1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Discuss politics - join our community by registering for free here! HOP - the political discussion forum

Desperate Dems hide behind talking points in response to Health Care protests

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Little-Acorn, Aug 5, 2009.

  1. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    2,444
    Likes Received:
    151
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Democrat congressmen are going home for their August break, and finding themselves confronted by upset constituents who tell them they don't want the government takeover of health care the Dems are pushing. Rather than listen, they are retreating and trying to wish away popular discontent, by announcing that it is somehow "manufactured" rather than being sincere concerns of people who don't want government running more of their lives.

    The similarity between various Democrat spokesmen's claims is familiar. This was fabricated by insurance companies, fabricated by a right-wing fringe, fabricated by a vast right-wing conspiracy, etc.

    Never mind that these Democrats can present no evidence of actual people telling otherwise-indifferent people, to go to their townhall meetings and start shouting. No evidence that the people protesting are a "fringe" at all, instead of regular citizens taking time off their jobs to try to stop an out-of-control socialist government. And, as usual, no attempt by these Democrats to actually back up their bizarre claims of sinister conspiracies and behind-the-scenes manipulations.

    Fear of the people who don't want Nanny State government, goes all the way to the top. The President's spokesman, Robert Gibbs, is trying to blame it all on one man, the head of an insurance company... but presenting no evidence to back up his claims, inevitably.
    Dick Durbin (D-IL) tried to claim the people questioning the Democrats have no minds of their own, but were somehow sent, robot-like, simply to disrupt things, by persons unknown. He threw in the usual insults and namecalling, but was unable to back up any of his claims.
    Democrats in Congress who have been protesting the govt takeover of Health Care, apparently knew these tactics were coming, and protested in advance that they weren't doing it to embarrass their party.
    The best news to come out of this Democrat deception and deceit, is that they are aiming their replies at people who aren't doing the protesting. As long as they keep doing that, they will have no effect on the actual protesters - a swelling collection of people who are learning exactly what's in the health care plans, and who don't like it.

    Barack Obama's strongest claim to fame, has always been that he was a so-called "community organizer". It's highly ironic that he is now complaining that his critics are doing exactly what he used to do: organize to protest a political plan.
     
  2. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    2,444
    Likes Received:
    151
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
  3. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Messages:
    3,497
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Of course. I love how this works from the hypocrite left. When Obama's white house specifically plants a DNC activist in the middle of a town hall meeting to claim she is going to die because of health insurance, that's genuine grass roots support for government crap care.

    But when they go to town meetings filled with hostile people opposed to health care, well obviously that's manufactured... HYPOCRITES! All you leftist scum bags are hypocrites. Each and every single one of you brainless socialist dip wads.
     
  4. top gun

    top gun New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2007
    Messages:
    4,940
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Ohio, USA
    Maybe a new pubbie playbook is in order.:rolleyes:

    Because this one's a proven loser.
    :D

    People aren't blind. They see this fake grandstanding by a "doing nothing is always better minority" the same as they saw the Druggie Limbaugh... OPERATION CHAOS vote for Hillary was a stupid sham!

    Just like I said President Obama would win & Judge Sotomayor would be a Justice, Health Insurance Reform is going to happen. And bused in tea bagger turd blossoms ain't stopping it... that's for sure!


     
  5. r0beph

    r0beph New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2007
    Messages:
    543
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville, Alabama

    I spoke at one of our local meetings. I'm a diabetic. My insurance tricked me into dropping my individual plan. They told me that IF I dropped my individual and went with my employer offered plan that I could reinstate my individual plan even though I have a preexisting condition. Cool beans, right? Wrong. After my job was over I called up BC/BS to have them swithc me back from employer provided to my (350$/mo for over 3 years, 2 of which it didn't cover my preexisting) individual plan. They said I'd have to wait 2 years again (@350$ a month... so I'd be paying $8500 for no coverage, since the only reason I ever go to the doc or hospital is due to my diabetes). I complained about them telling me they'd do it, so they had someone there replay the tape, they also sent me a transcript.

    Me: If I cancel my current individual plan and use my employer offered plan, does my preexisting condition status transfer so I'd receive full coverage?

    BCBS: Yes, sir.

    Me: So what happens if I lose my employer insurance, can I get my individual plan back even though I have a preexisting condition?

    BCBS: Of course, just call us and we'll set it up for you.

    Me: Allright, sounds good, let me cancel that individual plan.

    -----

    So what did they say about this? Well notice the language we used in the last few lines. They say I didn't explicitly ask if the reinstated individual plan would COVER my preexisting, only if they'd ALLOW me to have insurance through them. This of course is not what I meant (obvious by my first question's context). So now, I cannot afford the individual plan AND pay full price for my doctors, I cost 450$ a month in meds and testing equipment and about once every month or 2 I end up in the hospital because I pass out (happens while I sleep, because I can't 'feel' my sugar dropping, like I can when awake, not much I can do about it.)


