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Dumb & Dumber

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Greco, Nov 24, 2008.

  1. Greco

    Greco New Member

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    While time drags slowly towards the official start of the Obama presidency, the problems are not taking a holiday. Daily there are new chapters surfacing of the perilous waters flawed ideologies and failed policies have placed us in. As the curtain is pulled back even further, we’re gaining an inside look at the horrific price we’re faced with when incompetence rules and blind trust is the course de jour.

    The recent appearance before Congress from the three C.E.O.’s of our automobile giants was a dazzling display of rank ignorance. There they sat, side by side, asking for immediate financial help from our already over-extended government. For decades their industry fought against, usually successfully, mileage standards and safety standards that would have made them more competitive in today’s market. Now they need our immediate money to just have a change at survival.

    While these three top executives were in the driver’s seat when their respective companies raced into the ditch, they only followed the path of those that came before them. Their failure was in not recognizing the direction of the market and becoming advocates for change. That’s big, and the blame rests at their feet, but it didn’t happen overnight.

    Having made that point, what should be crystal clear is the incompetence they publicly displayed, as their company’s top executives, during their passionate plea for our money. They had no plan. They just had a dire scenario to unveil of what would happen if we didn’t give them our money. They presented no short-term, or long-term plan of what they would do with our money to save their companies, they just came to beg. That’s not just incompetence, it’s dazzling stupidity. It defies belief that they were so naïve they wouldn’t have recognized in advance that they need to present a detailed plan, but they didn’t. They were unprepared for the meeting and were sent home empty handed.

    There’s little doubt we’ll have to suck it up and come up with a plan to give their companies a chance to survive, but unlike all the other Bush-Paulson handouts, this time there must be conditions, terms, and a short leash attached. There’s little doubt these three companies need a change in leadership. This sounds trite, but it’s factual… common sense isn’t really all that common. These executives lack that attribute. It helped bring their companies to this point, and it’s essential that their replacements bring an inordinate level of it to their new assignment.

    In a sense, the automobile top executives are a mirror of what the top executive of our government has displayed over his two terms. That hasn’t worked out so swell either. January 20th sure seems like a long way off.
     
  2. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Everything worthwhile, is worth waiting-for.
     
  3. Dawkinsrocks

    Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    Bush will leave office to the same fanfare that greeted his arrival.

    None
     
  4. Sihouette

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    The plan is: they sell their companies to us and walk away with nothing.

    Let them go bankrupt and we take over the plants, provide jobs retooling them to be competitive and we decide what happens, the "plan" for our own money.

    Yes. And now why but why would a group of auto executives have fought tooth and nail to buck mileage standards especially? Hmmmm...which "cousin" industry to automobiles would hugely profit if fuel standards were kept low and inefficient....

    *Best imitation of SNL's "Church Lady"*

    "Hmmm....who could it be????? SATAN!!" :p

    Pretty much. Or Satan's little helper aka "Bigoil"...:cool: I swear to god the arrows point back to that monopoly every single time we find more bad news about our nation. That small cloister of super-rich profiteers have almost singlehandedly brought our nation to its knees. And the irony of ironies is that we are paying for their hostile corporate takeover of sovereign Iraq as they undermine us in a dozen different ways here at home. The auto industry the chief example of that over the last several decades.

    If those goddamned CEOs want a bailout they damn well better go right back to those a-holes they cut deals with years ago to "spread the wealth to a sacred few" and keep us non-competitive and ask THEM for a bailout. Yes. Those auto manufacturers can march right up to BigOil and ask them for the dinero. But of course why would BigOil then have the incentive to loan them the money?

    I think Congress should investigate BigOil's hand in bribing or otherwise coercing our auto manufacturers to destablize our economy and wreck their businesses for quick profits. I think once that evidence is found, Congress should put a stay on BigOil profits this quarter and quarters to come? and shunt that money over to retooling the auto industry. Teach them once and for all that bribery, coercion to a nation's detriment (they had reasonable belief to know the pickle we're in today was coming and when) in order to fatten their bank accounts is ILLEGAL, or should be...and penalties should be levied. One of which is to restabilize the auto industry.

    Make BigOil pay. They were behind this all the time..
     
  5. Lagboltz

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    The government is deep in debt. They sacrificed long term prosperity for short term gain.
    Many industries have folded. They sacrificed long term prosperity for short term gain.
    Citizens have very little savings. They sacrificed long term prosperity for short term gain.

    I'm beginning to see a pattern.
     
  6. Sihouette

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    If "the big three" want a bailout, let them march right back to the purpetrators of their demise: BigOil and its power$ to coerce people to their own demi$e.

    Its as if all these fatcats know they're carving up the common man's future in some sort of final orgy of ca$h and wealth consumption. Glady they put the yoke around our necks and ask for more just for kicks... I'm thinking they're going to test how far they can push the Treasury until it breaks and there is nothing left of our country at all.

    What the heck. They've all got Swiss bank accounts and manors in foreign countries where they'll eat caviar and kobe beef on sterling platters until their final days while you and I will be lucky if there's a spare box of mac n cheese in the cupboard...providing we even have a house that a cupboard would be in..

    Maybe we can fish it out of our glovebox and cook it over a fire we made out of old tires burning.
     
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    Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    Indeed.

    As Bush once said in a speech, he is for the haves and the have yachts.

    But I suppose we should thank Bush for starting the end of the American Empire having sold the country to China.

    How ironic is that?

    A hundred years of anti-communist propaganda that has been used to spend trillions on weapons and to kill people all over the world and Bush the nazi had to go cap in hand to the communists to bail the US out.

    It would be hard not to laugh if he hadn't destroyed the lives of so many en route.
     
  8. Mr. Shaman

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    Lemme guess.....you're one o' those folks who also favored privatization of Social Security, right.....investing retirement-buck$ in the stock-market....right? :rolleyes:

    Maybe you have an Engineering-degree no one else knows about....you know...seeing-as-how you're ready to take over the plants. :rolleyes:
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Yeah....it's called The Yuppie Di$ea$e.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Yeah.....we wouldn't want to blame the "conservatives'" spending-habits. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Ah, yes......the perk$ of being a BU$H!!!!!!
     
  12. Dawkinsrocks

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    Complete failure to stop his buddies spending all night in the casino whilst his other buddies spend the national debt killing people to steal their oil.

    Nope Bush is not responsible for any of that.

    In fact he is only responsible for the good that happened on his watch.

    A bit like god really.

    So let's be fair and count up the good things Bush has done.

    Right, now we have done that let's look at the balance.

    Oh dear.
     
  13. Sihouette

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    Didn't take long at all except for that last bit.. :p
     
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