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Democrats lie worse than Republicans

Discussion in 'Other Policies' started by ilikeboobs, May 1, 2008.

  1. ilikeboobs

    ilikeboobs Member

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    Up your butt, Jobu.
    Part 1:
    In just one year . Remember the election in 2006? Thought you might like to read the following:
    A little over one year ago:
    1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
    2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
    3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.


    Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
    1) Consumer confidence plummet;
    2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
    3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
    4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
    5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
    6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.


    America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
    Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.
    Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama

    Part 2:
    Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
    www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html
    Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
    Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250
    Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates

    It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.

    PART 3:
    You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:
    Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.
    I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
    I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. URL's included for verification of all the following facts.
    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
    Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
    Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and mariju ana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
    11. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
    Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
    12. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
    Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
    13. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States." Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

    Why are we THAT stupid?
     
  2. American First

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    Blame it all on the Congress. Bush and Cheney are too of the biggest liars in politics. Haliburton (Cheney) made a fortune on the unneccessary war started by BUSH while thousands of our young men and women died, are disabled, lost everything to come back to. Don't even dare make excuses for them. You are a minority if you do. Read Bush's approval rating and Cheney is not even human. God help them for what they have done to our country. Bush was not elected President to begin with. GORE was.
    We will see how history relates this. The only thing we are stupid for was letting them back in office in 04.
     
  3. Mare Tranquillity

    Mare Tranquillity Active Member

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    I love the title of your thread, not only are all generalizations false (including this one) but if you are a Repub, then your title is self-contradictory besides.

    When it comes to polititicians: We know they're lying, their lips are moving.
     
  4. n0spam4me

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    When the Republic was young, Senators and Congresspeople came from the rank&file of the working class, there was not as yet a career path that was "Professional Politician"
    Now, unfortunately we do have career professional Politicians and its a problem, because there is little difference between the Democrats and Republicans, BOTH parties vote for legislation that they have NOT read! like signing a contract without reading it!
    what a crock!
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    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    they lie equally, but its true that things are worse in this new congress.
     
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    Two factors, the Bush administration is driving a lot of VERY bad stuff for AMERICA
    and Congress is too lame to stop an out-of-control executive.
     
  7. top gun

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    ilikeboobs you must be saying you like Republicans when you say ilikeboobs... right :eek:

    That's a heck of a list ya got there. How about a little truth in advertising. :D

    You have so much spin there it almost flew off the page.

    Part 1: The Democrats have consistently and repeatedly tried to implement positive change. Over and over again it's the Republican Mob that has tanked the hard efforts. Bush vetoes and although in the majority Democrats aren't in the super majority of 60 votes to override and push threw the needed legislation (you know that). Republican blockade kills the much needed improvement the American people have voted for.

    In the words of Lee Iacoca... Lead (pubbies failed at that)... follow (quit blocking for blocking's sake)... or get out of the way (here comes PRESIDENT OBAMA)!!!

    Part 2: Tax brackets were changed (the groupings were different). Were it might have been 20K to 30K it was changed to 25K to 35K. So in overall brackets the changes were I believe like 3% lower under Bush. And let's not forget that with all the Bush Federal cuts to the States we paid that savings and more at the State level. The big tax changes and savings were at the very top end.

    Part 3: YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS! You want to compare social programs here at home to flushing $12,000,000,000 ($12 BILLION DOLLARS) PER MONTH in an occupation of a foreign country which was all based on a Republican administrations lies>>>> you're kidding right?

    Part 4: Well I guess you need to contact that FLIP FLOPPIN' Grampy McCain on immigration policy. He was all for it before he was against it...
    co-sponsored the bill on comprehensive immigration reform... believe Bush was all in as well.

    The pubbies over played their hand with abuse of power and corruption run amuck. It's time for someone that isn't lying, looking for a fight and trying to line the pockets of the big corporations and his rich cronies. It's time for a Barack Obama!
     
