Best Democratic candidate for president?

So for all those who said that Obama was not qualified given his short time in the Senate and said he had done noting...Rand has done what? has no bills passed of any value, nothing done in the senate..Did nothing at a state leval ( unlike Obama had done for years in IL)...Obama was Harvard grad, tough constitutional law ...Rand is a Eye doctor who certified himself.....Wait He has a Dad named Ron...so that's his meal ticket....

And as a footnote, I was against Obama in the Primaries for the reasons of not experienced enough in my view..Also I know that you can get alot done in the Senate without being the one who has your name on the bill....So I ask this only of those who made the same argument..
 
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So for all those who said that Obama was not qualified given his short time in the Senate and said he had done noting...Rand has done what? has no bills passed of any value, nothing done in the senate..Did nothing at a state leval ( unlike Obama had done for years in IL)...Obama was Harvard grad, tough constitutional law ...Rand is a Eye doctor who certified himself.....Wait He has a Dad named Ron...so that's his meal ticket....

And as a footnote, I was against Obama in the Primaries for the reasons of not experienced enough in my view..Also I know that you can get alot done in the Senate without being the one who has your name on the bill....So I ask this only of those who made the same argument..

I do not believe there are any declared Republican candidates that I would view as qualified for the position.
 
I do not believe there are any declared Republican candidates that I would view as qualified for the position.
I would agree, though out of the 2 at least Rand is a Adult...I doubt any one like Huntsman last year will even try. He was the one I liked out of all last year....not that I agreed with his views much....but very qualified smart and not a crazy person so of course he could no get more then 2% of Republicans. But Trump and bachmann could....
 
Bernie Sanders is the only person running as a Democrat that I would vote for and there is NO one running as a Republican that I would vote for. There is not a single Republican who can honestly run on a conservative based platform. They are all either Neocons, Hawks, Corporatists, or a nasty smelling combination of the three.

So far, this is the sorriest lineup I have seen in my entire life. The thing is this. I see many of you talking about how candidates like Warren are not viable because they are too radical. Radical? Perhaps you don't really understand the meaning of radical. Warren is a "populist". In other words she promotes policies that the general public support...not special interests or minority based polices. Notice: I consider the "rich" a minority with WAY too much power in our political system which was designed with one person, one vote in mind.

So just to educate you brothers and sisters....we have no "radicals" running for president this time around.....just a couple populists and a bunch of corporatists.
 
If Sanders or Warren get the nomination Republicans will probably win at least 40 states.

As to the claim that our system no longer resembles one person, one vote - what state are you referencing that allows people to vote more than once?
 
If Sanders or Warren get the nomination Republicans will probably win at least 40 states.

As to the claim that our system no longer resembles one person, one vote - what state are you referencing that allows people to vote more than once?


Umm.....where do you live? I have not lived in a state in this esteemed nation of ours that was not ran by the rich and controlled by special interests. So yes, money equals votes no matter who wins the elections.

Have you read the verified, scientifically based research that shows that congress goes along with what the rich and connected suggest 98% of the time even if those desires are not beneficial to nor supported by the general public? This is not belly busting or propaganda....this is historical FACT. Money runs this nation, not voting.

And as far as the Republican side goes......the ONLY republican candidate any of my conservative friends are interested in hearing more from is Ben Carson. The rest of the lineup look too much like "the usual suspects", of which managed to alienate the majority of the world against us and cost us our respect around the world during the last 20 years starting with Shrub's daddy.

I'm not so keen on Warren anyway because my personal opinion is she is bought and paid for....just don't know by who yet. But Sanders enjoys bipartisan support in his state and has some of the best ideas for turning this nation around that I have ever read except from some of his green party kin. I certainly don't expect to see anything out of a Republican except more pontification on the inherent worthiness of the wealthy and how they need so much more than they already have even if it is as the expense of the rest us.

And all this was started by polices from the "God" of the Republican party in the 20th century ol' Ronnie Reagan......a fool if there ever was one. Good actor....horrible politician. He didn't have a clue what special interests and neocon think tanks were talking him into supporting.

Don't get me started or I'll start breathing the fire of truth down on all of you.
 
Umm.....where do you live? I have not lived in a state in this esteemed nation of ours that was not ran by the rich and controlled by special interests. So yes, money equals votes no matter who wins the elections.

Have you read the verified, scientifically based research that shows that congress goes along with what the rich and connected suggest 98% of the time even if those desires are not beneficial to nor supported by the general public? This is not belly busting or propaganda....this is historical FACT. Money runs this nation, not voting.

I asked what state currently exists that has a system other than "one person, one vote"? You want to to argue that money wins elections, but the simple fact is that a credible, viable candidate can raise money. Those that cannot for the most part get beat. Not because money controlled the election, but because the money got behind the viable candidates in the race.

