Conflicts in Russia Today

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Contemporary Russian Situation (10/17/2014)


as described by BSN, an unnamed Russian author


Translated by Ludwik Kowalski, Ph.D.


http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/life/intro.html


1) My translation of BSN's article is available online at:


http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/bsn.html


2) Why did I translate this article? Because I know that the present political situation in Russia is far from clear, and that many people will be interested in how it is described by an intelligent Russian patriot. Feel free to share the link with those who might be interested.


3) Point 4 below is only for those who want to know how I became involved.


Best regards, Ludwik


P.S. Comments will be appreciated.


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4)On October 12, 2014 I subscribed to a Russian website: < http://mirbudushego.ru/forum >. My first post contaied the link to my autobiography (as above).


The forum administrator BSN, responding to me, wrote: "Stalinist repressions, which you describe, belong to the distant past. Don't you think that emphasis on repression, and comparing Stalinism with Nazism, were, and still are, used by American imperialists to demonize the Soviet Union, and then Russia? At the same time they cynically implement criminal policies. They try to dominate the world and to impose the new totalitarian World Order. Why should one particular policy of Stalin, or other errors of Soviet leaders, discredit the idea of building a just society? Why should it justify support of capitalism, controlled by the worldwide lust-and-power-hungry oligarchy?"


To which I responded:

"Yes, America, too, is far from an ideal. Yes, politicians of all countries use deplorable events to promote their interests. Stalinism was based on Marx's theory, according to which the dictatorship of the proletariat is the only way to build a just society. My parents believed in this ideology. But it was not justified by the Soviet reality. That reality should be studied, to avoid repeating similar catastrophes.


BSN replied:

"The main reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union was the betrayal by the elite, which, at the behest of the United States, and under the demagogic arguments about freedom and democracy, decided to discontinue building a just society, and to live comfortably in the unjust society, at the expense of common people. Marx's mistake was obvious; he believed that a change in the economic system would automatically change the consciousness of people. Reality is different; an economic system cannot be changed without first changing the consciousness of people. The primary desire of most people (in the socialist countries, like that of people living in the West), is material comfort, fun and entertainment. Therefore, to build a just society, it is necessary to rely on changing attitudes of people, not just a change of the socio-economic model, or transfer of the steering wheel from one social class, to another. What you think about it? Do you agree that today we should fight for a just society on the basis of an ideology similar to Marxism but modified, to account of mistakes made in the USSR?"


My immediate reply was short; I wrote: "Yes I agree. But I am not a sociologist. Who is developing such a theory in the Russian Federation today?"


BSN's reply was also short; he wrote:


" see, for example, ====> http://mirbudushego.ru/koncepciya/index.htm "


What is this link for? It allows one to read 23 articles (all in Russian), on BSN's open forum. The first 22 articles address psychology, sociology and history topics; the last one is a very interesting, (and probably unique?) description of the contemporary Russian situation. Unfortunately, BSN did not reply to my suggestion to discuss the last article privately, via email. After waiting several days I translated his article into English, and posted the translation on our university forum. The link is:


http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/bsn.html


Why did I do this? Because I know that present political situation in Russia is not clear, and that

many people will be interested in how it is described by BSN.
 
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So doc, do you or Russians who think like the fellow you are interacting with believe there was ever an intent of the people in power to see Russia in anything other than the state it actually became ?

Cynic that I am, I believe leadership fully intended for Russia to become what it became.

Its always been that there were those who wanted power and found a way to obtain it. The mix of force and deception varies but the outcome remains the same.

Curious to hear your thoughts.
 
P.S. Comments will be appreciated.

OK, here are some comments.

1) After reading your translation of BSNs article I think you're being very kind by describing BSN as intelligent. Most of BSNs rantings were street-level rabble-rouser complaints about the Soviet Union collapsing. Any analysis BSN did try to give was contradictory in my opinion. The only thing IMO that BSN got right was the involvement of Americans in the financial shock following the collapse but the fact the adjustment from isolated command economy to globally integrated economy was so traumatic should have led an intelligent person to ask why the transition was so painful. I think BSN failed to learn the lesson there.

2) BSN says that Marx was wrong...you can't change an economy without changing society first but then suggests that societal mores should be changed by force. I see this as a contradictory position.

