]

Hi there. Is The Wilamette the river close to cannon beach? If so I did some marathon canoe racing there a few years ago.

The Willamette River is pretty big, it could go through Cannon Beach but I am not sure.

I like Oregon because they are one of the first states in the land of the gun to start to understand the need to protect the environment. And it does have a nice coastline which is somewhat comparable with B.C.'s coast, although Oregon's is more spoiled I think. And not as interesting as the variable conditions on the B.C. coast. Still though IMO the best your country has.

The main reason you like Oregon is the biggest reason I hate it. I have so many friends and family and have read about hundreds of others who have lost all rights to their own land because the retarded government found some slug or bug or something that they consider endangered. The only right they have left to their own land is the right to pay the taxes. My family in Pendleton have to literally watch their crops die because some beaver dammed up the river and stopped the right amount of water flow. I have read about hundreds of cases of people who bought land at a high price or had land at a high price and after the YEARS long red tape to be able to build on that land the invorionmental retards have past new laws saying what you can and can not do on the land so they are out hundreds of thousands and in some cases a millions of dollars.

In the city of Salem you may not plant any tree, plant or shrub that is not O.K’d by the government, you may not cut down a tree on your own property without city approval, even if you planted that tree. Actually that cutting the tree down goes for most if not all of the state, though some Conservative areas ignore that rule. There are so many people who have land but may not even build as much as a tree fort on it. They may only pay the taxes due.

A sweet old man had a whole lot of land and decided to make a train and tracks. All mini size but not like the kind you buy your kids, a bit larger. He planted many beautiful trees and made such a lovely scene. When the city found out they demanded he tear it out and have nothing there. He only had the right to pay taxes on the land but not use it.

I don’t know if you realize the nightmare the environmentalist have put on us, maybe you do realize it and think its ok with you. Maybe the Government comes first in your book. I think it sucks and that is the worst thing about this State.

I don't dislike all Americans in general but some of them are a little tedious. I very much dislike American foreign policy and am under no illusions abut the fact the US had it coming on 9/11.

I didn’t like Canadians in general. They reminded me of the French. I met some I liked but mostly I was really disappointed in everything I saw. I went to Canada feeling like I was visiting a sister country. I was happy and proud to go, but I left thinking what a stinkin place. Though I thought Barrie Ontario was very pretty in the winter.

You can think we had it coming on 911. In this country you have freedom of speech, freedom of expression. I am not so sick minded or twisted in my thought to think that anyone had death coming to them. Even something smaller like being punched in the face I do not think someone has that coming. But you do seem like the kind of person who would think that way, so I accept your opinion.

I do wonder what would Canada do if they were attacked? Shoot twice and run like the French

p.s. Buffalo meat is crap and can be had for less than 2 bucks a pound. If you think that's better than Sockeye, the top Pacific salmon, then you need to be educated on a few culinary facts. No comparison pal. I'd eat smoked sawbill (Merganzer) before I'd eat that buffalo crap.

Glad you don’t like buffalo, leaves more for those of us who do.

 

[UShadItComing]

The Willamette River is pretty big, it could go through Cannon Beach but I am not sure.

Oh that is too bad you don't know but Cannon beach is the coast and maybe you don't requent those areas.

The main reason you like Oregon is the biggest reason I hate it. I have so many friends and family and have read about hundreds of others who have lost all rights to their own land because the retarded government found some slug or bug or something that they consider endangered. The only right they have left to their own land is the right to pay the taxes. My family in Pendleton have to literally watch their crops die because some beaver dammed up the river and stopped the right amount of water flow. I have read about hundreds of cases of people who bought land at a high price or had land at a high price and after the YEARS long red tape to be able to build on that land the invorionmental retards have past new laws saying what you can and can not do on the land so they are out hundreds of thousands and in some cases a millions of dollars.

Now aren't you exaggerating a little on protecting bugs and slugs. You seem to be a very bitter person. And is your anger at beaver too because it is Canada's national animal? I know that Oregon doesn't drag it's feet in protecting the environment and I think that has benefited Oregon enormously over the years which they have adopted that attitude. It's for the common good and I don't think Oregonians will ever have it anly other way. In fact B.C. 'ers have even cited Oregaon as an example in some cases. For example bottle and can recycling which Oregon had the good sense to start years before others did. Some states look like filthy third world countries while Oregon looks beautiful for the most part. You seem to be in the minority and I'm sure you will stay there.

