1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Discuss politics - join our community by registering for free here! HOP - the political discussion forum

Dems need to lift ban on domestic oil drilling

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by chestnut, Mar 2, 2009.

  1. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    1,222
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
  2. Bunz

    Bunz New Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2007
    Messages:
    3,215
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alaska
    Two schools of thought here for me.
    Firstly, I am from an oil state, and I think we need more responsible oil development. Namely getting Exxon off thier butts to develop the Pt. Thompson field, it sounds like they are moving somewhat, but they have been promising to do it for the last 30 years.

    Then there is the ANWR question. I am one who says drill ANWR, suck it dry, designate a new ANWR and drill there to. But also in places where there is abundant and critical shipping, and fisheries, we should be working to develop the offshore resources. Beaufort Sea as an example.

    Then of course there is a concept that I have often discussed with people in AK who want to not drill ANWR, which is when the world comes into the reality of the petroleum end game, isnt it better to let everyone else use thiers first, and we be among the few with massive untapped reserves? Just an idea Ill throw out.
     
  3. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    7,829
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ooooooooooooooooo....probably, huh? What a well-thought-out opinion. :rolleyes:

    You PROBABLY needed to pay a little-more attention, during the Presidential-campaigning. :rolleyes:

    What.....the oil-companies have been waiting for someone-else to do their drilling, for them???

    :rolleyes:
     
  4. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    7,829
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Another example would have been off-the-coast of Florida....when The Jebber was Governor, there....if he wanted-to-do The Patriotic Thing, but....I think it was different, for Florida, back then.

    :rolleyes:
     
  5. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    1,222
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Shaman, do you or don't you agree that if we have available oil in this country we should start drilling?

    Do you like being dependent on OPEC?

    One of the things Obama did after he got in office was to stop the plans to drill in Utah.

    I realize it will take time but we have to start.
     
  6. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    7,829
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So.....let 'em DRILL!!!!

    How-many-more leases do they need, before they start???

    :confused:
     
  7. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    1,222
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
  8. Bunz

    Bunz New Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2007
    Messages:
    3,215
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alaska
    Yeah, I think you missed the first letter in the acronym entirely in ANWR. A stands for Arctic. Not exactly much of that in FLA.
     
  9. Bunz

    Bunz New Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2007
    Messages:
    3,215
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alaska
    Strawman argument. Why didnt Bush push for more drilling when he had the chance. For 6 years Bush was in the WH and had a GOP controlled congress, and he didnt pursue American resource development. He pursued foreign oil development, in the 52nd state, Iraq.
     
  10. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2007
    Messages:
    7,366
    Likes Received:
    314
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    USA
    Is this a joke? Bush and Republicans in both the House and Senate pushed for years and took many votes in both chambers that were then reversed for various reasons. Republicans (Bush and Congress) all have been pushing for more drilling for over a decade. Not to mention, Republicans never had a filibuster proof majority, which proved to be a massive problem on this issues.
     
  11. HankHill

    HankHill New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    293
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    With your mom
    Simple answer. He was too busy holding the Saudi leaders' hand and taking long photo-op walks with him.
     
  12. Bunz

    Bunz New Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2007
    Messages:
    3,215
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alaska
    The only bill passed and brought to the President concerning ANWR was back in 98 I believe and Clinton vetoed.

    Bush promised to make ANWR a central issue in a domestic energy policy, and that was all forgotten in a big way for 5 years when he could have easily done it.
     
  13. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2007
    Messages:
    7,366
    Likes Received:
    314
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    USA
    There were votes in 98, which was vetoed, it passed the House again in 2000, only to have the Senate remove it. It passed again in 2005, and was removed in conference. (as part of the budget)

    It was then again added as a defense appropriations addition in 2005, and was removed again by the Senate.

    The basic split that existed in the Senate is what caused the drilling in ANWR never to get passed. The House passed it numerous times, and a non-filibuster proof Senate blocked it every time.
     
  14. Bunz

    Bunz New Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2007
    Messages:
    3,215
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Alaska
    Oh I know. Those pictures make me ill. We played into the Saudi hands better than they could have ever wished for.

    Nevermind 15 of thier citizens killed 3000 of our citizens and destroyed landmarks and has caused us to spend untold hundreds of billions on more security, and then managed to remove thier biggest foreign threat, only to have them refuse to help us in the effort.

    When it comes to the US under the Bush family and the House of Saud, it is all to similar to a marraige with serious domestic violence and control issues.

    As long as they keep feeding us oil, we will do thier dirty work.
     
  15. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    7,829
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I think you missed me saying "Another example....".​
     
Loading...

Share This Page