Even With All Of The "Corrections"

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Because of all the corrections, temperature is still rising....let me know when the climate even approaches the boundaries of natural variability...

To date, science doesn't have the first shred of observed, measured, quantified evidence supporting the anthropogenic component of the AGW hypothesis.
 
To date, science doesn't have the first shred of observed, measured, quantified evidence supporting the anthropogenic component of the AGW hypothesis.

That doesn't mean however that we should stop practices founded on stopping climate change, like recycling, industrial regulations and anti-polution technology implementation. Because even if we don't promote global warming, reckless unregulated economies also tend to release lots of lethal and carcinogenic waste.
The simplest example of a generalised regulation is car filters: car filters don't just filter out the greenhouse gasses, but also many harmful fumes that people -especially children- are not supposed to breathe in at all, not just avoid frequent exposure.
The climate warming hypothesis gave the start for many reforms including those regarding civilian safety and 1st matter recycling (our resources are not infinite).

People who advocate that global warming is false, get me coming up with a lot of questions:
What are the implications of convincing everyone that global warming was a fluke? What's the endgame? Is it that we need to change regulations that were passed among global warming laws? How does that affect us as people, civilians who eat and breathe in the same world that we pollute?

In short, say that the whole world suddenly is convinced that global warming is a fluke, what do you think happens next?
 
Because of all the corrections, temperature is still rising....let me know when the climate even approaches the boundaries of natural variability...

To date, science doesn't have the first shred of observed, measured, quantified evidence supporting the anthropogenic component of the AGW hypothesis.


Well, none you would accept anyway. Do you honestly think that the CO2, and other pollutants created by man, are having no effect on the environment, or on the climate?

http://www.tropical-rainforest-animals.com/Environmental-Pollution.html

"Perhaps the overriding theme of these definitions is the ability of the environment to absorb and adapt to changes brought about by human activities.

In one word, environmental pollution takes place when the environment cannot process and neutralize harmful by-products of human activities (for example, poisonous gas emissions) in due course without any structural or functional damage to its system.

In fact, “the due course” itself may last many years during which the nature will attempt to decompose the pollutants; in one of the worst cases – that of radioactive pollutants – it may take as long as thousands of years for the decomposition of such pollutants to be completed.

Pollution occurs, on the one hand, because the natural environment does not know how to decompose the unnaturally generated elements (i.e., anthropogenic pollutants), and, on the other, there is a lack of knowledge on the part of humans on how to decompose these pollutants artificially.

Why does pollution matter?

It matters first and foremost because it has negative impacts on crucial environmental services such as provision of clean air and clean water (and many others) without which life on Earth as we know it would not exist."
 
Why does pollution matter?

The exempt you posted was very clear, but to make it even more simple: It's basic housekeeping, like taking care of your extended home. Because no matter how suburbanly lavishly one lives, or the height of the altitude or the country and neighborhood, in the end we all live on the same planet, breathe the same air and ingest the same poison.
Unless someone manages to make a full-quarantine bunker and live there for the rest of their lives, they will be exposed whether they realise it or not.
 
That doesn't mean however that we should stop practices founded on stopping climate change, like recycling, industrial regulations and anti-polution technology implementation. Because even if we don't promote global warming, reckless unregulated economies also tend to release lots of lethal and carcinogenic waste.

Two entirely different topics....pollution, improper land use, waste, etc are something that we can and should be addressing...but won't so long as the climate change scam is sucking all of the air from the room and the treasure from the coffers.

People who advocate that global warming is false, get me coming up with a lot of questions:

People who that man is altering the global climate have me asking more..

What are the implications of convincing everyone that global warming was a fluke? What's the endgame? Is it that we need to change regulations that were passed among global warming laws? How does that affect us as people, civilians who eat and breathe in the same world that we pollute?

Pollution is an entirely different topic...CO2 is not a pollutant.
 
Well, none you would accept anyway. Do you honestly think that the CO2, and other pollutants created by man, are having no effect on the environment, or on the climate?

CO2 is not a pollutant. As I said, you are conflating man made climate change with pollution...one is a problem that should be dealt with...the other is politicized pseudoscience out for money and power. Money.....thousands of billions of dollars are being wasted on climate pseudoscience that could be targeted at actual environmental problems...instead the money is being flushed....CO2 is not a problem and never will be.

As I have said...there is not one shred of observed, measured, quantified evidence gathered from the observable, measurable, quantifiable atmosphere that supports the claim that man is altering the global climate.
 