  8. Bunz

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    How about these Republican gems...
    Mission Accomlished
    We dont torture
    The insurgency is in its last throws
    Iraqi oil money will cover the cost of war and re-construction
    The surge will allow the Iraqis to work out thier political differences
    I didnt tell anyone to fire those attorneys
    We are going to capture Osama Bin Laden
    The economy has hit a rough patch
     
  9. Pidgey

    Pidgey Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I think you can blame more things on both parties together than you can separately. But there's strong evidence that a lot of what's going on right this minute has more to do with Peak Oil than anything else. The price of a barrel of oil has nearly doubled in one year:

    http://www.wtrg.com/daily/crudeoilprice.html

    (that's not a frozen graph, so get it while it's hot)

    Unfortunately, we have a "growth based" economy and it has heretofore been driven by cheap energy. Since the cost of energy has been going up lo these last few years at a seemingly ever-increasing rate, we're not going to be able to sustain our rate of growth. This means that we're probably in for a helluva' bad time, regardless of who becomes president.

    Pidgey
     
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    Just a bit of food for thought,
    Congress has openly admitted that they routinely vote on legislation that they have not read. Now if any corporate officers signed contracts that they had not read, these people would be out-of-work real fast! I would say that any member of Congress who votes on legislation that they haven't read, should be FIRED!

    In fact, lets fire the Donkey and the Elephant and start fresh with a lot of independent candidates.
     
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    I would agree, there is little use for political parties in congress, or anywhere for that matter. But most of the bills they vote on are scores to hundreds of pages long and sometimes thousands of pages of text. Boring, legalese, sectioned, paragraphed, line countes documents. I feel bad for the staffer who has to try and make sense of some of the bills congress addresses.
     
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    Also as a side note, there is legislation floating concerning just this issue. The "read the bills act". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_the_Bills_Act
    It is not authored by a member of congress and I dont think it has been introduced ever, and probably because it doesnt have a chance in hell at passing. But either way, it is a novel idea and one that would make congress unbelievably slower than it is today.
     
  13. American First

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    I was with you Top Gun until the last. Not the right time for OBAMA, the Republicans will chew him up and spit him out, especially if Mc Cain gets a good VP.
     
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    You know I totally understand how you could feel that way.

    It's not a perfect system for sure. I was an Independent all my life until the nightmare of the first Bush administration. Granted most of his economic problems were dumped on him by Reagan and his rampant deficit spending (WOW... that's what we're doing now huh?)

    But that's when I started to look at the broad picture. I want seniors to have Social Security & Medicaid. I want women to have the right to choose... not the government. I want reasonable safety nets for the truly poor... just like I want unemployment insurance and workers compensation if something God forbid happens to me at work.

    When you really look you see how top sided the Republican Party truly is I can never understand how any hard working low and middle (even upper middle class really) people can ever vote Republican. They're policies really don't help you.

    What they do is get people tied up in fear. Fear of not being able to buy an AR15 assault rifle... or fear that some gay person might get married. Fear that we're about to get invaded because a small group of criminals hijacked a plane. Everything gets blown waaaaaay out of proportion so you're scared enough to do what they want.

    Don't live scared. Go with the group that's going to help the most people. There is a difference between the Political Parties we already have.
     
  15. American First

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    Hey Top Gun, I agree with your total outlook, just not the candidate. I am also from Ohio and I think we are so far up the ladder in foreclosures, loss of good jobs, we were predominately an industrial state. My husband spent over 33 years at GM. I really think Obama is not ready, too young, too inexperienced and to elitist at this time. He needs more time and needs to learn to be a little more humble and how to relate to blue collar workers. I am an American First. Political parties are fine to a point, when they hurt the country, I am worried about the best cadidate. At such a terrible time for our country, we have a man that would be 73 years old, is in bad health, a black / white candidate and a woman. Some choice. God Bless America
     
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