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Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Rjohnson, Mar 19, 2016.

  1. Rjohnson

    Rjohnson New Member

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    1200.jpg I don't trust Hillary Clinton one bit because of the allegations that have come out against her. I dread the future if she becomes President. But I do trust Bernie Sanders. I believe that he can be a great President.
    Many years ago Bernie opposed segregation. Congress passed his first piece of legislation for the National Program of Cancer Registries. Because of Bernie's efforts, all 50 states now run registries to help cancer researchers gain important insight.
    Sanders has been re-elected to serve eight terms as a Congressman by the people in Vermont. Bernie Sanders has integrity and that is the kind of President that I want.
     
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    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    Sanders greatest problem is that people see the word "socialism", and because of the constant denigration of the term, fear strikes at their hearts. The country was founded on a form of socialism called the "social contract". One of the ways that the Founders determined to prevent the rise of the aristocratic class was to tax only the wealthy. Now the idea is to tax everyone but the wealthy. And then they claim to know the history of the country.

    http://www.constitution.org/tp/agjustice.htm
     
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    While I do agree that Sanders can be a good president the odds are stacked against him and it's obvious now that he isn't getting the nomination.

    Though he knew Hillary would get the Democrats nomination he has put up a good fight and so popular were his ideas that Clinton had no option but to "steal" some of them. That's all his campaign achieved. It's good enough IMHO.
     
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    Similar to Trump he started listening to citizens instead of lobbyists. HRC won't do anything differently were she to be elected but she has had to pretend to care.
    Trump cannot be bought which terrifies the party. He will change things because of this when he us elected.

    If anyone else is elected things will change because citizens will revolt across the spectrum.
     
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    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    Sanders message hasn't changed in 30 years. It is just that more are listening to him. Trump is an ass who will say, or do, anything to get elected. If that should happen you will wish Hillary had been instead.

    And I have already shown you how Trump can be bought. You just refuse to see it even as many refuse to see his lies.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-foundation-charity_us_56aa90bae4b00b033aae659f

    The Trump Foundation, which was founded in 1987, received more than $12 million in contributions from 2001 to 2014, the years for which federal tax records are publicly available. Trump provided less than a quarter of that — and since 2008, he hasn’t given the Trump Foundation a dime.

    Instead, the foundation’s money has come from people and companies that do business with Trump or want something from him. In 2006, People magazine gave the foundation $150,000. Trump gave the magazine exclusive photos of his newborn son, Barron, in April of that year. NBC Universal gave the foundation $10,000 in 2007 and another $500,000 in 2012. Trump’s popular reality shows “The Apprentice” and “The Celebrity Apprentice” aired on NBC from 2004 to 2015. And in 2011, Comedy Central gave the foundation $400,000 as an appearance fee for the billionaire’s participation in The Comedy Central Roast of Donald Trump.

    Most of the Trump Foundation donors made only one contribution between 2001 and 2014 — and most of them don’t want to talk about it. Of the more than two dozen donors who have contributed since 2001, just four responded to questions from The Huffington Post about their donations. But like People, NBC and Comedy Central, most were working with Trump or received something from him around the same time they donated:
     
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    And non profit often put up plaques noting donor by way if saying thanks and a but of free PR. If you think this is influence peddling of a political nature you are badly mistaken.
     
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    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    But he isn't a politician, remember? To say it is not influence peddling means you did not read, or comprehend, the article. If you had read the entire article the first example should have proven that to you:

    "In 2005, Norwegian Cruise Lines gave the Trump Foundation $100,000. A spokeswoman said the money was in lieu of paying an appearance fee to Trump’s third wife. Melania Trump attended the christening of Norwegian’s newest cruise ship in November of that year, and the company was featured prominently on an episode of “The Apprentice.” "
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    Mutually beneficial advertising is not influence peddling. Labron James wears a certain brand of sneekers for his NBA games in exchange for free shoes and lots of $. The shoe company sells more shoes.
    Barney Frank ignoring irregularities at Fannie in exchange for political contributions and a job for his boyfriend is.
    But while you see these as the same, the law does not.
     
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    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    LOL, so, if it is legal it is then moral, and not "peddling". Is that your claim?

    Your question was can Trump be bought. Obviously, if one gives him enough money he can be. I would say LeBron James was "bought", and paid for. Otherwise he not would be advertising any brand of sneakers. As to Frank, was he prosecuted for anything?
     
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    Name a politician that has not proposed unsupportable policies? None of Trumps plans are even close to d=feasible, yet many apparently don't care. Cruz? "Going to see the sand glow"? The coward never served when he could have.
     
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    yup. he believes his schtick but it cant work and will never go anywhere in congress.
     
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    Yeah, I get what you're saying. My perspective is that I don't see a candidate with a viable plan. I don't think any of the options on the table are good. Bernie might be better than Trump as far as ideals, but I don't think either one of them has any solid plans that would be feasible.
     
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    Study history. The Founders wanted the rich to pay all of the taxes, hated corporations, and provided for the poor. Until Kennedy the tax rate on the wealthy was 90%, and then lower under Reagan, and Bush. Kennedy got away with it since we had an expanding economy. Reagan, and Bush, screwed the country because both declared "war" on the middle class, and supported corporatism, and globalism. Historically speaking, the concept of a higher tax on the wealthy was to promote investment in the American economy, and the American people. Now we have China, Saudi Arabia, etc., buying up America. And we are paying for it through the trade deficits.
     
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    While Sanders is a very socially sensitive candidate, it's going to be very hard to get US citizens to see socialism as something other than sanctioned robbery or communism.
    The fact that the social services rely on a distrusted goverment system doen't help in building a citizen-goverment trusting relationship.
    This distaste toward socialism is partly to blame on the media and the information war that they waged against the viewers to enable the Reagan and Bush tax reforms.

    Once Obama made a speech addressing class-war, a very real phenomenon in the US. The media jumped him so fervently that he was advised to never use that keyword again in his speeches.
     
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