Buffet Rule

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"Washington has repeated nearly every economic policy mistake of the 1930s in recent years, so why not repeat one of the bigger blunders of the 1960s too? We refer to President Obama's proposal [Monday] for a new 'Buffett Rule' to raise taxes on Americans earning more than $1 million a year. ... There's one small problem: The entire Buffett Rule premise is false.... In 2008, the last year for which such data are available, the IRS reports that those who made more than $1 million in adjusted gross income paid an average income tax rate of 23.3%. That's slightly lower than the 24.1% rate paid by those making between $500,000 and $1 million, probably because the richest are like Mr. Buffett and earn more from capital gains and dividends. ... [N]early all millionaires still paid a rate that is more than twice the 8.9% average rate paid by those earning between $50,000 and $100,000, and more than three times the 7.2% average rate paid by those earning less than $50,000. ... [T]he real point of Mr. Obama's Buffett Rule and his latest deficit proposal isn't tax justice or good tax policy. It is all about re-election politics. Down in the polls and facing a sullen liberal base, Mr. Obama wants to rally the left behind him, and nothing fires them up like the pretense that government is sticking it to the rich. Mr. Obama is picking a tax fight that he apparently believes will carry him to re-election next year." --The Wall Street Journal

Does ANYONE believe this crap? I mean really....do Dems and libs believe the BS BO is spouting? It is so transparent in its stupidity and is completely fraudulent.

Secondly, it has absolutely no chance of passing Congress even with Dems.

Will libs really rally behind BO based on a lie? Are they that easily fooled?
 
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Buffet has one foot in the grave. He certainly didn't worry about not paying taxes when he was young enough to have a life. Lol.

This is all about him buying a name in history and American law. Do you think he worked out a good deal for the Gates Foundation relative to any future taxes? Oh yeah, both the foundation and trust are charitable organizations that...don't pay taxes.
 
Funniest part about the new "Buffett Rule", which raises Income Tax Rates on the highest incomes... is that it doesn't raise Buffett's taxes at all. The White House couldn't even get that part right.

Most of Buffett's income. comes from Capital Gains. And those are taxed separately from the rest of income.

Since Obama isn't raising Capital Gains Taxes (yet), the amount Buffett pays under this so-called "Buffett Rule", doesn't go up at all.

It should have been called the "Everybody But Buffet" Rule.
 
Funniest part about the new "Buffett Rule", which raises Income Tax Rates on the highest incomes... is that it doesn't raise Buffett's taxes at all. The White House couldn't even get that part right.

Most of Buffett's income. comes from Capital Gains. And those are taxed separately from the rest of income.

Since Obama isn't raising Capital Gains Taxes (yet), the amount Buffett pays under this so-called "Buffett Rule", doesn't go up at all.

It should have been called the "Everybody But Buffet" Rule.

Exactly.

Ordinary income ( wages, salaries, tips, commissions, bonuses, etc) has always been taxed at a higher rate than income from capital gains. Usually funds used to generate capital gains were previously taxed as ordinary income when they were earned. BO is not proposing that the capital gains rate be raised to equal the tax rate on ordinary income.

"This is not class warfare. It's math," Obama declared....no BO, it's class warfare...LIAR!!!

Key features of Obama's plan:

_$1.5 trillion in new revenue, which would include about $800 billion over 10 years from repealing the Bush-era tax rates for couples making more than $250,000. It also would place limits on deductions for wealthy filers and end certain corporate loopholes and subsidies for oil and gas companies.

_$580 billion in cuts in mandatory benefit programs, including $248 billion in Medicare and $72 billion in Medicaid and other health programs. Other mandatory benefit programs include farm subsidies and federal employee retirement benefits. The plan would reduce federal workers' paychecks by 1.2 percent over three years, saving the government about $21 billion over 10 years.

_$430 billion in savings from lower interest payment on the national debt.

On average, however, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more in taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center. This year, households making more than $1 million will pay, on average, 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes. A household making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay 15 percent of its income in federal taxes, which includes income taxes and Social Security payroll taxes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/19/obama-deficit-plan-buffet-rule-taxes-medicare_n_969403.html

Even the whacky Huffpo knows BO is a liar!!!

