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Bush in Jerusleum

Discussion in 'World Politics' started by Here We Go, May 15, 2008.

  1. Here We Go

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    Well, here's another smarmy example of the idiot we have living in the White House. Obama will be going into the Presidency with "iffy" relations in Israel due to George W. (Wad of Money) Bush's slam to him. What a show of immaturity and unprofessionalism. Some President! He works against Obama, Hillary works against the Democratic Party, what's going on? Team work is a fallacy and the United States of America is in dire straits.

    "Bush is a riddle wrapped in a lie."

    From: Here We Go in Texas
     
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    Ohhhbama has ruined Ohhhbama's chances to have any real and meaningful relationship with Israel.
     
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    Israel does has not met Obama yet. They are good people and so is Obama. I look forward to watching him interface with other nations.

    Here We Go in Texas

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  4. YouMustBeJoking

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    Yeah...let's focus on what it means for Obama...how if affects his chances of even being elected. Nevermind that W is exactly right. That you cannot smooth talk foreign policy. That substance is required rather than some rock star appeal via television. That Mullahs nor Iranian Presidents nor Hamas leaders nor Hezbollah henchmen nor al-Qaeda terrorists are going to faint at your feet when you give a speech. You rail on about hope and change and they'll use that opportunity to shove explosives up yer wazoo and send you back out towards your adoring masses.

    W is exactly right, f Obama's sensitivity.
     
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    ISRAEL’S SUSTAINABLE PARASITISM ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
    Israel and the American Diaspora notoriously donate thousands of dollars to elect corruptible American presidential and congressional officials, who then repay Israel a thousand fold from precious tax revenues; with millions of dollars worth of technologically advanced military equipment and services, and with the priceless lives of thousands of young patriots.
    Any governmental official, either elected or appointed to office, who accepts campaign donations from a foreign power is categorically guilty of treason; and justly deserves the death penalty, if the repayment causes the loss of American lives.
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    if I believed that, that's one more reason to vote Obama for me.
     
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    Lets take a look at W's history here....lets see.
    He has failed to make Afghanistan a anything more then a Heroin Factory
    Pakistan still has al quida hold up in its borders
    Bin Laden alive
    Iraq Invade...no wmd, mass sectarian violence ( only slowed buy its now a segregated nation, so no one left to push out of the area...) Money hole that's killing the US Economy
    Oil cost higher....the one thing people though we may get out of Iraq....Also Oil was going to pay for this war...to bad it sits in Iraqi accounts while the US pays the bills
    Hamas wins Elections
    Iran emboldened greatly and has more power in the middle east then it has since the revolution
    Hezboallah , by proxy of greater Iran power, more or less beats Israel in Lebanon.
    Most of the world hates the US more then 8 years ago
    He has looked the other way while Russia went back to the USSR ( thank god he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul or what ever he said)
    So far as I know US trade gap with China worse and worse
    North Korea Got nukes, then Bush co attacked Clinton Policy on Korea, then more or less did the same thing....


    If Obama did a horrible job, and I don't expect that, it would be a improvement over W
     
  8. Libsmasher

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    OK, let's hear your genius solutions :rolleyes: to the middle east problems. :D

    (PS: No telling what you could possibly mean by a "smarmy example").
     
  9. Federal Farmer

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    Strawman. Afghanistan has been a heroin factory for centuries, up until the Taliban took over in '96. Nothing new here.
    Strawman. What would you have us do, go in and take over Pakistan?
    No, he's not. Even if he was, so what, he's not capable of doing anything any more.
    Iraq had WMD's, and we've recovered more than enough since the invasion in '01 to prove that to anyone except the most ardent "deniers". The violence is at it's lowest level since '02, and the entire argument that "it's killing the economy" is utterly specious on it's face.
    When was the last time that oil prices substantially went down? The war in Iraq has nothing to do with oil prices, they are driven by the STOCK MARKET.
    So what?
    No they don't, they just want you to believe they have more power, and apparantly you've bought their lies.
    And exactly how do you come to that conclusion? Israel responded to the unprovoked attacks of Hezbollah, and kicked their asses, destroying much of Lebanons infrastructure and sending nearly a million Lebanese into hiding.
    And this is different than at almost any time in the past 100 years...how?
    Now what are you talking about? Russia hasn't returned to Communism, they simply trying to figure out how to get their economy functioning without having to go back to the "bad old days".
    Again, so what? They build it, we buy it, or would you rather have millions of Americans working for minimum wage, in a dead end factory job, making a bunch of generally useless crap? (and with our current unemployment, I'm not sure where we'd even get the people TO build what the Chinese are building)
    One more time, so what? Their attempts to date have only resulted in a fizzle, not a stable nuclear weapon, and nothing delieverable.
    More or less? You ARE kidding aren't you?
    Obama is a dyed-in-the-wool Socialist, damned near a Communist, so be forewarned, if the American Sheeple DO manage to elect him as our next President, hold on to your hat, and your wallet, because his slogan is going to be; "Obama, he's got what it takes to take what you've got."
     