The exempt you posted was very clear, but to make it even more simple: It's basic housekeeping, like taking care of your extended home. Because no matter how suburbanly lavishly one lives, or the height of the altitude or the country and neighborhood, in the end we all live on the same planet, breathe the same air and ingest the same poison.
Unless someone manages to make a full-quarantine bunker and live there for the rest of their lives, they will be exposed whether they realise it or not.

CO2 is not a pollutant...never has been...never will be... It is somewhat surprising that someone who is actually concerned about the environment, or at least claims to be would be fine with thousands of billions of dollars being wasted on climate pseudoscience which could be put to good use in actually addressing real environmental issues. Conflating the CAGW scam with actual pollution is hardly helpful and only encourages more spending on climate pseudoscience when the money is desperately needed in areas of real concern.
 
CO2 is not a pollutant...never has been...never will be... It is somewhat surprising that someone who is actually concerned about the environment, or at least claims to be would be fine with thousands of billions of dollars being wasted on climate pseudoscience which could be put to good use in actually addressing real environmental issues. Conflating the CAGW scam with actual pollution is hardly helpful and only encourages more spending on climate pseudoscience when the money is desperately needed in areas of real concern.


Get real fool, you would do nothing to clean up the atmopsphere, and probably do nothing to clean up your own toilet:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-worst-climate-pollution-is-carbon-dioxide/
 
Get real fool, you would do nothing to clean up the atmopsphere, and probably do nothing to clean up your own toilet:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-worst-climate-pollution-is-carbon-dioxide/

Again, CO2 is not a pollutant...but do feel free to provide any actual observed, measured, quantified evidence proving otherwise....opinion pieces certainly don't qualify. Lets see some actual evidence. Your exhalation is around 40,000ppm and certainly does you no harm...we breathe in 40,000ppm to victims needing CPR and it doesn't kill them, CO2 monitoring systems on submarines don't sound an alarm till CO2 reaches 8000ppm which is higher than natural CO2 levels have been on earth in over 500 million years...but again, do feel free to provide any evidence that CO2, especially at levels under 8000ppm is a pollutant..

You truly will believe anything won't you...the first claim in your idiot article that is not backed up by any actual observed, measured, quantified evidence is that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming....there certainly wasn't anything like actual evidence in your opinion piece.

The second claim not backed up by any actual evidence and in fact, directly contradicted by numerous peer reviewed studies is that CO2 has a long residence time in the atmosphere. Of the 37 peer reviewed studies below, only 6 find that CO2 resides in the atmosphere for more than a decade....and two, one from 1957 and the steaming pile from the IPCC say more than 2 decades...and your idiot paper claims that it "might" hang around for centuries....here is a clue for you leftie...just because someone you trust says a thing, and just because the name is scientific anything does not mean that it is true.

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Again, CO2 is not a pollutant...but do feel free to provide any actual observed, measured, quantified evidence proving otherwise....opinion pieces certainly don't qualify. Lets see some actual evidence. Your exhalation is around 40,000ppm and certainly does you no harm...we breathe in 40,000ppm to victims needing CPR and it doesn't kill them, CO2 monitoring systems on submarines don't sound an alarm till CO2 reaches 8000ppm which is higher than natural CO2 levels have been on earth in over 500 million years...but again, do feel free to provide any evidence that CO2, especially at levels under 8000ppm is a pollutant..

You truly will believe anything won't you...the first claim in your idiot article that is not backed up by any actual observed, measured, quantified evidence is that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming....there certainly wasn't anything like actual evidence in your opinion piece.

The second claim not backed up by any actual evidence and in fact, directly contradicted by numerous peer reviewed studies is that CO2 has a long residence time in the atmosphere. Of the 37 peer reviewed studies below, only 6 find that CO2 resides in the atmosphere for more than a decade....and two, one from 1957 and the steaming pile from the IPCC say more than 2 decades...and your idiot paper claims that it "might" hang around for centuries....here is a clue for you leftie...just because someone you trust says a thing, and just because the name is scientific anything does not mean that it is true.

And yet, excessive CO2 kills, and is killing even today:

https://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds-81/Intro/facts-sheet/GasKillingTrees.html

"After drought and insect infestations were eliminated as causes, a geologic explanation was suspected. USGS scientists then made measurements and discovered that the roots of the trees were being killed by exceptionally high concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) gas in the soil. Today, areas of dead and dying trees at Mammoth Mountain total more than 100 acres. The town of Mammoth Lakes, just east of this volcano, has not been affected."

http://www.livescience.com/38219-oceans-acidifying-with-rising-co2.html

"For the first time in human history, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have risen above 400 parts per million (ppm) of carbon dioxide at the historic Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii. This observatory is where Scripps Institution of Oceanography researcher Charles David Keeling created the “Keeling Curve,” a famous graph showing that atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations have been increasing rapidly in the atmosphere for decades.