These class warfare tactics used by the left for decades are so ridiculous. How could any thinking American fall for it?
 
Exactly.

Ordinary income ( wages, salaries, tips, commissions, bonuses, etc) has always been taxed at a higher rate than income from capital gains. Usually funds used to generate capital gains were previously taxed as ordinary income when they were earned. BO is not proposing that the capital gains rate be raised to equal the tax rate on ordinary income.

"This is not class warfare. It's math," Obama declared....no BO, it's class warfare...LIAR!!!



Even the whacky Huffpo knows BO is a liar!!!

These class warfare tactics used by the left for decades are so ridiculous. How could any thinking American fall for it?



See, you have to read for comprehension!
Your quote talks about taxes paid on INCOME, but totally leaves out wealth.

You see, a large percentage of the very wealthy get only a PORTION of their wealth from work income. . .but a MUCH larger portion from dividends, royalties, etc. .

What is really funny is to hear you, little peanut who should never even hope to enter the mansions of the wealthy, defend the status quo (in fact, it has been demonstrated it's not even a status quo, but a trend of redistribution from the poor and middle class to the wealthy) solely because you hate Obama and you want to hang on with your little friends!

Logic is not your forte, is it?
 
You see, a large percentage of the very wealthy get only a PORTION of their wealth from work income. . .but a MUCH larger portion from dividends, royalties, etc. .

That's your complaint? Because you have the right to judge how someone else should acquire wealth? Want to explain how THAT is what America was based on?

What a whiner.
 
See, you have to read for comprehension!
Your quote talks about taxes paid on INCOME, but totally leaves out wealth.

You see, a large percentage of the very wealthy get only a PORTION of their wealth from work income. . .but a MUCH larger portion from dividends, royalties, etc. .

What is really funny is to hear you, little peanut who should never even hope to enter the mansions of the wealthy, defend the status quo (in fact, it has been demonstrated it's not even a status quo, but a trend of redistribution from the poor and middle class to the wealthy) solely because you hate Obama and you want to hang on with your little friends!

Logic is not your forte, is it?

My Sweet Closedmind, I really have no clue what the hell you are talking about. And, I suspect you have no clue either.

Do you realize that I discussed the difference between ordinary income and income from capital gains in my prior post? I fear you do not know the difference. Capital gains are dividends. Do you know this?

I know a lib like you thinks you benefit if the wealthy's taxes are increase, but as in all things, you are wrong AGAIN.
 
I know a lib like you thinks you benefit if the wealthy's taxes are increase, but as in all things, you are wrong AGAIN

All they care about is that someone else (you know a fellow American that they claim to care about, as long as the person is gay, not white or a Christian) doesn't have what they don't have. It's called sour grapes.
 
See, you have to read for comprehension!
Your quote talks about taxes paid on INCOME, but totally leaves out wealth.

You see, a large percentage of the very wealthy get only a PORTION of their wealth from work income. . .but a MUCH larger portion from dividends, royalties, etc. .

Income includes both earned income and income from investments like dividends, royalties, etc. All those things are taxed and have been discussed well enough on this thread.

Wealth on the ether hand is the accumulation of things with value over time. For example, the artwork one bought 10 years ago is wealth. No one get taxed on wealth with the exception of real estate taxes.

If you had merely been wrong that is all I would have said. But you were quite insulting toward whoever the other poster was and it is quite ironic that you were insulting that person because you thought they were wrong.
 
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The truth...can you accept it?

Warren Buffett is almost definitely lying about the tax rate of his secretary. Now, it’s possible to pay any tax rate if you really want to, by paying more than is required. You can just send in a check. Since Warren apparently refuses to do that, let us dismiss that option for his secretary. The typical person making between 50-75k, according to this IRS tax data, pays an effective rate of about 14%. 14% is less than 30%. Even adding on payroll tax, it’s nowhere near 30%. CBO data, including payroll taxes, shows that someone making about $64,000 per year pays a total effective rate of around 14.3%. We asked an accountant to run the numbers in general for someone like Buffett’s secretary. The results: if they were single, 14%. If married, 7.6%.
Buffett is comparing two different taxes. One is a tax on income, one is a tax on investments. They are two different taxes on two different things. Want another scandal? Warren Buffett pays less in sales tax than his secretary does in income tax. We better write another law.


