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Bush's War???

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Federal Farmer, Sep 18, 2008.

  1. Federal Farmer

    Federal Farmer New Member

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    http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

     
  2. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    Realy a quote from 83?
    Also Edwards saying we cant let him have nukes ....big deal he did not have them nor was he going to have them, nor was there any good proof he was trying for them....so whats yoru point?

    Bush made the choice, you can pass the buck all you want but it was him who poorly made the case and made the decision to go to war.
     
  3. Federal Farmer

    Federal Farmer New Member

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    What are you talking about "83"? All of the quotes were from '98, '02, '03, and '05.

    Uh, the point is that you need to do some more homework. If Saddam wasn't trying to get nukes, then why did he have 2 TONS of low-enriched uranium in 2004??? SOURCE I guess it's a good thing that I've kept a VERY long list of links concerning Saddam and what was REALLY going on over there before OIF began, otherwise some people would still keep trying to get away with re-writing history!!!

    Seriously now, are you drunk, or just stoned???? BUSH made the choice? Here's some more evidence that you just really don't know what you're talking about here.

    ROLL CALL VOTE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN FAVOR OF AUTHORIZING THE USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES AGAINST IRAQ (296 in favor)

    Ackerman
    Aderholt
    Akin
    Andrews
    Armey
    Bachus
    Baker
    Ballenger
    Barcia
    Barr
    Bartlett
    Barton
    Bass
    Bentsen
    Bereuter
    Berkley
    Berman
    Berry
    Biggert
    Bilirakis
    Bishop
    Blagojevich
    Blunt
    Boehlert
    Boehner
    Bonilla
    Bono
    Boozman
    Borski
    Boswell
    Boucher
    Boyd
    Brady (TX)
    Brown (SC)
    Bryant
    Burr
    Burton
    Buyer
    Callahan
    Calvert
    Camp
    Cannon
    Cantor
    Capito
    Carson (OK)
    Castle
    Chabot
    Chambliss
    Clement
    Coble
    Collins
    Combest
    Cooksey
    Cox
    Cramer
    Crane
    Crenshaw
    Crowley
    Cubin
    Culberson
    Cunningham
    Davis (FL)
    Davis, Jo Ann
    Davis, Tom
    Deal
    DeLay
    DeMint
    Deutsch
    Diaz-Balart
    Dicks
    Dooley
    Doolittle
    Dreier
    Dunn
    Edwards
    Ehlers
    Ehrlich
    Emerson
    Engel
    English
    Etheridge
    Everett
    Ferguson
    Flake
    Fletcher
    Foley
    Forbes
    Ford
    Fossella
    Frelinghuysen
    Frost
    Gallegly
    Ganske
    Gekas
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    Goss
    Graham
    Granger
    Graves
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    Greenwood
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    Hansen
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    Mica
    Miller, Dan
    Miller, Gary
    Miller, Jeff
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    Wolf
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    ROLL CALL VOTE IN THE SENATE IN FAVOR OF AUTHORIZING THE USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES AGAINST IRAQ (77 in favor)
    Allard (R-CO)
    Allen (R-VA)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Breaux (D-LA)
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Burns (R-MT)
    Campbell (R-CO)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Carnahan (D-MO)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Cleland (D-GA)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Craig (R-ID)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Daschle (D-SD)
    DeWine (R-OH)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Domenici (R-NM)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Edwards (D-NC)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Fitzgerald (R-IL)
    Frist (R-TN)
    Gramm (R-TX)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hagel (R-NE)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Helms (R-NC)
    Hollings (D-SC)
    Hutchinson (R-AR)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lieberman (D-CT)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Lott (R-MS)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Miller (D-GA)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Nickles (R-OK)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Santorum (R-PA)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Smith (R-NH)
    Smith (R-OR)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stevens (R-AK)
    Thomas (R-WY)
    Thompson (R-TN)
    Thurmond (R-SC)
    Torricelli (D-NJ)
    Voinovich (R-OH)
    Warner (R-VA)

    In case you missed it, that's 373 US Representatives and Senators who made the choice for us to go into Iraq, or weren't you aware that according to the US Constitution, it's the CONGRESS who has to declare War, which is PRECISELY what Public Law No: 107-243, more commonly known as the " Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" IS, so it's YOU who should really stop trying to "pass the buck" here.
     
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    I thought they voted to give authorization to bush to make the call to go in if need be, but not necessarily to go in. But I don’t know very much about the Iraq war so I am probably wrong.
     
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    No, that's the liberal equivocation line. The Bill was to authorize the use of military force against Iraq, the Congress voted on it, it passed, and the President signed it, just like every other Declaration of War that we've ever had.
     
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    no for once you are correct, and he was given the power to under guidelines that many have said where not followed. At the time it was viewed as leverage to push the UN, and many voted under the wrong idea that Bush was honest when he said war was a last option, though its clear to most now that war was a given in his view. But in the end Fed wants to pass the buck, Bush made the call and he knows it, he just cant say it for some reason.
     
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    Please, list these guidelines that Bush didn't follow.
    So exactly what did all those "many", who claimed to have been duped into voting FOR the authorization, think was going to happen after the deadline placed on Saddam expired without his compliance?

    The deadline was very clear about the "Threat of Force" Iraq was facing if it failed to comply... Are there some heretofore unknown "Enhanced Negotiations" that those who now feel Duped claim was their understanding hiding behind the terminology: "Threat of Force"?
     
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    Not sure if you remember but Bush was running round the world stating categorically that Iraq had WMD and was pressuring every nation in the UN to accept this lie and vote for an invasion.

    Fortunately they were not all stupid puppets who just agreed.

    So Bush just carried on lying to his own nation to garner support for the illegal war.

    I wonder how much influence this lying had on the vote in the house.

    After the lying had peruaded the idiots in the house to vote for war Bush then, having been caught out lying about WMD,changed his lie to one about regime change but unfortunately the idiots in the house didn't have the guts to say 'just wait a minute mr lying president'.

    So although the war was voted for by a bunch of bloated millionaires who would not have to fight it - they were kind of suckered.

    BTW in the US is lying to the house considered a bad thing?

    It would seem not
     
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    PFOS, have you ever even read the Resolution? While section 2 states that "The Congress of the United States supports the efforts of the President to-", in Section 3, it very clearly states "(a) Authorization,-The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to-..."

    What you and a lot of others consistantly FAIL to do, is acknowledge the simple fact that under the Resolution, the President has to report to Congress EVERY 60 DAYS, and if Congress isn't satisfied with that the President is doing, they could have pulled the plug on this thing in May of 2003! HAVE THEY DONE SO? NO!!! They have continually supported the Presidents efforts in Iraq 33 separate times! Now, you can continue to attempt to equivocate and obfuscate all you want to, but the FACT of the matter is that you are quite simply WRONG. It's the CONGRESS who decided that we were going to War in Iraq, it is Congress who has voted 33 times to continue to fund the War in Iraq over the past 5 1/2 years, and CONGRESS can vote to stop it at ANY time they want to, so why don't you stop sounding like the tin-foil hatted Kool-Aide swillers, overcome your BDS, and at least TRY to be honest?
     
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    Yes, but the reason many of them voted for war was Bush's lies about WMD.

    And because many of them are good christian pro-lifers who like nothing better than killing foreigners.

    I wonder where they stand on bombing pregnant women. I bet that one would give them a dilemma.

    Until they remembered that it was a pregnant Iraqi woman so it didn't matter.

    God doesn't like Iraqis
     
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