Arson suspected in Alaskan church fire

[Bunz]

I am not concerned about it, i really dont care. Palin is going to have to get used to this sort of treatment.

Yes she will have to get used to this sort of treatment. Her desire to pursue national office certainly opens her to a new level scrutiny. When ones tours the country calling someone a socialist who pals around with terrorists, you had better be ready for the backlash, especially when she is the loser.

That being said, there is ZERO justification for this church to be burned, especially if it is connection with the politicians that attend the church.

 

[Pandora]

Yes she will have to get used to this sort of treatment. Her desire to pursue national office certainly opens her to a new level scrutiny. When ones tours the country calling someone a socialist who pals around with terrorists, you had better be ready for the backlash, especially when she is the loser.

That being said, there is ZERO justification for this church to be burned, especially if it is connection with the politicians that attend the church.

Obama IS a socialist

I would say that he "pals around" with terrorists is an over statement, she should have just said friends with them. That would have been more accurate.

Too bad I dont have a church for the liberal nut jobs to burn


telling the truth about obama has proven to be a dangerous affair!

Even private citizens like Joe the Plumber found out you can not speak up against obama with out his minions in every rats nest and spider hole coming out to attack you in what ever way they can to defend their messiah.

 

[Bunz]

Obama IS a socialist

Then so would GWB and Palin, who have actually been apart of socialist legislation. It is yet to be seen how much of a socialist Obama is.

I would say that he "pals around" with terrorists is an over statement, she should have just said friends with them. That would have been more accurate.

The point of the exercise is that when one spends a few months touring the country with nothing of value to add, but only to detract against her opponents as an attack dog, similar treatment seems to come back. I say this in regards to her ridicule about her answers to various very simple and straight forward questions. This certainly does not justify arson.

Too bad I dont have a church for the liberal nut jobs to burn

In all fairness, there is no public indication at this point that this event was even politically motivated. I am taking a wait and see attitude about it.

telling the truth about obama has proven to be a dangerous affair!

Even private citizens like Joe the Plumber found out you can not speak up against obama with out his minions in every rats nest and spider hole coming out to attack you in what ever way they can to defend their messiah.

You want to bring Joe the Plumber back into this? Give me a break, a single person who managed to corner a candidate in front of the media and then himself rode his 15minutes of fame into a brick wall.

 

[Pandora]

Then so would GWB and Palin, who have actually been apart of socialist legislation. It is yet to be seen how much of a socialist Obama is. .

Well if you take obama on his word and record you don’t need to wait for anything unless you don’t believe his word. It seems reasonable to me that a person could be critical of another person’s political stance even if they had some similarities. I will use abortion for an example. There are many people who believe in abortion in the first 3 months but are totally against abortion in the 9th month and completely against denying a living child medical care after they are born even if they were a target for abortion. It does not seem reasonable to me to say well you are for abortion in the first three months so you can’t speak out against abortion in the 9th month.

Bush is a social conservative, but when it comes to spending and enlarging the government he is no conservative just less liberal on spending than anyone he ever ran against. From what I know Palin is more conservative than Bush is in all areas. I suppose anyone who would advocate for or defend the Social Security system could be counted as a socialist at least to some degree. But if you are trying to say that Obama is the same as Bush or Palin when it comes to being a socialist, sorry I am just not buying that. Not even close.

But they may both have some socialistic points of views in some areas, just not to the extreme that obama has. The way I am reading your reply is that they don’t have a right to speak out against a higher degree of socialism because they may have some socialistic tendencies? That would be no different than a person who is ok with abortion in the first 3 months not being able to speak out against abortion in the 9th month. That seems lame to me.

The point of the exercise is that when one spends a few months touring the country with nothing of value to add, but only to detract against her opponents as an attack dog, similar treatment seems to come back. I say this in regards to her ridicule about her answers to various very simple and straight forward questions. This certainly does not justify arson. .

I find this very funny since this is ALL that Biden was and all the lefties were so happy to have Biden named as VP because he is such a good attack dog, and he could do the attacks while letting the messiah stay above it all. Liberals in general can dish it out but they can not take it, not even a little bit.

In all fairness, there is no public indication at this point that this event was even politically motivated. I am taking a wait and see attitude about it. .

