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Are you ready for...SKY HIGH ELECTRIC?

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Unite Our Nation, Nov 4, 2008.

  1. Unite Our Nation

    Unite Our Nation New Member

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    First, for those voting for McCain, my sympathy is with you all. :( I send you good thoughts and vibs as you have not helped to create the coming energy disaster. *hugs*

    For those who voted for obama...while I don't wish ill or cold upon you, you are soon to learn that actions have consequences.



    From obama himself, he stated, "when I was asked about the issue of coal, um, um, ya know, under my plan, the COST OF ELECTRICITY WOULD NECESSARILY SKYROCKET."

    FYI, our Country is supplied with electricity via coal to the tune of 30 PERCENT!!!

    Oil supplies 40% of our energy...
     
  2. Stalin

    Stalin Active Member

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    ..er.. a most unfortunate choice of subject...

    "...Keith Olbermann delivered a special report Wednesday on the "Enron loophole" -- a regulatory gap that is the single greatest cause of out-of-control gasoline prices -- and how McCain's leading advisors created that loophole and continue to defend it.

    People who deal in oil routinely use "futures" -- agreements in advance on prices and delivery dates -- to deal with fluctuations in the market. However, deregulation has allowed commodity speculators to take over this system of futures and use it for their own profit, running up the price of oil in a speculative bubble.

    According to Olbermann, the story of $4 a gallon gas begins during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, when former Enron CEO Ken Lay started speculating on energy futures. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) gave Enron free rein, and when Bill Clinton was elected in 1992, CFTC Chairwoman Wendy Gramm moved to lock in the commission's informal position on Enron as official policy. Gramm then joined Enron's board of directors, earning more than $900,000 over the next decade.

    In December 2000, during the chaos following the presidential election, Enron got a law passed containing an amendment known as the "Enron loophole," deregulating not just single trades but entire markets. This made it possible for Enron to artificially create the California energy crisis -- and left Enron employees chortling over how they had ****ed over "Grandma Millie."

    The Enron loophole applied not just to electricity, but to all energy sources, which is why speculators have now been able to take over the oil market. Two weeks ago, the Senate Commerce Committee heard testimony from a former CFTC director that "the speculators are not just placing bets in these futures markets, they're saying, 'Gosh, I can control the price of heating oil.' ... Morgan Stanley is the biggest heating oil owner in New England."

    If the Enron loophole is removed, said this director, "you get at least a 25% drop in the cost of oil ... some people estimate 50%."

    John McCain voted to close the Enron loophole in 2002 and 2003, saying at the time that "we're all tainted" by Enron's money. But, notes Olbermann, "for most of this campaign, McCain has offered explanations other than the influence of speculators, and remedies other than regulation." If the Enron loophole is not closed, even alternative energy sources will do little to reduce prices, because speculators will be able to immediately take those over as well.

    "John McCain doesn't talk about the Enron loophole any more," reports Olbermann. "What changed? Since 2006, John McCain's top economic advisor has been former Texas Senator Phil Gramm, husband of the former CFTC head who then joined Enron."

    "It was Graham who passed the Enron loophole ... with no hearings, no debate," Olberman emphasizes. "It was Graham who stopped Democrats from closing the Enron loophole. ... Graham lobbied Congress about commodity trading rules in 2006."

    In addition, McCain's senior advisor, Charlie Black, was a lobbyist for the act containing the Enron loophole in 2000, and McCain's finance co-chair, Wayne Berman, has lobbied more recently against legislation to prevent price gouging.

    Olbermann acknowledges that McCain is now saying, "We must reforms the laws and regulations governing the oil futures market." However, McCain has not yet specifically mentioned the Enron loophole, and he still has Gramm and Berman and Black running his campaign and writing his economic policies..."

    This video is from MSNBC's Countdown, broadcast June 18, 2008.

    http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_aides_worked_to_create_defend_0619.html

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=mccain+enron&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

    Comrade Stalin of Enronistan
     
  3. Unite Our Nation

    Unite Our Nation New Member

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    Are you going to talk about WHAT THE POST IS ABOUT? Electricity and Coal! Want to try again?
     
  4. Unite Our Nation

    Unite Our Nation New Member

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    Also, start another thread on this, as this is a very important issue for all of us. Thanks!
     
  5. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    I hope if Obama should win, he is able to do everything he wants including bankrupting coal.

    We are never going to learn how dangerous socialism is untill we suffer through it, so lets suffer now while I am strong and ready and my kids are small and I can care for them.

    I have been all excited to rub obama supporting noses in the poop messes obama leaves around but today all the obama supporters at work said I hope he doesnt get to much power... and I will be his worst critic...and I hope he leads from the middle not the left. I couldnt believe they were saying that. who would think obama would lead from center, and now that they are saying they wish he would how can i rub obama poop mistakes in their noses

    grrr!
     
  6. Libsmasher

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    When the obamabots take over, get ready for a huge dose of ecofascism. The US ought to be building a new generation of nuclear power plants as fast as it can. Instead, there will be massive boondoggles of taxpayer money given to pie-in-the-sky "green" energy schemes.

    Meanwhile, islamofascists and dictators in general all over he world will be jumping for joy tomorrow at their incredible great fortune: a four year free pass to invade iraq, retake afghanistan, and overthrow non-IF middle east regimes - Allahu Akhbar! Oil prices will skyrocket once again.
     
  7. Pandora

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    IF he wins GOOD! We will never convince liberals that their way is wrong until they suffer from their own ideas. Bring it on :)

    I am with Glenn Beck on this one
     
  8. laughinatreps

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    He did, but as usual you missed that part, which is mainly why the only people that respond to 98% of your spews are the right wing fascists. lol


    which is exactly the reason why McCain will silently slither back into obscurity forever.....
     
  9. GenSeneca

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    Exactly who are these "right wing fascists" that are proposing National Socialism? I can't seem to find any "right wingers" on this board who find Socialism of any type to be palatable.
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    Sky high electric prices... Just add that to the list of Campaign promises from Obama that he'll actually keep. Hope and Change... Hope for a miracle because Obama is going to change affordable energy into "green" energy by way of taxation and regulation.
     
  10. laughinatreps

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    You can't find ANY "right wing fascists" on this board who DON'T call Obama's plan socialism due to your "blind loyalty" to a hack of a candidate....It's all a matter of perception...think for yourself and not what you are told......
     
  11. GenSeneca

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    Quote one of their posts where they are promoting National Socialism.
     
  12. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    socialism sucks, its a liberal thing not a conservative thing. I dont think any one here who is conservative or even mildly conservative has or would want socialism.
     
  13. laughinatreps

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    Can't. Why? Because I never said they were "promoting" National Socialism, I said you can't find a post where the conservatives (tonight"s big losers) don't refer to Obamas tax plan as anything other than socialist because all they are capable of doing is regurgitating McMavericks slander.....

    care to try again genius???
     
  14. GenSeneca

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    You called people here "Right Wing Fascists".... because they called Obama's tax plans Socialist... not because they were promoting or endorsing Fascism?
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  15. pocketfullofshells

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    I had 8 years of Republican rule, war debt and a wrecked Econ....and I am suppose to pay for voting for Obama....
     
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