In the city of Salem you may not plant any tree, plant or shrub that is not O.K’d by the government, you may not cut down a tree on your own property without city approval, even if you planted that tree. Actually that cutting the tree down goes for most if not all of the state, though some Conservative areas ignore that rule. There are so many people who have land but may not even build as much as a tree fort on it. They may only pay the taxes due.

Now I know you are exaggerating because although there are instances of rules and regs on planting certain trees, it's not how you describe it at all. And in this day, age, and environment there are good reasons for not allowing the wholesale cutting down of trees. I think you're living in the past with a chip on your shoulder. In addition to that I would be pretty pissed off if I lived in an exclusive subdivision and had some numbskull let his kids build a treefort next door. Not tom mention a building which could be unsafe, too close to the property line, and any number of problems which you don't seem to understand. Why are you so angry? Are you of the middle class in America which is not being allowed to live the American dream? Why is life so bad for you? Life is fine in Canada for me.

A sweet old man had a whole lot of land and decided to make a train and tracks. All mini size but not like the kind you buy your kids, a bit larger. He planted many beautiful trees and made such a lovely scene. When the city found out they demanded he tear it out and have nothing there. He only had the right to pay taxes on the land but not use it.

Sounds like a bogus story to me but in any case I would hope that my city would protect my rights to not have a bloody railway next door to me. But then my city doesn't allow wrecked cars in the front yard either and it sounds ike you would approve of even that if the old man was sweet enough!

I don’t know if you realize the nightmare the environmentalist have put on us, maybe you do realize it and think its ok with you. Maybe the Government comes first in your book. I think it sucks and that is the worst thing about this State.

After I work through the exaggerations you make there is nothing that isn't common sense for decent people who respect others rights. You Americans belllyache about your own rights but you don't think of other's rights. Nimby's!

I didn’t like Canadians in general. They reminded me of the French. I met some I liked but mostly I was really disappointed in everything I saw. I went to Canada feeling like I was visiting a sister country. I was happy and proud to go, but I left thinking what a stinkin place. Though I thought Barrie Ontario was very pretty in the winter.

If you don't like any race of people in general than that is your personality flaw my friend. I needn't say more on that. Why are you so unhappy with your life? Middle class American on the way down?

You can think we had it coming on 911. In this country you have freedom of speech, freedom of expression. I am not so sick minded or twisted in my thought to think that anyone had death coming to them. Even something smaller like being punched in the face I do not think someone has that coming. But you do seem like the kind of person who would think that way, so I accept your opinion.

I just believe that when any people are attcked and slaudered indiscriminately for long enough eventually they are going to strike back. What would you do if the people of the ME countries killed your loved ones? No mystery there pal, you would do what I would do.

I do wonder what would Canada do if they were attacked? Shoot twice and run like the French

Canada took part in the first Gulf war and we shouldn't have. If Canada was attacked in a revenge attack by an enemy we have wronged then I would understand why they attacked. It would be revenge. I would not go to war in a case such as that and I always do my best to discourage Canadians from taking part in these US led wars which are always less than legitimate. Do you hate French people too? Is there any people you like?

Glad you don’t like buffalo, leaves more for those of us who do.

It was supposed to be a big hit in Alberta but the people already had a taste for fine beef and now you can't give the sh-t away. Sockeye salmon is something a little different but perhaps a little too refined taste for you.

I got a hunch that if I gave you a US style beer in a can and something salty you would think you're eating gourmet food.

 

[Bunz]

I like all salmon, "guumcaq" which is smoked king backstrap, and smoked red belly strips.
I have had bison 5-6x in the last few years. I really enjoy it. They live a long ways from me. But a very good friend of mine, finally after entering the permit lottery for bison for 30 years religiously, was drawn. So he and I will be making a two our flight and a 7 hour drive up to Delta Junction to try his luck at seeing a good one. Even though I will only be a mere packhorse in the operation, I will get plenty of the goods and am quite excited to go.

