Buh-BYE, Gitmo!!!!

[BigRob]

Yeah....let's avoid The Big Picture. It's so-much-more "convenient" (for "conservatives"), to do so.

If you are unable to stay on topics that you bring up, what is the point of talking to you?

 

[rushhannity]

This country is too politically correct now.. I say take em out and hang em.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

This country is too politically correct now.. I say take em out and hang em.

Yeah.....they shoulda watched what they were READING, huh?

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"Binyam Mohamed, a former UK asylum seeker, admitted to having read the ‘instructions’ after allegedly being beaten, hung up by his wrists for a week and having a gun held to his head in a Pakistani jail.

It was this confession that apparently convinced the CIA that they were holding a top Al Qaeda terrorist."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

NOW we know what Lil' Dumbya was trying to HIDE!!!​

"The documents, obtained by the ACLU under a Freedom of Information Act request, contain a report by Vice Admiral Albert T. Church, who was tapped to conduct a comprehensive review of Defense Department interrogation operations."

"On his first full day in office, President Barack Obama signed an executive order and two presidential memoranda heralding what he called a "new era of openness." Announcing a Presidential Memorandum on the Freedom of Information Act to reestablish a presumption of disclosure for information requested under FOIA, President Obama said that "every agency and department should know that this administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information, but those who seek to make it known."

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[BigRob]

Shaman, does this include giving intelligence to terrorists?

Guess what. When President Obama ordered that GITMO be closed, he basically ensured that those held there would get trials in US court. Under US law, you have the right to face your accuser. Under the CIPA rules (which apply in Federal Court) the government is forced to hand over classified info to the defense, or they will be unable to use it in the trial.

Guess what that means, all the terrorists are firing their lawyers and now legally demanding that they be given this info. (According to the law, we have to give it to them or not use it).

So you tell me, what is worse? Giving classified intelligence to terrorists so that any potential source we have is eliminated, or not using the intel and being forced to let them go. After all, that is what the law says. So, what is worse?

This is just another problem (on a long list now) that President Obama failed to consider when sucking up to the leftists and closing GITMO.

 

[PLC1]

I wonder just what kind of intelligence will be compromised by trying the residents of Gitmo? Troop movements already carried out? Battle strategy for battles already fought? What possible compromising information will be revealed?

We already know that prisoners were taken, were tortured, some were killed. That kind of thing has already been revealed.

So, what revelations could possibly come out of closing Gitmo?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I wonder just what kind of intelligence will be compromised by trying the residents of Gitmo? Troop movements already carried out? Battle strategy for battles already fought? What possible compromising information will be revealed?

We already know that prisoners were taken, were tortured, some were killed. That kind of thing has already been revealed.

So, what revelations could possibly come out of closing Gitmo?

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it could out a CIA person....wait Bush already said that was ok.

 

[Andy]

I wonder just what kind of intelligence will be compromised by trying the residents of Gitmo? Troop movements already carried out? Battle strategy for battles already fought? What possible compromising information will be revealed?

We already know that prisoners were taken, were tortured, some were killed. That kind of thing has already been revealed.

So, what revelations could possibly come out of closing Gitmo?

Like the information on how evidence was gathered. How we found out where they were. The moles that gave us the information. What technology they might be using, that we have tapped.

I'm a bit surprised you would ask this. Remember the moles from the Soviets? We captured them, and stopped them, but then we couldn't prosecute them because we were not willing to release the fact we had broken the Soviets encryption. Essentially we had to release known soviet agents spying on US activities.

Similarly, we will either have to release the information about how we know these terrorist are who they are, or release them, to go and commit more terrorist attacks. This is likely what will happen.

If we release we've broken into Al Qaeda communications, they'll stop using them, and we'll be blind again. Or if we have an informant, and we release that, he'll be killed and no one else will dare help us after that.

In either case, being able to continuously monitor terror groups will be more valuable, than prosecuting a single Al Qaeda member. The result of course will be the same. They'll go back, and more people will die, and their blood is on the hands of those who freed the terrorist (or supported it).

 

[BigRob]

I wonder just what kind of intelligence will be compromised by trying the residents of Gitmo? Troop movements already carried out? Battle strategy for battles already fought? What possible compromising information will be revealed?

We already know that prisoners were taken, were tortured, some were killed. That kind of thing has already been revealed.

So, what revelations could possibly come out of closing Gitmo?

How about losing HUMINT sources on the ground in the Middle East? Our intelligence in that region is already bad enough.

I won't repeat Andy's post, but all of that as well.

 

[PLC1]

How about losing HUMINT sources on the ground in the Middle East? Our intelligence in that region is already bad enough.

I won't repeat Andy's post, but all of that as well.

So, in order to sort out which are the b ad guys and which aren't, we have to name our intelligence gatherers?

 

[Andy]

So, in order to sort out which are the b ad guys and which aren't, we have to name our intelligence gatherers?

Andy: PLC1 is a Al Qaeda agent!

How do you know Andy?

Andy: We have a report that he is.

By whom, Andy?

Andy: Someone...

Who?

Andy: Here's the report!

Great but it just indicates PLC1 is an Al Qaeda agent. You could have wrote this yesterday. Who wrote this?

Andy: A person...

Who?

Andy: An undercover CIA informant operating in the middle east...

(somewhere in the middle east...)

Any questions?

 

[PLC1]

Andy: PLC1 is a Al Qaeda agent!

How do you know Andy?

Andy: We have a report that he is.

By whom, Andy?

Andy: Someone...

Who?

Andy: Here's the report!

Great but it just indicates PLC1 is an Al Qaeda agent. You could have wrote this yesterday. Who wrote this?

Andy: A person...

Who?

Andy: An undercover CIA informant operating in the middle east...

(somewhere in the middle east...)

Any questions?

That pretty much describes how most of them wound up in Gitmo in the first place, and, in many cases, money changed hands between the military and the people turning them in.

So, what is the solution? Keep them locked up forever? Let them go? Shoot them? What?

 

[BigRob]

So, in order to sort out which are the b ad guys and which aren't, we have to name our intelligence gatherers?

You are ignoring the CIPA problem. If the terrorist waives their lawyer then they are able to see the intelligence that will be used against them in court.

Given that these people operate in small groups as it is, it will be pretty easy to narrow down who the "mole" in any given situation is. This will result in the loss of our intel source.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So, what revelations could possibly come out of closing Gitmo?

Gee......I don't know.....maybe MORE documented-examples of Justice, during The Dumbya Years???!!!!!​

"What most of the world does not yet realise is the extent of the misinformation disseminated by the Bush Administration and the US military: for example, American forces captured only 5% of all the prisoners at Guantánamo; 55% of the prisoners were found by the military never to have committed a hostile act against the United States or its coalition allies; the vast majority of the prisoners at Guantánamo were turned over to the Americans in exchange for large bounties paid for by the United States."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Any questions?

Yeah....this is supposed to demonstrate what.....the folks who were The Bad Example for White-trash Americans???
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