And as far as the Republican side goes......the ONLY republican candidate any of my conservative friends are interested in hearing more from is Ben Carson. The rest of the lineup look too much like "the usual suspects", of which managed to alienate the majority of the world against us and cost us our respect around the world during the last 20 years starting with Shrub's daddy.

Ben Carson is a good example of a Sanders type candidate. He would be crushed in a general election.

I'm not so keen on Warren anyway because my personal opinion is she is bought and paid for....just don't know by who yet. But Sanders enjoys bipartisan support in his state and has some of the best ideas for turning this nation around that I have ever read except from some of his green party kin. I certainly don't expect to see anything out of a Republican except more pontification on the inherent worthiness of the wealthy and how they need so much more than they already have even if it is as the expense of the rest us.

And all this was started by polices from the "God" of the Republican party in the 20th century ol' Ronnie Reagan......a fool if there ever was one. Good actor....horrible politician. He didn't have a clue what special interests and neocon think tanks were talking him into supporting.

Don't get me started or I'll start breathing the fire of truth down on all of you.

People getting wealthy is not at the "expense" of the rest of us. Everyone can do well in this country if they work hard to earn it. The class warfare crap thrown out by the likes of Sanders and Warren is pure nonsense.
 
I asked what state currently exists that has a system other than "one person, one vote"? You want to to argue that money wins elections, but the simple fact is that a credible, viable candidate can raise money. Those that cannot for the most part get beat. Not because money controlled the election, but because the money got behind the viable candidates in the race.



Ben Carson is a good example of a Sanders type candidate. He would be crushed in a general election.



People getting wealthy is not at the "expense" of the rest of us. Everyone can do well in this country if they work hard to earn it. The class warfare crap thrown out by the likes of Sanders and Warren is pure nonsense.


No....no it is not. I'll give you one good example. Walmart. Those folk are so far up the government's butt I'm surprised we haven't heard some screams of pain...or ecstasy...take your pick. No matter how "hard" those small businesses worked after Walmart came to town with their "low" prices and products from regions where employees are paid by the penny...not the dollar, nearly all of them shut down. they simple cannot compete with Walmart's economics of scale nor are their any protections for them to promote competition. So don't give me that crap about everyone can succeed if they work hard crap. Even the middle class sees that for the nonsense it is now.

Now no state has a system with something other than one person, one vote and you know that. But you prove my own words by saying money gets behind the viable candidate. And generally speaking, the "viable" candidate is the one who will vote big money's interest at the expense of the rest of our interest. Even a cave man can see that is has been happening more and more often during the past decade or two. It is almost to the point now where the will openly admit that "we the people" don't matter unless we come with checkbook in hand. I'm beginning to think that not only did you drink the Kool-aid but that you also bought some stock in the company. lol

Carson is quite a bit different than Sanders actually. He beckons back to an earlier era of Republican who realizes that money has to circulate among the majority rather than sit in the hands of the minority for an economy to be healthy. He believes that the wealthy serve a valuable purpose and must be coddled a little to much for me but at least he is a step in the right direction for the Republican party to get away from tea freaks and the religious right fanatics.

Sanders on the other hand. The man would offer basic income if congress would support it, something Carson would never do. Sander's is a Socialist Democrat forced to run as a Democrat to get any attention in this two party nation of ours.....one that is in dire need of a third party with the balls to stand up and say what needs to be said without worrying what big money thinks.

Generally speaking, I don't go with the candidate who raises the most money. I go with the one who has the best ideas. I'm an outlier in that aspect in that the majority will vote for whatever puke is pushed on them through the propaganda we call advertising in polite company.

I will say this. Out of all the pukes who are running for the Republicans, Rand Paul does have a few good ones. But the man scares me for reasons I can't really identify. Its like subconsciously I feel he is an axe murderer just waiting to get his hands on the nukes and then its party time. I'm not making a joke here. The man gives me the willies and I ain't talking about Clinton either. :)
 
No....no it is not. I'll give you one good example. Walmart. Those folk are so far up the government's butt I'm surprised we haven't heard some screams of pain...or ecstasy...take your pick. No matter how "hard" those small businesses worked after Walmart came to town with their "low" prices and products from regions where employees are paid by the penny...not the dollar, nearly all of them shut down. they simple cannot compete with Walmart's economics of scale nor are their any protections for them to promote competition. So don't give me that crap about everyone can succeed if they work hard crap. Even the middle class sees that for the nonsense it is now.

Working hard to succeed does not mean you can simply open up shop and never have to compete in the marketplace. Your example simply doesn't make any sense.

