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Does Obama know the difference between Veterans Day and Memorial Day?

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  1. Pandora

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    Does Obama know the difference between Veterans Day and Memorial Day?
    Here is his speech given on Memorial Day. One very small quote where he eludes to the meaning of Memorial Day, then shoots that in to foot by saying he sees many of the “fallen” out in the audience.

    Obama: On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

    The rest of the speech has nothing to do with Memorial Day or the fallen or the reason the day exists. It’s just a Q and A political speech aimed at vets. I personally think he confused veterans day and memorial day.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/05/020607.php
     
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    Look - the guy's got Alzheimers - quit making fun of him. :)
     
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    Unlike Senator McCain who has the greatest desire to leave our troops stuck in Iraq for well, maybe forever, and didn't even care enough to show up and vote on the new GI Bill, in fact states he's against it, even though a major part of his own Party itself endorses it, Senator Obama is out front working to help Veterans.

    As someone that has given a lot of speeches in Board meetings and at events I can tell you first hand it's not uncommon not to repeat yourself or carry on with a similar train of thought... heroes fallen... heroes in the audiance... it flows differently when listening to it than in text. The point remains very understandable.

    I.E. Obama: On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes and I see many of them in the audience here today our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

    You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand the Senator was both complimenting the fallen heroes and the surviving heroes in the audience as well.

    I'm glad he was there to do that. Veterans deserve it. It's a good thing.
     
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    I am not making fun of him.

    He does not have Alzheimers either. It was just a mistake but I think he might not realize the differnce.
     
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    QUOTE=top gun;39655]Unlike Senator McCain who has the greatest desire to leave our troops stuck in Iraq for well, maybe forever, and didn't even care enough to show up and vote on the new GI Bill, in fact states he's against it, even though a major part of his own Party itself endorses it, Senator Obama is out front working to help Veterans. [/QUOTE]

    McCain said he did not agree with that particular bill, and had his own bill he was trying to pass. Why waste his carbon foot print to fly back and vote no, since he was pushing for another bill he liked better? If the tables were turned I would have agreed with Obama on this one. It is stupid to fly around to vote no when not voting means the same thing as voting no.

    I have never given a speech; I will have to take your word on this one.

    That is an interesting analogy. I am not sure I agree with it, but it is something at least to ponder.



    I think it would have been a more than excellent speech for Veterans day, it was the lack of saying anything at all about the fallen (except in the opening line) that makes me feel he doesn’t understand the meaning of the day. I read the speeches from Bush and McCain to compare the references to the fallen soldiers and the memorial of them and I saw a real difference.

    If he really does not know the difference between the two days, I really do not think it’s so terrible as much as it is interesting. I did not always know the difference. Someone who has no immediate family in the service or served themselves might not know the difference. And then there is always the chance someone else wrote that opening speech for him, who did not know the difference, and he had not had time for proof reading before making the comments.

    Oh.. On another note: I thought over the last couple of days at something you said to me.

    You said
    “the way you go about it (meaning Obama) is venomous and deceptive.”

    Now I would completely disagree with the deceptive part but I have decided the “venomous” part is probably accurate on a couple of topics. Anything to do with his socialistic policy or his socialistic thinking. I decided I probably am “venomous” on this topic. I really do hate socialism. And things he or his wife has said that I find un patriotic. In those two areas I think you gave an accurate description of me. Though I did not want to agree with that at first.

    This particular post I would not put in that category. I hope you are not thinking I am being venomous on this one. Its more of a scratch your head and wonder... What was he thinking?

    He gave another speech I am spittin mad about the day before this one, where he made comments I found again “Socialistic” and as soon as I get time I will post something really venomous about it :p
     
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    Uh, I was making a JOKE, parodying the dems imputing disease to McCain because he mispoke once. :rolleyes:
     
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    Oh pleeeeeeeease!:D John McSame put up some do nothing Bill that he knew wouldn't pass, that even his own Party rebuffed just to run and hide from the reality that he likes the troops a lot when they're fighting.

    After that not so much.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK_9sI7hzAc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcDMD0B7r88

    It can be quite intimidating. There was a time when I never thought I could do it either. But then I was kind of pushed in my job to teach a chemical maintenance seminar twice a week and it became quite fun and rewarding. Funny how sometimes the things you fear most are the things you are best at.

