The only influence you can project is where you can put people. Russia can't do that even through the Medetaranian. Best they can do is sell weapons but everybody is doing that.
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And I believe i know why, I was against Congress giving support for Obama's airstrikes in 2013 was worry not only over the president's ambivalence but also possible escalation. Presidential ambivalence is gone.. In my opinion, OPINION, Obama thought it would throw a wrench in his deal with Iran..
Openmind
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You're kidding, right? "president ambivalence is gone?" Are you crazy?
3 days before ordering the strike, Trump was "happy with Assad" staying in power, and didn't want to get involved! And you think there is no ambivalence there? How crazy or blind can you be? Do you realise that that ass hole didn't even know if he bombed Syria or Iraq?
And what about "possible escalation?" You think that, because your GOD TRUMP says he will deal with it, there is no more danger of escalation?
Are you bordering dementia?
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ambivalence
[am-biv-uh-luh ns]
noun
1. uncertainty or fluctuation, especially when caused by inability to make a choice or by a simultaneous desire to say or do two opposite or conflicting things.
Give an example of Obama's "ambivalence" if you can, or are you just lying again to cover up for your new "god"? And your "god" Trump has already escalated American involvement in Syria. But don't worry Grumpy, the one you love, and pay homage to, is going to get more Americans killed:
https://popularresistance.org/trump-escalates-us-war-in-syria/
"About 400 new troops have been deployed overall, in addition to the 500 already on the ground. The plan had been in the works “for some time,” according to the Post’s Dan Lamothe and Thomas Gibbons-Neff.
The plan also reportedly includes more Special Operations troops and attack helicopters. Lamothe and Gibbons-Neff write:"
The Scotsman
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The continued prosecution of a pointless war in Afghanistan against a president bucking for world peace and being awarded a Nobel Peace prize... does that count?
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A change in circumstances causing a change in direction does not indicate ambivalence.
In the past few days Trump has changed his attitude on relations with Russia, China's currency manipulation, the American role in Syria, healthcare, NATO, Janet Yellen of the Fed, etc. However, the right would not call that "ambivalence".
The Scotsman
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As commander in chief he dictates the circumstances and the direction of policy...... but that wasn't the point.
The continued prosecution of a pointless war in Afghanistan against a president bucking for world peace and being awarded a Nobel Peace prize... does that count?
When he called out his red line in the sand, and don't give me the he went to Congress crap, Because that never stopped him in the past.. The only change in circumstances was his deal with Iran..He didn't want to mess that up..
Openmind
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And yet . . .if Congress had allowed for involvement in Syria, it would have happened! So stop blaming President Obama for everything that went wrong. . .The GOP was in charge of Congress at that time!
And stop looking at the "publicity stunt" Trump offered to make himself look "strong" and to distract from the criminal investigation as "the messiah has come!"
What has come is a lot closer to "Damien, the Omen" than a God given leader!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/09/us/politics/obama-syria-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0
this is from the New York Times, they painted it as pretty s they could, and OBAMA still looks bad..read the wholw aericle..
Still, the administration knew all along that it had probably not gotten all of the chemical weapons, and tried to get Russia to help press Syria, without success. “We always knew we had not gotten everything, that the Syrians had not been fully forthcoming in their declaration,” Mr. Blinken said.
Even before last week’s chemical attack, many veterans of Mr. Obama’s team considered his handling of Syria his biggest failing and expressed regret that their administration did not stop a war that has left more than 400,000 dead and millions displaced.
Many of them even praised President Trump for taking the very action that Mr. Obama refused to take four years ago, by ordering a cruise missile strike against Syria. “Donald Trump has done the right thing on Syria,” Anne-Marie Slaughter, the director of policy planning in Mr. Obama’s State Department, wrote on Twitter. “Finally!! After years of useless handwringing in the face of hideous atrocities.”
Tom Malinowski, an assistant secretary of state for human rights for Mr. Obama, wrote in The Atlantic, “The lesson I would draw from that experience is that when dealing with mass killing by unconventional or conventional means, deterrence is more effective than disarmament.”
Mr. Obama grappled with Syria for much of his tenure but resisted being directly drawn in, for fear of thrusting America into another Middle East quagmire without solving the problem. The most searing moment came in 2013, when Mr. Assad’s forces killed 1,400 civilians with chemical weapons, brazenly crossing what Mr. Obama had said would be his “red line.”
this is from the New York Times, they painted it as pretty s they could, and OBAMA still looks bad..read the wholw aericle..
Still, the administration knew all along that it had probably not gotten all of the chemical weapons, and tried to get Russia to help press Syria, without success. “We always knew we had not gotten everything, that the Syrians had not been fully forthcoming in their declaration,” Mr. Blinken said.
Even before last week’s chemical attack, many veterans of Mr. Obama’s team considered his handling of Syria his biggest failing and expressed regret that their administration did not stop a war that has left more than 400,000 dead and millions displaced.
Many of them even praised President Trump for taking the very action that Mr. Obama refused to take four years ago, by ordering a cruise missile strike against Syria. “Donald Trump has done the right thing on Syria,” Anne-Marie Slaughter, the director of policy planning in Mr. Obama’s State Department, wrote on Twitter. “Finally!! After years of useless handwringing in the face of hideous atrocities.”
Tom Malinowski, an assistant secretary of state for human rights for Mr. Obama, wrote in The Atlantic, “The lesson I would draw from that experience is that when dealing with mass killing by unconventional or conventional means, deterrence is more effective than disarmament.”
Mr. Obama grappled with Syria for much of his tenure but resisted being directly drawn in, for fear of thrusting America into another Middle East quagmire without solving the problem. The most searing moment came in 2013, when Mr. Assad’s forces killed 1,400 civilians with chemical weapons, brazenly crossing what Mr. Obama had said would be his “red line.”
The Scotsman
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I saw that and almost posted it.. But the evidence is becoming clear..
US ‘intercepted Syrian preparation communications’ ahead of chemi..http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ion-communications-assad-regime-a7682441.html
But who knows
BO looked foolish, Trump looks strong. They cannot get their heads around that.
The Scotsman
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Hi mate, I'm not sure the "authenticity" of that has been established yet? unnamed CNN source...
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The Scotsman
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Another interesting wrinkle... WARNING !!!! don't following the link if you are squeemish
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki...d_Chemical_Attack_Khan_Sheikhoun_4_April_2017
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki...d_Chemical_Attack_Khan_Sheikhoun_4_April_2017
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