 

[UShadItComing]

I like all salmon, "guumcaq" which is smoked king backstrap, and smoked red belly strips.
I have had bison 5-6x in the last few years. I really enjoy it. They live a long ways from me. But a very good friend of mine, finally after entering the permit lottery for bison for 30 years religiously, was drawn. So he and I will be making a two our flight and a 7 hour drive up to Delta Junction to try his luck at seeing a good one. Even though I will only be a mere packhorse in the operation, I will get plenty of the goods and am quite excited to go.

Indian names for salmon are different here on the lower B.C. coast so I don't recognize yours. When you refer to 'King' you must be referring to Chinook or locally known as spring salmon. The big ones anyway. I also enjoy smoked pinks because it's less oily.

buffalo is not great meat in my opinion and wouldn't stack up against other wild game such as moose or elk. Moose or elk can be prepared in a gourmat fashion while buffalo has that hard fat which solidifies as soon as it cools. Venison is the same but at least venisone has a distinctive taste. Like I say, they give it away in Alberta and a roast I had in my freezer ended up freezer burned and I fed it to my dogs.

That's my opinion but I acknowledge it's a matter of taste. If you look up some info on buffalo in Alberta you will find that it was a mistake because people were just too used to good grain fed beef. Some of the best in the world next to and behind Kobe beef.

 

[Pandora]

Oh that is too bad you don't know but Cannon beach is the coast and maybe you don't requent those areas.

I know about Cannon Beach, I just can not name the various rivers that run through it. Most of the coastal towns have more than one river that runs through them and most of them are very odd names like Umqua, Slitcoos. The Willamette “could” go through there but it doesn’t seem likely to me since the Willamette runs south to north and dumps into the Sandy, and that dumps into the Columbia and that dumps into the Ocean. Almost all of the coastal rivers go East to West and dump right into the Ocean.

Now aren't you exaggerating a little on protecting bugs and slugs. You seem to be a very bitter person. And is your anger at beaver too because it is Canada's national animal? I know that Oregon doesn't drag it's feet in protecting the environment and I think that has benefited Oregon enormously over the years which they have adopted that attitude. It's for the common good and I don't think Oregonians will ever have it anly other way. In fact B.C. 'ers have even cited Oregaon as an example in some cases. For example bottle and can recycling which Oregon had the good sense to start years before others did. Some states look like filthy third world countries while Oregon looks beautiful for the most part. You seem to be in the minority and I'm sure you will stay there.

There is a Yellow slug that apparently only lives in the Oregon coastal area, many laws have been past to protect it. We call it the banana slug but there is a much longer name for it. There is also a bird on the coast called the snowy plover. Apparently it only nests on the beach so laws were (attempted) to pass to stop all people from the beach from the months of April to September (tourist season) At first they were trying to make the laws that no one can be on the beach but after much uproar by the local community because banning human life from that 150 mile stretch of beach during the only time they would actually want to come would kill business for those communities. So the law changed to you can not fly kites on that stretch of beach or ride a bike but you can be there. We horrid conservatives like to tease that our state and the Taliban are the only two groups who banned kite flying. In Pendleton Oregon where my family is from has a lot of trouble with beavers. They dam up sections of the Umatilla river, that river is what wateres the wheat, pea and corn crops. It is against the law to break up the dams, though people do when ever they can. In the case of my family there were environmental activists in the area and when they attempted to break the dam the police were called. The police did not agree with it but had no choice but to side with the environmentalists. That years crop failed. Environmentalists are not very welcome in Eastern Oregon. They live in the city on the western part of the state and only come out to the Pendleton area to make sure their laws are being followed. They have no idea what farm life is like, but due to the population of the bigger city’s they make most of the laws. I had no idea that Canada’s national animal was the beaver, and I have no anger at beavers. I actually like beavers. The beaver was doing what beavers do, but the farmers also need to do what they need to do.

Oregon is beautiful I agree. There is not much garbage at all on the streets, we have prisoners from jail pick up trash and weed the sides of the road Monday through Friday.

Now I know you are exaggerating because although there are instances of rules and regs on planting certain trees, it's not how you describe it at all. And in this day, age, and environment there are good reasons for not allowing the wholesale cutting down of trees. I think you're living in the past with a chip on your shoulder. In addition to that I would be pretty pissed off if I lived in an exclusive subdivision and had some numbskull let his kids build a treefort next door. Not tom mention a building which could be unsafe, too close to the property line, and any number of problems which you don't seem to understand. Why are you so angry? Are you of the middle class in America which is not being allowed to live the American dream? Why is life so bad for you? Life is fine in Canada for me.