    Well you know different people just have different styles. I think it goes without saying that on Veterans Day or Memorial Day all people of good conscience are thinking about those that are in harms way and those that have paid the ultimate sacrifice.

    I guess what I was trying to say is typed messages can often come off even harsher that one really intends.

    I myself could go on for days bashing Hillary Clinton because being such a huge supporter of her husband I feel they have both really let me down in their approach & tone in this campaign... but I purposely try not to.

    My goal is to do my best to explain why I see Senator Obama as the best person for America at this time in history.

    I guess you are in a tough spot as you don't really have a candidate that's still in the running. That has to be somewhat frustrating. I can only hope that you'll keep an open mind as we continue through this process.


    This here is a very civilized exchange of perspective. :)

    I'll tell you what I do to reason out if something is fair or not. What I do is put the shoe on the other foot and seriously think about how it would be to be in that spot.

    You're obviously pretty against government programs, entitlements and such.

    But when you become older and really can't work you'll find you'll really need and appreciate that small Social Security check every month and the Medicare Heathcare services.

    It's just like Unemployment Insurance no one really thinks about it until they lose their job and still have their bills & family sitting there while they look for work.

    Same with Worker Comp. When you get hurt or disabled at work where would you be without it... on the streets selling pencils?

    I like the moderate approach. Keep the social safety nets but work to keep people from abusing them. Case in point. Bill Clinton ended the way Welfare used to run. You could have one kid and basically stay on assistance until that child became an adult at 18. It was reduced to 3 years full benefits and then you had to go into job training to receive a check. That's moving in a good direction while not throwing people that need help out on the street.

    National Healthcare is a big subject right now because healthcare in America is basically a big monopoly between the healthcare system and the Insurance Companies. And if you have no insurance you go to the hospital (the most expensive care) and they still have to treat you for free... and that gets passed along to you and me anyway.

    So what I'm saying is if National Healthcare could stabilize the system and can be achieved without my personal out of pocket expense going up I wouldn't have any reason to have a problem with it.

    Maybe they'll find a completely different approach. One that gets the Hospitals & Drug companies and Insurance companies to offer less expensive care without nationalizing it.

    The point is there's a problem when Americans can't afford to go to the doctor and we need to try and find ways to fix it. There's a lot of stuff our government does that shields profits at the expense of it's own citizens. Like not allowing approved medications into this country just to ensure the profits of the Drug companies here at home. That's wrong. This isn't a new car... this is medicine. Medicine that people need to be able to afford.

    We can work these things out and find middle ground together. Even the longest journey starts with a single step. :)
     
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    Yawn....anyone got anything on real issues?
     
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    Don’t forget, His own party hates his freaking guts! 73 percent of all republicans are disgusted with him as the candidate. I am not sure who has the better plan, but I am ok with them disagreeing on it.

    I like the style of Honoring Military service men and women who have died on Memorial Day and all Veterans on Veterans Day. Obama’s speech (if he really does know the difference between the two days), was pandering for votes more than really honoring anyone. He keeps saying he is a “different kind of candidate” so I want to hold him to it.


    Yeah kind of but really it was the same last time and the time before. I can not think back to an election since I was old enough to vote that I was really jazzed up about any candidate. I could be pretty happy about Romney as a VP but to swallow down McCain just to get Romney makes me mad.



    I am not against all social programs. I DO NOT believe in abortion except in extreme and rare cases. So it would be hypocritical of me not to believe in some sort of funding like welfare to help the girls who end up keeping their kids. And in other social programs like the foster parent program. I am all for paying for programs like that, though I think they need an over haul, there is a lot of waste and corruption.

    I am also ok with paying for Social Security, even though I do not think the government has taken care of the money enough that it will be there for me when I retire. (Another program that needs an over haul.)


    I lost a job once. My boss said give some up or you are fired. I smiled and said fire me. So I went in to sign up for unemployment benefits and they said I had to wait a week. I got mad and left. Wait a week my butt! I had anther job 3 days later. It paid less but I had a job. I also could have sued for the sexual harassment but I do not believe in doing things like that. Someone on the boards has a really nice signature. It says something to the effect of “be the change you want to see” I think that thought all the time.