Yeah, I am sure it was just a fluke

You want to bring Joe the Plumber back into this? Give me a break, a single person who managed to corner a candidate in front of the media and then himself rode his 15minutes of fame into a brick wall.

Joe was a very good example of how no one can dare speak against “the one” and not pay a price. This is really funny….you defend what happened to him as though it’s ok. That’s fine maybe to you it is ok. To me and too many others it is not. This man has a right to say what he thinks without mindless drooling obama worshiping followers who work for government to get into his personal records and tell news reporters about it.

You have a right to talk bad about him and you have a right to try and drag Palin and her kids and family through mud, fire or what ever. But government agencies do not have a right to look into his personal records and release them just to defend the messiah. Liberals are hard to understand. They love to trash any republican or conservative they can with true news or fake it really doesn’t matter, but if anyone dares say anything even if its true about the messiah or any of his sleazy associates then its some thing bad and should be stopped.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Bush is a social conservative, but when it comes to spending and enlarging the government he is no conservative just less liberal on spending than anyone he ever ran against. From what I know Palin is more conservative than Bush is in all areas.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.........

"The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs."​

 

[Bunz]

Well if you take obama on his word and record you don’t need to wait for anything unless you don’t believe his word. It seems reasonable to me that a person could be critical of another person’s political stance even if they had some similarities.

My point is that Palin did nothing of value on the campaign trail but call the kettle black. I understand your abortion analogy, and there is something to it. But she offered zero in terms of substance towards policy, besides drill baby drill.

I find this very funny since this is ALL that Biden was and all the lefties were so happy to have Biden named as VP because he is such a good attack dog, and he could do the attacks while letting the messiah stay above it all. Liberals in general can dish it out but they can not take it, not even a little bit.

Biden as an attack dog? I certainly didnt see that on the campaign trail. I personally was glad that Biden was named VP because he was my favorite originally for the nomination, mostly because of his foreign policy views.

Yeah, I am sure it was just a fluke

I am not sure just yet, and like I said earlier, I am taking a wait and see attitude to learn just what the motivation was/is.

Joe was a very good example of how no one can dare speak against “the one” and not pay a price. This is really funny….you defend what happened to him as though it’s ok. That’s fine maybe to you it is ok. To me and too many others it is not. This man has a right to say what he thinks without mindless drooling obama worshiping followers who work for government to get into his personal records and tell news reporters about it.
You have a right to talk bad about him and you have a right to try and drag Palin and her kids and family through mud, fire or what ever. But government agencies do not have a right to look into his personal records and release them just to defend the messiah.

Id like to know which government agencies you think were involved, outside of the normal channels open to the public. You are making a fairly serious claim, please back it up with some evidence. But the same goes for any of the other right wing claims when it comes to guilt by association. NoObamantion, you must understand that turnabout is fair play.

The fact of the matter is that when it comes to JtP, it was the right who used that term and for a whole week of news and a debate the McCain/Palin camp had thier talking points set up, nothing but a verb, a noun and Joe the Plumber.

 

[Pandora]

Id like to know which government agencies you think were involved, outside of the normal channels open to the public. You are making a fairly serious claim, please back it up with some evidence. But the same goes for any of the other right wing claims when it comes to guilt by association. NoObamantion, you must understand that turnabout is fair play.

Here is one of the people in government who used their power and authority illegally. You are right it is pretty frakin serious; she lost her job over it. But I am sure messiah obama will give her a new one

How you missed this is a puzzle to me, do you only read anti Palin news? This has been a big story since Obama stumbled to Joe’s yard.

Governor Ted Strickland suspended Helen Jones-Kelley for one month without pay for her role in requesting improper searches on Joe "Joe The Plumber" Wurzelbacher. Not exactly a stiff sentence by any means. She should have lost her job.

Full story below

-http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/11/21/helen-joneskelley-suspended-without-pay-for-illegal-joe-the-plumber-searches.php

Disgraced Obama operative Helen Jones-Kelley forced to resign as Director of Ohio Department of Job and Family Services

Full story below

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/...f-ohio-department-of-job-and-family-services/

 

[Pandora]

My point is that Palin did nothing of value on the campaign trail but call the kettle black. I understand your abortion analogy, and there is something to it. But she offered zero in terms of substance towards policy, besides drill baby drill.

Nothing of value to you. that I can believe and accept but she was very valuable to people who are pro life, pro children pro family pro America.