Salem Oregon (Marion County) passes indigenous plant laws. It all started with Scotch Broom. It was not native here, and now it’s taken over. I don’t have an issue with educating the public on the dangers of bringing in new types of plants or animals. Using the Scotch Broom as an example or in maybe Florida how they have Constrictor problems due to people releasing snakes after they get too big. I have a problem with government mandates and being treated like we are not a free people. You must not pay a lot of attention to Oregon issues. Fights over the right to cut down a tree is in the news almost every day. Fights for land use are also in the news daily. One land use case that I know of is heading to the Supreme Court.

The bottle bill is a good law; many things can be good laws. It helps the homeless make money. It is just the people who populate the west part of the state needs to consider the people in the eastern part of the state when voting and realize the fact that life for them is totally different and they have different needs.

 

[Pandora]

Sounds like a bogus story to me but in any case I would hope that my city would protect my rights to not have a bloody railway next door to me. But then my city doesn't allow wrecked cars in the front yard either and it sounds ike you would approve of even that if the old man was sweet enough!

The story was in the news for the last two weeks. It was not a rail way and he didn’t have anyone living next door he had several acres. He had it for some time before the environmentalists found out and made a stink. It was not bothering anyone but them.

After I work through the exaggerations you make there is nothing that isn't common sense for decent people who respect others rights. You

Is that how you reason things? If you don’t like it then it must be an exaggeration? Without any proof or investigation into the matters.


I agree we should be respectful to our neighbors and to our community but My right to swing my fists ends at your face. Your right to decide what the land looks like ends at your property line. You have no business telling me if I should not cut down a tree in my yard that I don’t want to care for. The government has no right to tell someone you may not use or build on these 5 acres but you still owe property tax. (at least the tax is lower because the worth of the land becomes almost worthless)

The government not just in Oregon but around the whole of the United States has been doing this very often. Sometimes over animals, sometimes over plants, sometimes over the new thing wet lands in at least one case that I know of over a slug and I saw on the news a case over a certain kind of insect.

Americans belllyache about your own rights but you don't think of other's rights. Nimby's!

If Americans don’t “bellyache” about our rights being taken from us, we will become like you. It is the one thing that makes us different than you or the French or any other country. We have a bill of rights a guarantee from the constitution.

If you don't like any race of people in general than that is your personality flaw my friend. I needn't say more on that. Why are you so unhappy with your life? Middle class American on the way down?

You are truly one strange duck. You do not know me. How is it that you can without knowing me decided that I do not like any race of people. I am Native American, Spanish and some German. I have friends of all races. And unhappy? Why would I be unhappy. I have just adopted the most beautiful little girl in the world. I have a great life. I am not middle class, I am no where near that standard. But it does not take money to make one happy.

I just believe that when any people are attcked and slaudered indiscriminately for long enough eventually they are going to strike back. What would you do if the people of the ME countries killed your loved ones? No mystery there pal, you would do what I would do.

What would you do? Shoot twice and run? We were attacked and we fought back and you say we had it coming, by that you lead me to believe you would sit down and take it.

Canada took part in the first Gulf war and we shouldn't have. If Canada was attacked in a revenge attack by an enemy we have wronged then I would understand why they attacked. It would be revenge. I would not go to war in a case such as that and I always do my best to discourage Canadians from taking part in these US led wars which are always less than legitimate. Do you hate French people too? Is there any people you like?

I adore Israel. I just have little respect for panty wasters. It could be because I am a female but I just get disgusted by weak men, and weak countries.

It was supposed to be a big hit in Alberta but the people already had a taste for fine beef and now you can't give the sh-t away. Sockeye salmon is something a little different but perhaps a little too refined taste for you.

You seem really offended that I like buffalo. Its something we had a lot as kids. Not everyone has the same taste. It is weird how you keep going on and on that I like buffalo more than fish. Be thankful that some like it and that leaves more of the stuff you like for yourself. I like elk more than buffalo, its just that buffalo has more meaning to me because of my heritage.