    Another example is because of my native background I was offered free schooling to become a teacher, and I turned it down. (I admit that was hard to do, a whole lot of money to turn down) but I really do not believe in affirmative action. And it would have said more about my character if I had taken the grant than it did about the liberals who “stole” the money from the tax payers to give me the grant.

    So, I am for some social programs, but I am not for the government being the answer to everything. I also think programs should succeed or fall by the will of the people paying for them, like Planned Parenthood. I am spittin mad that they make me pay to help kill babies.

    Here is how it should be…

    An example: Everyone should pay a flat rate of taxes for roads, schools, police, fire, courts and basic government. But when it comes to social programs it should work like this. OK lets say I pay $1,700.00 a year for my portion of roads, schools, police, fire exc. But my obligation is $1,500.00 more dollars that year for other programs.

    I have some boxes I can check on my tax form. I want to support single mother program (welfare) and I want to support the foster parent program and medical help for people without coverage. And that is where my tax money goes for social programs. In this type of system a group like Planned Parenthood would make it because the people who believed in their program is paying for it.


    Yes, I was glad about welfare reform, but I think they need to reform a bit more.


    I like the thing you said about finding a different approach, but I can assure you if it is “free” people will abuse it. There are some who will go to the emergency room for every hang nail. If there is no cost, or the cost is to low, people will abuse it. It happens in my company a lot. And no one remembers nothing is free, it just might be free to you personally.
     
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    Well then I'm hoping that continues to be the case. :)

    I just think that it's splitting hairs over someone you already didn't care for. It's just a fact that Veterans Day honoring all Vets... and Memorial Day honoring deceased Vets is a pretty close thing no matter how you look at it.

    On trying to show you are with a certain group in an election cycle I can't think of anyone that doesn't do it. Hillary was probably drinking green beer and on St Patrick's Day. John McSame was probably doing his Scrooge imitations at the Christmas Party.

    This is nothing bad. I'd find it hard to believe if you said you didn't think Senator Obama has a place in his heart for fallen soldiers. He's at the event and I'm glad he was.


    Well see I could come up with several things to bash Romney about myself... but I'd try to keep it on issues not style. To each his (or her) own.

    Well hence the rub. The programs you think a relevant and important others may not and have preferences of their own. In a representative democracy or Republic there are going to be some things some people don't care for that others absolutely see as a necessity.


    Well that's all good but you must be aware that your circumstance is certainly not everyone's circumstance. I've known people in bad economic times that couldn't get anything over minimum wage quickly after making 5 times that. They could not support their family on that. They needed a little breathing room to job hunt. And they ended up finding something that only cut their pay by a third after 2 or 3 months of searching.


    I don't see educational grants as stealing from anybody. I see them as a very smart and useful way to not only help people but help the overall economy, that then helps everybody else as well. Plus it strengthens our nation as a whole... we're overall smarter.

    We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.


    But that's not true. The Federal governments money that goes to planned parenthood is spent on contraception and sex education and sexually transmitted disease and a whole host of other sex related areas.

    Now they do also provide abortion services to women but those are paid for by the women themselves they are not free.

    It's like hating Walmart because they sell The Birth Control Pill even though they sell a million other things as well.



    I don't see it ever being that way though because it's an overall democracy issue. The majority sets the course.

    Let's just say this. If you're an alcoholic the FIRST STEP is admitting you have a problem. By HUGE numbers the American people believe there's a fundamental problem with our heathcare system. Let's see if there isn't something we can do to address the problem that we have just acknowledged having. :)
     
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    I wonder how long it'll be before we start seeing books full of "Obamaisms" and articles in Newsweek trying to figure out just which developmental disorder can account for his constant gaffes.
     
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    Late October I am hoping. There are a lot more than some are willing to admit. and a lot more than the media is willing to expose, and every dang one of them can be blamed on a staffer :p
     
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    I disagree, the difference is big. One day is to honor all Veterans for their service and one is to honor all who gave the ultimate price. The second is a much larger honor. It still comes down to either he did not know the difference, did not care about the difference or used a very special day for political gain. It’s really not about defending McCain or Bush who both gave very nice tributes to the fallen, as it is calling out Obama.


