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AwrIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!! Michael Moore's Goin' After....

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Mr. Shaman, Aug 22, 2009.

  1. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Yeah like all leftist hypocrites, he's attacking capitalism while engaged in capitalism. Dumb as hell, just like your posts Shaman.
     
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    Okay, so Michael Moore is going to expose how Wall Street bought and manipulated the bailout. Awesome, let's start by having him examine the campaign contributions of Wall Street to Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, and Obama. Then he can do the same for the Republican Congressional leaders. Make sure he includes PAC, 527, and individual contributions. Best of all, he will need to focus on the PAC and 527 money that was funneled in from foreign corporations.

    I don't disagree that we got shafted, but instead of letting the facts lead him to the conclusion, he has made a conclusion and will work the facts to prove his point. We used to call that throwing the dart and then drawing the bullseye.
     
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    2, Capitalism, and the Bull that these companies do, are not the same. Last I checked ng theer claimed to be a commie. Maybe its you who is the one who is a Hypocrit, attacking him for a movie, about a issue you actuly agree with him on..the bail outs.
     
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    Um... a bailout isn't capitalism. That's socialism. When the government gives tax money to a corporations, it can't be Capitalism because that requires the risk be on the private company, not the government. If the government assumes the risk, like in a bailout, that's socialism.

    If Micheal Moron had any intellectually honesty, or any intelligence at all, the movie would be called "Socialism" and he'd have the exact same intro, only talking about how great it was government was giving away our tax money.

    Instead, he completely lies, and implies that the bailouts were capitalism.

    If anyone is being a hypocrite, it's Micheal Moron. He is constantly in favor of government running business. He should be more in favor of bailouts than anyone according to his own expressed views in support of socialism.
     
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    Who better to keep the 'fires burning' to get the truth out of the mess that was fostered onto all of us with that 'RUSH TO SAVE OUR ECONOMY' that was perpetrated upon AMERICA last fall!!!

    Good 4 Michael Moore or anyone else that will take the "BIG DOGS ON", enough of those elected officials covering up for each other (BOTH SIDES of the isle) ;)
     
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    Well if we go down that road with you then obviously ALL TAX BREAKS, TAX SHELTERS AND TAX LOOPHOLES for business is CORPORATE WELFARE (socialism) and must be stopped immediately.

    But it's not considered socialism because you do these give aways to produce a certain desired public effect.

    The truth is neither 100% pure Capitalism is good nor is 100% Socialism. 100%unregulated Capitalism brings us Robber Barron days almost like Nobles & Serfs in the Feudal System... and 100% Socialism slows competition & innovation.

    But a mix works better. A regulated Capitalist system along with government programs that fills the gaps that a society needs.
     
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    You have been sipping the KoolAid...realize you had to say "unregulated" capitalism. Of course there needs to be regulation since it is impossible to have a true "free market", but socialism is a phantom promise.

    There is no such thing as corporate socialism. When you talk about corporate shelters and loopholes it is nothing more than manipulation of economic gains for the favored few. I agree let's eliminate corporate tax breaks. A matter of fact, let's stop corporate tax. Corporate tax is just a mirage anyway. It's passed through to the customer and it ends up hurting the people who can afford it the least.

    Socialism is when you take property and wealth from some and distribute it to others. Every truly socialist program has failed or is failing. Don't confuse socialist programs with a build out of infrastructure or military defense. These are a very different because they are providing a service for a cost instead of redistributing services and $ from one individual to others.
     
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    Finland, Norway, Sweden, France, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, etc. All "failed"?
     
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    I'm sorry, I was referencing the United States when I suggested the failure of Socialist Programs.

    There is one thing to remember when using European countries as a reference point around government programs. They have all lived under monarchy, dictatorship, or fascist rule. The U.S. has not. The people of Europe are much more tolerant about having their personal freedoms nibbled at because, in their lifetime, most of these people have had them taken away completely.

    Our progress is based on our ownership of property and our ability to have no real ceiling keeping us from success. The countries you name all have or have had hierarchies which prevent entrepreneurial growth and expansion of wealth and prosperity. Where would technology and healthcare be if there was no Silicon Valley or Research Triangle Park?
     
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    Wow....another "conservative" mind-reader!!!

    How odd you folks never channeled Lil' Dumbya (back, when he had no-time-for-terrorism), and, let the rest-of-us-know what HE was "thinking".​
     
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    I don't suppose it's gonna do any good to ask to see your "proof" Moore is in favor of government running business, right??

    :rolleyes:
     
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    I'M still tryin' to figure-out all o' those Republicans who campaigned against Throwing Money At All Of Our Problems, right before The Idiot Son threw all o' that ca$h at the banks....with zero-stipulations.

    I guess that'd make that effort a......Gift?​
     
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    That's ludicrous.

    What if I don't want a dime of my money going to defense. (hypothetically)They tax me and others adamantly opposed to this expense and redistribute our wealth to a program full of rampant cost abuses... put it there anyway against my will. Because it's established as important to all... that's a socialist program.

    And there is a whole lot of Corporate Welfare. And if you took the tax on Corporations away they wouldn't cut prices they'd simply look at that as a new windfall and take more profits.

    Furthermore we've already been through this 100% Capitalism crap with the Robber Barrons. Also had a run at it with the produce companies and the absolutely positively horrendous & deadly ways truck drivers were treated by their monopoly on business which led to the creation of the Teamsters Union.

    There has to be a mix of private business & government programs. There has to be the safety nets in society that private business would never provide.
     
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    Yeah they loved Bush didn't they... the one who grew government & spending more than any other President before him.:rolleyes:

    But desperately needed Health Insurance Reform... oh hell no!:rolleyes:
     
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