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CA. Priest call a sin to have voted for Obama

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by XCALIDEM, Dec 2, 2008.

  1. XCALIDEM

    XCALIDEM Active Member

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    This is something I've been saying all along....:D


     
  2. Pandora

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    Really it would be according to the RCC

    if Obama were not into the abortion thing then it would have been the sin to vote for McCain

    inocent life is higher priority so because McCain was not into abortion and obama was it made (in the eyes of the RCC) voting for obama a sin

    had abortion not been an issue then voting for McCain would have ended up being the sin because war/death is also frowned upon according the the RCC. but Obamas pro abortion trumped McCains war.

    funny thing is though that obama got more of the catholic vote than McCain did, that shows the catholics dont take their faith very seriously...all you have to do is look in MASS to see that. they have two of the biggest pro abortion for any reason any time senators there is.
     
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    Hmm...that's weird.

    Just the other day I was thinking it is a sin to redact or suppress certain of Jesus's teachings like the Roman Catholic Church did and has been doing for centuries.

    Sin is a funny thing. It even finds its ways under the robes and vestments of the scribes, bishops and popes...
     
  4. XCALIDEM

    XCALIDEM Active Member

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    I do taKE my religion very seriously...I went to church last week. First time in 6 months...;)
     
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    It just seems ironic that there are so many issues facing the US and the world that the Church needs to be concerned about: poverty, hunger, war, lack of adequate health care, being stewards of the earth, etc.

    And yet the Church seems mainly politically concerned about two issues: abortion and gay marriage. I find that strange and frankly disappointing. I can't speak for the Catholic Church, but that is not the message I gain from listening to Jesus' teachings. Personally, I think Obama took more of a position on trying to prevent poverty, environmental hazards and lack of personal health care insurance, but just because he respects a woman's reproductive rights, it's labeled as a sin to vote for him. I find that somewhat ridiculous.
     
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    The RCC and I would say most all churches take poverty seriously and hunger and all that you spoke of, they just put things in a list

    1. life. Inocent lives being slaughtered daily is a huge issue that not many stand up for so they must.

    the homosexual issue is random in churches, some its a big deal and others its not.

    many many churches do food boxes to help the hungry, missions, they help strangers pay electric bills and things like that when they come to ask, they help the poor more than any other group out there that is isnt called government and if not for the government they would be able to help even more becuase more people would donate to them instead of being over taxed and they would have more $$ to help more people.
     
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    That slaughtering of innocent life you speak of......does that include innocent civilians that are killed by American bombs and the military? And if so, does that not make those who voted for Bush, particularly in 2004, by your definition sinners as well?
     
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    Well Popeye I am not the one saying its a sin to vote for anyone but I think yes the RCC would say voting for Bush in 2006 was considered a sin, but less of a sin than voting for Kerry who is really big in partial birth abortion exc.

    If the choices are Bush and a democrat who does not believe in war, death P. or abortion, the church would ask the people to vote for the democrat in a heart beat. its just the dem in 04 was heavy duty pro abortion and that trumps death in war


    in 2000 the church went for bush because of abortion too but in that election there was no war topic to compare it to
     
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    Does not mean that since Saddam Hussein was slaughtering innocent life in Iraq before we invaded that it was a sin not to invade? Does that mean Clinton's inaction in Rwanda is a sin and Clinton supporters are sinners?

    This goes in circles forever and basically means nothing in the scheme of things.
     
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    I'm sorry, just my personal opinion, but I think the Roman Catholic Church's stance on birth control is NOT in keeping with trying to help prevent poverty (pr prevent abortion for that matter!). I look at places like Brazil that are so overpopulated that little 8 year-old children are left to run around in gangs and go hungry. And yet the Church still is technically against birth control. this is not compatible with a good quality of life and leads to increased global poverty. Food boxes don't make a dent in that I'm afraid.
     
  11. XCALIDEM

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    Obama hasn't done crap. You mention him as if he already accomplished all those things that you're saying...

    He's pro abortion and he voted against a law that would help infants from botched abortions....
     
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    The sin that the priest cited was the "vote" for an individual. So, be it Obama or McCain, you would have to vote for their position on the issue of health care, poverty, war, abortion, etc.

    I personally believe that Obama's position is more in keeping with the prevention of war and poverty. As for the bill on abortion you are citing, there was a whole thread devoted to why Obama voted the way he did. He was on record saying that he already felt there were laws in place that allowed for emergency care should an infant be born alive during the course of an abortion. By the way, Mccain is also on record favoring stem cell research. Shouldn't voting for him be a sin as well, considering the Catholic Church is against that?
     
  13. Pandora

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    Obama is on the record saying many things about abortion, partial birth abortion and the born alive act. he tried really hard to say oh I did not vote for it because it did not have this provision, then when that provison was added he voted against it and said there is already a bill like that but in another interview said it still didnt have the provison


    in the end these words from him sum up his real feeling

    go to this link

    http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=h4d9hYFfqUc

    to hear him saying that its adding another doctor burdens the original decision of the woman

    this statement of his shows that all his other crappy lies about why he voted for partial birth abortion and against the born alive act 4 times were all lies.

    this is how he feels just accept it
     
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    "Father forgive me for I have sinned."

    "What was your sin, my child?"

    "I voted for Obama."

    "Say three Hail Mary's, and picket Planned Parenthood"

    Just exactly what does this priest, or anyone else, think can be done to end abortion?

    If it were outlawed, and forced underground, would the pro lifer's be happy? Nations that have outlawed it have just as much, or more, than we do.

    There is no such thing as a "pro abortion" stance. No one is in favor of increasing the number of abortions.
     
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    This whole "forced underground" argument is ridiculous. The lawyers who tried Roe V. Wade admitted they made up stats on "backalley" abortions just to try to make their case sound better.

    I sense we have had this conversation before however, so I will not take it any further.
     
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