    Yes but no one would be funding what they think is frivolous, many republican projects would fall by the way, like the bridge to no where and I am sure other things I don’t even know about but if I did I would be spittin mad. I think the list would be larger with Dems since they are more big government, but lately maybe the list would be a lot closer since the new republicans are as big government as democrats.




    I should have been more specific on the unemployment. I am not against it but it is really abused. I have a lot of friends that worked at the cannery, they like the job because canning fruits and veggies is a seasonal job, they work a portion of the year then they get their unemployment benefits till the season starts up again. They could easily make the same money working somewhere else but why if they can get the check and fill a form out once a week.

    The job I ended up taking instead of doing the waiting week paid min wage and was still more than the unemployment benefits, when I ask others what they get paid from unemployment it usually is the check is about the same as min wage, but they think working for min wage is beneath them. I do not think me working for min wage to take care of myself so other tax payers do not have to take care of me is beneath me.

    But I am all for the program when used appropriately.


    It is just that I know poor white kids who could use the help as much as me, yet they do not get anything. And I do not like the stigma of people wondering did I succeed because the government gave me a hand out or because I pulled up my boot straps and decided I wanted a better life than the one I was born into. I do not know if you are a minority or not but when you are one and people have ask about any of your successes it is so irritating (at least for me) when I can read the faces of people who wonder if you did it on your own or did you get special treatment because of your minority status.



    If I pay your rent and buy your food monthly that sure leaves you a lot of extra money for beer. It is the same thing here. If the government is paying for their staff and building and education exc. They have more of their own money to do what they like to do most, give apportions. And no not everyone having one pays for it. Many get them free and none really pay full price. Did you not hear about the donors who called to want to donate money just to abort black babies? And the receptionist assured them that Yes you can! The whole program is horrid. I wish it had zero federal dollars and was taxed like a business.






    People using their tax money to pay for programs they approve of would work, I understand what you are saying, the majority rules. But don’t you agree we have to change the way things are done in Washington? YES WE CAN! Have hope! Don’t just accept politics as usual. See I am buying into some of the slogans too ;)

    Really we could if it was well thought out. At least the controversial issues like money that goes to planned parent hood, and on the right side, money that goes to religious schools. It could be done if we wanted to.
     
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    I myself look at the two days as being very close in nature. And I've never heard a Vet complain, and never will, about having any & all veterans on ones mind during either holiday.

    Senator Obama did nothing wrong and I'm glad he showed up at the event and spoke.



    Unemployment benefits last only for a short period of time regardless. You don't penalize good hard working people with families to support that want a good job while they are searching... just because there are some that max out the time period.


    Again we often get back to just you. You may be able to live on minimum wage and others may need to spend all their time looking for a job more comparable to what they lost right away. It's a mistake to judge everything in life to "how it would affect just me alone".

    No I'm a White 51 year old male. I think that the education grants are one of the best things money can go to myself. It brings people into the work force at higher wages which increases tax revenue and it makes us collectively smarter as a country.

    When you say outrageous things like this you must know that you lose all credibility when you don't POST THE LINK in some attempt to document your assertion.

    And even regardless of that... the operative word in your own post is DONATE! Saying Planned Parenthood is horrid... is horrid. Planned Parenthood allows women affordable access to birth control, sex education, STD prevention & treatment... and a whole host of very good and valuable things women need. I'm speaking as a Dad of two daughters age 28 and 21 years old.

    And furthermore if God forbid either one of my girls decided to have an abortion I sure as heck would want them to be able to obtain a legal, sterile, safe medical procedure. Although like I've already stated those services are at cost to the patient and not Federally funded.
     
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    Here is the link. I never know when people want a link or not, but here is one. The man is pro life and to prove how horrible planned parenthood is, they called and taped the calls to various planned parenthoods asking to donate to abort only black babies, and planned parenthood was happy to help. It was all over the news, but probably not the news you watch *sheepish grin*

    http://theconservativerevolution.co...renthood-accepts-money-to-abort-black-babies/


    http://www.google.com/search?source...arenthood+accepts+money+to+abort+black+babies

    here is just a google link to tons of other webpages on same topic, incase the first story I posted was not to your liking.
     
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