  10. pocketfullofshells

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    Yes it has, but part of the whole point of Afghanistan outside of killing the Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders, was to make Afghanistan a nation where they would not be able to gain power and train again. As of today that is not true, and much of that is because we took our resources to Iraq, and because Bush was to scared from the start to US US troops on the ground, and backed Proxy armies that let Bin Laden and others slip out. We are dumbing all this money now into Afghanistan to make it what ever it is Bush though he could do with it now, but we are getting few results.

    No I would not take over Pakistan, but I would strike hard at the border if we had good intel on where leadership was, regardless of what Pakistan thinks. They have as a "ally" given safe ground to Taliban and al Qaeda leadership to set up attacks both in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and other areas.

    Im sorry Bin Laden is Dead? Would you please share this info you have with me , the CIA, the NSA, and others? Wait no maybe he is just not important...so in other words you don't know. I guess you have zero understanding of the powerful role he plays in al Qaeda, as not only helping with planing and overseeing the general path the group takes, but as a inspirational leader as well. In fact there have already been 3 Bin Ladin Tapes at least this year, and soon after, the Dutch Ambassy is bombed. Its possible they are not related, but history shows that Bin Laden Tapes often showed up just before major attacks.

    Really we found enough WND? Please share with the class....and by class I mean the CIA, NSA, White House, Pentagon, and everyone else on earth know knows that there was no WMD program in places. I honestly don't know the point of debate if you can't even figure out there was not WMD...Unless you want to count the few old shells with mustard gas that was degraded to non usable from the Iraq Iran war.

    You are a special man if you don't think a war in the middle east, in a major oil producing nation, has no effect on gas prices.

    SO what that Hamas wins? I don't know I guess maybe I thought that was a bad thing? And it was in part due to US Policy that helped them win?

    really you don't think Iran has more power? we killed its more bitter enemy, we have our military stretched so we can't lunch a effected attack against them if we wanted, And its proxies have more power in the middle east now as well. Hezbollah's status in the middle east if far greater, and Iran's reach deeper. Pushing the whole middle east closer to a great conflict of Sunni vs Shia in the future. The US is now basically pushed to yelling at Iran about Nukes, but with Iran knowing this Dog has no bite right now.

    If you think Hezbollah lost to Israel based on death count or something, then its clear you know nothing about war, or Hezbollah and middle east.While they lost 1200 vs the 158 Israeli killed, the fact is that the power nation of Israel moved in on them, and failed to stop attacks on Israel, failed to damage Hezbollah in any significant fashion, and failed all of its goals. Hezbollah meet most if its goals, it caused damage and panic to Israel, it showed the Muslim world that a small group of dedicated fighters could stand up to Israel, a group that has no air power, or Army ( as in tanks, Fighter jets, ect that a nation would have) and it forced Israel to have to deal with them. There standing in the middle east was up greatly, and they won on every front important to them. You think of war in a outdated 1940's Second Generation fighting still. Its 2008, its Third Generation fighting, and we already must be gearing up for the 4rth. If you don't know what that means, you just proved my point.

    What I am talking about is Russia became a Democracy...not it is back to state run media, KGB spying and killing its own people (under a new name) and no more Free Elections with Putin playing its new leader even when he changes his title.

    So you see no problem with just buying and buying and buying...and no need for the US to sell anything overseas? Not only is a a horrible Policy economically, but it also means that we are dependent on China for way to much of we need today.

    And I may take Obama, but I may take McCain, I have not Decided, but at last I know both know alot more about this then you do. That makes me feel better.
     
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    ISRAEL DEARLY LOVES AMERICA AND DREADS OBAMA
    Israel and the Diaspora dearly love America, like the parasitic blood sucking leech loves a barefoot boy. Obama, by refusing to commit himself to treason on behalf of Israel, wonderfully reveals himself to be an American patriot, and a mortal threat to Israel’s parasitic relationship with its America host.
     
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    Please say this louder and a whole lot more often. I disagree with the blood sucking leech part but I agree with you 100% Obama is NO friend to Israel.
    If he is a friend of anyones it is Hamas and the like. If he could he would probably have the leader of Iran bless his next child.
     
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    Your blind hate of Obama makes talking about almost any issue with you hard. He could cure cancer and you would find a way to hate him for it, at least that what it seems like.
     
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    I fear your knowledge of the situation on the ground in Afghanistan is severely contorted by too much consumption of slanted reporting from the LSM. It was never our mission to do anything with Afghanistan other than to kill the Taliban and as many of UBL's people as possible, and there was never any hesitancy, much less fear, of putting our troops on the ground there. Lest you forget, we backed and supported the Mujahadeen there during their war with the Soviets, we know the area, we know the terrain, and we have no problem operating there. As far as using what you call "proxy armies", it only makes good military sense to utilize those forces that are most familiar with the area and the people so as to avoid wasting time and resources.

