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Authorities: 4 dead in shooting in rural Blair Country, PA

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  1. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    Apparently another whacko got a gun today and went walking (or possibly driving) along a minor road in the boonies several miles outside the small town of Hollidaysburg, PA, shooting people who came by. It was an area far from town, near a small stream, where it was easy to look around and make sure no police were present.

    Cops say that 4 people are dead. When police finally came out from town, three of them were injured, one in a car crash, one by debris, and one who was shot in his bulletproof vest according to authorities.

    If this whacko had been in an area where ordinary people are allowed to carry concealed weapons, he'd probably know that many people don't bother carrying anyway... but that a few probably would. Would the whacko have been as willing go go around shooting people in that situation?

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    http://www.wjactv.com/news/news/sources-1-trooper-shot-another-injured-blair-co/nTcf5/

    4 dead in Blair Co. shooting; 3 troopers injured

    By WJAC Web Staff
    Updated: 12:42 p.m. Friday, Dec. 21, 2012 | Posted: 10:41 a.m. Friday, Dec. 21, 2012

    BLAIR COUNTY, Pa. — The Blair County district attorney said that four people, including the alleged gunman, are dead after a series of shootings along a rural road on Friday.

    The district attorney said the victims are one woman and three men, including the gunman.

    Three Pennsylvania state troopers were injured. One was shot in the chest and had a bulletproof vest on; one was injured in a crash; and one was injured by flying debris. All three troopers are expected to be OK.

    The scene covers several miles and happened on Juniata Valley Road just outside Geeseytown.
    Courtney Brennan of WPXI-TV in Pittsburgh reported that the suspected gunman was “mobile” at one point and went up and down a rural road and shot victims.
     
  2. Openmind

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    Very strange that every gun owner who uses his gun to commit a crime is suddenly labeled a "whacko."
    Actually, it seems that just about anyone who owns a gun can turn out to be a whacko!

    In fact, there is 43 X more chance that he will turn out to be a "whacko" than to end up using his gun for "defense!"
     
  3. cashmcall

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    In the best published study of mass shootings, it was found that 99 had occurred between 1980 and 2010. We know that a number of mass shootings have been stopped by armed citizens. All but one of the “successful” mass shootings occurred in areas where armed citizens are banned. A comparison of mass shootings stopped by 911 response vs mass shootings stopped by citizens indicates that when citizens are able to stop the killing, they prevent 84 percent of the deaths.
    Mass shooting study link
    Mass shootings Stopped by Armed Citizens
    Armed Citizen stopped shooting average 2.3 deaths, 911 response average, 14.3 deaths (84% reduction)
    Definitions and precise numbers vary by researcher, but it is clear that at least 10 percent of mass shootings are stopped by armed citizens. I believe this is the minimum number, the actual number may be much higher, because when a citizen stops an intended mass shooting early, it never becomes a successful mass shooting and may never become a news story of note. For example, in the recent Clackamas Mall shooting, an armed citizen may well have cut the killings short without firing a shot. While we can never be certain, a large percentage of mass shooters stop killing and commit suicide when they are confronted with armed force.
    Clackamas CCW video
    The problem of quantifying mass shootings stopped by armed citizens is exacerbated by the inablility to know the intentions of a dead attacker. Some attackers leave notes, making their intentions clear, as did the Santa Clara shooter in 1999, or the AT&T store shooter in 2010. Some announce their intentions, or otherwise indicate that they intend to kill many people. But these are the rare cases. If an attacker attempts to kill many, but is stopped at the beginning of the attack or after a few shots are fired, it is impossible to know if a mass killing was stopped, or if it was only one of thousands of more ordinary crimes stopped by armed citizens.
    Santa Clara Shooting Link
    AT&T Store shooting Link
    It is clear that the number of mass shootings has decreased as the number of armed citizens has increased. Three decades ago, there were very few citizens with concealed carry permits. Most states did not allow concealed carry. The increase in concealed carry states mostly occurred after 1994, and the bulk of concealed carry permits have been issued after the turn of the new millenium. Even today, less than 2.6% of the population has concealed carry permits, and 30 percent of the population of the country live in states where it is very difficult to obtain a permit, or in the case of Illinois, impossible. The first decade of the millennia showed a remarkable drop in mass shootings, a 44 percent reduction, according to Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections . These numbers are compatible with research published in 1999, that showed a drop in mass shootings with increased concealed carry permits.
    Growth of CCW permits:
    Current number of CCW permits:
    Mass shooting study link
    Mass shootings in gun free zones link
    Link to paper
    While it is too early in this decade to determine if the trend will continue, reducing the number of places that ban armed citizens will likely result in more citizens being able to stop the mass shootings in the early stages, sometimes before any innocents are killed.
    Dean Weingarten
     
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    cashcall, Your own figures show that mass killings in the 2000s was second only to 1990. In Australia there has been no mass killings since all automatic and semi automatic weapons were ban in 12006.. This reduction is not due to people firing back, as all weapons are ban for civilians and police do not use them as first resort. The only solution is to ban weapons. Even Europe has less shotoings because of their bans,
     
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    You demand others provide links to credible sources, but you don't. Why?
     
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    she attempts to ignore her history. following the example of he of the large ears...
     
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    Well you know...she and Big Ears are right and we are wrong...it is just that simple....in their minds.

    The facts and the reality of any issue are meaningless to them.
     
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    So your 'solution' to people abusing their rights is to take the right away from everyone... even people who have not and will never abuse that right.

    Why doesn't this line of reasoning hold true with your other rights?

    For example, lots of people abuse their right to free speech (e.g. Westboro baptist), I don't see you arguing for a ban on free speech as the 'solution' to that problem.

    What would your reaction be if someone tried to ban your right to free speech due to the actions of someone else?
     
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    What makes that 'strange'? Unless you really believe all gun owners are 'whacko' to begin with... :confused:
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    at least BO knows when he is fabricaring things
     
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    Another low insult from you!

    What a prince of a fellow you are! Obviously you have all the qualifications of a fair and balanced moderator!
     
  12. Gipper

    Gipper Well-Known Member

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    The Left elite want our guns so we are defenseless against the tyranny of the state. Sadly many people are duped into believing taking away rights will somehow lead to a safer society. People who think this way are sheep. They want the government to provide safety, when that is impossible.

    These sheeple will believe whatever the elite tell them to do.

    Gary North has a good column...he ends it with the prediction that the end of the nation state is near and that the USA is most likely to witness political de-centralization because of our guns rights....I hope he is right.

     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    its not my fault rhe prez is a habitual liar. note i did not go with pathalogical as he is genuinly deceitful quite intentionally.
     
  14. Openmind

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    Yes dear. Whatever you say, dear.

    "Do not feed the troll. It's like wrestling a pig, you just get covered in shit and the pig likes it."

    One thing we can actually agree on!
     
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    I think I could agree with you on a lot of things...if you would just admit your wrong..
     
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