    Last week I had a seizure, I went to the hospital in an ambulance, had several tests run (CT, 12pt EKG) because I was comatose for a short while. I now owe over $10,000, put this on top of 2 months ago transport, D50, and 2 hour observation, I owe the hospital over $18,000. I had insurance, but they screwed me. I want reform, I want it now, if you don't like it, I apologize. Some of us are screwed due to things beyond our control and the greed of corporate insurance conglomerates. My life DOES depend on this. I won't die without it, but I cannot live, I'll be bankrupt and financially screwed for the remainder of my life.
     
  6. samsara15

    samsara15 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2007
    Messages:
    967
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Moonbase 2B
    The health care system is already broken, and needs fixing. Now. We can't keep going on with rising costs forever. It needs to be reformed. If Conservatives don't like it, let's see them come up with some better ideas.
     
  7. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    Messages:
    11,790
    Likes Received:
    257
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    The people's republic of Eugene
    I heard a great idea today. Doctors pay tons in taxes and they dont like it. The poor can not afford doctors.

    If we changed the law where a doctor could see a patient who can not pay and deduct that on his taxes, the doctor would want to do it, the poor person gets care and the government can .... Well we cant cuss on the forum but you know what I mean :)

    There are a ton of things we can do besides throw out our system.
     
  8. samsara15

    samsara15 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2007
    Messages:
    967
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Moonbase 2B
    That's a good start, Pandora. The system is broken, and needs fixing. I don't care which side fixes it.
     
  9. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    Messages:
    11,790
    Likes Received:
    257
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    The people's republic of Eugene
    I agree with you about fixing, I just disagree with this desire to remake it
    as a government thing when government gets it wrong every time.
     
  10. r0beph

    r0beph New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2007
    Messages:
    543
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville, Alabama
    I agree, since the corporate insurance conglomerates have gotten it right...every time. Right?
     
  11. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    7,829
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ....And, George Bush's strongest claim to fame was to allow the Health-In$urance-Indu$try to RUN WILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  12. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    7,829
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Absolutely!

    Totally-ELIMINATE ALL health-insurance companies!!!!!
     
  13. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    7,829
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  14. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    Messages:
    11,790
    Likes Received:
    257
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    The people's republic of Eugene
    Private sector has not gotten things right every time, but they have gotten it right a number of times where government has yet to ever get it right.
     
  15. r0beph

    r0beph New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2007
    Messages:
    543
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville, Alabama
    The Government has never gotten anything right. I see. Of course that is pure rhetoric. The private sector insurers have gotten it right, but only in one matter, that's ensuring that their shareholders and corporate officers are well paid. Of course no one mentions that this is at the cost of lives. I think you should introduce yourself to three words that really should incite fear, medical cost ratio. MCR = Costs/Premiums. Cigna's MCR is currently 82.1%. This is actually quite scary when you realize the amount of money involved here. "Good" MCR is achieved by ensuring that you don't spend as much as you ought to on medical care for your customers. When I pay a premium I don't pay it so only 80% of it is used in my and others care, I mean they have the money to cover a lot more than they do and they choose not to and yet premiums continue to rise while their MCR continues to drop, that points to the obvious, they're taking in more money, but not paying more out. Take a peek at this, it'll show you how messed up it really is, http://www.theverdengroup.com/uploaded/Verden Report_SE_Cost vs Profit in Managed Care Today.pdf ... And here you can enjoy watching the profits grow at cigna while so many are still uninsured or undercared for by their provider. "Cigna reported a second-quarter profit of $435 million, or $1.58 a share, compared with $272 million, or 96 cents a share, a year earlier. " http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090730-719032.html .. And I did mention rising premiums. As the premiums go up, people cannot afford insurance, medical costs go up as well as the economy took a nose dive, http://oecdobserver.org/news/fullst...re_Gap_-_OECD_Observer_No_273_June_2009_.html This is a nice short on the current healthcare gap in america versus other countries, if that doesn't bother at least just a minute bit while you're espousing the wonderful free market provider care market, then I don't know what to say, you simply don't really care about Americans in general, because all those "mom and pops" and "average American's" you keep cheering on at thoe town hall meetings, they're not the ones lying in a hospital bed living their last few weeks because their insurer decided chemo was too expensive to keep paying for. Those are the American's it'd be nice to hear from, but the insurers won on two fronts, 1 they can continue to reduce their MCR by denying treatment and 2 they can keep their naysayers who NOW know how it really is quiet, since they're just gonna die anyhow.

    At the end of it all every dime that passes out as profit is blood money. They go out of their way to stop payment, disqualify treatments that are known to work, cancel policies for nonsense reasons, all for money. People die because of this, this is the insurer's free market. A free for all of what approaches to me negligent manslaughter for profit.
     
Loading...

Share This Page