Do you still vote "lesser of two evils"?

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I hear a lot of people talking about how they will vote for the "lesser of two evils." Don't you get tired of that being the choice? I do.

I don't want to vote for someone because they aren't quite as bad as the other guy. I want someone I can be proud of voting for. I don't see it happening any time soon though, and I think it will only get worse as the younger "everyone gets a trophy" generations filter in.
 
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We are too big and diverse a country for a binary choice to be a perfect fit.
A lot of people think ditching the two party system is the answer but without the sort of election system that other countries use (random vote of confidence etc) it's not any different
 
Here in the UK we have multi-party politics, but people still vote for the either the one their past generations have voted for, or the one they least hate.

Maybe it might be time to ditch party politics altogether and let people vote for whichever candidate they see fit?

That will never happen of course though...
 
We are too big and diverse a country for a binary choice to be a perfect fit.
A lot of people think ditching the two party system is the answer but without the sort of election system that other countries use (random vote of confidence etc) it's not any different

Read George Washingtons Farewell Address, or just do a search on "pretended patriotism". He explained it quite well way back then. Of course, most opf what the Founders warned against, and tried to protect the country from, has been ignored.

I quit "holding my nose" over 30 years ago, and have voted principle ever since. Feels good to be able to say "I didn't vote for that asshole".
 
Read George Washingtons Farewell Address, or just do a search on "pretended patriotism". He explained it quite well way back then. Of course, most opf what the Founders warned against, and tried to protect the country from, has been ignored.

I quit "holding my nose" over 30 years ago, and have voted principle ever since. Feels good to be able to say "I didn't vote for that asshole".

I'll have to give it a look. I am often blown away by the foresight of the Founders. What they said back then still makes so much sense today. I don't understand why people refuse to see that.

Lots of people will say you don't have a right to complain if you didn't vote, but I refuse to vote for someone that I don't trust. I wish more people would look at a candidate's record and past instead of being bought with pretty words that weren't even composed by the candidates.
 
It's a free country. You boys do what you need to do.

Well, it's supposed to be a free country, anyway. What if I'm not a boy? ;)

I guess the post above was a bit... wishful thinking. I know that no politician can be trusted completely. I would like to be able to have a little trust in them though. I don't want to vote for criminals, socialists, or scumbags though. Is that too much to ask?
 
It's a free country. You boys do what you need to do.


Yes, and one of those "duties" is to prevent the ignorant from destroying the country. You might try thinking about it

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/opinion/alexander-washington-george/

Washington was keenly aware of the destructive nature of political parties and was concerned they would "enfeeble public administration." With myriad affected agencies and thousands of furloughed federal workers, this is exactly where the country finds itself today.

Washington is not typically held in the same intellectual esteem that some of his counterparts are -- Madison, Hamilton and Jefferson come to mind. However, Washington's farewell address is among the most prescient documents ever penned by a President. In it, he cautioned against the vengeful practices of political parties. To him, parties put their own interests above those of the country.

He warned: "The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism." Both parties today would likely level such charges against one another, while most Americans recognize that both parties share responsibility for the current situation.

In addition to his concerns about political party mischief, he also warned of the dangers of accumulating debt. He argued that for a country to enjoy safety and strength, it should "cherish public credit." Running up debt would be tantamount to unethical behavior to future generations.

Tea party Republicans have succeeded in heeding Washington's concern by bringing the eyes of the country squarely upon the issue of debt. However, the recalcitrance of the tea party Republicans to compromise has also put the country at great risk, at least in Washington's eyes, given his dedication to maintaining America's credit.

Washington was not a fan of taxation, but he abhorred debt even more. He wrote: "It is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant."


And now you are without excuse for not reading the entire speech, and try top do so with understanding.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp
 
Well, it's supposed to be a free country, anyway. What if I'm not a boy? ;)

I guess the post above was a bit... wishful thinking. I know that no politician can be trusted completely. I would like to be able to have a little trust in them though. I don't want to vote for criminals, socialists, or scumbags though. Is that too much to ask?
It would be nice. All apply equally to the fairer sex.
Sadly there is no incentive for the best to pursue politics. Had a civics teacher who suggested raising the salary of Congress up to CEO levels as incentive. Interesting idea but politics have c always been about making highway robbery seem ok by mn along us seem like we have some say in who we prefer to have robbing us.
If legislating is akin to sausage making then government is akin to organized crime.
 
It would be nice. All apply equally to the fairer sex.
Sadly there is no incentive for the best to pursue politics. Had a civics teacher who suggested raising the salary of Congress up to CEO levels as incentive. Interesting idea but politics have c always been about making highway robbery seem ok by mn along us seem like we have some say in who we prefer to have robbing us.
If legislating is akin to sausage making then government is akin to organized crime.

No, I don't agree with raising their pay. I want to get more of them out, not encourage them to stay forever. Being a representative of the people was meant to be a calling, not a lifelong career. Average people were supposed to step up to speak for others... others like them. What we have now is nothing like what the Founders envisioned.
 
No, I don't agree with raising their pay. I want to get more of them out, not encourage them to stay forever. Being a representative of the people was meant to be a calling, not a lifelong career. Average people were supposed to step up to speak for others... others like them. What we have now is nothing like what the Founders envisioned.
A calling is forever. Perhaps a shift ?
Definitely get rid of the platinum parachute.
 
I'll have to give it a look. I am often blown away by the foresight of the Founders. What they said back then still makes so much sense today. I don't understand why people refuse to see that.

Lots of people will say you don't have a right to complain if you didn't vote, but I refuse to vote for someone that I don't trust. I wish more people would look at a candidate's record and past instead of being bought with pretty words that weren't even composed by the candidates.

You become part of the problem when you choose not to vote. If everybody that chose not to vote actually voted the outcomes of elections would be very different. Unless you have a ballot that does not allow you to write in names you have no excuse for not voting. Taking the heard mentality of the lesser of two evils doesn't help even if you do vote.
 
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You become part of the problem when you choose not to vote. If everybody that chose not to vote actually voted the outcomes of elections would be very different. Unless you have a ballot that does not allow you to write in names you have no excuse for not voting. Taking the heard mentality of the lesser of two evils doesn't help even if you do vote.
Elections are not intended to benefit citizens.
 
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