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Comparative politics

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by LogicalMind, Feb 24, 2009.

  1. LogicalMind

    LogicalMind New Member

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    Comparative politics should not be used in any way as a political tool. One country cannot and should not compare its self and form of government to another country’s Government. The people, the life styles and the political expectations are different in almost every country. So to compare our country to that of another for the use of political gain in this country is a waste of time. To try and impose our ways of thinking on another system is wrong. What we have here in this country is a great thing. But it will not work in another country. There are too many variables. Too many things that cannot be accounted for to try and compare our government to that of another’s; people religions and views on life, what they want from the government, and there philosophical view points. We cannot use Comparative Politics as a way to get political power here. It is not our responsibility to watch the world and make sure everyone else is doing what they should. We need to turn our eyes inside of our country and work on our problems. We are slowly letting this media and government distract us from what is going on in this country with what is going on in the world. The result of this is more power to the government and more government taxes and involvement in our lives.
    In the beginning of this country The People had the power, We have lost a lot of this power…WE HAVE THE ABILITY THE POWER AND THE RIGHT TO GET THIS POWER BACK INTO THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE. ALL THE PEOPLE OF THIS GRATE NATION.
    -LogicalMind

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  2. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    I do not send private messages, sorry. I discuss things openly.

    Although I understand that we must be aware of cultural differences, that does not mean we can not compare and contrast, and consider the mistakes, and successes that another country might have done. And in fact, I suggest we should.

    One thing that is an amazingly common occurrence in America, is how often we repeat the exact same mistakes of those before us. You see a guy get messed up in drugs, running around with a screwed up crowd, and then later has a child, who when he grows up, get's messed up in drugs and runs around in a screwed up crowd.

    Remarkably, both end up with the same results, for the same bad choices. Yet, one wonders why the child who grow up seeing the gutter his father is living in, would choose to try the same thing he did, and expect a different result.

    Or the daughter who grows up with a father that abuses his wife, and then falls in love with a guy that abuses her.

    Another one that personally drives me crazy, is guy who grows up in a house of broke parents, and as soon as he gets out on his own, signs up a bunch of credit cards, and blows his money. So he ends up broke just like his parent, even though he said he'd never be like them.

    Why do we have to try something ourselves, and end up in the gutter ourselves, instead of listening to others that have done the same thing and seeing what the result is?

    There is a wealth of information in both the older generation, and in the history of nations around us, through which we can learn what happens when you try various things.

    So, yes I think we should compare policies in other countries to our own. For example, socialism has failed every single time it's been tried in the entire history of our planet, from every nation, to every age. Why are we trying it again? Why don't we learn from the past, and realized the futility of policies that have never worked?

    Socialize medicine has failed every time it's been tried. Why are we trying it again? Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Why does anyone suspect it will work if we give it another chance?

    So I respectfully disagree.
     
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    the private message was so that i know someone has replied, that way i can get back with answers sooner.
    I am not saying that we should not know about the other countries. but to many think that what works here will work anywhere and what works out there will work here. to many do not think about the variables in life and life styles. We have so many problems in this country and yet we still sending out $$$$$ alot of money to the rest of the world, trying to help there poor and desperate when we have our own.
     
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    Well, when Russia established a non-progressive flat tax, their economy boomed, after the prior very progressive tax, caused their economy to nearly stagnate.

    When Mugabe established a massive "wealth redistribution" campaign, his economy tanked.

    When Germany started printing money to pay off it's national debt, their inflation rate went through the roof.

    When Mexico nationalized it's oil industry, the oil production dropped, and it's government is sinking in debt.

    So why would we assume that a progressive tax, a wealth redistribution campaign, and printing money to pay for bailouts and stimulus bills, and nationalizing the banking system, would be beneficial?

    Now, as to sending money to the rest of the world, I actually agree with you there. I have this basic analogy. If you are a father of two kids and a wife, and you are flat broke, and barely have enough money for food and clothes, is not giving $100 to a homeless guy a violation of your duties to your family? Of course the answer is yes.

    So when the government is $11 Trillion dollars broke, should they be handing out money to other parts of the world? Of course not.

    Another massive reason we shouldn't be giving out financial aid, is because it doesn't work. We give out these loans, then a few years later, forgive the debt, then since they have a good credit rating, give out more loans, and then a few years later forgive the debt... and the cycle continues.

    Meanwhile, nothing improves. Many people seem to forget Clinton's learning experience with this. Remember Black Hawk Down, in the Battle of Mugadishu?

    Does anyone remember why that happened? We didn't go there because the "war lord" was starving the people as they claim. The starvation of the people was a side effect of his actions. We had sent millions of dollars in food to Mugadishu, and Mohamed Farrah Aidid was confiscating the food, and trading it for arms and weapons to other countries.

    This is what typically happens with foreign aid. The people in power, collect the money to prop up their own government, while the people oppressed by their government, remain unhelped.

    Now that said, the foreign aid yearly budget is actually only $13 Billion dollars. That's total for all countries, and both military and non-military aid.

    To put that in perspective the Stimulus package included...

    $2 Billion for the FutureGen Power plant that's already spent $1.5 Billion (and is highly inefficient).
    $6 Billion for "green" federal buildings. (a money loser no matter which way you look at it)
    $1.2 Billion for "summer youth activities". (now that will get the economy going)
    $0.8 Billion for Amtrak. (that will lose money the moment it opens)
    $3 Billion for the Census. (a real economic stimulator there)
    $1.4 Billion for rural waste disposal. (all that waste all over the place in rural areas... yeah)

    That's $16 Billion, in pork and earmarks, in one single bill. And that's the short list. There's nearly 3 dozen more earmarks and pork added to the bill, but this is enough to serve my purpose.

    Now, let me assure you, I'm hot to trot on cutting government spending. I'll be the first in line to cut funding for something, whatever it might be. But let's try and keep the focus on saving the ten grand, before we save the ten cents. The feds are tossing around trillions of dollars, that they will never have to pay back, be we will.
     
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    I agree with you. We need to stop the spending of what we don't have on stuff that we don't need. This will not lead to a better economy but to a stronger national government. with few rights to the people. you want a better economy then get the government out of the private sector and let free competitive trade and marketing resume.
     
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    It's worked in China. It worked in India. It's working in former Soviet states. Yeah, I'd wager Capitalism will work here too. Let's try it again.
     
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