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Discussion in 'Elections & Political Parties' started by 9sublime, Apr 25, 2007.

  1. 9sublime

    9sublime Active Member

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    Things Republicans Believe received anonymously on the net)

    Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

    The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest
    national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

    Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.

    "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.

    A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
    multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

    Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

    The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

    Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.

    If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

    A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then
    demand their cooperation and money.

    HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart.

    Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

    Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but
    creationism should be taught in schools.

    Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

    A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid
    defense policy.

    Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

    The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.

    You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right to adopt.

    What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

    Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
     
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    hahaha..thats awesome.
     
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    Sure, some of them are funny in a kind of juvenile, simplistic way, but a good number of those are just flat out wrong.

    I could just as easily make one about liberals.

    "You think that killing an innocent child is perfectly fine, but killing serial rapists and murders is morally wrong" ...
     
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    palerider Well-Known Member

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    So why not title this thread republicans rather than conservatives. Are you under the impression that the republican party represents the conservative philosophy?
     
  5. No actually from what i have experienced in 4 yrs of this crap on the net is that most of his list stands true as can be from what ive seen of the right wingnuts



    BTW Im neither Liberal ....or Conservative
    great post man
     
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    Well lets not beat about the bush, if you call yourself left wing, you generally vote democrat, and if you call yourself right wing then you generally vote republican. And if you call yourself left wing, you are generally recognised as a liberal and if you call youtself right wing then you are generally called conservative.

    Yeah I should have called the post conservatism, but I didn't, and its not really incorrect.
     
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    I've actually seen several of these types of lists about liberals. This is the first one i've seen about conservatives.
     
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    On the topic of killing innocent children and abortion, if you are anti-abortion but pro-war:


    its not ok to kill a child that hasn't actually lived, that doesn't feel as much pain and hasn't developed complex emotions that come from being outside the womb etc.

    but

    its fine to bomb Iraq where 100,000 innocent children have died, and one of the worst psychological traumas a person can go through is losing a child. So thats 100,000 mothers put through the worst trauma possible for them, and you wonder why the inhabitants of Iraq hate America sometimes.
     
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    This is an extremely polar list. I think that just about everyone can find something to be pissed off about in there.

    For instance, I consider myself to be a liberal. Still, I dislike the concept of abortion because I personally believe that life begins at conception.

    I mean, do any you take this entire list completely seriously?
     
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    Its humourous but at the same time quite true.
     
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    You're wrong already. As I've spoken about on the abortion thread, the absurd notion that it doesn’t count as a human because it is not completely developed is simply ridiculous. It is without question living entity. It has a brain, and shortly upon conception, it forms its own, independent heart beat.

    A zygote, the immediate result when a male sperm and female ovum unite is unquestionably biologically alive as it fulfills the four criteria necessary:
    (1) metabolism
    (2) growth
    (3) reaction to stimuli
    (4) reproduction [cell reproduction called “twinning” – asexual]

    In addition, the zygote has its own unique genetic code, thus being a unique human individual (46 chromosomes).

    During the second month, the eyes, ears, nose, toes, and fingers make their appearance; the skeleton develops; the heart beats; and the blood — with its own type — flows. The unborn at this time has reflexes and her lips become sensitive to touch. By the eighth week her own unique fingerprints start to form, along with the lines in her hands.

    ...and this is when the vast majority of abortions are performed.

    First of all, these two scenarios are so different it's comical. The terrorists themselves have chosen to use human shields, thus they are responsible for the deaths. Second, that number of 100,000 Iraqi civilians (where'd you get children) has been debunked numerous times. It's less than a third of that number, and even this, is still an estimate. Those who tally up the body counts from the GZ have no clue if the dead Iraqi had previously been shooting at American troops. They simply chalk it up as a civilian death at the hands of the big bad American military because he's wearing civilian clothing. This is their strategy and you're playing right into their hands.

    And it's exceedingly ironic that you would talk about the trauma of losing a child right.

    MOST Iraqis love Americans and love the troops. We liberated them from an oppressive dictator. You're allowing the violent 15 or so percent to speak for the overwhelming majorirty, and that's intellectualy dishonest.
     
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    Well we will have to agree to disagree here, as neither of us can truely comment on the fact as we are not in Iraq and rely on different media sources, friends, word of mouth etc.

    And as for a feotus being a different entity, yes sure, it has fully developed organs and a seperate hearbeat, but it doesn't make it a full human. It is not truely concious. It doesn't know what life is at this point, it probably can't feel pain, and even if it can it isn't in the same way we feel it, it would be more instictual. Being biologically alive doesn't mean that it is truely alive. Its a clinical term. Once again, this is an issue that you have to agree to disagree on when people have strong views on it because it can't be proven really.

    The pain of losing a child you have had in your life, outside of your body, is undoubtly going to cause more pain when its lost.
     
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    Not only have I been to Iraq, but I currently have close to 100 friends there.
     
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    The republican party hardly represents conservativism. The title of the thread should have been republicans.
     
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    Yeah but who are these people? Do they have the same beliefs as you? Do they see the world through their own eyes? Do they only see certain people and parts of Iraq. It's all down to sources. I have friends who are Iraq's too and I know people who have served there.

    I don't see how you can imagine people being happy in a country that has gone from being under a very brutal but functioning regime to a very brutal anarchy.
     
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