Now no state has a system with something other than one person, one vote and you know that. But you prove my own words by saying money gets behind the viable candidate. And generally speaking, the "viable" candidate is the one who will vote big money's interest at the expense of the rest of our interest. Even a cave man can see that is has been happening more and more often during the past decade or two. It is almost to the point now where the will openly admit that "we the people" don't matter unless we come with checkbook in hand. I'm beginning to think that not only did you drink the Kool-aid but that you also bought some stock in the company. lol

As you state - "Now no state has a system with something other than one person, one vote and you know that." That being the bottom line and the system that remains in place, the rest of your rantings about special interests ignoring the will of the people doesn't fly.

Carson is quite a bit different than Sanders actually. He beckons back to an earlier era of Republican who realizes that money has to circulate among the majority rather than sit in the hands of the minority for an economy to be healthy. He believes that the wealthy serve a valuable purpose and must be coddled a little to much for me but at least he is a step in the right direction for the Republican party to get away from tea freaks and the religious right fanatics.

Sanders on the other hand. The man would offer basic income if congress would support it, something Carson would never do. Sander's is a Socialist Democrat forced to run as a Democrat to get any attention in this two party nation of ours.....one that is in dire need of a third party with the balls to stand up and say what needs to be said without worrying what big money thinks.

A basic income is a horrible idea - but that is a debate for another time. I generally find candidates that hold views that lack much support are the ones to complain that they are unable to compete with the candidates that can raise money. Candidates can raise money because their ideas resonate with people and those people and groups fund their campaigns.

Generally speaking, I don't go with the candidate who raises the most money. I go with the one who has the best ideas.

In many cases - these can be the same candidate.

I'm an outlier in that aspect in that the majority will vote for whatever puke is pushed on them through the propaganda we call advertising in polite company.

So your real complaint is that people are stupid?

I will say this. Out of all the pukes who are running for the Republicans, Rand Paul does have a few good ones. But the man scares me for reasons I can't really identify. Its like subconsciously I feel he is an axe murderer just waiting to get his hands on the nukes and then its party time. I'm not making a joke here. The man gives me the willies and I ain't talking about Clinton either. :)

I am a fairly strong Republican - but no one currently in the field will be getting my vote.
 
Working hard to succeed does not mean you can simply open up shop and never have to compete in the marketplace. Your example simply doesn't make any sense.



As you state - "Now no state has a system with something other than one person, one vote and you know that." That being the bottom line and the system that remains in place, the rest of your rantings about special interests ignoring the will of the people doesn't fly.



A basic income is a horrible idea - but that is a debate for another time. I generally find candidates that hold views that lack much support are the ones to complain that they are unable to compete with the candidates that can raise money. Candidates can raise money because their ideas resonate with people and those people and groups fund their campaigns.



In many cases - these can be the same candidate.



So your real complaint is that people are stupid?



I am a fairly strong Republican - but no one currently in the field will be getting my vote.


Gotcha Rob. Recently Carson mentioned basic income as something to be looked into although he didn't see how it would work. I'm telling you Carson and Sanders would be a dream ticket that would likely bring the best of both parties together to work on something that would be better than either alone.

As for those old world Republicans you speak of.....well if those extinct critters are coming back I hope they reproduce fast. I used to be Republican at that point and time. It was not until they abandoned their principles to take a large one from the rich up their collective arses that I moved on.

I personally believe that basic income is inevitable. Within the next hundred years a full 75% of the people on this planet will NOT be needed for the workforce. They are not going to take standing in squalor at the bottom of the Mount Olympus of the ones who are needed without putting up a fight that could bring the whole world down. And quite frankly there are not enough psychopaths in the world that would support killing them just because they are not needed. As automation moves forward we will have more than enough productivity to offer basic income to all as well as profit to the elite.
 
Bernie Saunders is also a great candidate. So far he and Hilary are the ones who have thrown their hats in the ring on the Democrat side. Now can we find a decent one on the Republican side. Seriously, if Hilary gets this and from the looks of it she will all I will hear is how she got it because she's a woman not because she was the best candidate. Which I am sorry to say to all of you right now she is, and the only other viable candidate is in the same party. Sorry, not the least bit impress with what the GOP has come up with so far.
 
Is it a given that the Democrats will run Hillary? What is the alternative? Does she have a chance of winning the general election?


Who would you like to see run?
She might make it if it comes down to her and Jeb. If its between her and anyone else at all I don't think she stands a chance. I am voting for Bernie, though.
 
Hillary is as dishonest as they come. That's what we need in government, another crook.
 
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Hillary is as dishonest as they come. That's what we need in government, another crook.
I agree 100%. The problem is none of them are exactly honest and upstanding. I'm a liberal considering voting for Carly, just because she isn't a politician.
 
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