She was the ONLY reason many of us voted for McCain, she was for sure the ONLY reason I sent money.


So you can belittle her all you would like, she was valuable and is valuable to those of us who care about Gun rights, human life and our Country.

Obama has no value IMO, so I guess I can see how you can look at her and find no value.

 

[Pandora]

Biden as an attack dog? I certainly didnt see that on the campaign trail. I personally was glad that Biden was named VP because he was my favorite originally for the nomination, mostly because of his foreign policy views

Serious?

I mean really serious? You never heard anyone say "I hope he picks Biden, he is a great attack dog"

and after the pick, you never heard Biden attack ? Really ? This is a joke.


ok we live on two differnt planets then and its not worth talking about.


I can only even slightly understand your statement this way

if Obama and his team does it, its not an attack........ its only an attack if the evil bad republicans do it.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Serious?

I mean really serious? You never heard anyone say "I hope he picks Biden, he is a great attack dog"

and after the pick, you never heard Biden attack ? Really ? This is a joke.


ok we live on two differnt planets then and its not worth talking about.


I can only even slightly understand your statement this way

if Obama and his team does it, its not an attack........ its only an attack if the evil bad republicans do it.

Well we are on earth, feel free to let us know when you get here....

Biden did not come out as hard as some people thought he would , in his attack dog roll. If you had seen him before, and then watched his campaign with obama you would see that he was not as out in front attacking as he could have been, but I think in part that would have hurt the Obama message, but he did hit hard enough to make sure McCains lies and distortions and record where attacked by him.

 

[Pandora]

Well we are on earth, feel free to let us know when you get here....

Biden did not come out as hard as some people thought he would , in his attack dog roll. If you had seen him before, and then watched his campaign with obama you would see that he was not as out in front attacking as he could have been, but I think in part that would have hurt the Obama message, but he did hit hard enough to make sure McCains lies and distortions and record where attacked by him.

agreed

Biden did not attack as much as people thought he would yet palin hired for the same job did her job and she is attacked for being the attack dog she was hired to be

because biden didnt do it as much as people first thought doesnt change the fact he was a hired attack dog and there is nothing wrong with that, i kinda like the man. Actually i like the man a lot. you made my point of what he was hired to do and though he didnt do it as much as we all thought he would he did do it and was effective. and there was NOTHING wrong with that, as there should be nothing wrong with palin doing the same thing she was hired to do

 

[pocketfullofshells]

agreed

Biden did not attack as much as people thought he would yet palin hired for the same job did her job and she is attacked for being the attack dog she was hired to be

because biden didnt do it as much as people first thought doesnt change the fact he was a hired attack dog and there is nothing wrong with that, i kinda like the man. Actually i like the man a lot. you made my point of what he was hired to do and though he didnt do it as much as we all thought he would he did do it and was effective. and there was NOTHING wrong with that, as there should be nothing wrong with palin doing the same thing she was hired to do

I though she was picked to be qualified and have a clue, not chant slogans....

 

[Pandora]

I though she was picked to be qualified and have a clue, not chant slogans....

Historicly vps have always done the attacking, she did what she was hired to do.

she also brought the conservative base that was draggin thier feet to vote mccain.

biden was picked for the usual attack dog stuff and to make obama voters feel secure in the experience department because obama didnt have much of his own.

Mccain didnt need to get someone with experience because that was not his downfall.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Historicly vps have always done the attacking, she did what she was hired to do.

she also brought the conservative base that was draggin thier feet to vote mccain.

biden was picked for the usual attack dog stuff and to make obama voters feel secure in the experience department because obama didnt have much of his own.

Mccain didnt need to get someone with experience because that was not his downfall.

How about he had to becuse he was old and people felt there was a decent chance he could die in office over hte next 8 years ( and people think in terms of 8 years not just 4)?

 

[Pandora]

How about he had to becuse he was old and people felt there was a decent chance he could die in office over hte next 8 years ( and people think in terms of 8 years not just 4)?

there is also a decent chance obama wont live out his first term but then again the experience is with his vp so its nothing to be concerned about. McCains probem was the experience was at the front of the ticket.

That used to be what matters and the old dope didnt realize the new way is put the experience at the bottom of your ticket. Either way the point of what I am saying is she had a job to do, attack obama and his ideas that she thought were bad for the country and she did her job.