Carbon dioxide levels were around 280 ppm before the Industrial Revolution, when humans began releasing large amounts of the gas into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels. On May 9, 2013, the reading was an alarming 400.08 ppm for a 24-hour period. This number would be even higher, however, if it were not for the help of the oceans. [Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Breaks 3-Million-Year Record]

Scientists already see ocean acidification harming marine animals like oysters, mussels and clams as well as coral reefs and floating marine snails called pteropods, dubbed the “potato chips of the sea” because of their significance to marine food webs. In the last decade, ocean acidification killed many oyster larvae at the Whisky Creek oyster hatchery in Oregon, shrunk the shells of pteropods in the Southern Ocean and slowed coral growth on Australia’s Great Barrier Reef."

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Increasing-Carbon-Dioxide-is-not-good-for-plants.html

"An argument, made by those who deny man made Global Warming, is that the Carbon Dioxide that is being released by the burning of fossil fuels is actually good for the environment. Their argument is based on the logic that, if plants need CO2 for their growth, then more of it should be better. We should expect our crops to become more abundant and our flowers to grow taller and bloom brighter.

However, this "more is better" philosophy is not the way things work in the real world. There is an older, wiser saying that goes, "Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing." For example, if a doctor tells you to take one pill of a certain medicine, taking four is not likely to heal you four times faster or make you four times better. It's more likely to make you sick.

It is possible to help increase the growth of some plants with extra CO2, under controlled conditions, inside of greenhouses. It is based on this that 'skeptics' make their claims. However, such claims are simplistic. They fail to take into account that once you increase one substance that plants need, you automatically increase their requirements for other substances. It also fails to take into account that a warmer earth will have an increase in deserts and other arid lands which would reduce the area available for crops.

Plants cannot live on CO2 alone. They get their bulk from more solid substances like water and organic matter. This organic matter comes from decomposing plants and animals or from man made fertilizers. It is a simple task to increase water and fertilizer and protect against insects in an enclosed greenhouse but what about doing it in the open air, throughout the entire Earth?"
 
And yet, excessive CO2 kills, and is killing even today:

https://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds-81/Intro/facts-sheet/GasKillingTrees.html

CO2 and not the sulfur dioxide that is also seeping up?....and what are exceptionally high levels...no indication that I saw...500,000ppm perhaps? In either case, it has nothing to do with normal levels of CO2 up to and including 7000ppm. More alarmist claptrap.

http://www.livescience.com/38219-oceans-acidifying-with-rising-co2.html

"For the first time in human history, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have risen above 400 parts per million (ppm) of carbon dioxide at the historic Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii. This observatory is where Scripps Institution of Oceanography researcher Charles David Keeling created the “Keeling Curve,” a famous graph showing that atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations have been increasing rapidly in the atmosphere for decades.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that we would monitor atmospheric CO2 from the top of an active volcano? And relative to earth history...even just prior to the ice age that the earth is still exiting CO2 levels were over 1000ppm....the fact is that the atmosphere is positively CO2 starved....

Carbon dioxide levels were around 280 ppm before the Industrial Revolution, when humans began releasing large amounts of the gas into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels. On May 9, 2013, the reading was an alarming 400.08 ppm for a 24-hour period. This number would be even higher, however, if it were not for the help of the oceans. [Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Breaks 3-Million-Year Record]

First refer to ice cores...every one tells us that CO2 follows warming...it is a result, not a cause...second refer to henry's law...as the oceans warm, they outgas CO2...Considering that the earth has decended into ice ages with atmospheric CO2 levels in excess of 1000ppm and even more, and for most of earth's history atmospheric CO2 has been in excess of 2000ppm, what exactly is "alarming" about 400ppm...you just gobble up any alarmist BS you are fed, don't you?

Scientists already see ocean acidification harming marine animals like oysters, mussels and clams as well as coral reefs and floating marine snails called pteropods, dubbed the “potato chips of the sea” because of their significance to marine food webs. In the last decade, ocean acidification killed many oyster larvae at the Whisky Creek oyster hatchery in Oregon, shrunk the shells of pteropods in the Southern Ocean and slowed coral growth on Australia’s Great Barrier Reef."