I got a hunch that if I gave you a US style beer in a can and something salty you would think you're eating gourmet food.

I do not like domestic beer, I like Australian beer the best and actually Canada has very good beer. Even the cigarettes taste different there. A better taste.

 

[UShadItComing]

The story was in the news for the last two weeks. It was not a rail way and he didn’t have anyone living next door he had several acres. He had it for some time before the environmentalists found out and made a stink. It was not bothering anyone but them.





Is that how you reason things? If you don’t like it then it must be an exaggeration? Without any proof or investigation into the matters.


I agree we should be respectful to our neighbors and to our community but My right to swing my fists ends at your face. Your right to decide what the land looks like ends at your property line. You have no business telling me if I should not cut down a tree in my yard that I don’t want to care for. The government has no right to tell someone you may not use or build on these 5 acres but you still owe property tax. (at least the tax is lower because the worth of the land becomes almost worthless)

The government not just in Oregon but around the whole of the United States has been doing this very often. Sometimes over animals, sometimes over plants, sometimes over the new thing wet lands in at least one case that I know of over a slug and I saw on the news a case over a certain kind of insect.







If Americans don’t “bellyache” about our rights being taken from us, we will become like you. It is the one thing that makes us different than you or the French or any other country. We have a bill of rights a guarantee from the constitution.






You are truly one strange duck. You do not know me. How is it that you can without knowing me decided that I do not like any race of people. I am Native American, Spanish and some German. I have friends of all races. And unhappy? Why would I be unhappy. I have just adopted the most beautiful little girl in the world. I have a great life. I am not middle class, I am no where near that standard. But it does not take money to make one happy.




What would you do? Shoot twice and run? We were attacked and we fought back and you say we had it coming, by that you lead me to believe you would sit down and take it.





I adore Israel. I just have little respect for panty wasters. It could be because I am a female but I just get disgusted by weak men, and weak countries.




You seem really offended that I like buffalo. Its something we had a lot as kids. Not everyone has the same taste. It is weird how you keep going on and on that I like buffalo more than fish. Be thankful that some like it and that leaves more of the stuff you like for yourself. I like elk more than buffalo, its just that buffalo has more meaning to me because of my heritage.




I do not like domestic beer, I like Australian beer the best and actually Canada has very good beer. Even the cigarettes taste different there. A better taste.

Too busy right now to respond to all that. I'll try to get back to you when there's another lull in the important threads I take part in. Just try to be a little more happy for now o.k? Even life in America can't be as bad as you portray it. I think?

 

[Pandora]

Too busy right now to respond to all that. I'll try to get back to you when there's another lull in the important threads I take part in. Just try to be a little more happy for now o.k? Even life in America can't be as bad as you portray it. I think?

There is no need for you to reply, I only did because you posted to me. There are some people you talk to because you enjoy it, others you reply to as not to be rude. We can leave it at this.


America is the greatest nation on Gods green earth, there is no reason not to be overjoyed with happiness to be lucky enough to be American. Remember we are the only country they stand in line to get to.

 

[UShadItComing]

There is no need for you to reply, I only did because you posted to me. There are some people you talk to because you enjoy it, others you reply to as not to be rude. We can leave it at this.

No, I won't leave it at that, but I won't give you a full answer right now. And you can rest assured that I don't talk to you because I like you.

America is the greatest nation on Gods green earth, there is no reason not to be overjoyed with happiness to be lucky enough to be American. Remember we are the only country they stand in line to get to.

then why all the complaining and why hasn't a hard worker such as yourself profited from the system? I'm just trying to tell you that you wouldn't have all those complaints if you lived in Canada and worked hard.

 

[Pandora]

No, I won't leave it at that, but I won't give you a full answer right now. And you can rest assured that I don't talk to you because I like you.




then why all the complaining and why hasn't a hard worker such as yourself profited from the system? I'm just trying to tell you that you wouldn't have all those complaints if you lived in Canada and worked hard.

I do work hard, my family does work hard. Have any idea how hard it is to operate wheat fields? When some idiot from the city decides that the beavers right to build a dam on your property trumps your right to water your wheat anyone with a brain would have a problem, so perhaps in Canada it would be ok



I was under no delusion that you wrote what you did to me because you liked me. I was more speaking for myself. I would rather engage with people I like or at least respect.