Warren Buffett has already been taxed on that money. Here’s an oversimplification to explain what I mean.
You earn $100 in salary.

TAX #1: Uncle Sam takes $35, leaving you with $65.

You then invest that $65, and that investment earns 10% or $6.50.

TAX #2: Of that new $6.50, Uncle Sam takes another $1.

Now, add up the earnings: the original $100 + $6.50 = $106.50.

And, add up the taxes: $35 + $1 = $36.

On $106.50 in earnings, you were taxed $36, or 33.8%,– about double the rate Warren Buffet claims he’s paying. This gets more complicated with margin, outside investment, and a million other variables, but this how it works in general. (Dividends are worse: you get taxed on initial income, the company gets taxed on their profits, then when they give you a slice, it gets taxed again.)

Buffett is an exception to the rule of the mega rich. While he earns around 90% of his income at the lower rate through investments, the typical person who earns more than $10 million per year only earns about 38% of their cash at that rate. Sure, someone who is mega rich is an exception to the rule. But, Buffett is an exception to that exception. Basing a rule on his experience is not sober policy making.
Buffett’s secretary is an exception to the rule of secretaries. She/he makes $60,000 per year. While I’m not exactly blown away by Buffett’s generosity in his pay-scale either, the average secretary makes about $33,000 per year. Instead of the 14% tax rate of Buffett’s secretary, the typical secretary pays more like 10%. This information makes something like this, even dumber than you previously thought.
Rich people pay far more than the middle class in both total dollars and percentage terms. Don’t take my word for it, listen to the Associated Press: “This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes and payroll taxes…Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.” Those numbers aren’t even close to what Buffett is claiming. Did I mention he is lying? (Quick side note—a tax is nothing but a fee you pay to the government to run the structure that maintains society. In theory, each person has equal access to government services. Even in Buffett’s (false) example, he’s claiming that he pays over $8 million, and his secretary pays $18,000 for the privilege of living here. Does that really sound so unfair even if it was true? (It is not.))
Rich people already carry far more of the burden than the poor or the middle class. The top 10% of tax payers carry 73% of the income tax burden. The bottom 51% of tax payers carry 0%.
The Buffett rule has nothing to do with wealth. The “problem” Obama is describing is a “problem” with professional investors, not rich people. To get a rate of 17.7% on your income as Warren Buffett, you have to earn roughly 90% of your earnings from investments. But, you don’t have to make tens of millions for this to happen. Anyone who makes 90% of their money from investments could theoretically pay right around 15% whether they earn $50,000 or $50,000,000. Yet, Obama just keeps talking about rich people. This is one way to be completely sure this is really about class warfare, not tax policy.
Obama’s rule doesn’t actually target people like Buffett. Forget everything we’ve talked about here for a second and strip things down to the core. The claims about secretaries are just false. But, in theory, someone making $1 million could complain that he pays a rate that is slightly higher than someone making $11 million. Those 7 figure earners are victims to the tyranny of the 8 figure earners! Cry for them! In other words, the really rich get slightly screwed as compared to the really REALLY rich. But Obama’s rule, just targets anyone making $1 million or more—the rule actually “screws” the people being “screwed” most by the “problem.”
The rate on investments should be lower than the normal rate…for many reasons (see #3 and #10 for example). But in addition to those: when I go to work, I receive a salary. When someone earning their living through investments goes to work—they may LOSE money. It’s wonderful to focus on the ultra-rare person like Warren Buffett who is so successful that he/she is able to acquire tens of billions of dollars. But the average person who invests might just bet wrong and get hammered. When he/she bets right, it makes sense that he/she gets taxed at a lower rate. They’re playing a different game than you and I, and therefore pay a different tax.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/eleve-ways-warren-buffett-is-lying-about-warren-buffett/
 
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