3) This always irritates me. Just about every Marxist I've ever met likes to conflate capitalism with crony capitalism. They are two very different things.

There are other things I could comment on but I'll leave them for later.
 
Contemporary Russian Situation (10/17/2014)


as described by BSN, an unnamed Russian author


Translated by Ludwik Kowalski, Ph.D.


http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/life/intro.html


1) My translation of BSN's article is available online at:


http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/bsn.html


2) Why did I translate this article? Because I know that the present political situation in Russia is far from clear, and that many people will be interested in how it is described by an intelligent Russian patriot. Feel free to share the link with those who might be interested.


3) Point 4 below is only for those who want to know how I became involved.


Best regards, Ludwik


P.S. Comments will be appreciated.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


4)On October 12, 2014 I subscribed to a Russian website: < http://mirbudushego.ru/forum >. My first post contaied the link to my autobiography (as above).


The forum administrator BSN, responding to me, wrote: "Stalinist repressions, which you describe, belong to the distant past. Don't you think that emphasis on repression, and comparing Stalinism with Nazism, were, and still are, used by American imperialists to demonize the Soviet Union, and then Russia? At the same time they cynically implement criminal policies. They try to dominate the world and to impose the new totalitarian World Order. Why should one particular policy of Stalin, or other errors of Soviet leaders, discredit the idea of building a just society? Why should it justify support of capitalism, controlled by the worldwide lust-and-power-hungry oligarchy?"


To which I responded:

"Yes, America, too, is far from an ideal. Yes, politicians of all countries use deplorable events to promote their interests. Stalinism was based on Marx's theory, according to which the dictatorship of the proletariat is the only way to build a just society. My parents believed in this ideology. But it was not justified by the Soviet reality. That reality should be studied, to avoid repeating similar catastrophes.


BSN replied:

"The main reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union was the betrayal by the elite, which, at the behest of the United States, and under the demagogic arguments about freedom and democracy, decided to discontinue building a just society, and to live comfortably in the unjust society, at the expense of common people. Marx's mistake was obvious; he believed that a change in the economic system would automatically change the consciousness of people. Reality is different; an economic system cannot be changed without first changing the consciousness of people. The primary desire of most people (in the socialist countries, like that of people living in the West), is material comfort, fun and entertainment. Therefore, to build a just society, it is necessary to rely on changing attitudes of people, not just a change of the socio-economic model, or transfer of the steering wheel from one social class, to another. What you think about it? Do you agree that today we should fight for a just society on the basis of an ideology similar to Marxism but modified, to account of mistakes made in the USSR?"


My immediate reply was short; I wrote: "Yes I agree. But I am not a sociologist. Who is developing such a theory in the Russian Federation today?"


BSN's reply was also short; he wrote:


" see, for example, ====> http://mirbudushego.ru/koncepciya/index.htm "


What is this link for? It allows one to read 23 articles (all in Russian), on BSN's open forum. The first 22 articles address psychology, sociology and history topics; the last one is a very interesting, (and probably unique?) description of the contemporary Russian situation. Unfortunately, BSN did not reply to my suggestion to discuss the last article privately, via email. After waiting several days I translated his article into English, and posted the translation on our university forum. The link is:


http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/bsn.html


Why did I do this? Because I know that present political situation in Russia is not clear, and that

many people will be interested in how it is described by BSN.



Excellent post thanks. I will pass it on.
 
Funny how that never works.
It was never supposed to work.
Not unlike how Keynian stuff never works.

its never been tried...Stalinist communism has, but that was never how it was suppose to. All other major attempts in the last 100 years where influenced by that due to the USSR...no other form was able to take place.
 
its never been tried...Stalinist communism has, but that was never how it was suppose to. All other major attempts in the last 100 years where influenced by that due to the USSR...no other form was able to take place.
And why do you suppose it happened this way ?
For me it was one of two things.
a never intended to be
b human nature prevails and brute force wins the day
 
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And why do you suppose it happened this way ?
For me it was one of two things.
a never intended to be
b human nature prevails and brute force wins the day
Because the cold war put the USSR and the power of the USSR put it in the position to dictate....Had Stalin never gained power...and a better leader more true to Communism won out as leader after Stalin...very different outcome.
 
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