 

[UShadItComing]

I do work hard, my family does work hard. Have any idea how hard it is to operate wheat fields? When some idiot from the city decides that the beavers right to build a dam on your property trumps your right to water your wheat anyone with a brain would have a problem, so perhaps in Canada it would be ok

How could a beaver dam prevent you from watering your wheat? Was the dam on your property?

I was under no delusion that you wrote what you did to me because you liked me. I was more speaking for myself. I would rather engage with people I like or at least respect.

That's o.k., I prefer talking to nice people too but I don't give up on anyone. So I'm showing an interest in your beaver problem and I'm wondering if you are going to answer my question. It's just that I have a beaver dam on my property too but I don't grow wheat. I 'do' know something about beaver dams though.

 

[Pandora]

How could a beaver dam prevent you from watering your wheat? Was the dam on your property?




That's o.k., I prefer talking to nice people too but I don't give up on anyone. So I'm showing an interest in your beaver problem and I'm wondering if you are going to answer my question. It's just that I have a beaver dam on my property too but I don't grow wheat. I 'do' know something about beaver dams though.

The law says you can not break down the dam. When the dam is there the water level is lower, to low to reach the pipes that feed the various farms. Yes that dam was on my family’s property but the law said you were not to break it down. Usually you just break it down anyways and the law looks the other way but this particular time the environmentalist group were there and it became an issue. Those crops failed and there was nothing my family could do about it. It also affected other farmers down the line. For what ever reason that beaver or that beaver’s family liked that spot to build his dam on. I am not mad at the beaver; he did what he was born to do. I am unhappy with the environmentalists who never even tried to see the farmer’s point of view. They were eventually going home to Portland and this was not going to affect them but it affected everyone in the line of the dam.

My family is not the only one; there are many cases out there. I have a friend in Washington state who has (I forget how many acres) they can not access, but they pay taxes on.

The spotted owl has totally destroyed Lane county (where I live) some people were able to get other jobs but mostly people had to leave, many lost their homes when the mills shut down. We still feel the effects of the spotted owl issue. I like the owl ok but what was done to (save it) was over board, stupid and dumb. All the rules about the owl were made by people who don’t even live around here. Our schools are still claiming they are suffering due to no lumber revenues.

There is a whole other side to this environmental issue that few see or talk about. And again it might not be an issue in Canada but here in America we grew up on the idea of personal property rights, it’s hard to give up a right once you have had it. If you spent a week seriously studying BOTH SIDES of this issue Nation wide, perhaps you would see it differently and if you didn’t, all I can say is thank God your Canadian

 

[BigRob]

The law says you can not break down the dam. When the dam is there the water level is lower, to low to reach the pipes that feed the various farms. Yes that dam was on my family’s property but the law said you were not to break it down. Usually you just break it down anyways and the law looks the other way but this particular time the environmentalist group were there and it became an issue. Those crops failed and there was nothing my family could do about it. It also affected other farmers down the line. For what ever reason that beaver or that beaver’s family liked that spot to build his dam on. I am not mad at the beaver; he did what he was born to do. I am unhappy with the environmentalists who never even tried to see the farmer’s point of view. They were eventually going home to Portland and this was not going to affect them but it affected everyone in the line of the dam.

My family is not the only one; there are many cases out there. I have a friend in Washington state who has (I forget how many acres) they can not access, but they pay taxes on.

The spotted owl has totally destroyed Lane county (where I live) some people were able to get other jobs but mostly people had to leave, many lost their homes when the mills shut down. We still feel the effects of the spotted owl issue. I like the owl ok but what was done to (save it) was over board, stupid and dumb. All the rules about the owl were made by people who don’t even live around here. Our schools are still claiming they are suffering due to no lumber revenues.

There is a whole other side to this environmental issue that few see or talk about. And again it might not be an issue in Canada but here in America we grew up on the idea of personal property rights, it’s hard to give up a right once you have had it. If you spent a week seriously studying BOTH SIDES of this issue Nation wide, perhaps you would see it differently and if you didn’t, all I can say is thank God your Canadian

Interesting points you make. My one question is how can he not access his own land? That is quite strange.