Sorry...bullshit...all "damage" observed as a result of acidification are performed in labs with CO2 levels higher than are possible in nature... In short...everything you post is baseless alarmism...not supported by any observed, measured, quantified evidence gathered out in the real world....but then, what else could one expect from a leftie?
 
CO2 is not a pollutant

CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas, that's basic knowledge. Gasses like methane, CFCs, low-altitude concentrations of ozone and Nitrous oxide are also greenhouse gasses that happen to be harmful to the human respiratory system. CO2 is a puppy compared to these guys. The only reason it's more popular than the other ones is that is was easier to explain to people during climate change sessions.

Source on gasses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas#Greenhouse_gases
and https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/10/021010065923.htm

Source on methane's effects: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-bad-of-a-greenhouse-gas-is-methane/

So no I wasn't referring to CO2 as a poluting gas, I was thinking about the other ones. Climate change is not entirely dependent on CO2. Many cities like LA and Beijing have created localised greenhouse effects by vehicle emissions of ozone and methane. Methane smog is what creates that particular yellowish tint in the skyline of these cities. There are planets out there like Uranus, whose atmosphere of ethane, methane and acetyline keep the planet warm via greenhouse effect despite its staggering distance from the Sun.

Source on Beijing's emissions: http://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...ses-dont-seem-to-trouble-most-of-its-citizens
Source on Uranus: http://www.universetoday.com/35796/atmosphere-of-the-planets/

And it's not just China, please consider that one of the reasons we have an increase of methane in the US part of the atmosphere is because of fracking...which also happens to produce a lot of lethal waste when not regulated properly (see Luisiana oil fracking scandals)

Source on US emissions: http://www.theguardian.com/environm...l-spike-in-methane-emissions-over-last-decade
 
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CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas, that's basic knowledge. Gasses like methane, CFCs, low-altitude concentrations of ozone and Nitrous oxide are also greenhouse gasses that happen to be harmful to the human respiratory system. CO2 is a puppy compared to these guys. The only reason it's more popular than the other ones is that is was easier to explain to people during climate change sessions.

There is not the first bit of observed, measured, quantified evidence that CO2 has any effect on the climate whatsoever....as to the actual pollutants...they won't be addressed so long as the climate change scam is sucking all of the air out of the room and all of the treasure out of the coffers...what could have been done with the thousands of billions that have been wasted on climate change?


Note that in your article, there is not the first bit of evidence that methane has any effect on the climate either....it is all supposition....chock full of words weasel words in lieu of actual evidence..potential...may....could....according to various sources who also have no observed, measured, quantified evidence...such is the style of climate writing... Unfortunately, critical thinking is no longer a skill taught in school so people read these things and believe them to be true and fact based...they aren't.

So no I wasn't referring to CO2 as a poluting gas, I was thinking about the other ones. Climate change is not entirely dependent on CO2.

Global climate change isn't dependent on any atmospheric gas....it is dependent on that great burning ball in the sky. Changes in the atmospheric gasses are the result of climate change...not the cause.

Many cities like LA and Beijing have created localised greenhouse effects by vehicle emissions of ozone and methane. Methane smog is what creates that particular yellowish tint in the skyline of these cities. There are planets out there like Uranus, whose atmosphere of ethane, methane and acetyline keep the planet warm via greenhouse effect despite its staggering distance from the Sun.

The temperature of Uranus is due to the fact that the atmospheric pressure is 1000 times greater than the earth, not a greenhouse effect....if our own atmosphere were 1000 times heavier, the temperature here would be hot enough to melt lead...If you move up in the atmosphere of planets like uranus, and venus whose atmospheres are composed largely of so called greenhouse gasses to a point where the atmospheric pressure is equal to the earth and compensate for the difference in incoming solar radiation, the temperature is almost the same as earth...the greenhouse hypothesis can't even predict the temperature here on earth without a fudge factor...and it doesn't even come close to predicting the temperature of other planets...the greenhouse hypothesis is bad science.


You are conflating climate change with pollution....one is a real problem that can be addressed and progress made toward a solution..the other is politicized pseudoscience aimed at gaining money and power.

And it's not just China, please consider that one of the reasons we have an increase of methane in the US part of the atmosphere is because of fracking...which also happens to produce a lot of lethal waste when not regulated properly (see Luisiana oil fracking scandals)[;/quote]

We have been fracking since the 1940's with none of the ill effects that the hand waving crazies are predicting now....they flit from one topic to another trying to get something to stick...the environment isn't their issue...hatred of capitalism is.
 
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