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  1. Abide

    Abide New Member

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    You should because eventually our rights will be gone and there will be nothing we can do about it. Don't take everything in these videos on the directors word... take the time to do your own research and formulate your own opinions... All I have to say is that if we don't do something soon this country will be ****ed. Fascist dictatorship here we come... open your eyes. Fight for your freedoms.

    Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut - Google Video

    9/11 Mysteries (Full Length, High Quality) - Google Video

    TerrorStorm Deluxe High Quality (Alex Jones) - Google Video
     
  2. USMC the Almighty

    USMC the Almighty New Member

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    Don't make me laugh. Open your eyes. For someone who preaches not believing everything you read, you seem awfully content with swallowing all of this garbage.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

    http://www.debunking911.com/

    http://www.jod911.com/

    http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

    http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth.html

    http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

    Loose Change started as a fictional movie but the kool-aid drinking, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts like yourself sucked it up as gospel.
     
  3. n0spam4me

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    Just my bit here
    But think about this
    If for many years a common path crosses private property and the property owner makes no effort to prevent the tresspass, by default the path becomes public and availaable for all to use... note BY DEFAULT.
    This is important because if for the past 6 years at least, our so-called leaders have been tresspassing against the BILL OF RIGHTS and if WE_THE_PEOPLE have not raised our voices to protest this tresspass, by default the "government" may just go on the assumption that we have willingly "waved" thouse rights and so therefore the BILL OF RIGHTS no longer applies!

    THINK ABOUT IT!
     
  4. USMC the Almighty

    USMC the Almighty New Member

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    It would bolster your argument if you were able to provide some examples...
     
  5. n0spam4me

    n0spam4me Member

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    OK, I'm not a very good writer ... (oops - my bad...)

    HOWEVER

    See http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pol/277323270.html < RE: no Habeas Corpus (!)

    This guy sez it very well and cites references.
    Good stuff!

    anyhow, question for USMC the "almighty"
    Does "almighty" make the statement that you believe AMERICA should be the worlds COP and enforcer of whats right, by our deffinition of whats right(?)
    OR?

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    9/11 was an inside job!
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  6. USMC the Almighty

    USMC the Almighty New Member

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    This article says absolutely nothing. He cries that the president is intruding on our personal rights -- the rights of citizens -- but then dwells on how a student from Qatar isn't be granted the right to trial in a civilian court. Well he shouldn't be. The only people who should be tried in civilian courts are American citizens. As of now, no American citizen has been declared an enemy combatant.

    Anyhow, this entire article misses the point. In wartime, the President is given special powers granted by Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution -- which include the right to suspend habeas corpus. President Bush has not done this, though you could make a good argument that he should.

    During the Civil War, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and declared martial law. Sometimes, in war, extra measures need to be taken to secure safety and victory.


    The "Almighty" part of my name is a military referrence -- something you are clearly unfamiliar with, and I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain it to you.

    And no - America should not be the world cop, although if we don't solve its problems, no one else will.

    And get rid of this stupid signature. It makes you look ignorant.
     
  7. n0spam4me

    n0spam4me Member

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    Just a bit from a simple tradesman ...

    In the "official" version of events 9/11/2001
    we are expected to believe that THOUSANDS of welds in the WTC towers
    failed in sequence right on que, as if ALL of the welds where perfectly uniform. LOOK AT THE VIDEO of the collapse of the three buildings, VERY uniform, and in fact UN-NATURAL! This was no chaotic failure of the structure, this was planned and organized and controled!

    as for the "official" fairy tale, I'm not buyin' it at all!

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    9/11 was an inside job!
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  8. USMC the Almighty

    USMC the Almighty New Member

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    I'm not sure why I even bother responding to you as it is clear you don't listen to anything I say, or anyone who doesn't buy into your tin-foil hat conspiracy theories.

    I've provided you with about 10 sites, and could find 100 more, that refute your theory. However, after doing a fair amount of research, this is the conclusion as to why the buldings collapsed the way they did:

    Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

    "Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

    But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

    "The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."
     
  9. n0spam4me

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    Greetings and as a rebuttal to your last...
    Check the pix that I have posted with my id,
    that photo was done 16 days AFTER 9/11/2001
    The steel was not only weakened, there is very clear evidence of MELTED steel! Thermite, termites, or hydrogen bombs .... whatever
    there was some other force involved, NOT just the heat of burning jet fuel and office stuff.

    Huston .. WE have a problem!

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    9/11 was an inside job!
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  10. Nammy

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    I don't think it was an inside job...

    There's just no way...

    It could've melted because of other reasons.
     
  11. TVoffBrainOn

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    I think the big problem with discussing 9/11 is that everyone's mind is already made up. You can find "scientific evidence" to support any theory.

    I've seen all the "conspiracy theory" stuff and i've read all the debunking scientific articles related to it.

    For me, The official story is full of holes and the entire premise is so illogical it makes me wonder how intelligent folk can take it seriously.

    But the Conspiracy Theory versions have been spun off in so many directions and rely heavily on circumstantial evidence to make their claims.

    Personally, i equate 9/11 to Hitler's Reichstag fire. It was an event needed to rally up rampant nationalism to support a war campaign. I do not think Bin Laden/Al Qaeda are solely responsible for 9/11 nor do i think that this gov't and/or it's intelligence communities were not involved in some way. History has proven that powerful gov'ts will do extraordinary things to reach their goals.
     
  12. USMC the Almighty

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    The steel doesn't need to melt for the building to collapse. It just has to soften.
     
  13. n0spam4me

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    "The steel doesn't need to melt for the building to collapse. It just has to soften."

    My pix was taken 16 days after the collapse of the WTC.
    Where did all that energy come from?

    Steel framed buildings have had fires before, even the WTC had a fire, lasting much longer than the fire on 9/11/2001 and it sustained no structural damage.

    Have you read my other post under the 9/11 truth video thread?
     
  14. Scott

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    Have you seen this stuff?

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9210704017463126290
    http://www.wtc7.net/articles/WhyIndeed09.pdf

    This is a clip from the video.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet+9/11

    There was still molten metal in the wreckage weeks after the collapse.
    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/events-images/626_molten_metal.jpg

    There's a picture here of a beam that has been cut.
    http://worcester.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/6795_comment.php

    I've cut quarter inch steel with a cutting torch before but I've never cut steel as thick as that in the picture. I remember there was hardly any molten metal when I cut quarter inch steel as the oxygen burns it; it doesn't melt it. I'm pretty suspicious of all that molten metal in the picture. It's consistent with the thermite theory. Has anyone ever cut steel that was two inches thick?
     
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