    (BTW, UBL didn't "slip out", he's DEAD)

    And by their being locked up in that one small area, they have been rendered impotent to do anything substantial, and Musharaff's forces are quite capable of dealing with any of them who stray outside their confinement. BTW, have you studied the terrain in that part of the world? The notion that we, or anyone for that matter, could just waltz in there and root them out, or that some mythical airstrike would have any effect is laughable. That's the kind of terrain that a Dahl Sheep looks at and says "are you JOKING?"

    Have you studied those tapes? I especially liked the videos that were perported to have been "recent", except for the fact that they were voiced over tapes from back in the early to mid 90's! I about laughed my ass off when the LSM was tripping all over themselves reporting "new tapes from UBL" and remembering seeing the EXACT SAME TAPE from years earlier.

    As for your rather lame attempt at a dig concerning what I know, here's a little clue for you, my job in the military was fighting terrorism, so I know exactly what UBL was, I know exactly how they think, I know exactly how they operate, and I know that the people who are running things now keep bringing out these "tapes" to scare the crap out of the uninformed sheeple, and it would appear that you're still buying it.

    Do your own research. Do the parts of their nuclear program that we have found buried around the country, including in one of their scientists flower garden, count as WMD's to you? What about Ricin? Anthrax? VX? Sarin? Oh, and since you've obviously never received NBC training (that's Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical), those old Mustard Gas cannisters you so conveniently dismiss, if used, even in their degraded condition, could kill or incapacitate THOUSANDS of people. The only thing that made them "non usable" was the fact that they could no longer be fired, but that does not in any way diminish the threat of the mustard gas itself.

    And you're a special man if you think that the emerging markets in India, China, and everywhere else around the world aren't having an exponentially greater effect on oil prices than anything going on in Iraq. FYI, by March of this year, 5 years following the invasion of Iraq, their oil production was at 2.4 million barrels per day, which is higher than any of their production levels from the beginning of Desert Storm to the beginning of OIF. So how does this little fact tie in with your scare mongering about Iraq having some effect on gas prices? On September 11, 2001 the average price for regular gasoline was $1.66 per gallon, today it's $3.97, yet Iraqs oil production is virtually the same today as it was on September 11, 2001, so please explain the discrepency between your ill researched "theory" and that REALITY.

    Oh, you 'guess', you 'thought', 'maybe', that's a lot of conditions, but the question is do you KNOW anything. Hamas and Fatah are two sides of the same coin, and Israel will deal with them in their own way, and in their own time. As to any involvement we may, or may not have had in their victory, again, SO WHAT?

    Iran CLAIMING they have 'more power' doesn't mean that they really do. Iran is a small minded, piss-ant, backwater theocracy since the Shah left power. Your assertion that our military is stretched only serves to prove that you don't know anything about the military, or how missions are planned. If you think for one moment that we can't completely decapitate, and incapacitate, Iran in one single day, your level of knowledge concerning our military is beyond hopeless.

    Really, and how many tours of the Mid-East have you pulled? How many months or years have you spent over there? For that matter, have you ever even BEEN to the region. Hezbollah are TERRORISTS, the entire region is wrapped up with them, and has been for centuries, and until you've BEEN to war, don't even go there with me, you're out manned, out gunned, out fought, and out thought.

    Oh, and what was Israels "goal"? They tore Lebanon a new asshole, from one end of the country to the other, and that WAS their goal.

    That analysis is as convoluted and juvenile as saying that a child who stands up to it's parents, and gets their butts beaten, has their X-Box, computer, cell phone, and everything else impounded, and grounded for the rest of their lives, won some kind of "victory" by forcing the parents to "deal with them". I strongly suggest that you grow up and face the realities of the REAL world. The only "point" you've proven is that you have not the first clue what you're talking about.

    Well, given that democracy is the worst possible form of government, I consider it to be a GOOD thing that they're not doing that. What Russia is trying to do is become as much of a Republic as they can, given their history and economy, as quickly as they can, but like our own history, it's going to take time, and a LOT of patience.

    No, I see no problem with buying, so long as the American people have the money to pay for what they buy. Where you're confused is in your definition of "need". We don't "need" anything that we're buying from China, we "want" what China is making, and we're willing to spend our considerable disposable income to purchase it. We're also propping them up economically so that they won't have to resort to imperialism and warfare to support their population. So you need to make up your mind, do you want to buy their trinkets, or do you want to go to war with them? The choice is yours.

    No young one, you have deluded yourself into "thinking" that you know something, and that makes you either drunk, stoned, or stupid, but that's to be expected from the young. When you grow up, you'll look back at these days and say to yourself "WTF was I thinking?"
     
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    ISRAEL DEARLY LOVES AMERICA AND DREADS OBAMA
    Israel and the Diaspora dearly love America, like the parasitic blood sucking leech loves a barefoot boy. Obama, by refusing to commit himself to treason on behalf of Israel, wonderfully reveals himself to be an American patriot, and a mortal threat to Israel’s parasitic relationship with its America host.
     
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